prolog2:


"geographical distribution of cultures" verbiage only makes it harder to understand your dumb ideas.
"artefacts found among the binis which are common and peculiar to the ancient ifa and orunmila", now you are just fishing for something, anything I guess.
Whatever you claim, you should prove. Just stop throwing words here and there like a toddler throwing his food instead of eating it, prove your claims. Simple.
If you claim the Oba of Benin migrated from ife, then prove it !

Also keep in mind that the person you are talking to is not necessarilly the usual nigerian idiot.

And you think that throwing words like colonial maps are enough prove to assert errors?
you have proven to be one idiot already and there are no proofs for your ape type.
Whether you like it or not binis were lost tribes of the great ife, jump to the clouds everyone knows it and nothing can change that

paxonel:
And you think that throwing words like colonial maps are enough prove to assert errors?
you have proven to be one idiot already and there are no proves for your ape type.
Whether you like it or not binis were lost tribes of the great ife, jump to the clouds everyone knows it and nothing can change that

you yorubas are so desperate to have a history that you will forever keep trying to claim and still that of other people.
What a pity. I believe your history lays in brazil.

prolog2:


Just to see your level, I asked the same question to a toddler and here is his reply: "by those who witnessed history and who could write".

So your level is below that of a toddler.

But our ancestors couldn't write. So you and your toddler are dumb.

prolog2:

you yorubas are so desperate to have a history that you will forever keep trying to claim and still that of other people.
What a pity. I believe your history lays in brazil.

bush man!
Did i tell you I'm Yoruba?

Oh! It's all about tribal superiority that's why you people are denying the truth?

You people don't want to be seen as inferior to the yorubas?

Una mumu o

By the way, who tells you that accepting the truth will make you an inferior tribe?

Black man

JackBizzle:


But our ancestors couldn't write. So you and your toddler are dumb.

Once again, from the toddler: "what about the european visitors ?"

paxonel:
bush man!
Did i tell you I'm Yoruba?

Oh! It's all about tribal superiority that's why you people are denying the truth?

You people don't want to be seen as inferior to the yorubas?

Una mumu o

By the way, who tells you that accepting the truth will make you an inferior tribe?

Black man

I think you lack the ability to think properly. first establish your claim as truth through the form of a proof before calling it such and telling me to accept it with a speech that can only be described as emotional nonesense.
Your ethnicity is irrelevant, it is all about your reasoning and your illogical assumptions which you want to pass as facts.
Unluckily for you, I am a thinker.

prolog2:


Once again, from the toddler: "what about the european visitors ?"

You expect racists who do not understand your culture to write true stories about you?

Dumb toddler

prolog2:
I think you lack the ability to think properly. first establish your claim as truth through the form of a proof before calling it such and telling me to accept it with a speech that can only be described as emotional nonesense.
Your ethnicity is irrelevant, it is all about your reasoning and your illogical assumptions which you want to pass as facts.
Unluckily for you, I am a thinker.

you can't be asking of prove over what is already known everywhere, may be you are the one not listening to your environment.

The official documentation of the national museum and monument have it already that binis originated from ife.

Go to ring road and ask, that is exactly what the binis will tell you.

But again, there are conflicting ideas from some quarters that the binis did not originate from ife, but there are no domentations of that position that is accepted nationally.

You are here talking

JackBizzle:



You expect racists who do not understand your culture to write true stories about you?

Dumb toddler

From the toddler: "No, i expect conspiracy theorists to dream up what happened more than 600 years ago. And ho, so now all white are and have always been racists going all around Africa to write inaccurate tales just to punish Africans".

paxonel:
you can't be asking of prove over what is already known everywhere, may be you are the one not listening to your environment.

The official documentation of the national museum and monument have it already that binis originated from ife.

Go to ring road and ask, that is exactly what the binis will tell you.

But again, there are conflicting ideas from some quarters that the binis did not originate from ife, but there are no domentations of that position that is accepted nationally.

You are here talking

Stop talking around, just prove your claim.
Why are you constantly trying to boast about the credibility of your claims instead of actually proving them. You even go to the extent of saying this "Go to ring road and ask, that is exactly what the binis will tell you". I actually have familly members there and they will not say that at all.
You are just a joke. All you said is complete rubbish and is very similar to saying that enough people have been convinced of your lie therefor it no longer requires proof. How very yoruba of you. ife man stop trying to hide your ethnicity, nobody is bordered.

paxonel:
And you think that throwing words like colonial maps are enough prove to assert errors?

I believe I said "PRECOLONIAL MAPS", a lying idiot like you won't know nor understand what that means.

prolog2:

I believe I said "PRECOLONIAL MAPS", a lying idiot like you won't know nor understand what that means.

bush pig!

read the last paragraph of this and tell me where your foolish pre-colonial maps falls

http://www.dawodu.net/origin.htm

paxonel:
bush pig!

read the last paragraph of this and tell me where your foolish pre-colonial maps falls

http://www.dawodu.net/origin.htm

Now you want to put a mere story at the same level with an actual historical document ?
Man you are dumb. So dumb, you shouldn't be allowed to drive.

Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

prolog2:

Stop talking around, just prove your claim.
Why are you constantly trying to boast about the credibility of your claims instead of actually proving them. You even go to the extent of saying this "Go to ring road and ask, that is exactly what the binis will tell you". I actually have familly members there and they will not say that at all.
You are just a joke. All you said is complete rubbish and is very similar to saying that enough people have been convinced of your lie therefor it no longer requires proof. How very yoruba of you. ife man stop trying to hide your ethnicity, nobody is bordered.

monkey!

Let me quickly quote out what your family members are running from.

SUCCESSION CRISIS AND THE FOUNDING OF THE PRESENT
EWEKA DYNASTY IN BENIN

it is now necessary to narrate the events that led to the
request for a king from Ile-Ife and the founding of the present
dynasty in Benin. The seeming complacence of Oliha and Edion Uzama
during Owodo's misrule seem to have worked against them after the
banishment of Owodo. None of them was called upon to rule over the
people. Rather the people of Ile chose one of their community
leaders Evian. He was appointed as an administrator about 1091.
Evian's rule was peaceful, but he had his own ambition to perpetuate
his family in office. In short, he wanted to establish his own
dynasty. When he became old, his administration started to weaken
and problems started to develop. The people then started agitating
for a new rule. During this period, too, the Oliha during Owodo's
misrule died and he was succeeded by his young son. Evian took
advantage of his situation to nominate his eldest son Ogiemwen and
proceeded to enthrone him. The people of Ile led by the young Oliha
did not accept this arrangement. Moreover, they were aware that
Ekaladerhan the rightful heir was still alive and ruling in Ile-Ife.
The Oliha and the other four members of the Edion Uzama decided to
go to Ekaladerhan Imadoduwa the Ooni of Ife to beg him to return to
Ile to assume his throne in 1153. The Ooni received them, but he was
not happy with them. After the preliminary quarrels, the Ooni told
them that he was not prepared to return to Ile for two reasons namely
that his new kingdom Ile-Ife was too big to be abandoned and that he
had become too old to embark on such a journey. In addition he was
still bitter and had not forgotten about the way the former Oliha had
neglected and abandoned him. But due to the persistent pleading of
the delegation, the Ooni agreed to help them on the condition , they
underwent some tests. They agreed. He gave them some lice to take
home and return with them back to Ile-Ife after three years. Three
years later about 1150, the Oliha and his team returned to Ile-Ife
with the lice. The Ooni was happy with them for having been able to
take care of insects as small as lice. He then concluded that since
they have been able to take care of lice, they would be able to take
care of his son. The Ooni called his eldest son Prince Aigbovo
(alias Omonoyan who had been appointed as successor to the Ooni) to
follow them to Ile to establish an administration. Prince Aigbovo
Omonoyan obeyed his father's instructions and left Ile-Ife with some
allies among whom was the Oloton who was made the sixth member of the
Edion Uzama about 1100 A.D. he stayed in a palace built for him at
Usama and became friendly with Erinmwinde the beautiful daughter of
the Enogie of Egor. She soon became pregnant. But he did not seem
to be receiving full cooperation from the people of Ile after two
years of staying in Usama. It was because of this that he started
calling the town Ile-Ibinu. He abdicated about 1163 A.D. and left
some of his allies to look after his son. He instructed the people
to enthrone his son as the next Oba, before he left for Ile-Ife.
From there Omonoyan proceeded to Oyo where he had another son Oranyan
who later became the Alafin of Oyo. Omonoyan returned to Ile-Ife
about 1167 and succeeded his father as the second Ooni of Ile-Ife.
The instructions he left behind that his child from Erinmwinde should
be enthroned as the king of Oba of Benin was adhered to. This child
was male and was crowned Oba Eweka I. He founded the present
dynasty. What happened was not really the founding of a new dynasty
as such. It was rather the reestablishment of the dynastic line
started by the Theban Prince Ogiso Igodo.

Do you see now that the benin dynasty originated from ife?

Bush bini boy

Obviously you can't be dumb enough to not know that you are merely quoting a work of fiction ! Or perharps you are that dumb.
You believe a guy of our era was able to go back in time for around 1000 years and discover all this fairytale with no actual proof to back up the stories ? yoruba ! you guys will always lie.

prolog2:

Now you want to put a mere story at the same level with an actual historical document ?
Man you are dumb. So dumb, you shouldn't be allowed to drive.

Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

you are one big idiot o!


Keep deceiving yourself that you came from somewhere.

My friend this is benin republic not Nigeria.

When did benin city started speaking French?

Idiot, ewu.

prolog2:
Obviously you can't be dumb enough to not know that you are merely quoting a work of fiction ! Or perharps you are that dumb.
You believe a guy of our era was able to go back in time for around 1000 years and discover all this fairytale with no actual proof to back up the stories ? yoruba ! you guys will always lie.

i thought I was arguing with human being in the first place.

Get out!!!!!

paxonel:
you are one big idiot o!


Keep deceiving yourself that you came from somewhere.

My friend this is benin republic not Nigeria.

When did benin city started speaking French?

Idiot, ewu.

Jesus, you are such an slowpoke !

What in the maps say the people speak french ?

These maps were made before the republic of dahomey ever existed talkless of when it changed its name to Benin republic.

How a big fool like you would feel emboldened enough to call me idiot is beyond my imagination.

By the way, when these maps were made there was also nothing called nigeria.
The country was called Benin Kingdom by the english and royaume du Bénin by the french and Benin Regnum by the dutch ...

Back there in your village filled with illiterate and highly uneducated people you may pass as a genius, but where I live you would be at the bottom with those we call IMBECILES AND FOOLS.

These guys are dumb !!!

Joker Indeed....

enilove:


Can't you see the letter "m " in a bracket after my nickname? That signifies "male". I have nothing to do with ishilove .

...

IT IS MADNESS THAT MAKES SOME MEN TO BE COPULATING WITH MEN , IT IS MADNESS AND DEMONIC.
ANIMALS OF THE SAME SEX DONT COPULATE.
THIS MEANS THE ANIMALS HAVE DIGNITY AND SENSE OF JUDGEMENT THAN THE USELESS GAYS.
SOMETHING THAT IS IRRITITING AND FILTHY TO THE EARS.

Romans 1:27-29,32 KJV
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, [32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=homosexuality+in+animals&oq=homosexuality+in+animals&aqs=chrome..69i57.11622j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Just read that wiki page and your mind would be blown.

Why it is so, don't ask me but that is the reality on ground and let's not even go to the bonobo . Those ones are on anoda level. Homogeneous MouthAction to achieve orgasm and also their orgies. Apes faa!


Back to the topic. I believe in live and let live. No need trying too churn your beliefs on another and another not doing so to me. There is a general human conscience in us all to know what is right and what is wrong. If as a nation we work on that and not religious or political sentiments, we would move mountains on a global scope.

Wishing you well - Teemy

Man those bonobos!
Onye another level!

jokerr:
These are the few harmful and negative effect of Christianity in the society
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith

jokerr:
These are the few harmful and negative effect of Christianity in the society
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith

Religion isn't inherently evil.

I don't think religion has any harmful effect on the society tho.*** Coming from an atheist ***

urahara:



Religion isn't inherently evil.

I don't think religion has any harmful effect on the society tho.*** Coming from an atheist ***

The fact that it is ingrained in most religions that unbelievers are by definition "evil" makes religion inherently evil.

Religion (the Abrahamic religions) are inherently immoral. The only saving grace is that the practitioner can choose to follow the religion in a moral way.


Homophobia, sexism and falsehoods are ingrained in the books or doctrine of the Abrahamic religions.

JackBizzle:


The fact that it is ingrained in most religions that unbelievers are by definition "evil" makes religion inherently evil.

Religion (the Abrahamic religions) are inherently immoral. The only saving grace is that the practitioner can choose to follow the religion in a moral way.


Homophobia, sexism and falsehoods are ingrained in the books or doctrine of the Abrahamic religions.

Good point.

But still , eliminating religion won't make the society better

Some of what the OP said is what we've all experienced. I do have a question though. What we face right now on our world the 'end time' things and so on, is it a product of our own neglect of the rot and vices in our society from the child to the adult or the fulfillment of a long-standing prophecy?

urahara:



Religion isn't inherently evil.

I don't think religion has any harmful effect on the society tho.*** Coming from an atheist ***

[b]It does bro. However, its advantages outweigh the disadvantages, how?. Religion is the best tool to keep people in check (restricting humans from inhumane acts) with the fear of death and afterlife. It helps in giving people amazing fantasies. It gives them hope when they pray to their gods. It also allows them to profess hypocritical love to others. I can continue listing them.
Bad sides of religion.
It forbids logic and reason. It makes people(its adherents) to do extraordinary craz.y things (believing that some demons are disturbing their lives). It makes people to become terrorists (Boko haram, crusades). Charlattans use it as an avenue to manipulate their gullible followers. The list is also endless.
One thing I know in life is that there is nothing that have a good side without the bad side[/B]

urahara:



Religion isn't inherently evil.

I don't think religion has any harmful effect on the society tho.*** Coming from an atheist ***

[b]I know you are being sarcastiIt does bro. However, its advantages outweigh the disadvantages, how?. Religion is the best tool to keep people in check (restricting humans from inhumane acts) with the fear of death and afterlife. It helps in giving people amazing fantasies. It gives them hope when they pray to their gods. It also allows them to profess hypocritical love to others. I can continue listing them.
Bad sides of religion.
It forbids logic and reason. It makes people(its adherents) to do extraordinary craz.y things (believing that some demons are disturbing their lives). It makes people to become terrorists (Boko haram, crusades). Charlattans use it as an avenue to manipulate their gullible followers. The list is also endless.
One thing I know in life is that there is nothing that have a good side without the bad side[/B]

Omooba224:
[b]I know you are being sarcastiIt does bro. However, its advantages outweigh the disadvantages, how?. Religion is the best tool to keep people in check (restricting humans from inhumane acts) with the fear of death and afterlife. It helps in giving people amazing fantasies. It gives them hope when they pray to their gods. It also allows them to profess hypocritical love to others. I can continue listing them.
Bad sides of religion.
It forbids logic and reason. It makes people(its adherents) to do extraordinary craz.y things (believing that some demons are disturbing their lives). It makes people to become terrorists (Boko haram, crusades). Charlattans use it as an avenue to manipulate their gullible followers. The list is also endless.
One thing I know in life is that there is nothing that have a good side without the bad side[/B]

I wasn't being sarcastic in anyway

urahara:



I wasn't being sarcastic in anyway

Then I must say it does, though not directly but by proxy. Like we have some Sharia laws that are against human rights e.g. an ex-q-Muslim will be tagged an apostate or heretic in Saudi Arabia and might be imprisoned or beheaded just because he denounces his religion. This scenario is one of the many harmful effects of religion.