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Tosinex2:
@Prophetmichael, he can't back them with scriptures, the fool is just churning out what his pastor taught him, those pastors of his that needs to be delivered from the demons of fornication and Jerry curling lolzz

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PROPHETmichael:
I asked you to explain this statement "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" and all you could say was "Well Jesus said..the Truth will MAKE us free." That says it all... Anyway, let me go according to your explanation, what truth will make us free?

Also, i'm still waiting for you to show me in the scripture where it says as Jesus or apostles was preaching, deliverance or healing etc was taking place. Remember, everything i'm trying to explain to you, i back it up with scripture; so kindly back yours up.

You asked me to explain the statement and I explained it yet all you gathered from it was that I said Jesus said it. What other explanation do you need? If you want something specific ask for it and you will be delivered.

Your question now is what truth will make Christians free?

God's truth about walking in divine health will cause Christians to walk in the freedom of perpetual good health.

God's truth about our right standing in christ will cause Christians to walk rightly.

God's truth about his love will cause Christians to walk without fear.

God's truth about our authority will ensure Christians do not subscribe to the lie of them being demon possessed or inheriting curses from their family.

Gods truth about the remission of sin we received will give us boldness to come to him without doubt.

I could go on and on.

Your next question is retarrded. The scriptures say preach deliverance and you are asking me to give you an instance when they preached and deliverance happened. That is like someone telling you to do good and you ask the person to show when "do" was happening and "good" was also happening.

If what you are trying to ask is what does preach deliverance mean, it is simple. If I tell someone who has not walked since birth, that in christ everything related to his health has been paid for on the cross and he can get up and walk, that is me preaching his deliverance to him.

In Acts 14:8-10, Paul was teaching about this when a man who had not walked since birth developed faith that he could walk. Paul by word of knowledge perceived this and told the man to get up and walk. Because your understanding of english is askew, let me break it down for you. The bible says Paul perceived that the man had FAITH TO BE HEALED. The bible was specific. Why did the man develop the faith to be healed? The bible says as he LISTENED INTENTLY to the message that Paul PREACHED.

If you don't understand this, don't quote me. I am giving you free sermons to use and impress your audience yet you are not saying thank you.

Tosinex2:
look at this clown! Mr vocabulary the Joker! you cast out demons regularly, are they living in your house? hahahahaha hahahahaha is everyone in your surroundings possessed , and don't you preach the Word to deliver them, and why casting them out regularly lolzz, you don't need to lie, I'm sure you don't even know what demons are, Keep living in your delusion, you can boast because it's a faceless forum! you still have alot to learn boy, the little you think you know is nothing and unfruitful, and to think you know God's word and you can't come up with precise scriptural verses to back your claims then I say it again that you are such a shame to Christianity..

What if I told you I am a Pastor who regularly prays for the sick in a healing school? What if I told you that the most people I pray for are members of some of the so-called deliverance ministries who get tired of going over and over with the same situations repeating themselves?

The evidence is here on who is an absolute disgrace to the cross. And the funny thing is, you are trying to use words you don't understand which makes you even look stupider. You can scour through my previous posts to see me lecturing people who know more than you on demons. You think they are something lofty because that is what spiritual frauds want to believe so you can keep fleecing the unsuspecting with your false tales and misapplication of clear scriptures.

Look at who is talking about scriptures. The same person who could not differentiate between, jew, gentile, Christian, preach, deliverance. I have read it all on nairaland.

For the benefit of those who will go on to read this thread in future. Here are the new testament realities on our deliverance.

Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Gal 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

1John 4:4
You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

These scriptures are clear and lucid.

Christ HAS DELIVERED US. People need to be taught that. It has happened. It is not going to happen.

Christ has brought us into liberty. He HAS MADE us free. It has transpired. It is not about to happen. We are not entangled again in bondage. We are not captives.

We have overcome the devil and his cohorts. We are far above them. We are seated with christ. This is the genuine truth about us.

Any other half truths and lies from Kindagertan Christians is the reason some are ever learning but never coming to any knowledge of the truth. You can spot them from a mile by the staggering nature of their ignorance. Avoid them. Blind men cannot lead other blind men.

Maestro21:
What if I told you I am a Pastor who regularly prays for the sick in a healing school? What if I told you that the most people I pray for are members of some of the so-called deliverance ministries who get tired of going over and over with the same situations repeating themselves?

The evidence is here on who is an absolute disgrace to the cross. And the funny thing is, you are trying to use words you don't understand which makes you even look stupider. You can scour through my previous posts to see me lecturing people who know more than you on demons. You think they are something lofty because that is what spiritual frauds want to believe so you can keep fleecing the unsuspecting with your false tales and misapplication of clear scriptures.

Look at who is talking about scriptures. The same person who could not differentiate between, jew, gentile, Christian, preach, deliverance. I have read it all on nairaland.

gosh!! You a pastor? It's a fatal shame to name you a Pastor, a pastor that doesn't understand what Deliverance is, Well I'm not surprised, any fool can be admitted into bible school to become a Pastor.

You pray for people? Yuck!! You need people to lay hands on you, and not the other way round.
And I'm not interested in checking your threads or whatever because the little time I spend dialoguing with you here reveals how quack and petty you are and must have been trading your deluded knowledge on Nairaland, and how much you must have led your gullible folks astray, blind leading the blind. I reduced my talks because I don't find you worthy of my time.
You talking of Jews, Greek Christian or whatever, you can pm me for lectures, I have a reserved bible class for dunce pastor like you.

Maestro21:
What if I told you I am a Pastor who regularly prays for the sick in a healing school? What if I told you that the most people I pray for are members of some of the so-called deliverance ministries who get tired of going over and over with the same situations repeating themselves?

The evidence is here on who is an absolute disgrace to the cross. And the funny thing is, you are trying to use words you don't understand which makes you even look stupider. You can scour through my previous posts to see me lecturing people who know more than you on demons. You think they are something lofty because that is what spiritual frauds want to believe so you can keep fleecing the unsuspecting with your false tales and misapplication of clear scriptures.

Look at who is talking about scriptures. The same person who could not differentiate between, jew, gentile, Christian, preach, deliverance. I have read it all on nairaland.

Sir, becareful do not allow them to vex you

PROPHETmichael:
I asked you to explain this statement "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" and all you could say was "Well Jesus said..the Truth will MAKE us free." That says it all... Anyway, let me go according to your explanation, what truth will make us free?

Also, i'm still waiting for you to show me in the scripture where it says as Jesus or apostles was preaching, deliverance or healing etc was taking place. Remember, everything i'm trying to explain to you, i back it up with scripture; so kindly back yours up.

'And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching ... the power of God was present.' - Luke 5:17

Maestro21:
You asked me to explain the statement and I explained it yet all you gathered from it was that I said Jesus said it. What other explanation do you need? If you want something specific ask for it and you will be delivered.

Your question now is what truth will make Christians free?

God's truth about walking in divine health will cause Christians to walk in the freedom of perpetual good health.

God's truth about our right standing in christ will cause Christians to walk rightly.

God's truth about his love will cause Christians to walk without fear.

God's truth about our authority will ensure Christians do not subscribe to the lie of them being demon possessed or inheriting curses from their family.

Gods truth about the remission of sin we received will give us boldness to come to him without doubt.

I could go on and on.

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You quoted Jesus "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" and I decided to test your knowledge of the word to see if you know what you are saying ......you failed woefully.

Preach that to a young convert with your curly hair and he'll be like "wow..preach pastor...." what you are saying is nice but that's not what Jesus was saying so pls don't "go on and on". Sit down, humble yourself and learn.

Jesus said I am the way, the TRUTH and the life (John 14:6)

He also said, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free" John 8:32

He went further in verse 36 to explain his statement, "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:36

So therefore, when he said and which you quoted without understanding, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" He was simply talking about himself.

In other words, he was saying "You shall know ME and I shall make you free"John 8:32, because "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:36 (If I shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed).

Or simply put it this way "you shall KNOW JESUS and JESUS shall MAKE you free" (personal relationship).

Dan1cole:
'And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching ... the power of God was present.' - Luke 5:17

True... but did it tell you that as he was preaching, people were being healed, delivered etc as they were hearing the word? NO, It is either he ministered to the sick b4 preaching or preach first b4 ministering to the sick.

PROPHETmichael:
True... but did it tell you as he was preaching, people were being healed, delivered etc as they were hearing the word? NO, It is either he ministered to the sick b4 preaching or preach first b4 ministering to the sick.

You know, I've been observing the discussion. But let me dive into this discussion a bit here.
What is deliverance?
The action of being rescued or set free.
What does it mean to be delivered?
To save, rescue, or set someone or
something free.
What does God's Word say about freedom?
'And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.' - John 8:32
Whats the truth?
'Thy word is true from the beginning.' - Psalm 119:160
Yes, a demon can reside in a non-believer and can be cast out. But like I said in the original post at the start of this thread, if the demon leaves there is a tendacy that'll it'll return with seven other demons more dangerous than itself to dwell in that person, giving that the person refuses to be grounded in God's Word. (see Luke 11:24-26). But as a believer, it's not possible for you to be possessed by a demon, except you're ignorant of who you are and your rights in Christ. Or maybe except you've backslidden (which mean you're no longer a believer). A true believer cannot be possessed, but can be oppressed (also if ignorant)--don't mistake this.
Jesus was preaching, and the 'power of God was present' to heal and deliver. And if you read on from Luke 5:17 there you'll see how a man was brought to Him from the roof and got healed.
Paul was preaching in Acts 14:7-10, when faith was stirred up in a certain man, who then got healed.
I can go all day with examples...
The truth is that (like I said in the original post), any deliverance not word based or grounded is merely a temporary fix.

Tosinex2:
gosh!! You a pastor? It's a fatal shame to name you a Pastor, a pastor that doesn't understand what Deliverance is, Well I'm not surprised, any fool can be admitted into bible school to become a Pastor.

You pray for people? Yuck!! You need people to lay hands on you, and not the other way round.
And I'm not interested in checking your threads or whatever because the little time I spend dialoguing with you here reveals how quack and petty you are and must have been trading your deluded knowledge on Nairaland, and how much you must have led your gullible folks astray, blind leading the blind. I reduced my talks because I don't find you worthy of my time.
You talking of Jews, Greek Christian or whatever, you can pm me for lectures, I have a reserved bible class for dunce pastor like you.

Yea, when they are schooled and cornered they mouth of invectives. You only succeeded in exposing yourself more. You did not read my post but were talking about Jerry Curls. Hahahha.

Kenneth Copeland whose devotional you use your second Nairaland account to post is well-known in Christendom. He sends people sometimes from his church to meet with Pastor Benny Hinn. LOL. Benny Hinn says, Rev Chris is the greatest teacher of the word he has ever met..and if you know Benny Hinn, you would know he has met them all.

Why is it necessary to say that to you? I expect you to end up insulting Pastor Kenneth now, just to still protect the sanctity of a dumb argument you could not at least use 2 corroborating scriptures to back up. To the point, you even discarded Jesus' very words.

Add Dunce, fool, Buffoon to your repertoire of assaults from someone who keeps yapping on about deliverance. I told you, the places I walk into, I don't think the head of the ministry you attend will be allowed to sit in the lounge. You are talking about deliverance and even with explicatory verses saying healing..casting out demons is not deliverance..you still maintain that it is..LOL.

So Explain how Col 1:13 Paul by the holy spirit could say we are delivered already yet did not relate that to casting out any demon or healing the sick? I am in the US so our time zones are different. I can totally expose you as someone who knows absolutely nothing but to what end? Your use of English already shows that.

Bye Felicia.

PROPHETmichael:
You quoted Jesus "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" and I decided to test your knowledge of the word to see if you know what you are saying ......you failed woefully.

Preach that to a young convert with your curly hair and he'll be like "wow..preach pastor...." what you are saying is nice but that's not what Jesus was saying so pls don't "go on and on". Sit down, humble yourself and learn.

Jesus said I am the way, the TRUTH and the life (John 14:6)

He also said, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free" John 8:32

He went further in verse 36 to explain his statement, "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:36

So therefore, when he said and which you quoted without understanding, "you shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free" He was simply talking about himself.

In other words, he was saying "You shall know ME and I shall make you free"John 8:32, because "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:36 (If I shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed).

Or simply put it this way "you shall KNOW JESUS and JESUS shall MAKE you free" (personal relationship).

If you are humble, you will learn. It is clear you want me to keep teaching but I am being put off by the forceful way you are asking.

Jesus is the word himself and the word is also called truth.

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 15:3
You are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Jesus said the words he spoke to his disciples, made them clean. If they were "dirty" the words he preached to them "cleaned" them. Not the casting out of demons or their sick that he healed. The word..

Eph 5:26

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word

Paul says the same thing. It is the word that sanctified/makes holy/separates/consecrates men.

A man can be free from bondage and not know and his ignorance will cause demons to ravage his life. Yet we have already been delivered. We have already been sanctified by the word.

So you can go back to Jesus words and say "You shall know the WORD and the WORD will MAKE YOU FREE".

Jews in Jesus day knew him. Even some Muslims " know" him but they are not delivered. It is knowing the person of Jesus by the word - that is, what the word says about him that makes men free.

We are already far above every demon and the devil himself. That is what the word says. So which deliverance is needed for someone who knows satan is under his foot?

Like I have said before, you don't know me or my knowledge of scripture.

bloodofthelamb:
Sir, becareful do not allow them to vex you

I am not vexed at all. If you have time to wade through the gibberish he posts you will see he was the one using the words foolishness, fool, dunce, Buffoon. I only taught him how to spell the last word. What will using such words on him do for me? Nothing.

I post on NL when chanced in the office and sometimes I use my phone. I am too high for certain things. So no bro, I am not vexed at all.

Maestro21:
I am not vexed at all. If you have time to wade through the gibberish he posts you will see he was the one using the words foolishness, fool, dunce, Buffoon. I only taught him how to spell the last word. What will using such words on him do for me? Nothing.

I post on NL when chanced in the office and sometimes I use my phone. I am too high for certain things. So no bro, I am not vexed at all.

I have been following the discussion as well. I think the defenders of exorcisms are not willing to learn. You gave them scripture after scripture, illustration after illustration; yet they are unable to receive it. All we can do now is let them continue to be charltans and native doctors.
I am glad they have been exposed. Their folly has been exposed. Their enterprise is doomed to fail.

Maestro21:
Yea, when they are schooled and cornered they mouth of invectives. You only succeeded in exposing yourself more. You did not read my post but were talking about Jerry Curls. Hahahha.

Kenneth Copeland whose devotional you use your second Nairaland account to post is well-known in Christendom. He sends people sometimes from his church to meet with Pastor Benny Hinn. LOL. Benny Hinn says, Rev Chris is the greatest teacher of the word he has ever met..and if you know Benny Hinn, you would know he has met them all.

Why is it necessary to say that to you? I expect you to end up insulting Pastor Kenneth now, just to still protect the sanctity of a dumb argument you could not at least use 2 corroborating scriptures to back up. To the point, you even discarded Jesus' very words.

Add Dunce, fool, Buffoon to your repertoire of assaults from someone who keeps yapping on about deliverance. I told you, the places I walk into, I don't think the head of the ministry you attend will be allowed to sit in the lounge. You are talking about deliverance and even with explicatory verses saying healing..casting out demons is not deliverance..you still maintain that it is..LOL.

So Explain how Col 1:13 Paul by the holy spirit could say we are delivered already yet did not relate that to casting out any demon or healing the sick? I am in the US so our time zones are different. I can totally expose you as someone who knows absolutely nothing but to what end? Your use of English already shows that.

Bye Felicia.

Gibberish! Petty talks! mere impudence! Lamentations of a widow! That's all you have there.


You know I never checked any of your threads before I sent you to go and deliver your pastors from the demons of fornication and Jerry curling dragging them to hell, that's because I can smell you miles away, even though Its a faceless forum. Spiritually you are not in my league, you are far low to me, it will take you decades to have the Spiritual knowledge and Revelations I get from the Holy Spirit daily, I beat my chest to that!!

You said I use invectives, you did the same, right? Felicia or whatever you name yourself, be careful!!!
Well, I'm not explaining anything further because you are not worthy of my time.

eddy1977:
I have been following the discussion as well. I think the defenders of exorcisms are not willing to learn. You gave them scripture after scripture, illustration after illustration; yet they are unable to receive it. All we can do now is let them continue to be charltans and native doctors.
I am glad they have been exposed. Their folly has been exposed. Their enterprise is doomed to fail.

What can one do? Just laugh and read.

Tosinex:
Gibberish! Petty talks! mere impudence! Lamentations of a widow! That's all you have there.


You know I never checked any of your threads before I sent you to go and deliver your pastors from the demons of fornication and Jerry curling dragging them to hell, that's because I can smell you miles away, even though Its a faceless forum. Spiritually you are not in my league, you are far low to me, it will take you decades to have the Spiritual knowledge and Revelations I get from the Holy Spirit daily, I beat my chest to that!!

You said I use invectives, you did the same, right? Felicia or whatever you name yourself, be careful!!!
Well, I'm not explaining anything further because you are not worthy of my time.

You are trying to step up your game now. At least the English is becoming a lot more readable. Another credit I will not get.

You are truly a spiritual giant. If Jerry Curls is what will take people to hell. No wonder you are frustrated that I have exposed your lies. No more market to put God's people under bondage. They will read this and be delivered.

I am sorry I can't take you anymore seriously than a scriptural green horn. You could not explain the scriptures put at you and even claimed the Christian was a captive. If that is the league you are in, surely, I am not there. My own league is in christ far above the principalities and powers you think can hold people of your ilk captive.

And as far as chest beating and holy spirit revelations (wait let me laugh small ) just tell that holy spirit to first of all reveal clear scriptures to you. Chances are, the spirit you listen to is not Holy.

And Bye Felicia is a colloquial expression for sending someone off. If you were in a bourgeois milieu you would have heard it by now. Shows the places you live at. LOL.

Kid.

Maestro21

A woman called a daughter of Abraham was bound with a spirit of infirmity for eighteen years. "Ought not this woman,being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?" (Luke 13:11-16).
That was a believer.

Also,

Paul reproves the Corinthian Christians for receiving another spirit than the Spirit they had previously received (II Cor. 11:4).

You remind me of this pastor am about to tell you about...Your Christ Embassy pastor to be precise.


There was a church conference in Lagos about 4 years ago, two ministers were scheduled to preach and one of them was more like a motivational speaker while the guest preacher was a prophet (deliverance pastor).

When the first preacher (motivational speaker) climbed the pulpit, he was saying stuffs like..."glory to God, glory to God, glory to God (That God sounded like Gaad), we are a new creation....Zoe, glory to "Gaad"! witches are not real, they don't exist, glory to "Gaad"; you are more than witchcraft hallelujah hallelujah....The Greek work for power is (exousia), glory to God!!!.....and everyone was jumping and shouting preach pastor etc.

Well, he finished preaching.....here comes the 2nd preacher and the first thing he said was "somebody will die now" and the whole church went upside down, what a contrast? You can literally read their mind that they are saying where did they bring this bush man from? Anyway, the man told ushers to stand by the door because there are witches there and this is where it gets interesting because the first preacher, the "zoe" pastor got angry and walked out of the church to chill in his car till the "village pastor" round up.

Within a matter of second, the power of God hit the church and a woman began to bounce like a football, started confessing saying "beg my son, i am the one that locked the wife's womb...pls beg my son because i am the one that uses his wife's face to appear in his dream.." Now, the "zoe" pastor who went outside was hearing confessions from the loud speaker and he tiptoed into the church to see who was confessing and lo and behold, it was his mother....Zoe pastor remembering the pain, frustration, hardships that he has gone through in life, broke into tears.

When it was time for judgement prayer, the pastor told the congregation to command them to die and the zoe pastor faced his mother and said die, die die and the deliverance pastor told him no pastor, the greek word for die is ...(zoe pastor interrupted him and said no prophet, forget greek word, mama die, die, die).

Tosinex:
Gibberish! Petty talks! mere impudence! Lamentations of a widow! That's all you have there.


You know I never checked any of your threads before I sent you to go and deliver your pastors from the demons of fornication and Jerry curling dragging them to hell, that's because I can smell you miles away, even though Its a faceless forum. Spiritually you are not in my league, you are far low to me, it will take you decades to have the Spiritual knowledge and Revelations I get from the Holy Spirit daily, I beat my chest to that!!

You said I use invectives, you did the same, right? Felicia or whatever you name yourself, be careful!!!
Well, I'm not explaining anything further because you are not worthy of my time.

Forget that guy bro, I've seen his type before.

PROPHETmichael:
Maestro21

A woman called a daughter of Abraham was bound with a spirit of infirmity for eighteen years. "Ought not this woman,being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?" (Luke 13:11-16).
That was a believer.

If you need help understanding a scripture simply ask. Stop acting like you know stuff but using style to learn. I despise it.

As far as God is concerned there are children of Abraham (according to the flesh also called Jews), children of the devil (the world) and the church (where there is no distinction between Jews and Gentiles).

When Jesus came, the bible says he came unto "his own". Who is the his own? The jews. They were the people who had the covenant of God being from Abraham's lineage. And God's covenant with Abraham included provision for healing. That is why Jesus said the woman (a descendant of Abraham) deserved to be healed.

When Jesus was alive, there was no christianity. There was only Jews and Gentiles (who did not partake of the covenant). Jesus had to die and resurrect to birth christianity. The bible says part of why he died and went to hell, was to take the authority satan had over mankind in general. That authority, made mankind subject or under Satan's bondage. Jesus came and took that authority back from the devil and gave it to the CHURCH. That is what started christianity.

A believer is anyone who believes in the death and resurrection of Jesus. So if Jesus had not died, nobody could be a believer or christian. That is the simple biblical fact. Anyone who now believes in the resurrected Jesus cannot be under satan's bondage again as christ has delivered us from him and it. That is what the NT is all about.

What is the import of this? The lady above was under satan's bondage because Satan at the time still had spiritual authority to inflict things on mankind if he could work on their fear of death. The bible says exactly this. But Jesus knew that even being a daughter of the Abrahamic covenant was enough to get her healed and he healed her on that premise. The bible says in the NT, that the covenant that established the church was built on better promises than the covenants that existed prior. For e.g, In the old covenants, we deserved healing but in the new one, we deserved not to get sick. We are now over and above the one who had the power of death and hell. We have now overcome. We are now delivered and translated from darkness to light. That is genuine deliverance that Jesus wrought for us. Any other teaching is false, fabricated and demonic. If you need scriptural backing, ask politely and I would lecture you.

[s]Also,

Paul reproves the Corinthian Christians for receiving another spirit than the Spirit they had previously received (II Cor. 11:4).

You remind me of this pastor am about to tell you about...Your Christ Embassy pastor to be precise.


There was a church conference in Lagos about 4 years ago, two ministers were scheduled to preach and one of them was more like a motivational speaker while the guest preacher was a prophet (deliverance pastor).

When the first preacher (motivational speaker) climbed the pulpit, he was saying stuffs like..."glory to God, glory to God, glory to God (That God sounded like Gaad), we are a new creation, glory to "Gaad"! witches are not real, they don't exist, glory to "Gaad"; you are more than witchcraft hallelujah hallelujah....The Greek work for power is Zoe, glory to God!!!.....and everyone was jumping and shouting preach pastor etc.

Well, he finished preaching.....here comes the 2nd preacher and the first thing he said was "somebody will die now" and the whole church went upside down, what a contrast? You can literally read their mind that they are saying where did they bring this bush man from? Anyway, the man told ushers to stand by the door because there are witches there and this is where it gets interesting because the first preacher, the "zoe" pastor got angry and walked out of the church to chill in his car till the "village pastor" round up.

Within a matter of second, the power of God hit the church and a woman began to bounce like a football, started confessing saying "beg my son, i am the one that locked the wife's womb...pls beg my son because i am the one that uses his wife's face to appear in his dream.." Now, the "zoe" pastor who went outside was hearing confessions from the loud speaker and he tiptoed into the church to see who was confessing and lo and behold, it was his mother.

When it was time for judgement prayer, the pastor told the congregation to command them to die and the zoe pastor faced his mother and said die, die die and the deliverance pastor told him no pastor, the greek word for die is ...(zoe pastor interrupted him and said no prophet, forget greek word, mama die, die, die[/s]).

With respect to Paul, don't worry. If I sit you down to show you what Paul preached about what you believe you will shed tears. Paul is not in your camp. It is Paul who wrote Col 1:13 for example. So leave him out of it. I build I don't destroy.

It is for the same reason I struck out this false story you have above. It is funny that you guys always resort to fairytales when you cant use scripture. The last thing anybody will describe a CEC Pastor with is motivational. You have already missed your road with that. They are the most worded teachers of the gospel worldwide and the evidence shows in their lives. If I talk about it, all the books in the world will not be enough.

Your story is actually pathetic because the person who conjured up the story does not even know what is taught in CEC. They might have as well used PMB and not a CEC pastor in the story and it will make sense. A busy CEC Pastor will leave what he is doing to discuss in a conference with babies and walk out angry when they don't agree with him? LOL. If you let any CEC Pastor preach before any pastor, the other Pastor will have nothing to say after because he would feel like he just started reading his bible from that point.

The funniest part of the whole story is that you were the one not too long ago quoting how we do not wrestle against "flesh and blood" only to turn around now in this false story to be shouting die die die..to a human being (flesh and blood). And even if you want to claim they were shouting die to the demonic forces working through the woman, demons do not die. So imagine demons listening to you yelling at them die die die. They will just be laughing at how ignorant that person is.

I have spent so much time entertaining myself with this post. Hahahahahahahahaha. Satan is a liar.

Maestro21:
If you need help understanding a scripture simply ask. Stop acting like you know stuff but using style to learn.

The funniest part of the whole story is that you were the one not too long ago quoting how we do not wrestle against "flesh and blood" only to turn around now in this false story to be shouting die die die..to a human being (flesh and blood). And even if you want to claim they were shouting die to the demonic forces working through the woman, demons do not die. So imagine demons listening to you yelling at them die die die. They will just be laughing at how ignorant that person is.

I have spent so much time entertaining myself with this post. Hahahahahahahahaha. Satan is a liar.

In the thread, "Why I Left Christ Embassy Church" jnrbayano asked you:-

"Can the devil perform signs, wonders and mighty deeds as talked about in the bible verse you put forward. Yes or no? Stop dancing around."

This was your answer:-


"No the devil cannot perform signs, wonders and mighty deeds" Maestro21 12:56am On Jul 08, 2017

Chai!!!!! SMH
That says it all about your biblical knowledge. Do have a fantastic day but I pity your congregation.

PROPHETmicheal, nice super story you got there.
Are you a script writer?

bloodofthelamb:
PROPHETmicheal, nice super story you got there.

Are you a script writer?

Imagine o.

Dan1cole:
Here in Nigeria, we have become very conversant with certain acclaimed 'Church' congregations that portray themselves as deliverance ministries. Where people mostly go to get delivered from various 'demonic' oppression and satanic influence in their lives; usually done in a seemingly acrobatic fashion.

Though these so called deliverance ministries might appear scriptural and good, I wouldn't advise any Christian or potential Christian to go to such places.
Some reasons being:

1. Deficiency Of God's Word

In deliverance ministries you hardly hear or see the Word of God preached properly. Due to the fact that in most cases the deliverance ministers attribute little or no time to building or grounding themselves in the Word of God. Hence, how can they preach good and anointed messages full of grace to their congregations when they didn't take time to learn or study themselves.
And one thing they fail to know is that anything (deliverance, church congregation, etc) not grounded on the Word of God is bound to fade away.

If a deliverance minister pushes your head and make you throw yourself down to the floor, and 'delivers' you, but does not sow seeds of God's Word into your soul. My dear, Jesus says, 'your latter state will be worse than your former.' Because the satanic oppression and influence in your life will be minimum 7-fold.--(See Luke 11:24-26)

2. Satan Conciousness

As Christians, attributing any form of power or authority to the devil is as a result of sheer ignorance.
In deliverance ministries, they (knowing or unknowingly) magnify satan alot instead of magnifying God. You hear the ministers talking more about the devil, mosttimes almost more than they talk about God. And this incites a sense of satan-consciousness in the minds and hearts of their congregation.

My advice to Christians and potential Christians is that if you find yourself in a congregation where there is no palpable or strong Word base or ground; or where they're always talking about demons, evil spirits and the likes, pls get out from such a congregation; it is toxic.

I quite agree with you sir.

luvmijeje:
Itusile. OP, You have raised good points. My issue with deliverance programmes is that it doesn't tackle the problem rather it tackle the symptoms. What do I mean? Every source of problems always emanate from the person that needs deliverance. Rather than point the truth to them, they will start telling them it's someone or something that's causing their problem. God will continue helping them.

You are quite correct ma. Some so called prophet(esse)s and deliverance ministers focus more on real or imaginary causes of people's problems rather than solving it. They tend to instill suspicious spirits into their 'clients' leading them to make more enemies than friends. The funny thing being that the ignorant 'deliverees' keep on coming for deliverance for endless years whereas Christ delivered the possessed and oppressed once and for all (except such a one goes back to sin - John 5:14).

PROPHETmichael:
In the thread, "Why I Left Christ Embassy Church" jnrbayano asked you:-

"Can the devil perform signs, wonders and mighty deeds as talked about in the bible verse you put forward. Yes or no? Stop dancing around."

This was your answer:-


"No the devil cannot perform signs, wonders and mighty deeds" Maestro21 12:56am On Jul 08, 2017

Chai!!!!! SMH
That says it all about your biblical knowledge. Do have a fantastic day but I pity your congregation.

Once they cannot refute scriptures, they veer off topic. Look at someone whose false teachings I have been exposing one after the other, turning around to question my biblical knowledge. What will we not read on NL biko?

FYI, If you believe Satan can perform Signs, Wonders and Mighty deeds as described by Jesus and Paul, start up another thread and invite me. I will destroy your false teachings like I have been doing here.

UnchangeableGod:
You are quite correct ma. Some so called prophet(esse)s and deliverance ministers focus more on real or imaginary causes of people's problems rather than solving it. They tend to instill suspicious spirits into their 'clients' leading them to make more enemies than friends. The funny thing being that the ignorant 'deliverees' keep on coming for deliverance for endless years whereas Christ delivered the possessed and oppressed once and for all (except such a one goes back to sin - John 5:14).

Which is what I was trying to tell them.

Maestro21:
Which is what I was trying to tell them.

May God help them to understand.