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Re: Mercedes Benz by Nobody: 11:46pm On Aug 01, 2018
HeavenlyBang:
Sure thing, I no run. PH no far from here, na 2 hrs drive.
ok bro.i go halla wen its time
Re: Mercedes Benz by smellingmenses: 12:07am On Aug 02, 2018
you are saying almost same thing, but the car in question ain't turbocharged... the 2005 c230k is supercharged hence more fuel consumption....turbocharged engines consume less fuel

nwanneni:
You are wrong in 2 places
1)kompressor=supercharger and not turbocharger
2)turbo charger does not increase consumption since as it only collects exhaust fumes,cools it and resend it(air) to the engine while supercharger sucks power directly from the engine by the serpentine belt driving it.
Re: Mercedes Benz by Nobody: 12:10am On Aug 02, 2018
smellingmenses:
you are saying almost same thing, but the car in question ain't turbocharged... the 2005 c230k is supercharged hence more fuel consumption....turbocharged engines consume less fuel
i was just correcting the girl on some things.
Don't even know the car in question
Re: Mercedes Benz by smellingmenses: 1:04am On Aug 02, 2018
nwanneni:
i was just correcting the girl (RUDE) on some things.
Don't even know the car in question
rude.
Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks:
HeavenlyBang:
1. Kompressor means supercharger, not turbocharger.
2. Saying that a car with a turbo is less gas efficient than a NA one fails to take into consideration the fact that turbos are used as walk-arounds over bigger NA engines. A 3.0L V6 will guzzle more gas than a turbocharged 2.3L i4, all things being equal, and both with have similar power outputs. There's a reason why manufacturers like Honda are starting to phase out NA V6's in favour of charged i4's.
1. Seriously, your beef is that I didn't say super instead of turbo? Do you really think that distinction was necessary for a lay person? Semantics over whether it's external air versus the exhaust providing the extra power? Does that negate the point I was making that it has nothing to do with comparison to the 4matic as they are two completely different systems in a car? Interesting how the use of turbo didn't get your panties in a bunch earlier when a guy said it smiley

2. Again, your argument has nothing to do with the comparison I was making. A turbo charged 4cyl is less fuel efficient than a regular 4 cyl. What in my statement made you think I was comparing 4s to 6s? I clearly said compared to the boost you get from the turbo charger, the additional consumption is not worth it. Does a turbo charged 4 give you more power than a 6? No. It gives you more power than a regular four.

Thanks for the mansplain but next time, make sure your assumption is what was being talked about first.

*Oh, and since we are nitpicking, work-arounds
Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks:
nwanneni:
You are wrong in 2 places
1)kompressor=supercharger and not turbocharger
2)turbo charger does not increase consumption since as it only collects exhaust fumes,cools it and resend it(air) to the engine while supercharger sucks power directly from the engine by the serpentine belt driving it.
Turbo chargers do increase fuel consumption. Again, to get better fuel consumption with a turbo charger, you'd have to reduce engine size. That's why instead of v6, manufacturers will put a turbo 4 which brings us back to smaller engine=smaller fuel consumption. Just like the mistake your buddy made in willful misinterpretation of my previous answer, a turbo charged 4 is not going to be more fuel efficient than a regular 4.

I'll make it easy for you. Go look up two versions of the same car and look at the manufacturer mpgs then come back and apologize.

If you're more cerebral, then read https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/globe-drive/adventure/red-line/the-trouble-with-turbos-why-fuel-economy-can-be-worse-not-better/article29705614/


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Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks: 1:48am On Aug 02, 2018
nwanneni:
i was just correcting the girl on some things.
Don't even know the car in question
And I'm not a girl, boy. I'm a woman smiley
Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks: 2:00am On Aug 02, 2018
smellingmenses:
rude.
Hold my beer I got this grin
Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks:
nwanneni:
You are wrong in 2 places
1)kompressor=supercharger and not turbocharger
2)turbo charger does not increase consumption since as it only collects exhaust fumes,cools it and resend it(air) to the engine while supercharger sucks power directly from the engine by the serpentine belt driving it.
And just in case you're feeling unrepentant, here's another that hits even closer to home. I've given you one super and one turbo.

Boys shouldn't play women's games. lipsrsealed

Re: Mercedes Benz by mammanbawa:
Modified
The only latest model with a supercharger is the new CLS and they're giving it another fancy name cos it works differently unlike the regular supercharger
Turbo charger has an edge over super charger not because it's more fuel efficient but because it doesn't suck up engine power to give that boost
Turbochargers also fail on the long run and cost an arm and leg to fix cos it badly affects the engine
Which is why I'm a fan of NA engines no matter how big they are
Who gets a v6 or v8 and still worry about fuel consumption anyway?
Re: Mercedes Benz by obekediamondfuto(m): 6:38am On Aug 02, 2018
mammanbawa:
Oga heavenlybag
Kompressor does not necessarily mean supercharged
Mercedes stopped using superchargers from 2007
All w204 kompressors are turbocharged
The only latest model with a supercharger is the new CLS and they're giving it another fancy name cos it works differently unlike the regular supercharger
Turbo charger has an edge over super charger not because it's more fuel efficient but because it doesn't suck up engine power to give that boost
Turbochargers also fail on the long run and cost an arm and leg to fix cos it badly affects the engine
Which is why I'm a fan of NA engines no matter how big they are
Who gets a v6 or v8 and still worry about fuel consumption anyway?
people still do
cc pipedreams
Re: Mercedes Benz by Nobody: 8:24am On Aug 02, 2018
radautoworks:
And just in case you're feeling unrepentant, here's another that hits even closer to home. I've given you one super and one turbo.

Boys shouldn't play women's games. lipsrsealed
worthless argument!just posting factless random materials.
I am talking from a very solid engineering background.
If you say turbos increase fuel consumption,then i have to stop exchanging words with you girl cos indeed you dont know anything about physics let alone engineering.
Have a nice day
Re: Mercedes Benz by HeavenlyBang(m): 8:27am On Aug 02, 2018
mammanbawa:
Oga heavenlybag
Kompressor does not necessarily mean supercharged
Mercedes stopped using superchargers from 2007
All w204 kompressors are turbocharged
The only latest model with a supercharger is the new CLS and they're giving it another fancy name cos it works differently unlike the regular supercharger
Turbo charger has an edge over super charger not because it's more fuel efficient but because it doesn't suck up engine power to give that boost
Turbochargers also fail on the long run and cost an arm and leg to fix cos it badly affects the engine
Which is why I'm a fan of NA engines no matter how big they are
Who gets a v6 or v8 and still worry about fuel consumption anyway?
The W204 C180K and C200K are supercharged, not turbocharged. Turbocharged Mercs don't carry the Kompressor badge AFAIK.

Also, I know the differences between a turbocharger and a supercharger, no need to educate me, thank you very much.

I'm also a fan of NA engines, so we can agree on that.

radautoworks:
As far as 4matic vs kompressor, you are comparing apples to oranges. 4matic is Mercedes 4 wheel drive system whereas kompressor means it's a turbo charged engine. Turbo=more fuel consumption which IMHO is not worth the power boost in this class. Also, harder to maintain should something go wrong.


Get the c230 and be done with it. If you think you need 4wd because of where you live, get the 4matic. Ignore the kompressor as it's the opposite of your stated concern.
This comment implies that any car with a charger should be ignored if the prospective buyer is in the market for a vehicle with good gas mileage. No shite, if two cars have the same engine displacement and one of them is charged on top of that, the charged one will guzzle more gas. Isn't that common sense?

My entire comment was pointing out the fact that a car having a charger usually means the manufacturer has opted for a smaller engine, which is helpful for gas mileage, not otherwise as your statement implied. Case in point, W203 C230K vs C240. Supercharged 1.8L i4 vs NA 2.6L V6. The C230K has more power, more torque, and is also more fuel efficient. What's not to love?
Re: Mercedes Benz by Nobody: 8:29am On Aug 02, 2018
smellingmenses:
rude.
no one asked your opinion.
You are not our(radauto & i) parent.looking for issues where there is none,typical of a fat stupid kid
Re: Mercedes Benz by Nobody: 8:34am On Aug 02, 2018
HeavenlyBang:
The W204 C180K and C200K are supercharged, not turbocharged. Turbocharged Mercs don't carry the Kompressor badge AFAIK.

Also, I know the differences between a turbocharger and a supercharger, no need to educate me, thank you very much.

I'm also a fan of NA engines, so we can agree on that.



This comment implies that any car with a charger should be ignored if the prospective buyer is in the market for a vehicle with good gas mileage. No shite, if two cars have the same engine displacement and one of them is charged on top of that, the charged one will guzzle more gas. Isn't that common sense?

My entire comment was pointing out the fact that a car having a charger usually means the manufacturer has opted for a smaller engine, which is helpful for gas mileage, not otherwise as your statement implied. Case in point, W203 C230K vs C240. Supercharged 1.8L i4 vs NA 2.6L V6. The C230K has more power, more torque, and is also more fuel efficient. What's not to love?
oga i too love the way you state facts with charisma.leave all these wannabes that just want to argue for the sake of arguing!
Imagine that one saying mercedes dropped supercharger for turbos and renamed it kompressor bla bla bla bla .....and the shit is endless
Re: Mercedes Benz by mammanbawa: 9:07am On Aug 02, 2018
HeavenlyBang:
The W204 C180K and C200K are supercharged, not turbocharged. Turbocharged Mercs don't carry the Kompressor badge AFAIK.

Also, I know the differences between a turbocharger and a supercharger, no need to educate me, thank you very much.

I'm also a fan of NA engines, so we can agree on that.



This comment implies that any car with a charger should be ignored if the prospective buyer is in the market for a vehicle with good gas mileage. No shite, if two cars have the same engine displacement and one of them is charged on top of that, the charged one will guzzle more gas. Isn't that common sense?

My entire comment was pointing out the fact that a car having a charger usually means the manufacturer has opted for a smaller engine, which is helpful for gas mileage, not otherwise as your statement implied. Case in point, W203 C230K vs C240. Supercharged 1.8L i4 vs NA 2.6L V6. The C230K has more power, more torque, and is also more fuel efficient. What's not to love?
W204 kompressors are turbocharged

I'll edit my post
I was made to believe the w204 kompressors are turbocharged
Not anymore
Thanks for the info anyway
Re: Mercedes Benz by mammanbawa: 9:09am On Aug 02, 2018
obekediamondfuto:
people still do
cc pipedreams
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Re: Mercedes Benz by mammanbawa: 9:09am On Aug 02, 2018
nwanneni:
oga i too love the way you state facts with charisma.leave all these wannabes that just want to argue for the sake of arguing!
Imagine that one saying mercedes dropped supercharger for turbos and renamed it kompressor bla bla bla bla .....and the shit is endless
I was misinformed and made to believe Mercedes dropped supercharger after 2007
Cheers
Re: Mercedes Benz by Nobody: 10:26am On Aug 02, 2018
mammanbawa:
I was misinformed and made to believe Mercedes dropped supercharger after 2007
Cheers
no p.u are a real man
We always accept when we go wrong
Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks:
nwanneni:
worthless argument!just posting factless random materials.
I am talking from a very solid engineering background.
If you say turbos increase fuel consumption,then i have to stop exchanging words with you girl cos indeed you dont know anything about physics let alone engineering.
Have a nice day
Poor baby. Which facts upset you? The lengthy article from people who study cars for a living or the pictures from the people who actually make the cars? Oya Pele smiley

I should have known you were fragile from the other thread. Having pictures of cars on your wall does not constitute a solid engineering background wink It's not fair for someone with five degrees (four in science and three advanced I might add) to argue with someone who seems to have barely managed one.

Oya, I won't shame you again. Don't cry o! Sorry!
Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks:
HeavenlyBang:
This comment implies that any car with a charger should be ignored if the prospective buyer is in the market for a vehicle with good gas mileag[/b]e.

No shite, if two cars have the same engine displacement and one of them is charged on top of that, the charged one will guzzle more gas. [b]Isn't that common sense
?

My entire comment was pointing out the fact that a car having a charger usually means the manufacturer has opted for a smaller engine, which is helpful for gas mileage, not otherwise as your statement implied. Case in point, W203 C230K vs C240. Supercharged 1.8L i4 vs NA 2.6L V6. The C230K has more power, more torque, and is also more fuel efficient. What's not to love?
My comment doesn't imply anything. It clearly states what I mean. The OP asked Please which c class is fuel economical, is it the c230, c320, c240. My response deals with the OP's needs and not yours. This buyer should ignore this vehicle because of his situation.

I would have thought so which is why your response to me was useless.

Again, no implication here. Pretty sure that's exactly what MY comments said.
I know it can be hard but pay attention. Again, my comparison was c230 vs c230k and came with pictures for you smiley

Argue based on what the other party said, not what you think they said.

I know it's hard to admit you've been owned so I'll just forgive you wink
Re: Mercedes Benz by smellingmenses: 10:32pm On Aug 02, 2018
nwanneni:
no one asked your opinion.
You are not our(radauto & i) parent.looking for issues where there is none,typical of a fat stupid kid
rude.
Re: Mercedes Benz by Nobody: 10:43pm On Aug 02, 2018
smellingmenses:
rude.
i appreciate
Re: Mercedes Benz by jaypee2020: 3:37pm On Oct 09, 2018
Please House a lot has been said about c class that i am getting confused, can someone summarize this in the other of their 1) Maintenance cost 2)Fuel economy and 3) Reliability. My spacial Thanks goes to HeavenlyBang and others you guys knows what time is it my brothers. I will also like to know about E class. Thanks everyone.
Re: Mercedes Benz by radautoworks:
jaypee2020:
Please House a lot has been said about c class that i am getting confused, can someone summarize this in the other of their 1) Maintenance cost 2)Fuel economy and 3) Reliability. My spacial Thanks goes to HeavenlyBang and others you guys knows what time is it my brothers. I will also like to know about E class. Thanks everyone.
Both good vehicles in both respects. Think of c class as the Corolla of Mercedes and E as Camry.
Re: Mercedes Benz by mammanbawa: 8:03pm On Oct 09, 2018
jaypee2020:
Please House a lot has been said about c class that i am getting confused, can someone summarize this in the other of their 1) Maintenance cost 2)Fuel economy and 3) Reliability. My spacial Thanks goes to HeavenlyBang and others you guys knows what time is it my brothers. I will also like to know about E class. Thanks everyone.
The w203 was produced from 01-07
It was facelifted in 06 I think
That was when the c240 and 320 were dropped for the c280 and c350 with the introduction of the m272 engines into the line up
Definitely the 4 cylinder versions are more fuel economical which is why I'll advise you to go for the c230 kompressor
It's got sporty looks, a fuel economical 189hp 1.8l supercharged i4 engine
It's quite fast for a car of its kind
The 2006/7 c230 with the 2.5l 209hp v6 engine has balance shaft issues on the long run but you're good to go if it's fixed well.
It looks better, faster and it's more fuel consuming though the difference is not much.
I'll go for the c230 v6 if I were you
The c280 balances between the w203 models when it comes to speed with 228hp. It is the fastest after the c350 with 3.5l 268hp same with that of the w204 c350
Re: Mercedes Benz by jaypee2020: 1:29pm On Oct 11, 2018
mammanbawa:
The w203 was produced from 01-07
It was facelifted in 06 I think
That was when the c240 and 320 were dropped for the c280 and c350 with the introduction of the m272 engines into the line up
Definitely the 4 cylinder versions are more fuel economical which is why I'll advise you to go for the c230 kompressor
It's got sporty looks, a fuel economical 189hp 1.8l supercharged i4 engine
It's quite fast for a car of its kind
The 2006/7 c230 with the 2.5l 209hp v6 engine has balance shaft issues on the long run but you're good to go if it's fixed well.
It looks better, faster and it's more fuel consuming though the difference is not much.
I'll go for the c230 v6 if I were you
The c280 balances between the w203 models when it comes to speed with 228hp. It is the fastest after the c350 with 3.5l 268hp same with that of the w204 c350
Thanks for the details please the 230 kompresor which model, and do you have an idea about E class and GLK 350 I am not cocerned about speed rather reliability, parts availability and maintenance cost.
Re: Mercedes Benz by HeavenlyBang(m): 1:34pm On Oct 11, 2018
jaypee2020:
Thanks for the details please the 230 kompresor which model, and do you have an idea about E class and GLK 350 I am not cocerned about speed rather reliability, parts availability and maintenance cost.
Reliability, parts availability and maintenance costs...hmmm. Just buy the 2005 C230 Kompressor and rest, sir. It's not the most reliable car out there but it's probably one of the most reliable Mercs of that cursed generation.

Or a 2005 C320. That powertrain was bullet proof.
Re: Mercedes Benz by mammanbawa: 1:41pm On Oct 11, 2018
jaypee2020:
Thanks for the details please the 230 kompresor which model, and do you have an idea about E class and GLK 350 I am not cocerned about speed rather reliability, parts availability and maintenance cost.
The GlK is just like the C class SUV
Same engine so definitely same parts
Suspension parts will be different sha
The C230 kompressor is a very nice car
Sporty
Fast
Economical
Get the 2005 version
E class is a larger sedan
I'll advise you not to go for the versions with the Airmatic suspension
Anything else is a good buy
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Re: Mercedes Benz by CarGuideNG: 3:17pm On Oct 11, 2018
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Thanks for the details please the 230 kompresor which model, and do you have an idea about E class and GLK 350 I am not cocerned about speed rather reliability, parts availability and maintenance cost.
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Re: Mercedes Benz by computerglobal(m):
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