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jokerr:
These are the few harmful and negative effect of Christianity in the society
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith

JackBizzle:
Your inferiority knows no bounds.

So you are now blaming the problems of christianity on African tradition? Is christianity not still problematic in Western Countries? The same christianity that has been abandoned by European countries because of its problems?

In a current study of the UK, 53% of people there say that they do not have any religion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html

Christianity was responsible for religious wars in Europe in the past. It was also responsible for
-the burning of innocent women accused of being witches
-the abuse of unnecessary power given to religious clergy (child abuse by priests)
-blasphemy laws
-anti-scientific dogmas eg hatred for evolution
-homophobia

etc

paxonel:
you haven't landed your point yet you started by saying someone is inferior. It shows that your belief is actually what is inferior here and i will further prove it.
did i say that christianity was never problematic in Europe and elsewhere?
so, how does this anul the fact that Europeans who brought christianity to Africa years back, have taken time to invest in education and advance industrialization and technology in their countries over the years inspite that many of them believe in the bible and Africans who also believe in the same bible could not do the same in their countries over the years?
Obviously, it was never the bible that was drawing Africa backward, it was their traditional value system that is doing that.
And these traditional value system are seen practiced in African churches today what else do you want to say?
we already know these before

we all know that all these happened in the past. They have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Africans are lagging far behind Europeans and that's the truth,it does not mean that the Europeans did not encounter problems arising from christianity too.

I'm not being inferior by saying this truth.

Can you see now that it is your school of thought that is inferior?

Atheism did not teach you how to understand what others are saying, yet you are jumping to argue with them blindly saying that someone is inferior without landing your point first.

JackBizzle:
You did not make any single point in your entire comment.

Oga, the point here is that Christianity is a problem in Africa. That was what the op is saying.

You came to claim that the problem is African tradition. Which is a whole lot of nonsense.


Christianity is a problem. Don't defend the religion by blaming African tradition that we barely practice.

JackBizzle:
You did not make any single point in your entire comment.

Oga, the point here is that Christianity is a problem in Africa. That was what the op is saying.

You came to claim that the problem is African tradition. Which is a whole lot of nonsense.


Christianity is a problem. Don't defend the religion by blaming African tradition that we barely practice.

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enilove:
Those foreign countries had been worshipping God more than 1,500 years ago . Their ancestors were Christians and not idol worshippers , that is why they are where they are today.

If not for Christianity , Africa and Nigeria would not be different from the jungle with primitive people ruling and killing innocent people for sacrifices .

African is where it is now because of its idolatry. It was Christianity that brought education to Nigeria and this little development. Instead of us to cry to God to forgive us for all the innocent blood crying against us , we are blaming Christianity that hates evil and leaving Islam that is killing innocent people in the name of jihad.

When our ancestors were worshipping idols what was the development like in Nigeria ?

paxonel:
as if African traditions never had problems before christianity was brought to Africa?

My friend go sit down jo, you know nothing

You think all Africans are that sentimental?

I love tradition too, but only the good ones and not the bad ones.

enilove:
Stop lying , that was not a typographical error. How come an illiterate is correcting the litirate ?

Virgin ? How does that fit into this thread ? Well , for your info , I am a married man.

I don't believe you were once a christian.
The truth is, you can be devoted christian and still be a sinner.
You can be a devoted christian and not be born again.
You can be a devoted christian and know nothing about the Bible.
You can be a devoted christian and be on the road to hell.

Did you not read in the Bible that thou shall not kill? Why are you in support of abortion?

There is no sign of Christianity in you. Did you not read what happened to the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible ? I am sure you were never a christian.

You can become anything you like , atheist or satanist, you will face the judgement of God who changes not.

Better repent , I beg you , in Jesus' name.

JackBizzle:
Were most tribes selling their brothers as slaves before white Christians came?

Ogbeni, focus on Christianity that is the problem.

paxonel:
slavery have been in existence in Africa long before they interact with white men!

I will cite instances where various kingdoms parted from ile ife and other prominent kingships to form their own settlements. These was as a results of injustice.

Today we have the benin kingdom, the oba of Lagos, the warri kingdom which parted from the binis, the aniocha, these are just few.

My brother, Slavery and injustice have been there. The hearts of men were corrupt it's not about whether it was christianity or not.

JackBizzle:
Get your facts right. The Oba of Benin had servants- he did not sell slaves for money.

Warri Kingdom? Nigga, Warri was shite until the colonial people came. There was no Warri Kingdom. You clearly are not from Delta

Horus:
Because of religion no one has been able to really unite Africans in any considerable numbers, and it is also why Africans have not been able to make real progress toward freedom and equality. No more do we have to listen to liars who only wish to rule and control the masses with their made-up stories called religion. Let us Free our minds from the mental enslavement of religion

paxonel:
I did not say the oba sold slaves. I'm saying that long before the slave trade era, some chiefs around the oba parted the Benin kingdom to form their own settlements outside the region and became obas in those regions, just like oba of benin once migrated from ile ife.
That all these migrations were as a result of the perceived injustice meted to them by the oba which may include some kind of slavery.
really,
How did the olu of warri became oba in warri?

Do you realize that the olu warri in his palace have been doing business transactions(not slave trade)with colonial masters long before christianity was sold to the people by christian missionaries who later came?

Olu of warri migrated from the benin kingdom perhaps out of injustice and unfair treatment. The itsekiris have a lot of similarities with the bibis, especially the red beads they have as their traditional jewlries

JackBizzle:
Bro, compare countries that support gay rights and abortions with those countries that do not. Try and see which ones are more developed.

hopefulLandlord:
What if their development made them support gay rights and abortions not the other way around?

paxonel:
I did not say the oba sold slaves. I'm saying that long before the slave trade era, some chiefs around the oba parted the Benin kingdom to form their own settlements outside the region and became obas in those regions, just like oba of benin once migrated from ile ife.
That all these migrations were as a result of the perceived injustice meted to them by the oba which may include some kind of slavery.
really,
How did the olu of warri became oba in warri?

Do you realize that the olu warri in his palace have been doing business transactions(not slave trade)with colonial masters long before christianity was sold to the people by christian missionaries who later came?

Olu of warri migrated from the benin kingdom perhaps out of injustice and unfair treatment. The itsekiris have a lot of similarities with the bibis, especially the red beads they have as their traditional jewlries

prolog2:
The Oba of Benin never migrated from "ile ife", I am tired of some fools endlessly repeating this lie.
It is not everything which is about migration. Benin city is only the capital of Benin Kingdom which had Edo-state and delta-state as subterritory. Benin Kingdom had many cities and villages. Those cities and villages were administered by Edo nobles who took orders from the King (Omo n'Oba n'Edo). You guys are really dumb. Please go back to school.

JackBizzle:
Olu of Warri was of no importance to Delta history until military rule in Nigeria.

paxonel:
the school of thought that says the oba of benin migrated from ile ife is one school of thought which has already been established from references that will never be accepted by the bini people i understand that.

Another school of thought from references known by the bini people which are not known by others says the benin kingdom never originated elsewhere, that is also another established one.

Therefore you do not have any right to call any idea of thought dumb, because even your own references are not known. Nobody is monopoly of knowledge.

In either case there was undisputed migration which lead to other kingdoms at uromi, ekpoma, sabo gida ora, Auchi, etc, including the warri kingdom and it environs.

JackBizzle:
Olu of Warri was of no importance to Delta history until military rule in Nigeria.

prolog2:
now any fool (like you) feels he can open his mouth.

paxonel:
who is this one talking?

I'm very sure are chatting far away from jupiter

JackBizzle:
You should keep quiet and ask how an itsekiri king got to prominence in an urhobo dominated land

prolog2:
No, please stop with your stupid "schools of thoughts". The places you are talking about are not kingdoms, they are dukedoms which are subterritory to an actual kingdom. My references are the precolonial maps which are available for all to see. i don't speculate like the fools do, I talk facts, and only facts.

paxonel:
so,whats the content of the precolonial maps you are talking?
How does the map dispute the facts that the binis are not far away from ile ife by geographical distribution of cultures?
How are the maps also anul certain artefacts found among the binis which are common and peculiar to the ancient ifa and orunmila?

JackBizzle:
See the ignorance that Christianity is causing you?

Europeans were pagans before Christianity.

The European Ancestors worshipped idols before Christianity too.

The Saxons in Britain were pagans before Christianity came. The same Britain that brought Christianity to Nigeria.


Christians also brought western Education to India but they rejected Christianity and they are doing better than Nigeria. They tried to preach Christianity in Japan and they rejected it as well.

Bro, compare countries that support gay rights and abortions with those countries that do not. Try and see which ones are more developed.

jokerr:
Answering people like u is always a waste of my data , cuz wen u tell a man the truth he will despise u, but wen u tell lies and wat he wants to hear u will become his best friend . I won't blame u cuz dats the way u have been brought up from birth, believing in a fairytale, please do ur research cuz ignorance is killing u, and stop listening and defend wat ur fellow man told u. because all u have been writing is a bunch of nonsense, wat a pity DAT a man will be willing to die for something he knows nothing about,living his life by a book. u are in slavery . oh and bout the killing , did ur book tell u DAT u should not kill only ur fellow humans, no it said don't kill, but look at confused slave that kills animals, insects everyday are they not living things, so u sit down and think ur life through, you have made many wrong turns . good day.

prolog2:
You should keep quiet and read historical accounts, fool.
Tribalism was brought to our shores by europeans to devide us. Before colonisation, our people certainly didn't identifiy with the language they spoke.
Anyways, both Urhobo and Itsikeri are part of the same Edo people.

JackBizzle:
Lol.... historical accounts written by who?