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Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Holiness2100: 4:57pm On Jul 20, 2021
Pastor Olakunle Beloved Jesukale aka End-time General who is the founder of End-time revival Evangelical Ministry has come out with a teaching that fornication is not Sin.

According to Pastor Olakunle, He Believes in Extreme Grace therefore Sin does not exist for those who believe in the Finished work of JESUS Christ because JESUS has destroyed Sin.

The Pastor Publicly proclaims that Sex before Marriage is not a sin.

In a Video he posted on YouTube he said
" Sex, whether it is before Marriage, whether it is after Marriage, Whether it is done during Marriage, is No longer Sin. Any Preacher saying that Sex before Marriage is a Sin is an Enemy of the Finished work and he is not real"

He went further to say that for someone to say that you have to wait until you are married before you can have sex " is not only a Sin but a religious lie"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdqHycwGJFo

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Bornsinner7: 5:00pm On Jul 20, 2021
It is written many false prophets shall arise and they shall deceive many

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Righteousness2(m): 5:02pm On Jul 20, 2021
Last days Prophecies are Raining on us...

JESUS Christ warned us about these times and the False Prophets that will be unleashed to confuse people to Hell.

1Timothy 4::1-2
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron"


The Sin of Fornication is a serious sin that GOD frowns against.

1Corithians 6:18-19
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
"

False Prophets/pastors and teachers are unleashed to Rope you into evil and Destruction using the Bible.

Beware of who you listen to! Your Soul is worth more than all these Nonsense that is all over the place in the Name of Preachings.
Heaven is Real!
Hell Fire is Real!

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Franzinni: 5:03pm On Jul 20, 2021
Yep ... a wolf in wolf clothing.

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 5:26pm On Jul 20, 2021
Holiness2100:

In a Video he posted on YouTube he said
" Sex, whether it is before Marriage, whether it is after Marriage, Whether it is done during Marriage, is No longer Sin. Any Preacher saying that Sex before Marriage is a Sin is an Enemy of the Finished work and he is not real"

I am intrigued by that line there... it seems this "Finished work" theory I keep hearing of concludes that everything Jesus Christ, the Word of God has said is rendered of no meaning and value. undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 6:00pm On Jul 20, 2021
Bornsinner7:
It is written many false prophets shall arise and they shall deceive many
Franzinni:
Yep ... a wolf in wolf clothing.

many great men of your holy book had sex with SINGLE women that they were not married to, had countless babymamas/mistresses etc and were never punished by your "god".... so it is safe to say that the above man is actually right on the subject. but hey, if you believe that sex before marriage is a sin then pls tell us all what the punishment is, so i can therefore educate you about highly respected fornicators in your holy book, such as Abraham, king David/Solomon who were never punished for their supposed sin.

the only one that was punished was because he had sex with a MARRIED woman, apart from that, sex with single women has ALWAYS been ok in your holy book.

thank me later...

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 6:01pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:

many great men of your holy book had sex with SINGLE women that they were not married to, had countless babymamas/mistresses etc and were never punished by your "god".... so it is safe to say that the above man is actually right on the subject. but hey, if you believe that sex before marriage is a sin then pls tell us all what the punishment is, so i can therefore educate you about highly respected fornicators in your holy book, such as Abraham, king David/Solomon who were never punished for their supposed sin.

the only one that was punished was because he had sex with a MARRIED woman, apart from that, sex with single women has ALWAYS been ok in your holy book.

thank me later...
Let's start with Abraham, a fornicator? Where is this written of? undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by martolux(m): 6:10pm On Jul 20, 2021
That's exactly what you'll be fed with if you fail to find time to study the word of God.... By the way, did he paint his lips?

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 6:12pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Let's start with Abraham, a fornicator? Where is this written of? undecided

come on bro, its well documentated in the bible that he was married to ONE wife but had 8 children by 3 different women (Sarah, Hagar, Keturah)... so yes Abraham was a confirmed fornicator who had sex with women that he was NOT married to, yet was never punished for his "supposed" sin.

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by hayzed1090: 6:12pm On Jul 20, 2021
Hmmm! Nice Advert

I guess it's only in your ministry that people can get the connection to the finished work.

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 6:19pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:

come on bro, its well documentated in the bible that he was married to ONE wife but had 8 children by 3 different women (Sarah, Hagar, Keturah)... so yes Abraham was a confirmed fornicator who had sex with women that he was NOT married to, yet was never punished for his "supposed" sin.
Concerning Hagar ...
Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children.(E) Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her."

Abram agreed to what Sarai said. So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.- Genesis 16 vs 1 - 3.
As for Keturah,
Abraham married Keturah, and they had six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. 3 Later, Jokshan became the father of Sheba and Dedan, and when Dedan grew up, he had three sons: Asshurim, Letushim, and Leummim. 4 Midian also had five sons: Ephah, Epher, Hanoch, Abida, and Eldaah - Genesis 25 vs 1 - 4
Shall we move on to King David next? undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by martolux(m): 6:24pm On Jul 20, 2021
You need to understand the the meaning of Fornication. Sarah was woman he first married. Sarah gave him Hagar when she could not conceive [an agreement was reached]. Abraham married Keturah after the death of Sarah.
MrBrownJay1:


come on bro, its well documentated in the bible that he was married to ONE wife but had 8 children by 3 different women (Sarah, Hagar, Keturah)... so yes Abraham was a confirmed fornicator who had sex with women that he was NOT married to, yet was never punished for his "supposed" sin.

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 6:36pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Concerning Hagar ...
As for Keturah,
Shall we move on to King David next? undecided
martolux:
You need to understand the the meaning of Fornication. Sarah was woman he first married. Sarah gave him Hagar when she could not conceive [an agreement was reached]. Abraham married Keturah after the death of Sarah.

- do you guys have the AUDACITY to claim that if your wife agrees to your FORNICATING SINS, then it is no longer a sin in the eyes of your god?!?!?!?!?
- do you guys have the AUDACITY to claim that fornicating is only a sin if/when your wife disgrees to it?
- do you guys have the AUDACITY to claim that your holybook is ok with fornication, so long as your wife agrees to it?!


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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 6:39pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:

- do you guys have the AUDACITY to claim that if your wife agrees to your FORNICATING SINS, then it is no longer a sin in the eyes of your god?!?!?!?!?
- do you guys have the AUDACITY to claim that fornicating is only a sin if/when your wife disgrees to it?
- do you guys have the AUDACITY to claim that your holybook is ok with fornication, so long as your wife agrees to it?!

"Fornicating" with one who is your wife? Is that even possible? I don't follow at all . undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by xproducer: 6:41pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:


come on bro, its well documentated in the bible that he was married to ONE wife but had 8 children by 3 different women (Sarah, Hagar, Keturah)... so yes Abraham was a confirmed fornicator who had sex with women that he was NOT married to, yet was never punished for his "supposed" sin.

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First, Abraham was married to the three women he was with!

"Then Sarai, Abram’s wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan." - Genesis 16:3

"Abraham again took a wife, and her name was Keturah." - Genesis 25:1

Second, yes - people have done and do wicked things (its a condition of the human heart since the curse and fall of man - "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?" - Jeremiah 17:9

*** :" But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person..." - Matthew 15:18-20

Yet, pointing out someone else's sin (fornication in this case) does not make the sin a good thing or excuse anyone else from doing the same thing. Make no mistake, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 6:23

"For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." -Romans 8:13


GOD has revealed things to mankind incrementally over the centuries and millennia. So, what may have been excused thousands of years ago has been clarified in the latter end of the age/this world. You cannot compare the times!

"In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes." - Judges 17:6

Examples? Here are just a few!

The Lord JESUS clarifying the law regarding:

Marriage and Divorce: Matthew 19:1-12

Adultery / Fornication: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." - Matthew 5:28-29

Revenge: "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." - Matthew 5:38-39

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 6:46pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
"Fornicating" with one who is your wife? Is that even possible? I don't follow at all . undecided

yes you indeed dont follow... Hagar was his servant, NOT his wife. are you saying that its ok to have sex with your servant, so long as your wife agrees to it?! are you saying that having sex with your servant (which you are not married to) is no longer viewed as fornication?!?

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 6:53pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:
yes you indeed dont follow... Sarah was his servant, NOT his wife. are you saying that its ok to have sex with your servant, so long as your wife agrees to it?! are you sayiong that having sex with your servant (which you are not married to) is no longer viewed as fornication?!?
You are told in Genesis 16 vs 3 which I posted that Hagar, the servant was given to Abraham for a wife. So why you keep insisting Abraham was not married to her is beyond me. I am not sure where you keep getting your information from. undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 6:57pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kobojunkie Xproducer

let me educate you further by bringing bible verses about Hagar, then you guys should come and lie to me that Hagar wasnt a servant but a wife: here below is Genesis 16 READ IT VERY CAREFULLY!!!!


Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”

Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.


When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, “You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my slave in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the Lord judge between you and me.”

6 “Your slave is in your hands,” Abram said. “Do with her whatever you think best.” Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.

7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”


“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” 10 The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”


few points to note:
- Abraham reffered to his supposed wife Hagar as his wife's slave, not his concubine.
- Hagar was referred as a SLAVE by the angel of the lord, not as his wife.
- Hagar said she was running away from her MISTRESS, not her supposed concubine (which she would be if she was indeed married to Abraham)

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 7:00pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:

Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”

Abram agreed to what Sarai said. 3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
Again, you are told that Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham for a wife, what part are you having difficulty with? undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 7:07pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Again, you are told that Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham for a wife, what part are you having difficulty with? undecided

pls stop taking from the above verse only what fits your agenda. remember, just because hagar was given to Abraham "to be" his wife, doesnt mean they were married...as we can clearly see from the below that she was ALWAYS referred as a SLAVE, not a wife/concubine:

- Abraham referred to his supposed wife Hagar as his wife's slave, not her concubine nor his wife.
- Hagar was referred as a SLAVE by the angel of the lord, not as his wife.
- Hagar said she was running away from her MISTRESS, not her supposed concubine (which she would be if she was indeed married to Abraham)
- how can a man have a wife but refer to her as a SLAVE?!?!?!? you guys make no damn sense!
- how can a supposed wife (Hagar) be openly mistreated by her concubine?! you guys make NO SENSE!

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Franzinni: 7:10pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:



many great men of your holy book had sex with SINGLE women that they were not married to, had countless babymamas/mistresses etc and were never punished by your "god".... so it is safe to say that the above man is actually right on the subject. but hey, if you believe that sex before marriage is a sin then pls tell us all what the punishment is, so i can therefore educate you about highly respected fornicators in your holy book, such as Abraham, king David/Solomon who were never punished for their supposed sin.

the only one that was punished was because he had sex with a MARRIED woman, apart from that, sex with single women has ALWAYS been ok in your holy book.

thank me later...
oga calm down ... no one is saying you should not have sex like a rabbit on Viagra, I for one am a spiritualist so I don't adhere to the beliefs of the so called Roman Catholic born Christianity so you can can that thought that I am defending Christianity...what I am hereby saying is, this wolf in wolf cloth called a pastor is deceiving and misleading his flock or anyone who so wishes to abandon their normal faculty of reasoning and embrace the perverted teachings of a charlatan to ultimately help them feel vindicated for fowl mannered and lustful desires.. when you finally grow up, advice your daughter into premarital sex ...it's normals right?

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 7:10pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:

pls stop taking from the above verse only what fits your agenda. remember, just because hagar was given to Abraham "to be" his wife, doesnt mean they were married...as we can clearly see from the below that she was ALWAYS referred as a SLAVE, not a wife/concubine:

- Abraham referred to his supposed wife Hagar as his wife's slave, not her concubine.
- Hagar was referred as a SLAVE by the angel of the lord, not as his wife.
- Hagar said she was running away from her MISTRESS, not her supposed concubine (which she would be if she was indeed married to Abraham)
- how can a man have a wife but refer to her as a SLAVE?!?!?!? you guys make no damn sense!

Oh, I see! undecided

According to God, all that is needed is consent from the man and woman for a marriage to be established, that is. So what did you need then to do in addition to that before declaring them formally married? undecided

Hagar was Sarah's slave - Sarah was Hagar's mistress- , so why do you assume that bond ended when she became his wife? undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by obonujoker(m): 7:10pm On Jul 20, 2021
Fake pastor

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 7:12pm On Jul 20, 2021
Franzinni:
oga calm down ... no one is saying you should not have sex like a rabbit on Viagra, I for one am a spiritualist so I don't adhere to the beliefs of the so called Roman Catholic born Christianity so you can can that thought that I am defending Christianity...what I am hereby saying is, this wolf in wolf cloth called a pastor is deceiving and misleading his flock or anyone who so wishes to abandon their normal faculty of reasoning and embrace the perverted teachings of a charlatan to ultimately help them feel vindicated for fowl mannered and lustful desires.. when you finally grow up, advice your daughter into premarital sex ...it's normals right?

to each their own belief... we can fully discuss this matter when you someday bring some valid points to the table.
have a great day!

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Franzinni: 7:20pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:


to each their own belief... we can fully discuss this matter when you someday bring some valid points to the table.
have a great day!
well thank you my day has been great for a matter of fact but I digress

I don't know what planet you are from but from the planet earth where I am from, it is wrong. Premarital sex is reckless, and can lead to very unwanted results very fast. I speak only from a moral stand point ...

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 7:22pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Oh, I see! According to God, all that is needed is consent from the man and woman. So what did you need then to do in addition to that before declaring them formally married? undecided

Hagar was Sarah's slave, so why do you assume that bond ended when she became His wife? undecided

The word used in Hebrew that is translated in English as “wife” is simply “woman.” thats how from the OT to NT there is a misconception that Hagar was Abraham's wife. furthermore, it was common practice in that era for barren women to give their servant as surrogates.

the ANGEL OF THE LORD referred to her as a slave of Sara NOT WIFE OF ABRAHAM... while if she was indeed legally married to Abraham, she would be referred as Abraham's wife....what more proof do you need?!?!?

Hagar was Sarah's slave, and if Hagar was indeed legally married to Abraham, then she will have just as much right in Abraham's house as Sarah. the fact that Abraham said that Sarah could do with her as she please (aka mistreat her send her away) confirms that Hagar was never legally Abraham's wife.... it would be a sin in the eyes of your lord to mistreat/send away Abraham's wife because your holy book clearly stipulates that:

Mark 10:9
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”


Colossians 3:13-14
Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.


Ephesians 4:31-32
“Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.”

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 7:28pm On Jul 20, 2021
Franzinni:
well thank you my day has been great for a matter of fact but I digress

I don't know what planet you are from but from the planet earth where I am from, it is wrong. Premarital sex is reckless, and can lead to very unwanted results very fast. I speak only from a moral stand point ...

and you are fully entitled to your own personal beliefs... to many, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you aint married to (so long as they aint married or in a relationship with someone else). marriage is just a useless piece of paper that means nothing. many unmarried people have way better unions than the married demons who gladly rape their wives if she aint in the mood for sex and/or gladly cheat on them. lets get real!

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Kobojunkie: 7:32pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:

the ANGEL OF THE LORD referred to her as a slave of Sara NOT WIFE OF ABRAHAM... while if she was indeed legally married to Abraham, she would be referred as Abraham's wife....what more proof do you need?!?!?

Hagar was Sarah's slave, and if Hagar was indeed legally married to Abraham, then she will have just as much right in Abraham's house as Sarah. the fact that Abraham said that Sarah could do with her as she please (aka mistreat her send her away) confirms that Hagar was never legally Abraham's wife.... it would be a sin in the eyes of your lord to mistreat/send away Abraham's wife because your holy book clearly stipulates that:

Mark 10:9
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”


Colossians 3:13-14
Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.


Ephesians 4:31-32
“Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.”

I see! I think there is a problem with your view of marriage in this and this stems from the fact that you even mention legality as an issue. undecided

1. As defined by God, a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife - Genesis 2 vs 24. That is LEGAL marriage among those who believe in God even to this very day. undecided

2. Sarah gave her slave Hagar, not a free woman, to Abraham for a wife. This does not mean the woman, Hagar, ceased upon marriage to belong to Sarah. Hagar is what was called a "slave wife", a sort of concubine, with lesser rights than the free woman who is a wife. undecided

3. So the angel rightly referred to Hagar as a slave woman because she was still a slave woman despite her marriage. undecided

P.S. you cannot digest that from before and even the Old Covenant by applying that which concerns the New Covenant. undecided

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Franzinni: 7:38pm On Jul 20, 2021
MrBrownJay1:


and you are fully entitled to your own personal beliefs... to many, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with having sex with someone that you aint married to (so long as they aint married or in a relationship with someone else). marriage is just a useless piece of paper that means nothing. many unmarried people have way better unions than the married demons who gladly rape their wives if she aint in the mood for sex and/or gladly cheat on them. lets get real!
well said... and going by your expression of your personal belief, I think it well adjusted to say it is my personal belief that you do not have the slightest clue of what you are talking about..and your present standpoint on the issue is based solely on how far you have come in life... in due time my friend, your horizon will broaden and you will find enlightenment on the matter ... in the mean time I think it will be sufficient for us to agree to disagree.

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 7:48pm On Jul 20, 2021
Kobojunkie:
I see! I think there is a problem with your view of marriage in this and this stems from the fact that you even mention legality as an issue. undecided

1. As defined by God, a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife - Genesis 2 vs 24. That is LEGAL marriage among those who believe in God even to this very day. undecided

2. Sarah gave her slave Hagar,not a free woman, to Abraham for a wife, does not mean the woman, Hagar, ceased upon marriage to belong to Sarah. Hagar is what was called a "slave wife", a sort of concubine with lesser rights than the free woman who is a wife. undecided

3. So the angel rightly referred to Hagar as a slave woman because she was still a slave woman despite her marriage. undecided

P.S. you cannot digest that from before and even the Old Covenant by applying that which concerns the New Covenant. undecided

the problem you guys have is that you read your holybook upside down and take from it ONLY WHAT FITS YOUR AGENDA... while it is clear as day that Hagar was just a slave that was used as a surrogate, and thats why her son Ishmael was never recognized as Abraham's heir. how can Ishmael not be recognized as Abraham heir if Abraham was indeed married to Hagar? ISAAC (son of Sarah) is recognized as Abraham heir... here read carefully below, and if you still dont believe that Ishmael was a bastard child made with a slave (not a wife), then you need serious English comprehension help:

Genesis 21-8
The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.”

11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. 12 But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your slave woman. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.


EVEN GOD REFERRED TO HAGAR AS HIS SLAVE WOMAN!!!!!!

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by Mystery9(m): 7:52pm On Jul 20, 2021
Fake teaching 4rm a strange man.

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Re: Pastor Olakunle Beloved: Sex Before Marriage Is Not Sin (Video) by MrBrownJay1(m): 7:53pm On Jul 20, 2021
Franzinni:
well said... and going by your expression of your personal belief, I think it well adjusted to say it is my personal belief that you do not have the slightest clue of what you are talking about..and your present standpoint on the issue is based solely on how far you have come in life... in due time my friend, your horizon will broaden and you will find enlightenment on the matter ... in the mean time I think it will be sufficient for us to agree to disagree.

again, you are fully entitled to your opinion...and so long as you have nothing tangible to bring to this discussion...

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