Xbee007:

Nothing new.

The JF-17 Thunder was mentioned twice. However, there was no mention of A-29 Super Tucano.

http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/index.php/2018-approved-budget-details

Something FG already paid for with money from excess crude account, it can’t be in the budget.

Xbee007:

I thought the Federal Government was begging Senate to include it in the budget the other day?

They withdrew money from ECA and paid without approval from senate because U.S government gave us a deadline to pay. The A29 deal is in the bag.

20 Billion + for JF 17's mean we are getting more than 3 units or rather we just initiated payment for another batch of 3.

Xbee007:

Nothing new.

The JF-17 Thunder was mentioned twice. However, there was no mention of A-29 Super Tucano.

http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/index.php/2018-approved-budget-details

Nigerian army; RAYBIRDS-3 AUTONOMOUSLY PILOTED AERIAL SYSTEM
http://www.aardvarkclearmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/RAYBIRD-3-BROCHURE_Single_Pages.pdf


i wonder what A and B series vehicles are.

jakeporeshenko:
Nigerian army; RAYBIRDS-3 AUTONOMOUSLY PILOTED AERIAL SYSTEM
http://www.aardvarkclearmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/RAYBIRD-3-BROCHURE_Single_Pages.pdf


i wonder what A and B series vehicles are.

No price tag/amount was put on the drone section.

I have seen these defense budget before but I didn't pay much attention on these new assets.

bidexiii:


No price tag/amount was put on the drone section.

I have seen these defense budget before but I didn't pay much attention on these new assets.

They changed it a bit, you saw the proposal I think, this is the approved budget. Approved by the senate 6 months later

Xbee007:

Nothing new.

The JF-17 Thunder was mentioned twice. However, there was no mention of A-29 Super Tucano.

http://www.budgetoffice.gov.ng/index.php/2018-approved-budget-details

Thanks.

Let's see how things go, JF-17 been mentioned twice cannot be an error. However i have a problem with budgeting for an aircraft, yet we don't see this aircraft that we keep budgeting for.

jakeporeshenko:

They changed it a bit, you saw the proposal I think, this is the approved budget. Approved by the senate 6 months later

Okay.

Henry240:

Thanks.

Let's see how things go, JF-17 been mentioned twice cannot be an error. However i have a problem with budgeting for an aircraft, yet we don't see this aircraft that we keep budgeting for.

One thing that keeps my mind on rest, that the jf17 is a sure deal is that it appeared in the budget two consecutive years

That's not a mistake or error.

gabng:
a) More JF-17 Thunders
b) More Augusta Westland AW109 Power Helicopters
c) New PDM for 2 x Alpha Jets
d) New PDM for 1 x C-130H (NAF 918)

Nice

jakeporeshenko:
ministry of defence purchased Varta APC from ukraine
could it be to equip AFSF or AHQSG ?

why not go for the indigenous proforce ara?

Nigeria has started hiding defence Capital expenditures under DHQ again. Nice trick.
Another good trick is to look for capital budgeting under NSA office.
I suspect the Nigeria Army Raybirds UAVs ( or whatever) are already in country. They want to buy more this year and next that is why a new "project" sub-head was started.

jln115:

why not go for the indigenous proforce ara?

I have examined the photos of the Proforce factory and equipment. There are space and tooling limitations. Also, ARA is not frozen in design and development work though at advanced stage is still ongoing. If you see money for Ara in any budget, it is to make a prototype for more testing and refinement.

jln115:

why not go for the indigenous proforce ara?

Abii now.....

PRESS RELEASE

NIGERIAN ARMY DAY CELEBRATION 2018

1. The Nigerian Army will mark this year’s Nigerian Army Day Celebration (NADCEL) from 29 June - 7 July 2018 at Monguno Borno State. The theme of this year’s Army Day Celebration is “The Nigerian Army and National Security: A Panacea for Nigeria’s Economic Development”. The activities to mark the NADCEL 2018 will kick off on Friday 29th June 2018 with press conference by the Chief of Army Staff, Lieutenant General Tukur Yusufu Buratai at Maiduguri. Other activities to mark the celebration include Juma’at prayers on Friday 29th June 2018 at all the Nigerian Army formation headquarters nationwide and Inter-denominational Church Service on Sunday 1st July 2018 at all formations and units of the Army.

2. There will be a sanitation exercise on 30 June 2018 at Gudumbali and other selected locations in Borno State. Also, there will be free medical outreaches in some selected locations during the celebration. Similarly, the celebration will feature military equipment exhibition and mini trade fair at Monguno. The grand finale of NADCEL 2018 will be Chief of Army Staff’s address to troops and decoration of troops with medals.

3. You are please requested to disseminate this important information to the general public through your medium.

4. Thank you for your usual cooperation.

TEXAS CHUKWU
Brigadier General
Director Army Public Relations

bidexiii:





One thing that keeps my mind on rest, that the jf17 is a sure deal is that it appeared in the budget two consecutive years

That's not a mistake or error.

My brother, i guess you're right.

I cannot fault that. So we can now claim 6 units ordered?

SternProphet:


I have examined the photos of the Proforce factory and equipment. There are space and tooling limitations. Also, ARA is not frozen in design and development work though at advanced stage is still ongoing. If you see money for Ara in any budget, it is to make a prototype for more testing and refinement.

Well as i can recall the Nigerian army purchased a handful of Ara for evaluation....Now forgive me if im wrong but i've seen a few pics of the Ara in the battlefield, and I highly doubt the Bosses at the NDF will put soldiers in a vehicle which is not tested and just a prototype......IMO the Ara is very close to entering full production IF it can get a customer!

Henry240:


My brother, i guess you're right.

I cannot fault that. So we can now claim 6 units ordered?

I hope for your part NAF eventually does get the JF17.......but from personal experience a budgets don't mean sh1t..........our DoD budgeted for Light and medium aircraft for 2 years 2014/25 and 2015/16, but we got nothing and eventually the acquisition was deferred....Now again DoD has apparently budgeted for Light and Medium tranports for next year..... which im 90% sure wont materialize either.

jakeporeshenko:

They changed it a bit, you saw the proposal I think, this is the approved budget. Approved by the senate 6 months later

Let me piggy back on this.
NASS added a significant amount of money to the Defence budget that will only become apparent when the purchases/procurement are done.
We all want and need Proforce to succeed and going by the interest generated by ARA and critically the mindset of the Top leadership of the Army they will.
Even some of the Generals are enthused by it.
However right now short term they need more APCs, to many IED casualties.

LTGEN:

Let me piggy back on this.
NASS added a significant amount of money to the Defence budget that will only become apparent when the purchases/procurement are done.
We all want and need Proforce to succeed and going by the interest generated by ARA and critically the mindset of the Top leadership of the Army they will.
Even some of the Generals are enthused by it.
However right now short term they need more APCs, to many IED casualties.

this excuse will be used for another 2 years if we are not careful, yes proforce production facility is small and limited, but rather than dwell on this and use it as an excuse, let the army/airforce/navy, MOD, DHQ or in fact anybody with excess money to spend, invest in proforce and expand their production and R& D facilities, the market is there (local and regional), take the risk and rip the benefits.

jakeporeshenko:
ministry of defence purchased Varta APC from ukraine
could it be to equip AFSF or AHQSG ?

the same Ukraine that sold us condemned btr 4e and can't maintain their military.

wish we sourced this APC from turkey

SternProphet:


I have examined the photos of the Proforce factory and equipment. There are space and tooling limitations. Also, ARA is not frozen in design and development work though at advanced stage is still ongoing. If you see money for Ara in any budget, it is to make a prototype for more testing and refinement.

ARA is a matured design, that's why the company that produces the vehicle had the confidence to exhibit at the world's largest defence show. We are not trying to re-invent the wheel with the ARA MRAP, the company has engineers who have a combined experience of 120 years in the vehicle manufacturing industry.

ARA will be purchased as it is partly funded by the Nigerian government.

The 9 units already paid for were not in the budget.

giles14:
the same Ukraine that sold us condemned btr 4e and can't maintain their military.

wish we sourced this APC from turkey

we are on the same page Turkish defense companies were in the spotlight at Eurosatory, standing tall amongst American, german and french companies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ViynaOpkPA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOOpFckUWUQ

They won't purchase it. At least not from this budget, special funding maybe. Think they are concentrating on standing up NA Aviation.

That's why there is zero allocation for it in the 2018 Budget.

jakeporeshenko:
Nigerian army; RAYBIRDS-3 AUTONOMOUSLY PILOTED AERIAL SYSTEM
http://www.aardvarkclearmine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/RAYBIRD-3-BROCHURE_Single_Pages.pdf


i wonder what A and B series vehicles are.

DSS also getting Surveillance Drones

Henry240:

Thanks.

Let's see how things go, JF-17 been mentioned twice cannot be an error. However i have a problem with budgeting for an aircraft, yet we don't see this aircraft that we keep budgeting for.

Nigeria is completing one batch of 3 aircraft and has started paying for another batch of 3 aircraft. That is what i can surmise from 2015 - 2018 outlay for the JF 17. I think a decision has been taken to buy a full squadron. I suspect a mix of JF17B and JF17 Block 2

gabng:
DSS also getting Surveillance Drones

The surveillance gear stuff is scary. All those funny project sub heads sounding like Hollywood movies.

Better stop spreading hate against other tribes, spreading false information and insulting Buhari on social media. Insult him in your toilet instead, it will still hurt him.

jln115:

Well as i can recall the Nigerian army purchased a handful of Ara for evaluation....Now forgive me if im wrong but i've seen a few pics of the Ara in the battlefield, and I highly doubt the Bosses at the NDF will put soldiers in a vehicle which is not tested and just a prototype......IMO the Ara is very close to entering full production IF it can get a customer!

Ara is not operationally fielded on the battlefield.. please. If you see it near the battlefield, they are evaluating and testing it. And for Christ sakes, buying nine (9) vehicles from a local manufacturer is not procurement. No country buys in bits and pieces like that locally if the development has been completed. When Ara is mature and frozen, there will be a new factory or noticeable factory expansion and Proforce would be building hundreds a year.

jakeporeshenko:

Mass production of winged men/women! I just hope standards are being upheld like one south Africa pointed out, anyways I trust NAF !

All these pilots being trained, what’s NAF future broadcast for number of assets??
12x A29 super Tucano
6 remaining mi-35m
Jf17 (maybe )

I see some long term planning in action here.

MI 35M acquisition is being slowed down to buy the lighter, easier to maintain AW 109LUH.

SternProphet:


MI 35M acquisition is being slowed down to buy the lighter, easier to maintain AW 109LUH.

They don’t play the same role though, why’re you comparing the two?

giles14:
the same Ukraine that sold us condemned btr 4e and can't maintain their military.

wish we sourced this APC from turkey

You're not buying equipment directly from there military but rather from private companies.

Ukraine have a huge defence industry(one of the largest in the world)... Maintaining a defence force is not the responsibility of private defense companies.... I wouldn't necessarily correlate the state of their defence force with the state of their defence industry.

jakeporeshenko:

They don’t play the same role though, why’re you comparing the two?

Not comparing. The threat assessment seems to be throwing up more requirement for LUH. Even Boko Haram has been degraded below the need for more AH. What we have now are middle belt bandits and occassional BH forays into urban areas which need more nimble cheaper assets