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Obalufon:
laughing you guys are funny .. the earlier you embrace your root the better it is for you ..

So who is talking about root i get confused when i read yoruba history u have nothing to say but this....

It baffles me yoruba oral stories says after oromiyan established oyo he went back to ife ...when we are seen that 4 dynasty ruled before he later came back to rule how is that possible was he immortal this four rulers after him did dey just spend months in the throne that orimiyan got the chance to be king again ife.... It is also seen the second bearing an edo name even obamkin which means in edo i am a king are we to say again the word osa and oba came from ife this time?....

The second pictures contradict the first picture and the first picture was said to be giving as d list of kings of ife during present ooni coronation if ife was established by 500bc by oduduwa then how many years did he live at ife before benin came to beg him for oromiyan ...Benin has a more acurate date for this because they documented it throughout art work and oba eweka reign is said to be 1180


Benin art works dates from this picture fron 12c ,16 ,17 downwards but ife odest artworks start from 13c how come they thought benin art carbon dating reveled the years of this art works


More research to come.....

gregyboy:
So who is talking about root i get confused when i read yoruba history u have nothing to say but this....

It baffles me yoruba oral stories says after oromiyan established oyo he went back to ife ...when we are seen that 4 dynasty ruled before he later came back to rule how is that possible was he immortal this four rulers after him did dey just spend months in the throne that orimiyan got the chance to be king again ife.... It is also seen the second bearing an edo name even obamkin which means in edo i am a king are we to say again the word osa and oba came from ife this time?....

The second pictures contradict the first picture and the first picture was said to be giving as d list of kings of ife during present ooni coronation if ife was established by 500bc by oduduwa then how many years did he live at ife before benin came to beg him for oromiyan ...Benin has a more acurate date for this because they documented it throughout art work and oba eweka reign is said to be 1180


Benin art works dates from this picture fron 12c ,16 ,17 downwards but ife odest artworks start from 13c how come they thought benin art carbon dating reveled the years of this art works


More research to come.....

oramiyan was grandson of oduduwa

Obalufon:
oramiyan was grandson of oduduwa

Other account say he was d first born of oduduwa

If he was d grandson how come he got to rule at ife after 4dynasty


And how come beni art is older than ife art

It is this same careless behaviour of Africans that has got us to the level we are now, globally

Why must we tear eachother down?

Benin team

Yoruba team

Can we please come together to study our civilizations, rebuild indigenous architectural systems, clothing, art, medicine, and weaponry

Sovereign

Empire

Peace and Love

Moorish:
Benin team

Yoruba team

Can we please come together to study our civilizations, rebuild indigenous architectural systems, clothing, art, medicine, and weaponry

Sovereign

Empire

Peace and Love

Qhen history is told on lies building becomes difficult... Yoruba's should to believe on sky diving king is dat not insanity ....before we could come together to build something has to be understand
We can never run away from this argument it very meaningful fact are coming out now rather than myth

It is going to be very difficult for southern Nigeria to achieve anything politically with the way you guys here are acting, being the future generation...

The country should divide already abeg i am tired

You do not find this level of tribal hatred and bigotry in any other countries; Nigeria dey carry first for this one

Moorish:
Benin team

Yoruba team

Can we please come together to study our civilizations, rebuild indigenous architectural systems, clothing, art, medicine, and weaponry

Sovereign

Empire

Peace and Love

Nooo! I disagree with you . Arts some may look alike but differs with careful analysis,they aren't . This doesn't mean hatred. Today Europeans have mutual respect for their different groups even if they were a set of different people at one time or the other . Despite conquest of some of them, history acknowledged this and each ethnicity identified with her own. Stop being seen as a peace lover, because you are never loved by them. Mutual respect is what's needed ,which is possible to achieve but on no account should anyone call Odua as Igodo's Odionwere descendant.

Olu317:
Nooo! I disagree with you . Arts some may look alike but differs with careful analysis,they aren't . This doesn't mean hatred. Today Europeans have mutual respect for their different groups even if they were a set of different people at one time or the other . Despite conquest of some of them, history acknowledged this and each ethnicity identified with her own. Stop being seen as a peace lover, because you are never loved by them. Mutual respect is what's needed ,which is possible to achieve but on no account should anyone call Odua as Igodo's Odionwere descendant.

But he his cant u see is not a skydiver he was a migrant from the rainforset yorubas do come to bury thier oonis head in edo while they made statues of our chiefs at ife.....
We brought art to ife .....our oldest art in British musuem dates to 12c while ife dates to 14c ....

gregyboy:
But he his cant u see is not a skydiver he was a migrant from the rainforset yorubas do come to bury thier oonis head in edo while they made statues of our chiefs at ife.....
We brought art to ife .....our oldest art in British musuem dates to 12c while ife dates to 14c ....

Why do you guys feel so comfortable to lie and even try to change history. History has it the the Oba of Benin's head are buried in Ife until recently and not the other way round as you have stated above? The last time I checked, the grave of one of the Kings is in Ife, as evidence. Can you please tell us a place where such heads of Yoruba Obas' are buried in Benin or keep quiet forever?

It is not a crime to have a king or leader from another land. This has happened several times in human history. Even the British Royalty has German ancestry, and heaven did not fall for cry out loud. Why the fuse, if Benin royalty has Yoruba/Benin blood? Or the Ilorin Emir has Fulani and Yoruba blood?

You guys should go and face the Nigerian polity and ensure the country is great again rather than wallowing in self aggrandizement and inferiority complex. Let us make these race great again if truly our forefathers have done what you guys are claiming here. What will generations that come after say about us? Let's everyone sheath their sword and forget these arguments and move on. I am sure there are more better things to learn from both cultures.

@Moorish; thanks for your observations and assertions.

geosegun:
Why do you guys feel so comfortable to lie and even try to change history. History has it the the Oba of Benin's head are buried in Ife until recently and not the other way round as you have stated above? The last time I checked, the grave of one of the Kings is in Ife, as evidence. Can you please tell us a place where such heads of Yoruba Obas' are buried in Benin or keep quiet forever?

It is not a crime to have a king or leader from another land. This has happened several times in human history. Even the British Royalty has German ancestry, and heaven did not fall for cry out loud. Why the fuse, if Benin royalty has Yoruba/Benin blood? Or the Ilorin Emir has Fulani and Yoruba blood?

You guys should go and face the Nigerian polity and ensure the country is great again rather than wallowing in self aggrandizement and inferiority complex. Let us make these race great again if truly our forefathers have done what you guys are claiming here. What will generations that come after say about us? Let's everyone sheath their sword and forget these arguments and move on. I am sure there are more better things to learn from both cultures.

@Moorish; thanks for your observations and assertions.

Show me obas grave have non seen non but i would show ooni statue in oba palace who came to bury is head in oba palace and benin chief in ife

geosegun:
Why do you guys feel so comfortable to lie and even try to change history. History has it the the Oba of Benin's head are buried in Ife until recently and not the other way round as you have stated above? The last time I checked, the grave of one of the Kings is in Ife, as evidence. Can you please tell us a place where such heads of Yoruba Obas' are buried in Benin or keep quiet forever?

It is not a crime to have a king or leader from another land. This has happened several times in human history. Even the British Royalty has German ancestry, and heaven did not fall for cry out loud. Why the fuse, if Benin royalty has Yoruba/Benin blood? Or the Ilorin Emir has Fulani and Yoruba blood?

You guys should go and face the Nigerian polity and ensure the country is great again rather than wallowing in self aggrandizement and inferiority complex. Let us make these race great again if truly our forefathers have done what you guys are claiming here. What will generations that come after say about us? Let's everyone sheath their sword and forget these arguments and move on. I am sure there are more better things to learn from both cultures.

@Moorish; thanks for your observations and assertions.

I agree to this wholeheartedly.

geosegun:
Why do you guys feel so comfortable to lie and even try to change history. History has it the the Oba of Benin's head are buried in Ife until recently and not the other way round as you have stated above? The last time I checked, the grave of one of the Kings is in Ife, as evidence. Can you please tell us a place where such heads of Yoruba Obas' are buried in Benin or keep quiet forever?

It is not a crime to have a king or leader from another land. This has happened several times in human history. Even the British Royalty has German ancestry, and heaven did not fall for cry out loud. Why the fuse, if Benin royalty has Yoruba/Benin blood? Or the Ilorin Emir has Fulani and Yoruba blood?

You guys should go and face the Nigerian polity and ensure the country is great again rather than wallowing in self aggrandizement and inferiority complex. Let us make these race great again if truly our forefathers have done what you guys are claiming here. What will generations that come after say about us? Let's everyone sheath their sword and forget these arguments and move on. I am sure there are more better things to learn from both cultures.

@Moorish; thanks for your observations and assertions.

In this your assessment did u ever wonder if Germans go about saying they founded British empire or bragging they own British monarchy?
Your brothers are the ones embarrassing themselves so you should caution them instead of writing this beautiful nonsense.

Meanwhile can you show us the grave of any Oba of Benin in Ife?

gregyboy:
Show me obas grave have non seen non but i would show ooni statue in oba palace who came to bury is head in oba palace and benin chief in ife

I can debunk your claim through ile-ife art work. the oni bronze figure found buried in your oba palace out classed all your bronze art work is more realistic with intricate details than Benin art work with savage head ""the oni figure was probably worshiped by your king" .. it shows that you are still new in the bronze casting trade. ..

Obalufon:
I can debunk your claim through ile-ife art work. the oni bronze figure found buried in your oba palace out classed all your bronze art work is more realistic with intricate details than Benin art work with savage head ""the oni figure was probably worshiped by your king" .. it shows that you are still new in the bronze casting trade. ..

Lol at first yorubas said oba of benin comes to bury his head at ife for superiority purpose ever since the claim no evidence to back it up than mere words ...now benin followed thesame path of superiority after they found onni statue at oba palace with evidence on the statue now yorubas want to claim we were worshiping it is that not a cunny attitudes Yoruba's portray....
What about the benin chiefs Yoruba's made a statue of

How come benin arts are older than ife

gregyboy:
Lol at first yorubas said oba of benin comes to bury his head at ife for superiority purpose ever since the claim no evidence to back it up than mere words ...now benin followed thesame path of superiority after they found onni statue at oba palace with evidence on the statue now yorubas want to claim we were worshiping it is that not a cunny attitudes Yoruba's portray....
What about the benin chiefs Yoruba's made a statue of

How come benin arts are older than ife

dumb ass that is not benin chief .... Comfirm ife priest . you were expecting to see ? ...even the art work realism and proportion out classed your primitive art Benin art lack proportion and realism ..

when the white discuss our artifact they didn't elaborate on the history but the technology used in casting it... they even took samples of the metal to understand the casting technique they were baffled by how they could achieve such flawless cast without patches

check out this master cast artwork it predate all your mumble jungle benin bronze cast

Obalufon:
dumb ass that is not benin chief .... Comfirm ife priest . you were expecting to see ? ...even the art work realism and proportion out classed your primitive art Benin art lack proportion and realism ..

Lol dumb lier i wanna see a present pics of an ife priest....or i dont believe it....

And how come benin oldest art work date 12c and ifes own dates 14c


The first picture shows the statue on discussion
The scnd pics shows an ife priest wearing white clothes with dots marks on the body
The third nd forth pics shows a benin chief wearing white clothes fully beaded just like d first pics above and hands crossed

If you dont see the difference then ur use on this argument his baseless our supiority over yorubas have been way to high even to revered ife
Dumb ass lier

gregyboy:
Qhen history is told on lies building becomes difficult... Yoruba's should to believe on sky diving king is dat not insanity ....before we could come together to build something has to be understand
We can never run away from this argument it very meaningful fact are coming out now rather than myth

The ogiso dynasty were renowned as "sky kings" greg

mythologies is not the problem

the problem is you guys are fighting an irrelevant online fight which the royals of ife or benin do not pay nor commend you for

stop being a slave to your ego brother

we need to come together and solve our collective Nigerian problems

The seed of discord amongst us needs to be addressed one way or another

Moorish:
The ogiso dynasty were renowned as "sky kings" greg

mythologies is not the problem

the problem is you guys are fighting an irrelevant online fight which the royals of ife or benin do not pay nor commend you for

stop being a slave to your ego brother

we need to come together and solve our collective Nigerian problems

The seed of discord amongst us needs to be addressed one way or another

Nigga running from your problem is not the solution to a problem .this is were nigeria problems lies dishonesty ,tribalism ,ethnocentrism,disunity,nepotism,favouritism
A nigeria man would lie to uphold himself or favour a particular people because they are his people .....
I would advice go on research yourself and find the truth behind this myth thats what a great mind do ....your research. Would be rewarded someday if you do so.....

As for me i have done a research and i have seen edo birthed ife you should rather ask me for my prove than shut me down

gregyboy:
Nigga running from your problem is not the solution to a problem .this is were nigeria problems lies dishonesty ,tribalism ,ethnocentrism,disunity,nepotism,favouritism
A nigeria man would lie to uphold himself or favour a particular people because they are his people .....
I would advice go on research yourself and find the truth behind this myth thats what a great mind do ....your research. Would be rewarded someday if you do so.....

As for me i have done a research and i have seen edo birthed ife you should rather ask me for my prove than shut me down

Balderdash!!!

gregyboy:
Nigga running from your problem is not the solution to a problem .this is were nigeria problems lies dishonesty ,tribalism ,ethnocentrism,disunity,nepotism,favouritism
A nigeria man would lie to uphold himself or favour a particular people because they are his people .....
I would advice go on research yourself and find the truth behind this myth thats what a great mind do ....your research. Would be rewarded someday if you do so.....

As for me i have done a research and i have seen edo birthed ife you should rather ask me for my prove than shut me down

My people and yours had pre colonial contact and interaction which was mostly friendly

Let us build on what we have in common

I actually believe we are stronger together

Moorish:
My people and yours had pre colonial contact and interaction which was mostly friendly

Let us build on what we have in common

I actually believe we are stronger together

I feel u...but running from our problem has not gotten us far as a country taking d easy way out gave us a mess in the country we are is high time we take the bulls by the balls....
Set history right and the mutual relationship can br perfect as you want ....if yorubas revered edo as the oduduwa bringer i think the mutual benefit from yorubas to edos will be so great no bounds can break but if is opposite

gregyboy:
Lol dumb lier i wanna see a present pics of an ife priest....or i dont believe it....

And how come benin oldest art work date 12c and ifes own dates 14c


The first picture shows the statue on discussion
The scnd pics shows an ife priest wearing white clothes with dots marks on the body
The third nd forth pics shows a benin chief wearing white clothes fully beaded just like d first pics above and hands crossed

If you dont see the difference then ur use on this argument his baseless our supiority over yorubas have been way to high even to revered ife
Dumb ass lier

you guys delusional ..post any of your art work that is 12century most of your artifact were made after the Portuguese contact .......you are justifying your claim with ife chief stature carved out of stone ..post one of your artifact that was carved out of stone .,..is a known fact ife bronze art predate your Benin art ...and the terracotta are even much older ...

gregyboy:
Lol dumb lier i wanna see a present pics of an ife priest....or i dont believe it....

And how come benin oldest art work date 12c and ifes own dates 14c


The first picture shows the statue on discussion
The scnd pics shows an ife priest wearing white clothes with dots marks on the body
The third nd forth pics shows a benin chief wearing white clothes fully beaded just like d first pics above and hands crossed

If you dont see the difference then ur use on this argument his baseless our supiority over yorubas have been way to high even to revered ife
Dumb ass lier

you people are liars ..

gregyboy:
Other account say he was d first born of oduduwa

If he was d grandson how come he got to rule at ife after 4dynasty


And how come beni art is older than ife art

post the benin art that is older than ife art ..you people are delusional ...monkey kingdom...our terracotta are even way much other

Obalufon:
post the benin art that is older than ife art ..you people are delusional ...monkey kingdom...our terracotta are even way much other

You are obsessed with Benin.
First na cloth, now na art..
Just accept the greatness of Benin so u will have peace in ur heart.

davidnazee:
You are obsessed with Benin.
First na cloth, now na art..
Just accept the greatness of Benin so u will have peace in ur heart.

No point in talking, reiterating on known obvious fact ..live and die in your believe is your right ,,but the truth and fact will always be told

Obalufon:
No point in talking, reiterating on known obvious fact ..live and die in your believe is your right ,,but the truth and fact will always be told

Just as you too can live and die in your false beliefs but sad part is that you die not knowing the truth.
Truth is Yoruba never gave Edo cloth, exporting of clothing was a major source of income for Benin kingdom in the 16th century. The clothing was exported to Yoruba lands.
The Ife arts excavated in early 20th century were dated to the 12th century. Benin arts are much older than that. None of the Ife arts found were dated older than benin’s..
if Ife have art works older than any of Benin art works it is yet to be found.

Obalufon:
you guys delusional ..post any of your art work that is 12century most of your artifact were made after the Portuguese contact .......you are justifying your claim with ife chief stature carved out of stone ..post one of your artifact that was carved out of stone .,..is a known fact ife bronze art predate your Benin art ...and the terracotta are even much older ...

So even after all these days, you still haven't recovered from your hallucinations? Your burden must be a particularly heavy one.