Tabbaz:
[s]For clarity sake.

this is part of my post regarding expert321 and I'm still awaiting moderators to wade in before I will finally list him on the scammers list or otherwise. This should be enough for now. If you know, you know [/s]

Not making any sense at all, you don't just accuse people falsely & expect them to keep mum. You need to do proper investigation before you accuse people but in your own case, you are quick to judge. Its unfortunate that Seun, dominique, puskin are not living to the expectation of nairaland as regard scam issue on business section infact business section mods are very partial otherwise I don't know why they fail to call spade a spade. I dislike scam & scammers too and I always rebuke them but to accuse people wrongly us something I will never do. This is not your first time of passing wrong accusation on people and the most embarrassing part was that you will never apologize or right the wrong and mods always leave you to walk free. Mods should stop the habit of partiality & nepotism on scam accusation by always pass the right judgement. You can raise flag for suspicion but never accuse people blindly.

dominique:
On a board where a lot of transactions takes place, red flags are raised all the time. It's not a direct accusation, just a warning to others to be careful when dealing with an individual. Before a person raises a red flag, something must have roused his suspicions.

@Jdesigns, what exactly prompted you to raise the red flag on Expert234? Let's start from there

it will be an insult, nepotism if you can't get to the root of this matter. Lots of genuine people have been chased away from e-currency section due to wrong accusation & its completely wrong for anybody to accuse without solid evidence even in the court of law, you don't accuse people based on suspicion but fact backed up with solid evidence. If the accused was innocent then you guys must compel tabbaz to apologize else it shows the fight against scam is an act backed by mod for tabbaz & his friend to dominate the section as only sellers there.

HazzanTazzan:


I believe he must have used his loud stinking mouth to insult you...

He was actually expecting payment from someone and I received for him... His sender probably wasn't ready while he was talking with you... Why am I even defending him... The idiot is still insulting me for being pained...

You expect me to pay you same rate for receiving for you as same rate for buying PayPal when my rates already clarified that they are different ...

The guy is sick

You are a deceptive idiot. You and I agreed to a particular rate, but you changed after the money has arrived in your account. Yes, you are deceptive. I spit on you.

jjjjj2017:

it will be an insult, nepotism if you can't get to the root of this matter. Lots of genuine people have been chased away from e-currency section due to wrong accusation & its completely wrong for anybody to accuse without solid evidence even in the court of law, you dong accuse people based on suspicion but fact backed up with solid evidence. If the accused was innocent then you guys must compel tabbaz to apologize else it shows the fight against scam is an act backed by mod for tabbaz & his friend to dominate the section as only sellers there.

Tabbaz and his crew will soon attack you and say your moniker must be my second moniker. That's all he has as evidence against me.

HazzanTazzan:


I believe he must have used his loud stinking mouth to insult you...

He was actually expecting payment from someone and I received for him... His sender probably wasn't ready while he was talking with you... Why am I even defending him... The idiot is still insulting me for being pained...

He believes everything can be achieved with insults but he doesn't understand that life is far more then that.

He forgets that the same word spoken can cause peace or war, it all depends on the tone

expert234:


But you an go ahead and destroy people's image pending the time you get an evidence? You are an idiot, tabbaz. A senseless idiot at that.

Your mouth is your biggest problem.

A red flag can be raised for anybody as far as that thread is concerned. How you handle it goes a long way to tell people who you are.

You "might" not be a scammer. But your manner of approach and the way you handle issues goes a long way to point your uncouth nature.

You need to learn how to handle pressure as a businessman.

Peace.

This is how it started

July 2nd

Jdesigns:


.....
Watching in 3D

Beware of this guy

Never release any of your details to him

Either paypal or any other account.

Best way stay clear of him

July 31st

Tabbaz:


who have this guy's phone number. He seems to be a scammer working with jackbuer

July 31st

funlord:


08148241611



He was trying to get my dollar account details recently with one strange story sometime last month....Jdesigns has also flagged him recently and his hidden posts are too many

july 31st

Tabbaz:


thanks. I think mods should assist us to check what is in his hidden posts and if he has similarities (with respect to his registered details) with jackbuer

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dominique
puskin

Above are all the red flags raised as it appears to me

Few of his responses..

Date - August 2

expert234:


Tabbaz, what do you mean? Why are you destroying my image here? What dealing did I ever have with you? I challenge you to explain yourself clearly here if you don't want thunder to strike you there.

expert234:


I beg you in God's name to explain any dealing I have with you. Why would you destroy my image here? What is all this nonsense?

That's how tabbaz also posted rubbish about me. What's all this rubbish? I challenge you to explain yourself clearly. The money you quoted here was sold to hazzantazzan. What's all these rubbish going on here?

Seun, lalasticala. Please, I invite you to act was umpire here. I can't remember having any dealing with these despicable idiots destroying my image here.

expert234:

I respect you so much, but you are outliving that respect already. What do you mean by relating me to a scammer? Did you wake up on the wrong side of your bed or you've lost your mind? Did they place a curse on your destiny or something? Have I ever had any dealing with you in my life? What rubbish is this?

expert234:


You just showed yourself as a classic idiot, you know. Have you cautioned your friend, hazzantazzan for his shameless vomit that I responded to? Two people did something, but you spared one and condemnef the other. So much for anti-scam crusader. Your activities here are more of selective judgement than anything else. You are a useless being tabbaz. You lack the morals to oversee antiscam anything.

Conclusion

Tabbaz:
Well, as noted by hazzantazzan that he was expecting a fund, I think it was his big mouth that led him into this mess. Though funlord also flagged him that he was trying to get his details too.

Like I said before, he was flagged not labelled but because he thinks he can speak uncontrollably, he concluded that we labelled him, and he started calling himself a scammer.

Anyone labelled as a scammer on my thread must have been given a chance to speak his side of the story and we only rely ONLY on strong evidence before we conclude.

I still don't know if he's legit or otherwise but no evidence to call him a scammer. I never called him such, and thus I don't think he doesn't deserves my apology.

Tabbaz:
I think the moderators can now see that we are just wasting our time on this boy. His mouth is full of insults as you all can see. He need to be given a chill pill for breaking rule 2

I'm done here unless if my attention is formally required

BRAINZBox:


Your mouth is your biggest problem.

A red flag can be raised for anybody as far as that thread is concerned. How you handle it goes a long way to tell people who you are.

You "might" not be a scammer. But your manner of approach and the way you handle issues goes a long way to point your uncouth nature.

You need to learn how to handle pressure as a businessman.

Peace.

Well, I don't rob anyone to make a living. So, I'm naturally vengeful when such is ever attached to me, either remotely or otherwise. You aren't in my shoes. So, stop commenting on what you don't know.

And yes, tabbaz is a full-fledged idiot.

Tabbaz:
This is how it started

July 30th



July 31st


July 31st



july 31st


Above are all the red flags raised as it appears to me

@bolded, You got it all wrong, I raised the red flag July 2nd not 30th

BRAINZBox:



A red flag can be raised for anybody as far as that thread is concerned. How you handle it goes a long way to tell people who you are.

This is the part he has failed to understand

@
Tabbaz
Puskin
Dominique
Funlord

Jdesigns:


@bolded, You got it all wrong, I raised the red flag July 2nd not 30th

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Tabbaz:
I think the moderators can now see that we are just wasting our time on this boy. His mouth is full of insults as you all can see. He need to be given a chill pill for breaking rule 2

Like I have earlier said he needs 1 month chill pill

@
Tabbaz
Puskin
Dominique
Funlord

expert234:


Well, I don't rob anyone to make a living. So, I'm naturally vengeful when such is ever attached to me, either remotely or otherwise. You aren't in my shoes. So, stop commenting on what you don't know.

And yes, tabbaz is a full-fledged idiot.

Okay sir. I will stop commenting on what I don't know

LOL.... If only.....


Do have a nice day.

Tabbaz:
I think the moderators can now see that we are just wasting our time on this boy. His mouth is full of insults as you all can see. He need to be given a chill pill for breaking rule 2

you want mod to ban him and after that you pass another round of accusation against him and you are aware that during ban he will be unable to defend himself. Cc Seun, Dominique, puskin, its high time you guys wade into happenings on e-curremcy exchange thread. Everyone deserves fair hearing and use of abuse is expected when you accuse someone wrongly or do you expect him to laugh & applaud you when you call him a thief? and hey, stop calling someone you've not seen before a boy that's a sign of disrespect, you don't feed him OK

Jdesigns:


Like I have earlier said he needs 1 month chill pill

@
Tabbaz
Puskin
Dominique
Funlord

moderators are not fools and your errand boy, how could you ask mods to ban someone who's trying to defend himself. You want him to be banned so you can can yourself a winner or what? You don't want him to explain his own side of the story? Why doyou think that you have power to tell moderators to ban someone for a month. Do you pay mods or you relate to any of them in anyway? Who do you think you are on nairaland? a super user or what?

BRAINZBox:


Your mouth is your biggest problem.

A red flag can be raised for anybody as far as that thread is concerned. How you handle it goes a long way to tell people who you are.

You "might" not be a scammer. But your manner of approach and the way you handle issues goes a long way to point your uncouth nature.

You need to learn how to handle pressure as a businessman.

Peace.

we have thick skin than one another, even if you accuse me of scam I won't insult you first rather I will ask you to tender solid evidence but failure to do so will result in serious problem because I don't joke with my image. I hate scammers badly because scammers are murderers, many people commit suicide after getting scammed because they the world has come to an end for them

Jdesigns:


Dominique, in as much as my attention was just drawn to all the ranting and insults of expert234 this evening by a nairaland member, I wouldn't have been aware of this guy trying to clean his name after a month of his advert and my flagging him.

I would have expected someone without a skeleton in his wardrobe to counter what I have written against him but no he kept mute so that people can forget all about him and then come out in full force and start running his mouth for over 3 hours just to gather sympathy from NLers.

All active member in the ecurrency thread knows very well that one should never advertise what he never has or what he is expected to have as something available at the moment. Anyone that does so would be flagged as suspicious fellow with an intent to deceive or fraud a member except he can proof otherwise. This I have done without him proving me wrong until after a month believing I would have forgetten the reason why I gave a warning to all members which he ignored.

I had contacted this expert234 immediately he advertised his paypal as available only for us to has a chat which makes me to believe and flag him as suspicious but he has been running around tagging himself has a scammer. He has mentioned hazzantazzan and he has been warned by the same person he mentioned not to call his name.

I believe in clarity and fairness but when a member is suspicious we don't have to wait for someone to first fall victim before we make it known, we need to alert others so that they have to be careful when dealing with the person so as not to fall into a trap.

Find below a chat between expert234 and I before the warning I released about releasing any account details.
He wasn't ready for a transaction and he kept asking I release the paypal account, abeg werin he wan use an take do?

Like I have always said, I don't make NL my home, but whenever am available I ensure I do the needful whenever i suspect a member, I will flag that person and its left for people to decide on how to deal with the person.

My call is always for people to be extra careful with their dealings.

And for you expert234, you have been throwing insults up and down, just to make you know, no be insults dey determine trustworthiness and truthfulness.

Like you have been shouting for rule 8, and if it's not applied what would you do??

@
Puskin
Funlord
Dominique

Its good to red flag any suspicious user though you did the right thing, but on the other hand I do not really no his genuine reasons for wanting to have your account first to send, but I remember long time ago when dealing with mayoral , if its was in the afternoon, he wud ask me to drop the account that he wud send later in d evening wen e returns from work, and based on trust I would pay upfront, and then he delivers..there are traders who still request for PayPal account and says later I will send. And they will send..I won't say because he requested for my account to send at night, then I shud red flag him. Except dere is something else he did. Intact wat do I no.

God will continue to protect us from scammers.

achiever12:


please make sure you use your head next time before linking other people to scam or scammers. Using your head can stop you from displaying stupidity and disgracing your parents as you have done already. And thank you for exposing yourself as the bias, unreasonable, irresponsible, thoughtless umpire that you really are. Have a great day.

Haba Bros take ham easy, u error for that harshness o. Ha ha!! Abeg

chiefkpokp:


Its good to red flag any suspicious user though you did the right thing, but on the other hand I do not really no his genuine reasons for wanting to have your account first to send, but I remember long time ago when dealing with mayoral , if its was in the afternoon, he wud ask me to drop the account that he wud send later in d evening wen e returns from work, and based on trust I would pay upfront, and then he delivers..there are traders who still request for PayPal account and says later I will send. And they will send..I won't say because he requested for my account to send at night, then I shud red flag him. Except dere is something else he did. Intact wat do I no.

God will continue to protect us from scammers.

Now like you said based on trust, but if there's no trust and you stated that you trusted the person that was why you can give him your details. What if the person is new and he continuously as for your account after you have told him when he is ready he should come back, what comes to your mind??

Well for me it will be MITM because his intent isn't clear.

That I raised a flag about it can be termed as bad right??

@Expert234, your manner of approach towards this matter did not help your case at all. It's understandable that you'll be upset by the accusation but going on that kind of attack mode made it difficult to defend. We have seen scammers go high on the defensive with insults in the past, your actions only made us more suspicious.

To be sincere, Jdesigns raised the red flag too soon. Asking for account details is not enough to quickly conclude one is a scammer. From the chat, he did not object to use of escrow which should have been the number one red flag. Requesting for account details without having funds to send at the moment is a bit shady but not enough to draw conclusions like that. Last week I flagged a member a suspect as his style of posting is very similar to that of a notorious fashion section scammer. After doing extensive search on his handle and the previous one he deactivated, I realized I was wrong and apologized. Nobody is above mistake and nobody should be above apologizing as well. As it stands right now, we have nothing to tag expert234 a scammer so I expect Tabbaz, Jdesigns and Funlord to withdraw their accusations and apologize to him. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be at alert when dealing with him or any trader here.

dominique:


I expect Tabbaz, Jdesigns and Funlord to withdraw their accusations and apologize to him. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be at alert when dealing with him or any trader here.

I never accused him of anything. They requested his number and was asking if anyone knew anything about him. I gave them my report about his strange transaction request with me. Everyone I have ever tagged a scammer on this forum turned out to be one 150%...I did not call him one so I really have nothing to say to anyone. Anyone that wants to deal with him can give him their birth certificate if possible...it is their business. I have no family on nairaland and I am a soloist so I would always state what I know about any moniker that interacts with me honestly. I send no one.

dominique:


I expect Tabbaz, Jdesigns and Funlord to withdraw their accusations and apologize to him. [b]Doesn't mean we shouldn't be at alert when dealing with him [/b]or any trader here.

I have no apology to tender to anybody.

I still stand my ground, if the same circumstances happen again and again, I will still raise the red flag again and again.

I haven't accused anybody of been a thief all I have done is to make people aware and be at alert. If it becomes a MITM then it would have been another story.


By the way if you feel you wanna apply the Rule 8 feel free but you also have to apply Rule 2.

Cheers

@
Funlord
Tabbaz
Puskin

dominique:
@Expert234, your manner of approach towards this matter did not help your case at all. It's understandable that you'll be upset by the accusation but going on that kind of attack mode made it difficult to defend. We have seen scammers go high on the defensive with insults in the past, your actions only made us more suspicious.

To be sincere, Jdesigns raised the red flag too soon. Asking for account details is not enough to quickly conclude one is a scammer. From the chat, he did not object to use of escrow which should have been the number one red flag. Requesting for account details without having funds to send at the moment is a bit shady but not enough to draw conclusions like that. Last week I flagged a member a suspect as his style of posting is very similar to that of a notorious fashion section scammer. After doing extensive search on his handle and the previous one he deactivated, I realized I was wrong and apologized. Nobody is above mistake and nobody should be above apologizing as well. As it stands right now, we have nothing to tag expert234 a scammer so I expect Tabbaz, Jdesigns and Funlord to withdraw their accusations and apologize to him. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be at alert when dealing with him or any trader here.

Thanks for your input. Tendering apology is not a big deal because I'm not God - I'm not above mistake, so accept my apology @expert234 if you are innocent

However, @doiminique, here are my other submissions.

1. I saw how expert234 and his crew were trying to blackmail mods intellectually but decided not to react to those statements. You should not be swayed because they keep insinuating that you must ask tabbaz to apologize or accept that you are working for tabbaz (this got me cracking)

2. The flag was not severed at all and his details was not even included in the scammers list. This shows that I had no solid prove to labell him yet.

3. You did not even bother about the way he keeps breaking rule 2 of the forum and you didn't ask him to apologize to all the members he was insulting


Lastly, I applaud your effort in scam combating on the forum. Together we shall build a new Nigeria where criminals will have nowhere to run



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funlord
jdesigns
puskin

Interesting....

dominique:
@Expert234, your manner of approach towards this matter did not help your case at all. It's understandable that you'll be upset by the accusation but going on that kind of attack mode made it difficult to defend. We have seen scammers go high on the defensive with insults in the past, your actions only made us more suspicious.

To be sincere, Jdesigns raised the red flag too soon. Asking for account details is not enough to quickly conclude one is a scammer. From the chat, he did not object to use of escrow which should have been the number one red flag. Requesting for account details without having funds to send at the moment is a bit shady but not enough to draw conclusions like that. Last week I flagged a member a suspect as his style of posting is very similar to that of a notorious fashion section scammer. After doing extensive search on his handle and the previous one he deactivated, I realized I was wrong and apologized. Nobody is above mistake and nobody should be above apologizing as well. As it stands right now, we have nothing to tag expert234 a scammer so I expect Tabbaz, Jdesigns and Funlord to withdraw their accusations and apologize to him. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be at alert when dealing with him or any trader here.

I try to make all my dealings pure and untainted. I've lived my life thus far without adding another man's sweat to my purse unjustly. As a result, I'm always mad at anyone that even hints on me being fraudulent, either codedly or directly. That's why I refused to spare that false accuser called tabbaz, that shameless, irresponsible funlord and the unstable jdesigns.

chiefkpokp:


Its good to red flag any suspicious user though you did the right thing, but on the other hand I do not really no his genuine reasons for wanting to have your account first to send, but I remember long time ago when dealing with mayoral , if its was in the afternoon, he wud ask me to drop the account that he wud send later in d evening wen e returns from work, and based on trust I would pay upfront, and then he delivers..there are traders who still request for PayPal account and says later I will send. And they will send..I won't say because he requested for my account to send at night, then I shud red flag him. Except dere is something else he did. Intact wat do I no.

God will continue to protect us from scammers.

If people can be scammed by simply knowing their PayPal account, then a million and one people would have been scammed already via PayPal.

[quote author=expert234 post=69968042]

I try to make all my dealings pure and untainted. I've lived life thus far without adding another man's sweat to my purse unjustly. As a result, I'm always mad at anyone that even hints on me being fraudulent, either codedly or directly. That's why I refused to spare that false accuser called tabbaz, that shameless, irresponsible funlord and the unstable jdesigns. [/quote

My friend wat is ur problem, in dominique previous response, u saw hw he/she demanded for simple apology, while jdesigns and funlord is yet to follow suit. U ur self is adding more pepper and salt to injury, can't u just make a point without adding insults to it, oga d one wen dey ur body self still need prayer, non still insult me O, cos na joke I dey o, but na d truth I dey tell u .
@tabbaz Chief Olorkpa 1 of NL....I greet u well well o, I site ur response, God bless u more .

expert234:


I try to make all my dealings pure and untainted. I've lived my life thus far without adding another man's sweat to my purse unjustly. As a result, I'm always mad at anyone that even hints on me being fraudulent, either codedly or directly. That's why I refused to spare that false accuser called tabbaz, that shameless, irresponsible funlord and the unstable jdesigns.

Puskin mynd44 Dominique Seun


If I descend on this child now you guys will ban me for 3 months and give him the instigator 2 days ? This thing has been insulting traders here since yesterday and violating rule 2 with reckless abandon and you guys are allowing it go unchecked? What sort of bias is this. Is he above the law? I will never apologize to him for not calling him anything other than pointing out his suspicious way of trading when asked by others. Should someone fall victim before we call those with questionable tactics out... haba