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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 8:48pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
gregyboy:Don't waste your time with this people. They are jokers and manufacturers of history. This banter can continue forever, they'll keep being comical. Every damn thing they call history are simply comedy of errors. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 9:05pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:Moneywomen17 and davidosaz both of u are right to an extent but the problem is dat both of u says story out of of pride hatred and ethnocentrism which definitely would hinder a simple story...lets be realistic when we tell stories lets add philosphy instead of fairytales to our reasoning .to my understanding .benin name lagos eko which means war camp ...i believe they sort the need of conquering that why the ventured into lagos and then the oba was not a palace king but a warrior king so when he and his men was in lagos i believe they settled in lagos hiland which they attacked the aworis and establish controll over them few benin pple stayed behind to govern them both the duke who served as the new ruler and some other edo people but with time as we know yoruba influence and thier pop subdue the edos there leaving them adopting Yoruba culture |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moorish: 9:41pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
2 things Proximity to caravan trade routes Coastal contact with Europeans Without those two things all the african kingdoms were practically thesame |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:22pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
Olu317:U call moneywoman “my dear”.. is this moneywoman person a man, woman or transgender? You yorubas are weird, gays and transgender Na normal for una.. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:23pm On Jun 23, 2018 |
Moorish:All kingdoms become powerful through economic and military.. before contact with Europeans all African kingdoms were not the same.. Benin was powerful economically and military.. the others were just there. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moorish: 12:51am On Jun 24, 2018 |
davidnazee:I do know the Portuguese were impressed with Benin city’s layout, but I dont know about military and economy of Benin before Portuguese contact But generally a lot of kingdoms in the Sahel became formidable due to proximity to the caravan trade Also coastal states traded with Europeans, obtained guns and were able to raid and defeat kingdoms in the hinterland who did not have direct contact with Europeans |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by ivanG07(m): 5:41am On Jun 24, 2018 |
chrisbaxtian:thanks my brother,pls help me remind the stupid idiot that no one insult oba of benin and go free,that the curse is upon him allready as his wish. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by ivanG07(m): 5:54am On Jun 24, 2018 |
NwaAmaikpe:as that is what you choose instead of blessing,the meaning of that curse has enter your lineage but bless is the ones before you. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 7:37am On Jun 24, 2018*. Modified: 7:56am On Jun 24, 2018 |
gregyboy:see a dumbass like u. U want to see the dead head of an oba buried like long time ago in ife. Well if u will like to see such I will advise u to travel to ife and ask the king and the priest their in ife to take u to the place where the head are buried and tell them to dig it up so that u can take some pictures. U are a big dumbass that act like this is not Africa. If u can not go to ife go to the place of ur king and interview and ask him wat he saw in the orun oba ado when he came to ife to visit and why u are in ur king palace tell him to also show u the king that wasn’t buried in ife instead when it was stopped am sure u will have lot of pictures to share with us. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 7:49am On Jun 24, 2018 |
gregyboy:trash trash trash. Awori never denied they invited a Benin prince to be their king. That’s what their oral history says not that Benin came and conquer their land and that’s why oba of Lagos has no land in Lagos the land are owned by the Yoruba idejo chiefs. How can u conquer a people without owning the land and with the birth of ologun kuture the Benin rule dynasty ended and Yoruba dynasty started till today every single king has been direct descendant of ologun kuture. Now I keep posting historical document regarding the ownership of Lagos and the demographics of Lagos and it doesn’t show any edo Cuz there wasn’t. The people, the culture, and language met in Lagos was Yoruba and still Yoruba and the British recorded it accordingly now ur brother osaz will like to disprove this with story from supposed certain “real lagosian” who are pseudo historians spewing jargons in this modern day and he choose ajayi bembe as his ultimate source so I posted other interview of the same “real lagosian” that contradicts ajayi. If the reason he used ajayi as reference was that he was a “real lagosian” there are plenty of other “real lagosian” that’s says something else meanwhile my ultimate source has always been this below written when the British came to Lagos and recorded the people they met on ground just like they have done in other places in Africa.
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 7:54am On Jun 24, 2018 |
steveosaz:says the person who says an interview from one ajayi bembe which was just oral with no source is a more peer reviewed source than one written hundreds of years ago with great detail. If u are given a research and ur teacher ask u osaz use a peer reviewed source regarding the demographics history of Lagos u will present ajayi interview instead of this historical document below hmm. Is that what u will do.
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 8:22am On Jun 24, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:Get the hell off my lane and stop replying to my comments. You are deluded and I said I don't want to engage you any further. Keep up with your delusion and illusions. You certainly enjoy mental relief from that. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 2:14pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:Calm down moneywomen17 ur stories baffles me .u will just form stories to sweetened ur mind or ur ego... Even the lagos king says he his from the benin royal line you're disputing the fact....for godsake eko had no means of writting nor were even united at that time to keep a valid oral history benin which had a means of document said thier part you disputed it ...i really wonder how u all tell ur stories like u were there or it was written you tell stories of how the war started during the fight and after the fight like you ure there ....the eko indigine leaved in fragmented settlement so i wonder who are they u speak of ...nevertheless are they proves they invited benins to thier lands who are the people they sent who did they meet at least benin would have documented that a certain people came to seek for a ruler ....and what was the reason they left thier people to seek for a ruler far away thier land and why didnt dey just go for Ogun state to seek for a ruler which was closeby ...this are the questions you ask your self before spilling whatever garbage they give you as a story ....are u educated moneywomen17 because not everyone who speaks English or write is educated or enlightened if not you wont co.e to say this trash here ...just like i tell you am dangote son even when everyday i ask you to lend me money u still believe i am...is dat wise Now i wanna ask you a question because u seem to ignore logic in ur reasoning rather fairytales.. If spanish comes to nigeria and see we speaking english does it connate we are british or we nigerians speaking pidgin does it mean we are the same ethnic group if the british saw all yorubas speaking people in lagos can't u use ur sense to know that its probably because the edos who were not notice have been yorubanized through time....i rest my case with you u can never rule this country ur tribalism nd ignorance is high |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 5:42pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
gregyboy:Thank you bro for a very enlightening piece. I have asked them same question before when they said Aworis invited Benin. Why would the Aworis bypass all the Yorubas kingdoms and come to Benin? Even if it is true that Aworis came to Benin for help then doesn’t that proves Benin was a mightier, more powerful kingdom than all the Yorubas kingdoms and the Aworis must have seen Benin conquer and ruling over Yoruba lands hence it came to Benin for help. The problem with the Yorubas is that no matter how much they lie and twist the truth their stories will always work against them and show that Benin was more powerful than Yoruba and ruled over the Yorubas. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 8:47pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
davidnazee:They always work with reverse logic. Its practically their stock in trade. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 10:08pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
davidnazee:I chhosed to work in a tribaless lane ...i would rather apply logic in reasoning than apply fairytales ... If we can hard philosophy in our reasoning on history and removing tribalism history will be told well the yorubas are ashamed benin gave them ooni the benins are ashamed to admit yorubas taught them art...“if truth is better dont try lies it has patch holes” |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:21pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
gregyboy:shut up there ur logic will stand if ur Benin village didn’t come all the way from ur side to request for prince in ife to be ur king the story I told u right there can be googled that’s was the oral story told by the awori especially the idejo chief not me. U said eko has no means of writing tell me does Benin also have any means of writing to be an authority. Benin tells an oral story of subjugation awori says otherwise. U speak of language when the British got to to the sokoto caliphate they knew there were two set of people there the ruling class which were Fulani and the masses which were Hausa. Both the rulers and Hausa all spoke Hausa in that instance why didn’t the British called of them Hausa cuz the Fulani has been “Hausanized” the British didn’t just come and jot some things down and left like that Lagos was their colony for close to 100 years which they had a British governor who worked hand in hand with the ruling class and a lot of British citizen also lives in the same Lagos with first hand experience of what they were talking about. And u expect me to believe Benin oral story better than a good authority of the land who ruled and wrote than everything at the same time period regarding the land. Akiolu is from a Benin royal lineage only maternally his paternal is ologun kuture whose father is alagba from ijesha a Yoruba. Now u ask me is there any prove awori invited a Benin prince to rule them yes cuz there is Benin blood in the Lagos throne now tell me is there any prove that Benin fought the awori and subjugated them, tell me the name of the war and the general that fought on both side since u want to argue with logic. What means of documentation did u mean Benin have I want to know. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:23pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
davidnazee:ur people came all the way from ur village to request king in ife remember that before u continue spewing trash. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:26pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
steveosaz:yes deluded to take the authority of a British document over an oral interview by a guy called bembe cuz na “real lagosian” |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 10:38pm On Jun 24, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:Ure beyound repair.... U gave an instance of hausa and Fulani's just imagine even a blind man can differentiate a Fulani man from hausa....physically looking both looks diff they are some part of fulanis in nigeria that are completely white you would even doubt if they Nigerian but the hausas are just completely like other west African look or nigerian look the hausas kept thier language even thier custom it was so essy to differentiate the hausas from the fulanis also the pop of the hausas were more than the Fulani's ... And you said tha“t what the oral history says” and so what can't use common sense to destest a folklore .again benin didnt write im words but in art ...the only evidence i have told you is the benin word for camp is eko and the pple who fought the war was oba of benin and his mhen u can't tell me to tell you thier names except u want me to lie |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 11:20am On Jun 25, 2018 |
gregyboy:am not “beyond repair” but u are very dumb. U made an instance regarding language and how cuz yoruba was spoken in Lagos they assume everybody was now I corrected such with the sokoto caliphate with the same scenario now u deflect to look shouldn’t the British just assume cuz they all spoke Hausa practice Islam and Hausa culture they are all Hausa just like they did Yoruba in Lagos according to u and what does Hausa being more than Fulani has to do with the logic of the topic, u said that in Lagos the Benin conquer the larger awori and assimilate into their culture and that’s exactly what Fulani did they were small minority with help of some Hausa soldier displace the larger Hausa leader and became the emir so the Fulani were the ruling class and Hausa the masses and they all spoke Hausa and Hausa culture practiced but still the Fulani made themselves known who they are when British came. The Britishh didn’t just come to Lagos spent some few months and went back to England they spent close to a century(98 years) here if there was any difference regarding the demographics of Lagos it would have been writing down by the English or why the Bleep did the edo in Lagos not make their presence apparent to the English just like the Fulani did if they were indeed the owner and ruler of the land that’s logic like U wanted. So awori oral history saying they invited and made a Benin man their king is folklore but Benin oral history that’s says the conquer awori without any proof too is the absolute fact that’s ur logic greg. Now u said Benin wrote in art I will take that can u present an art that shows that Benin conquer Lagos cuz awori themselves have their own “art” in Lagos. How is this “Benin word eko” means they conquer the place and are u saying it was oba Benin himself that lead the war into Lagos I mean how do u not know the warrior that lead a war to the place u claimed u conquer. Now that am done replying what u wrote up there I have one question for u in Lagos island between oba akiolu and the idejo white cap chief who owns the land in Lagos island among the two |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Ashiru97(m): 9:50pm On Jun 25, 2018*. Modified: 11:43pm On Oct 07, 2019 |
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:10pm On Jun 25, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:Hmm...ure a tribebalist simple ....i would prove it... Firstly pop ratio has to be consider on bth side before u jumb on conclusion u dont know if d yorubas was way higer than edo pop... Now u said britsh could distinguish btw Hausa- fulani this is because the proportion of hausas to fulani is a little difference so both could keep thier self identity... Unlike the edos who were not much in lagos the pop of yoruba to edos was 80:1 it was easy for d yoruvas to easily assimilate the edo pple ...the edos who stayed bck in lagis and other kingdoms under benins was mostly the duke and his wives with military guards The oba of lagos claims from a benin stool but u said they ended the edo monarchy rule now u wanna compare the oba with other kings in lagos for ur selfish reasons ... Do u even know how the world oba of Lagos come from i bet u dont know u wouldn't have quoted this rubbish lemme skul u again ...during the British arrival in lagos the meant the oba of lagos they asked him is title which he said eleko of eko which dey couldn't pronuce he also told them his origin his from benin that he pays homage to oba of benin ...since d british couldn't pronuce d eleko of eko they decided to call him oba of Lagos since his genealogy is from benin.. So you saying the British wasnt aware of edos in lsgos is you been blind because when the britsh invaded lagos one of d king brother came to benin for refuge and the britsh not noting the edos in lagos was ignorance on thier sides |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:35pm On Jun 25, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:How did the news of d ooni showing oba of benin is ancestral home come out to d public but the prove has not yet been seen Why did the oba stop send an oba head to ife for burial if it was more stressfull then in d olds but they still carried it out now which is more easier is not done again.... U blab too much u believe on fairytale go act movies i see no reasin oba performs all traditional rite and exclude one ....if he did he was because he realized they shld be d one sending thier kings entire bodies to edo for burial if the story is even true...my problem with u is that you argue with no prove but u still argue with passion Like you have d prove ...how would u support ur tribe bcus dey said a world and u hvnt seen d prove youre a tribalst |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 3:42am On Jun 26, 2018 |
Ashiru97:Here is another piece of shitt produced in Yoruba country. His poor use of syntax clearly tells that he is a non achiever and his greatest achievement in life is being an impoverished Yoruba fool. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:01am On Jun 26, 2018 |
gregyboy:couldn’t understand a word of all the trash u wrote down all I understood was that I was a tribalist is that supposed to hurt me or what or do think am moved by ur victim cry. Ur people insult Yoruba and when Yoruba return the favor u scream tribalist and start crying. U are a big trubalust urself u are just a hypocrite. |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:41am On Jun 26, 2018*. Modified: 11:03am On Jun 26, 2018 |
gregyboy:first of all u were the one who claimed edo wasn’t notice cuz they were yorubanized and now u are claiming they were noticed that even the king told them he was from Benin I have always maintained Lagos was Yoruba land and it was recorded by British as so and it was not Benin land like ur brother claimed. Like I said greg u are extremely dumb and that’s the reason u can’t keep a straight line of thought u say one thing and in the next u contradict it once more. Now regarding u lies that the British couldn’t pronounce eleko of eko cuz it was too difficult can u provide any proof whatsoever regarding the statement I mean if eleko of eko is too hard I reckon the British might as well called him king of Lagos instead of oba of Lagos but if u provide a reliable source I will believe it and if the king already told them he is from Benin and Benin owns the land cuz they were the ruler same way the minority Fulani were the conqueror of the larger Hausa land why wasn’t it noted down by the English as Benin land instead of Yoruba land since they are now aware of the demographics according to u. U see u don’t think deep on one hand U already claim the edo were assimilated into the larger Yoruba and the British couldn’t distinguish them apart now once more u are claiming they were aware since the king told them he is a Benin man I reckon he would have told the British more regarding the demographics further and who owns what. Now second the oba of Lagos especially the one the British met with and sign treaty up till today are all descendants of ologun kuture and ologun kuture genealogy is only edo maternally from is mom erelu kuti his father is alagba from ijesha and in Africa u are ur father son and ever since ologun kuture became the fourth king only his descendants have ever been king in Lagos fact. Also can u tell me the name of the king brother that took refuge in Benin with a source to back up ur claim. Am aware of Kosoko that took refuge in epe with the help of the awujale of ijebu who is this king brother u mentioned. Ps u can screamed tribalist all u want doesn’t move me one bit and stop saying u want to skul me cuz u can’t give what U don’t have u need school urself a lot of it
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 10:48am On Jun 26, 2018 |
Ashiru97:they are pretty irrelevant but they are feeling big due to the fact that they say so many things with Yoruba giving them free reign and not giving a befitting reply to so many of the trash they spew so once in a while u have to cut them down to size so they realize they are indeed irrelevant |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 1:38pm On Jun 26, 2018 |
Moneywomen17:Hmm...regarding my previous comment dat the edos wasn't notice meaning thier culture were not notice and thier pop was not much to recong with....u shld use your head to think dat through ....must i explain it logically ahh...and i never claimed in all my comment with u dat lagos was an edo land but a benin territory but the part which was made camp by the edo is an edo land in lagos the rest may belong to the yorubas.. And again i gave u the best answer why the call him oba but yet u still want to reason fairytales again ....“wise boy” ok tell me king in english means ruler ,oba in benin also mean ruler so why would the britsh use thier own word for ruler for an africa king who trace its origin to a popular dynasty every where in the world has thier world for king “wise boy” king is for the britsh oba is for edo ... Lol wise boy u have started on fairytales again the britsh was the one who stoped oba of lagos from paying tribute to Benin this mean that whosoever was king when the British came mainted the duke lineage.... Ur just spilling jargons dat keture married edo woman like you were there.....logically speaking they wobt there to change d linage and put thiers for the fear of oba of benin this happened to owo in d 18c.... This is a link pls read with an open mind.... https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.edo-nation.net/beneko.htm&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjg0NHgpvHbAhWJbVAKHYWyBAgQFjAJegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3yGdXC26TfWB2ITMFhWtBV If u doubt d story feel free to argue with me...then we will reason it logically |
| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Ashiru97(m): 3:59pm On Jun 26, 2018*. Modified: 1:20pm On May 25, 2020 |
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Christistruth00: 6:03pm On Jun 26, 2018*. Modified: 12:10am On Jun 27, 2018 |
From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria on 31st March and 1st April 1937 Quoting last paragraph of first page: “The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western end and the Oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”
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| Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by steveosaz(m): 9:59pm On Jun 26, 2018 |
Ashiru97:You are a daft and shafty headed ignoramus. That you can even come online and shamelessly rationalize your mediocrity in the use of English(Nigeria's lingua franca) means you are indeed a dunce of irredeemable stature. Clearly explains why such an ignorant Jibe dropped from your stinking guts. You are one of the foul bastardz who bring disgrace to your tribe daily. |
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