₦airaland Forum

The problem of unroadworthy tankers (even other modes of transport) is not the wickedness of owners or drivers, the problem is simply that we, Nigerians do not or cannot pay the real international price for our commodities.

A brand new tanker for moving refined petroleum products with all the modern safety features will cost in excess of N64 million ($180,000)
Currently new tanker tyre costs over N150,000 for one tyre!!!
One tanker trip from Lagos to Calabar, or Lagos to Kano will cost like N200,000 ie $600.

As such it is not possible for tanker owner to buy or use new and modern safe tankers.

Instead they buy Mack truck from US that are often 20 years old. They import these truck from scrap yards all over America.
They cannot afford the spare parts, with tyres costing N180,000, they cannot afford to buy new tyres (Remember a new tyre costs the same as the income of one trip to Kano).


How can such a contraption be safe?


The trip price is only N200,000 because;

1. the price of fuel is the same in Lagos & Sokoto regardless cost of transport (don't mention the pathetic distance allowance NNPC give)

2. the price of fuel is even below the international price


Other countries pay much more for their fuel , hence they have a better services from all sectors connected with the provision of fuel.


Can Nigerians afford to pay international price for fuel? Well we already pay close to the international price for telecoms and the service we get from telecoms whilst not perfect is the best service of any sector in Nigeria.

We indirectly already pay the international price for fuel, because every few months there is fuel scarcity as this model is unsustainable, hoarding will start, black market prices, poor quality fuel, etc.

So until we start paying the full price for fuel, all services around the provision of fuel will be sub standard and even downright dangerous

This inabilty to pay the international price for many goods and services affects us in many ways in Nigeria
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Tell those that sent you that we have heard

Please OP, do you want the thunder that will fire you in a "Manual Form or Electrified Form

So you believe we should continue to use 20 year old' dead' trucks that canot be serviced, use dead tyres, combine this with our bad roads, reckless driving, non conformity to traffic rules and you expect there to be 'no problem'.


Continue to buy something at less than cost of production and you think the seller will be there to sell to you again tomorrow.


smh*******

what happen to pipe line or rail. Nigeria is a failed states. its too bad the British created it with no intension for development. the thing they created will come back to hurt them.

fineboynl:
what happen to pipe line or rail. Nigeria is a failed states. its too bad the British created it with no intension for development. the thing they created will come back to hurt them.

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Rail and pipeline cannot get everywhere even if they exist.
The same lack of money will ensure that rail and pipeline do not get the investment they need.

The Telecos have invested billions of dollars in Nigeria in the past 18 or so years and the Tekecos charge the interational market rate for their services.

until the real independent businesses, start to invest in the oil sector and we the public pay the real market rate for petroleum products we will continue to have substandard and dangerous services (such as 'killer tankers')

ibegeeee:
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Rail and pipeline cannot get everywhere even if they exist.
The same lack of money will ensure that rail and pipeline do not get the investment they need.

The Telecos have invested billions of dollars in Nigeria in the past 18 or so years and the Tekecos charge the interational market rate for their services.

until the real independent businesses, start to invest in the oil sector and we the public pay the real market rate for petroleum products we will continue to have substandard and dangerous services (such as 'killer tankers')

OP y r u trying to play on the intelligence of Nigerians?
Because we have refused to utter a word does not mean we are gullible.
Who told u the incident at Otedola bridge was due to cost of fuel?
Do u know how much countries with crude like Nigeria sell petrol n other bye products to their citizens? Do ur research before coming to spew what will cause people to skin u alive.
Talking of transporting fuel , in a sane country are they supposed to truck petrol n co from Lagos, warri,, eleme etc to sokoto or Maiduguri?
Can't they piple or rail it like in the international community u mentioned?
As usual in the Nigerian scenario of putting the cart before the horse u r here proposing price increment instead of addressing the issues of our failed system.
Like usual instead of addressing issues the burden is shifted to the citizens who bear the brunt of every unfavourable policy while the govt. continues to loot the country dry.

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ibegeeee:
The problem of unroadworthy tankers (even other modes of transport) is not the wickedness of owners or drivers, the problem is simply that we, Nigerians do not or cannot pay the real international price for our commodities.

A brand new tanker for moving refined petroleum products with all the modern safety features will cost in excess of N64 million ($180,000)
Currently new tanker tyre costs over N150,000 for one tyre!!!
One tanker trip from Lagos to Calabar, or Lagos to Kano will cost like N200,000 ie $600.

As such it is not possible for tanker owner to buy or use new and modern safe tankers.

Instead they buy Mack truck from US that are often 20 years old. They import these truck from scrap yards all over America.
They cannot afford the spare parts, with tyres costing N180,000, they cannot afford to buy new tyres (Remember a new tyre costs the same as the income of one trip to Kano).


How can such a contraption be safe?


The trip price is only N200,000 because;

1. the price of fuel is the same in Lagos & Sokoto regardless cost of transport (don't mention the pathetic distance allowance NNPC give)

2. the price of fuel is even below the international price


Other countries pay much more for their fuel , hence they have a better services from all sectors connected with the provision of fuel.


Can Nigerians afford to pay international price for fuel? Well we already pay close to the international price for telecoms and the service we get from telecoms whilst not perfect is the best service of any sector in Nigeria.

We indirectly already pay the international price for fuel, because every few months there is fuel scarcity as this model is unsustainable, hoarding will start, black market prices, poor quality fuel, etc.

So until we start paying the full price for fuel, all services around the provision of fuel will be sub standard and even downright dangerous

This inabilty to pay the international price for many goods and services affects us in many ways in Nigeria
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This is total foolishness at its peak.

Have you wondered why the NNPC can not seem to manage and operate their PMS and gas pipelines and pumping stations despite budgeting annually to maintain them?

Did you even bother to ask why the NNPC is not exploring using rail to convey imported PMS from Lagos onward to other hinterland states?

The issue is that powerful elements are benefiting from the neglect of the railways and derelict NNPC pipelines and those people are mainly northerners who own majority of the fuel tankers.

Hahahaha...so the price of sand needs increase for tippers to be safe, the price of shipping needs to increase fro container trucks to be safe ...in the last 3 years price of petrol has increased from 87 to 145 and we didn't see any changes in our truck qualities ...hahahahab Oga shey you can see you didn't think this thing well

How Nigerians love to blame the government

The government of Nigeria is irresponsible.

But the truth must be said....even with the best will in the world if you pay below the cost price you will get poor products.

We have foolishly alowed the governments over the past 60 years to sell our crude oil on our behalf and deceive us that they will give us cheap petrol. The masses ...market women, farmers, etc don't benefit from cheap petrol ......only those in cities might have any benefit...but in the next 9 months there will be fuel scarcity because of the unsustainable subsidy ssytem and once again we will be forced to buy from black market at over and the international price for poor quality fuel.

Let government remove hand from fuel business.........

Price of fuel will rise yes!!!
but we will have regular supply,
Truck owners, petrol station owners, tank farm owners will have more cash to buy better, safer and more efficient equipment.

Do you see Glo,MTN , airtel going to buy 20 year old technology equipment for their networks? the telecos are not perfect but they are better than any other industry in Nigeria and unsucessful telecos will fail like Etisalat.

We want our trucks to look like American, European or even China trucks.....do you ask how much those truks cost compared to death trap scrap we call trucks in Nigeria?


BTW ...even trains and pipelines cannot reach all corners and we will still need trucks.

if MTN or Shell owned the pipeline and charged commensurate amount of money for their service do you think you will be hearing about vandalised pipeline? see how telecos protect their current infrasture today and they still make profit.

SalamRushdie:
Hahahaha...so the price of sand needs increase for tippers to be safe, the price of shipping needs to increase fro container trucks to be safe ...in the last 3 years price of petrol has increased from 87 to 145 and we didn't see any changes in our truck qualities ...hahahahab Oga shey you can see you didn't think this thing well

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Don't you see the dead tippers we use to move sand? those tippers are over 30 years old !!!!
a trip of sand costs N30,000 …...that's like $80

A new tipper in US will cost you easily $100,000 how do you balance that? Madam that supplys sand must use 30 to 40 year old Bedford truck for her business, and that truck must keep breaking down and even have faulty brakes.

Increases in price of fuel has always been on the government terms. Let the market be free and let you, me and anyone else bring in petrol and sell at our prices. Not this current artificial rubbish we have now.

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This is total foolishness at its peak.

[color=#006600]Have you wondered why the NNPC can not seem to manage and operate their PMS and gas pipelines and pumping stations despite budgeting annually to maintain them?

Did you even bother to ask why the NNPC is not exploring using rail to convey imported PMS from Lagos onward to other hinterland states?

The issue is that powerful elements are benefiting from the neglect of the railways and derelict NNPC pipelines and those people are mainly northerners who own majority of the fuel tankers.[/quote][/color]


No sane country allows a government department run it's main industry......Other stupid countries like Nigeria that produce oil yet do not have refined petrol for their own citizens like Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. All these countries deceive themselves that they are oil producing and sell cheap to their citizens yet there are fuel shortages and black market.


Countries like Malaysia, Phillipines don't have oil yet they have safe and new road oil tankers and they don't fuel shortage. Even Ghana doesn't have fuel shortage and they don't have oil.

Lets stop decieving ourselves or allow the government to decieve us.

the goverments like the control they have over the local petrol market (they can't control the export market because Shell and Chevron have sorted that out and just hand over tax revenue). but the local petrol market, all the government ministries, NNPC and subsidiaries know how much they make from Nigerians whilst decieving us that they are giving cheap fuel.


Please ask yourself, if you had N60 million would you buy a brand new tanker that will struggle to balance you N200,000 a month? No you will go and buy 20 -30 year tokunbo Mack from US for N5 million and form 'big man' in your area with your dead truck, no tyres, no brakes, fake papers.....and carry a deadly cargo of highly flammable petrol.(add bad road and bad drivers to that mix)

recipe for disaster


see my answers above on pipelines and trains

By the way most of the tankers are Tokunbo bought from the US by southerners just trying to make a living.

ibegeeee:
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No sane country allows a government department run it's main industry......Other stupid countries like Nigeria that produce oil yet do not have refined petrol for their own citizens like Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. All these countries deceive themselves that they are oil producing and sell cheap to their citizens yet there are fuel shortages and black market.


Countries like Malaysia, Phillipines don't have oil yet they have safe and new road oil tankers and they don't fuel shortage. Even Ghana doesn't have fuel shortage and they don't have oil.

Lets stop decieving ourselves or allow the government to decieve us.

the goverments like the control they have over the local petrol market (they can't control the export market because Shell and Chevron have sorted that out and just hand over tax revenue). but the local petrol market, all the government ministries, NNPC and subsidiaries know how much they make from Nigerians whilst decieving us that they are giving cheap fuel.


Please ask yourself, if you had N60 million would you buy a brand new tanker that will struggle to balance you N200,000 a month? No you will go and buy 20 -30 year tokunbo Mack from US for N5 million and form 'big man' in your area with your dead truck, no tyres, no brakes, fake papers.....and carry a deadly cargo of highly flammable petrol.(add bad road and bad drivers to that mix)

recipe for disaster


see my answers above on pipelines and trains

And what guarrantees are you giving that if the pump price increases the transporters will adhere to safety regulations?

You seem not to understand how petroluem pricing is arrived at by the NNPC.

FYI, there exist another subsidy within the subsidy regime for PMS and it covers the cost of transporting fuel to hinter areas.

The cost of fuel in Sokoto is the same price in Lagos. This is a policy that the FG put in place to have a singular cost price on PMS nationwide and at the end of the day, you in Lagos who ought to be paying a far lower cost is subsiding the cost of fuel in Borno.

To make matters worse, in the Niger Delta fuel stations not under the major marketers sell well above the pump price. In Calabar south municipality, fuel sells between 170 -190 per litre. The fuel marketers defend this pricing as a result of the cost in transporting fuel from outside Cross-River.

The solution to all these lies within local jurisdictions to which states like LASG have the powers to regulate the kind of vehicles that operate on their roads by using the VIO Motor Vehicle inspection units.

Just as states have the powers to ban Okadas they can also regulate the trailers and tankers plying their roads.

By assuming prices of petrol must go up before Tankers can be road worthy as akin to the foolishness of Fashola defending and pushing for increase in electric tarrifs in order to improve supply.

TylerDurden:
And what guarrantees are you giving that if the pump price increases the transporters will adhere to safety regulations?

You seem not to understand how petroluem pricing is arrived at by the NNPC.

FYI, there exist another subsidy within the subsidy regime for PMS and it covers the cost of transporting fuel to hinter areas.

The cost of fuel in Sokoto is the same price in Lagos. This is a policy that the FG put in place to have a singular cost price on PMS nationwide and at the end of the day, you in Lagos who ought to be paying a far lower cost is subsiding the cost of fuel in Borno.

To make matters worse, in the Niger Delta fuel stations not under the major marketers sell well above the pump price. In Calabar south municipality, fuel sells between 170 -190 per litre. The fuel marketers defend this pricing as a result of the cost in transporting fuel from outside Cross-River.

The solution to all these lies within local jurisdictions to which states like LASG have the powers to regulate the kind of vehicles that operate on their roads by using the VIO Motor Vehicle inspection units.

Just as states have the powers to ban Okadas they can also regulate the trailers and tankers plying their roads.

By assuming prices of petrol must go up before Tankers can be road worthy as akin to the foolishness of Fashola defending and pushing for increase in electric tarrifs in order to improve supply.

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The transport subsidy given to transporters of fuel is too little and makes no sense.

Governments CANNOT control markets. We have been deceived for 60 years of government controlled economies. China the number one communist country abandoned a government central controlled economy even thought they kept the one party communist government and see in 20 years they have become the biggest or second biggest economy in the world.


State governments can give strict guidelines n the quality and roadworthyness of vehicles but as long as people cannot afford good vehicles they will simply bribe government officials.


Any transporter would prefer to buy a brand new truck, that does not breakdown, is fuel efficient, has tracker, etc because that is easier to run than the 20 to 30 year old rubbish we see on our roads. But he cannot afford to spend N64 million one truck, when they receive less than N200,000 for one trip and the cost of diesel they use on one trip is up N80,000.

Please note increase in fuel price NOT for government to increase price but for ordinary marketeers to buy and sell PMS at any price they can buy and sell. It is not for the government to fix the price.