In John 14:28 Jesus clearly states, The Father (Jehovah) is greater than Him but never mentioned the relationship between him and the Holy Spirit. In fact, I can't see anywhere in the Bible Jesus speaks about Holy Spirit being God.
Jesus always talks about Himself being in The Father and vice versa.

Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 14:10 NKJV


Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 14:11 NKJV

At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
John 14:20 NKJV


I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 17:23 NKJV
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There are many other Bible verses Jesus only speaks about himself and the Father but never talks about the Holy Spirit until He said he'll send a comforter.

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 14:16‭-‬17 NKJV

The above is Jesus' description of the Holy Spirit (He called him a Helper) which would be sent by God...

How come people refer to Holy Spirit as God ? and If He's God, is He greater than Jesus ?

NOTE: I'M A BELIEVER I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATIONS.


Modified: Changed Greatest to Greater

Na Ur type dy do over Sabi back in primary school days...

Any small thing, u go rush and report to teacher....

You asked question,you answered yourself and still demand another answer..!!

Ok lemme answer you; who is the head of the family when grand father is still alive??

(A) grand pa

(B) Father

(C)1st Born

?Note: I'm a Christian.. I just need some clarification..

Kingdollar28:


Na Ur type dy do over Sabi back in primary school days...

Any small thing, u go rush and report to teacher....

You asked question,you answered yourself and still demand another answer..!!

Ok lemme answer you; who is the head of the family when grand father is still alive??

(A) grand pa

(B) Father

(C)1st Born

?Note: I'm a Christian.. I just need some clarification..

To answer you question, Grandpa is the head.

Now substitute Father, Son and Holy spirit into your list.

Let's represent Jehovah as Grandpa, which is A in your list, Who is B and C ?

Greater you mean, between Two Supreme Spirits? The Two are in absolutus Libramentum(perfect-equilibrium) with God !!!

orisa37:
Greater you mean, between Two Supreme Spirits? The Two are in absolutus Libramentum(perfect-equilibrium) with God !!!

How come Jesus didn't mention Him along with the Father ?
Jesus called Him a Helper, an angel could also be a Helper.

(A) grand pa. Expired and infirmed.
(B) Father. The Igweeeee.
(C)1st Born. Crown Prince.
You are an Amadioraian.

This Helper is either God or Christ in It and It is The only Spirit that can tranmit you to Eternity. It is a Godly Angel.

The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a manifestation of the same thing : God . So none of them is greater . In fact, there is a certain equality among them , especially when it comes to decision making . Take a look at Genesis1:26 and Genesis 11:7. Hope this helps .

iamwhat:
In John 14:28 Jesus clearly states, The Father (Jehovah) is greater than Him but never mentioned the relationship between him and the Holy Spirit. In fact, I can't see anywhere in the Bible Jesus speaks about Holy Spirit being God.
Jesus always talks about Himself being in The Father and vice versa.

Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 14:10 NKJV


Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 14:11 NKJV

At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
John 14:20 NKJV


I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 17:23 NKJV
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.
.
There are many other Bible verses Jesus only speaks about himself and the Father but never talks about the Holy Spirit until He said he'll send a comforter.

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 14:16‭-‬17 NKJV

The above is Jesus' description of the Holy Spirit (He called him a Helper) which would be sent by God...

How come people refer to Holy Spirit as God ? and If He's God, is He greater than Jesus ?

NOTE: I'M A BELIEVER I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATIONS.


Modified: Changed Greatest to Greater

I hope you've had a better clarification now sir.
They are Co-equal because they are One and the same God, just different manifestations of Him depending on the need and responsibility that had to be fulfilled.

The Holy Spirit is however the Unlimited Jesus Christ. He is actually the Spirit of Christ.
As a human/flesh, Jesus Christ was limited. His Power could only be manifested where He physically was.
But as the Holy Spirit, His power is available everywhere in the world and beyond at the same time, every time.

More Grace and Wisdom to us all.

iamwhat:
In John 14:28 Jesus clearly states, The Father (Jehovah) is greater than Him
but never mentioned the relationship between him and the Holy Spirit.
In fact, I can't see anywhere in the Bible Jesus speaks about Holy Spirit being God.
Jesus always talks about Himself being in The Father and vice versa.

Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?
The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority;
but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 14:10 NKJV

Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 14:11 NKJV

At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
John 14:20 NKJV


I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one,
and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 17:23 NKJV
.
.
.
There are many other Bible verses Jesus only speaks about himself and the Father
but never talks about the Holy Spirit until He said he'll send a comforter.

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth,
whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him;
but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 14:16‭-‬17 NKJV

The above is Jesus' description of the Holy Spirit (He called him a Helper) which would be sent by God...

How come people refer to Holy Spirit as God? and If He's God, is He greater than Jesus ?

NOTE: I'M A BELIEVER I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATIONS.


Modified: Changed Greatest to Greater

pressplay411:
I hope you've had a better clarification now sir.
They are Co-equal because they are One and the same God,
just different manifestations of Him depending on the need and responsibility that had to be fulfilled.

The Holy Spirit is however the Unlimited Jesus Christ. He is actually the Spirit of Christ.
As a human/flesh, Jesus Christ was limited. His Power could only be manifested where He physically was.
But as the Holy Spirit, His power is available everywhere in the world and beyond at the same time, every time.

More Grace and Wisdom to us all.

pressplay411 in his brilliant post not touching on who is greater between Jesus and Holy Spirit moved me to chip in this.

People refer to the Holy Spirit as God
because the Holy Spirit is recognised as coming from God
and rightly seen as part, that makes up the Godhead

Though the Holy Spirit belongs naturally in the Godhead
people dont pray to the Holy Spirit, like when or as if praying to God.

The role and function of the Holy Spirit is making things happen and/or possible.
It enables another and/or others, to achieve an end, mission or purpose
It does this by giving power, means, competence or ability to accomplish or excel

The Father is greater than Jesus and Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit
Where Jesus obeys the Father unquestioningly, the Holy Spirit obeys the Father and Jesus unquestioningly.
Where Jesus does the will of the Father unquestioningly, the Holy Spirit does the will of the Father and Jesus unquestioningly.
In summation Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit

MuttleyLaff:


pressplay411 in his brilliant post not touching on who is greater between Jesus and Holy Spirit moved me to chip in this.

People refer to the Holy Spirit as God
because the Holy Spirit is recognised as coming from God
and rightly seen as part, that makes up the Godhead

Though the Holy Spirit belongs naturally in the Godhead
people dont pray to the Holy Spirit, like when or as if praying to God.

The role and function of the Holy Spirit is making things happen and/or possible.
It enables another and/or others, to achieve an end, mission or purpose
It does this by giving power, means, competence or ability to accomplish or excel

The Father is greater than Jesus and Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit
Where Jesus obeys the Father unquestioningly, the Holy Spirit obeys the Father and Jesus unquestioningly.
Where Jesus does the will of the Father unquestioningly, the Holy Spirit does the will of the Father and Jesus unquestioningly.
In summation Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit

Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

Verbal somersault everywhere.
"Holy spirit is recognized as coming from God" https://www.merriam-webbster.com/dictionary.
Definition of come from:
"To have a specified source or origin"
Yahweh is the source or originator of the holy spirit. The holy spirit is not God .
Likewise Christ Jesus.
"The Word became flesh.... who came from the Father" John 1:14

In plain language, each poster on this thread came from his father & mother.
What does that statement of fact teach U guys about Jesus coming from the Father ? How did God become Father to Jesus? Trinity peddlers, Pls Explain.
That U are your father & your father is U. Just one. Co-equal. Shey?


"..And you will know that I am in my father, and you in me, and I in you " John 20:11.
vs 11 says that the Father, Jesus & his apostles form the Trinity. (Are U guys gonna twist what Christ said?)

"OP, ask them Trinity peddlers, why is it that neither Christ nor the holy spirit never gave any command to God ?
Ask them to show U in the Bible where God obeyed the holy spirit ?

Whereas in the holy scriptures Christ Jesus said he is speaking & teaching what his Father
Yahweh taught him. John 7:16.

OP,"Iamwhat",pls keep asking them questions. Don't let them confuse U ,as U can see, they are confused, themselves.
U will soon see that the Trinity is a well packaged falsehood.

pressplay411:


Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

Jesus said: "I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I " John14:28

"These words you hear are not my own;They belong to the Father (Yahweh) who sent me" John 14: 24.

Between U & Jesus, who lied ?

pressplay411:
Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

""I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;"
- John 14:16

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than I"
- John 14:28

"“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father,
he will bear witness about me."
- John 15:26

The sum and substance of the Godhead (i.e. the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit) is that they're co-equal
yet it doesnt stop the Holy Spirit being submissive to the Jesus, just as Jesus is submissive to the Father

So parroting Jesus, the Father is greater than Jesus
and hitting off from the above submissive context, Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit

pressplay411:


Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

Jesus said: "I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I " John14:28

"These words you hear are not my own;They belong to the Father (Yahweh) who sent me" John 14: 24.

Between U & Jesus, who lied ?

Prove it with the holy scripture that God obeyed any command given by Jesus or by the holy spirit.

What does the word "Father" actually mean to U?
What did Jesus mean by calling God "the Father" & himself, "the son of God"?

OneJ:


Jesus said: "I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I " John14:28

"These words you hear are not my own;They belong to the Father (Yahweh) who sent me" John 14: 24.

Between U & Jesus, who lied ?

May God give us all understanding.

Shelumiel:
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a manifestation of the same thing : God . So none of them is greater . In fact, there is a certain equality among them , especially when it comes to decision making . Take a look at Genesis1:26 and Genesis 11:7. Hope this helps .

John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

About decision making....

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

The Son does only the will of the Father never the other way.

The Father has always been the one dishing out commands and instructions from Genesis to Revelation not the other way.

The Father empowers the son and gives him authority both in heaven and on earth. Matt. 28:18

The Father is greater than all.

Read 1 Cor 15:28, you can start from verse 24 and read all through for better understanding

Shalom aleikhem

pressplay411:


Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

Jesus - "the father is greater than i" (John 14:28)

OneJ:


Jesus said: "I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I " John14:28

"These words you hear are not my own;They belong to the Father (Yahweh) who sent me" John 14: 24.

Between U & Jesus, who lied ?

The scriptures is always right. We just need better understanding of it.
They are the same one God.
Can God be greater than Himself?

Can your spirit be greater than your soul or your flesh?
You are the same.
Why compare yourself to yourself?

Muttleylaff
Maamin
Good morning sirs.

pressplay411:
Thanks sir.
But there's no comparison in the Kingdom.
There's no greater than. They are Co-equal.
May God give us more understanding.

OneJ:
Jesus said:
"I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I"
John14:28

"These words you hear are not my own;They belong to the Father (Yahweh) who sent me"
John 14: 24.

Between U & Jesus, who lied ?

pressplay411:
The scriptures is always right. We just need better understanding of it.
They are the same one God.
Can God be greater than Himself?

God cannot and is not greater than Himself
but the Father is greater than the Son, Jesus Christ
You do accept and agree that the Father is greater than the Son, dont you?

pressplay411:
Can your spirit be greater than your soul or your flesh?
You are the same.
Why compare yourself to yourself?
Maamin
Good morning sir.

What is the most important out of all the three (i.e. body/flesh, spirit and soul)?

MuttleyLaff:




God cannot and is not greater than Himself
but the Father is greater than the Son, Jesus Christ
You do accept and agree that the Father is greater than the Son, dont you?

What is the most important out of all the three (i.e. body/flesh, spirit and soul)?

I see your point.

Maamin:


John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

About decision making....

John 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

The Son does only the will of the Father never the other way.

The Father has always been the one dishing out commands and instructions from Genesis to Revelation not the other way.

The Father empowers the son and gives him authority both in heaven and on earth. Matt. 28:18

The Father is greater than all.

Read 1 Cor 15:28, you can start from verse 24 and read all through for better understanding

Shalom aleikhem

The Father is greater than all , but yet He seeks the consent of lesser Beings (Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) to make decisions (Genesis1:26 and Genesis11:7), right ? Is that showing you He is greater than all ? If I say I am greater than my Father, but yet my Father still seeks my opinion for decision making it does not make him greater than me in anyway. Please get the understanding of the scriptures through the Holy Spirit; for it is impossible to read and understand the Bible without the wisdom of God through the Holy Spirit.

Shelumiel:
The Father is greater than all , but yet He seeks the consent of lesser Beings (Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) to make decisions (Genesis1:26 and Genesis11:7), right ? Is that showing you He is greater than all ? If I say I am greater than my Father, but yet my Father still seeks my opinion for decision making it does not make him greater than me in anyway. Please get the understanding of the scriptures through the Holy Spirit; for it is impossible to read and understand the Bible without the wisdom of God through the Holy Spirit.

Jesus himself said " the Father is greater than I".
U wanna twist Christ's word or U lack the sense to understand it ?

Besides, U are getting it wrong.
In Gen 11:7,& 1:26, God did not seek the consent or opinions of anyone.
Rather, HE led Jesus& the angels to carry out the idea that HE (Yahweh) originated..
Yahweh ALWAYS SAID " Let us make make man...."
"Let us go & confuse their language" (at Nimrod's tower of Babel)
U can see that it was Yahweh's idea , thought & desire that everyone else obeyed & key into....

Right there in heaven Christ & the angels were receptive/submissive to Yahweh's Supreme authority & direction.
Imagine a Father telling his children:" We are going to the farm ..."

Should we now conclude that each person present there, is coequal with him who made that statement," We are going to the farm...." ?

[quote author=Shelumiel post=72098098] The Father is greater than all , but yet He seeks the consent of lesser Beings (Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) to make decisions (Genesis1:26 and Genesis11:7), right ? Is that showing you He is greater than all ?

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

How are those two verses seeking if consent? those are rather instructions ok.

[s]If I say I am greater than my Father, but yet my Father still seeks my opinion for decision making it does not make him greater than me in anyway. Please get the understanding of the scriptures through the Holy Spirit; for it is impossible to read and understand the Bible without the wisdom of God through the Holy Spirit. [/s]

Weak! The scripture says otherwise.

Let every man be a liar, and God be true

[quote author=Maamin post=72102370][/quote] My problem with you is reading . Please why will God be seeking consent with the 'Us' term ? Why please ?If He so powerful and capable of making the decisions, then why would be saying Us? Lol. ..or does your god require permission of others to do things?

pressplay411:


The scriptures is always right. We just need better understanding of it.
They are the same one God.
Can God be greater than Himself?

Can your spirit be greater than your soul or your flesh?
You are the same.
Why compare yourself to yourself?

Muttleylaff
Maamin
Good morning sirs.

I see that your understanding of body,spirit and soul needs to be addressed as well.

Who sent the holy spirit and the son?

Can the begeted be greater than the begeter?...the father is no subject to any one but the son is subject to the father 1 Cor 15:28

As for body spirit and soul. The spirit is greater and controls the physical. The soul is not a separate part but the entire package that is ( spirit+body=living soul)

OneJ:



Jesus himself said " the Father is greater than I".
U wanna twist Christ's word or U lack the sense to understand it ?

Besides, U are getting it wrong.
In Gen 11:7,& 1:26, God did not seek the consent or opinions of anyone.
Rather, HE led Jesus& the angels to carry out the idea that HE (Yahweh) originated..
Yahweh ALWAYS SAID " Let us make make man...."
"Let us go & confuse their language" (at Nimrod's tower of Babel)
U can see that it was Yahweh's idea , thought & desire that everyone else obeyed & key into....

Right there in heaven Christ & the angels were receptive/submissive to Yahweh's Supreme authority & direction.
Imagine a Father telling his children:" We are going to the farm ..."

Should we now conclude that each person present there, is coequal with him who made that statement," We are going to the farm...." ?

...so Yahweh is seeking consent from lesser beings right ? So an all-powerful God , needs the consent of His creatures to to do stuff , right ? Guy, I didn't you were f**king stupid .

Shelumiel:
My problem with you is reading . Please why will God be seeking consent with the 'Us' term ? Why please ?If He so powerful and capable of making the decisions, then why would be saying Us? Lol. ..or does your god require permission of others to do things?

Your own problem is understanding simple English.

How are those verses seeking consent for crying out loud?

What is the difference between

"Let us make" and "should we make?"

"Let us go down" and "should we go down?"

The scripture is true..you on the other side is falsifying it.

Maamin:


Your own problem is understanding simple English.

How are those verses seeking consent for crying out loud?

What is the difference between

"Let us make" and "should we make?"

"Let us go down" and "should we go down?"

The scripture is true..you on the other side is falsifying it.

It's too early for stupidity. Just read the f**king verse and come up with a logical explanation why God , will be seeking consent from things less significant than Him .

Maamin:
I see that your understanding of body, spirit and soul needs to be addressed as well.

Who sent the holy spirit and the son?

Can the begeted be greater than the begeter?...the father is no subject to any one but the son is subject to the father 1 Cor 15:28

As for body spirit and soul. The spirit is greater and controls the physical. The soul is not a separate part but the entire package that is ( spirit+body=living soul)

What is the most important out of all the three,
as in, the body/flesh, spirit and soul,
with spirit not be mistaken for the Holy Spirit though?

pressplay411:


The scriptures is always right. We just need better understanding of it.
They are the same one God.
Can God be greater than Himself?

Can your spirit be greater than your soul or your flesh?
You are the same.
Why compare yourself to yourself?

Muttleylaff
Maamin
Good morning sirs.

"They are the same God"
Lie. LIE. LIE !!!!!!

"Can God be be greater than himself? "

But your brain has refused to understand the implications of this million dollar question.

Can Jesus be that same person that he agreed is greater than him ,Jesus? No.

Is Jesus equal with the Father ,the God greater than him Jesus? John 14:28 is too straight forward to be twisted.
.
Jesus said: "NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN GOD" ("No man hath seen God at anytime"
"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God. ONLY he has seen the Father" John 6:46. John 1:18.

Jesus told me he is not Yahweh. No man hath seen Yahweh at anytime.