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Bro, you really have no idea what is killing this country. Check this out!

“Of the 193 UN member states, 165 are governed as unitary states”

China, France, UK, Italy, Spain
are some of the notable countries that practice Unitary Form of Govt in the world today. Do these countries have the kind of challenges that Nigeria has self-inflicted upon herself?

Ironsi was/is not our problem unless we want to continue in the pathetic delirium of boot-licking our oppressors while blaming their wickedness on those manly enough to heap dirt on.

Caseless:
even if he was there for one day, what he introduced killed Nigeria. The unitary system is still here till today.

BALLOSKI:
so, you people want to produce president? Not biafra anymore? The whole secession cry is to blackmail all of us into giving you presidency.

Presidency is earned, not given.

It is the errors in the system that brought about secession. Don't be a lifeless specie.

Xander85:
They were both naive and wanted to be more Nigerian than their contemporaries who were more their ethnic groups before considering Nigeria!

Can you imagine there has been no Igbo head of state or president since this man!? And it's all the more mind-boggling when you consider who where the personalities and what groups championed Nigerias' 'independence' and were visiting London for all those constitutional conferences in the 50s.

Are you saying it was Igbo that championed Nigerian's independence? Are you saying Igbo were the major group and personalities that went to London for constitutional conferences? Are you saying it was Igbo that negotiated for Nigeria's independence? You must be joking.

NPN was a party that belong to the north and led by Ahmadu Bello, NCNC was strong in the east and led by Azikiwe, AG was a Western region party and led by Awolowo. Now, tell me which party first moved 'self rule' motion in 1953? Is it not Awolowo's party?
Have you ever heard of ibadan constitutional conference in January 1950? What about Lagos conference in 1953? Which party do you think was responsible for London conference in 1954 which was instrumental to Littleton constitution?
You don't know what you're saying.

bisi16:
Oga mind u, my name being Bisi doesn’t mean I’m Yoruba. I can be as Igbo as u are, I just chose to tell it as it is.
2ndly, the penalty for coup plotting is death, not imprisonment.

And yes Ojukwu is partly responsible. Who goes to war without backup? That’s is stupidity. And then when he got d slightest inclination Biafra would lose, he handed over to Effiong and exiled like Nnamdi Kanu has done. What if Edfiong was executed by Gowon? Quote me, until Igbos have people who are willing to die for the cause, Biafra can never be actualised.

You are Yoruba.

" I just chose to tell it as it is""

U can only tell what u know.

"" the penalty for coup plotting is death, not imprisonment.
""

The coup plotters in Turkey have been in prison for the past 2 years....





"" And yes Ojukwu is partly responsible. Who goes to war without backup? ""

Ojukwu didn't go to war, Rather eastern nigeria met n formed their country n declared independence.
The decision to declare biafra was done by 12 Igbo leaders, (Note that Igbo is an ethnic group consisting of tribes from eastern nigeria). The 12 Igbo leaders comes from tribes that included Efiks, Ijaws, Udi, Arochukwu, Etc. Ojukwu was called upon by the east as the highest ranking soldier n as governor of eastern nigeria to defend his people from a 10 month old Pogrom that resulted in over 30,000 deaths of tribes from eastern nigeria.

Ojukwu did what every leader would have done. If violence breaks out in Nigeria now n for 10 months other tribes in Nigeria kept killing Yorubas until the death toll reaches 120k people, what will tinubu do next after he called for at least 5 peace talk meetings with the rest of nigeria n yet killings of Yorubas continue??


"" And then when he got d slightest inclination Biafra would lose, he handed over to Effiong and exiled like Nnamdi Kanu has done. What if Edfiong was executed by Gowon?""

Hitler, Carlos pudgemont (president of Catalonia in Spain fighting for independnece), Osama bin Laden, Etc app fled so don't make Ojukwu and Nnamdi kanus own seem different.
So u people were wishing eastern nigeria to hand over their leader to u people to kill him publicly like a useless rat? U must be a confused being. For ur information Effiong n other Igbo leaders made sure that Ojukwu was removed from Nigeria to ensure that no harm falls on him, nations protect their leaders n not send him into the enemies camp to die.

U people really think we are stupid.


"" Quote me, until Igbos have people who are willing to die for the cause, Biafra can never be actualised. ""

So all the hundreds of thousands of people who died in 1967 - 1970 didn't die For the cause?

So all the thousands of igbos that died for the cause between 2015 n 2017 didn't die For the cause?











Pick up chinua achebes there was a country n read up so that u will understand what caused the war.

omoelerin1:
Are you saying it was Igbo that championed Nigerian's independence? Are you saying Igbo were the major group and personalities that went to London for constitutional conferences? Are you saying it was Igbo that negotiated for Nigeria's independence? You must be joking.

NPN was a party that belong to the north and led by Ahmadu Bello, NCNC was strong in the east and led by Azikiwe, AG was a Western region party and led by Awolowo. Now, tell me which party first moved 'self rule' motion in 1953? Is it not Awolowo's party?
Have you ever heard of ibadan constitutional conference in January 1950? What about Lagos conference in 1953? Which party do you think was responsible for London conference in 1954 which was instrumental to Littleton constitution?
You don't know what you're saying.

That is the sort of feel good lies their elders in the villages sold to them.

The same elders lied to them that Ojukwu father owned the Roll-Royce that the Queen used on her first visit to Nigeria in Kano

RillJ:
Bro, you really have no idea what is killing this country. Check this out!

“Of the 193 UN member states, 165 are governed as unitary states”

China, France, UK, Italy, Spain
are some of the notable countries that practice Unitary Form of Govt in the world today. Do these countries have the kind of challenges that Nigeria has self-inflicted upon herself?

Ironsi was/is not our problem unless we want to continue in the pathetic delirium of boot-licking our oppressors while blaming their wickedness on those manly enough to heap dirt on.

Those countries you referred to are almost 100% homogeneous unlike Nigeria where our differences can be touched and not just feel.

Why do you think our idea of federalism was borrowed from America? Because of the strong differences in America make up!! Meanwhile Nigeria is even more heterogeneous and way more diverse than America.

A unitary form of govt is only workable in an homogeneous country.

BALLOSKI:
Here's the founder of unitary system of government.



But na him people de scream marginalization pass. They always forget how they helped to create the mess we are in today - but turn around to blame everyone for their woes.

Igbo people! Bunch of deluded hypocrites. They say Obafemi Awolowo hated them, that Yoruba people betrayed them, but they never talk about the demonic trio of Chukwuma Nzeogwu, Nwafor Orizu and Aguiyi Ironsi

CONCLUSION:

Unitary or Federalism is not our problem but rather how we chose as a country to operate our system of govt. U may as well blame Nigeria woes on federalism and the person that introduced it.

Let Nigeria practice true federalism and you will see how beautiful it will look on the country.

gurnam:
Those countries you referred to are almost 100% homogeneous unlike Nigeria where our differences can be touched and not just feel.

Why do you think our idea of federalism was borrowed from America? Because of the strong differences in America make up!! Meanwhile Nigeria is even more heterogeneous and way more diverse than America.

A unitary form of govt is only workable in an homogeneous country.

RillJ:
CONCLUSION:

Unitary or Federalism is not our problem but rather how we chose as a country to operate our system of govt. U may as well blame Nigeria woes on federalism and the person that introduced it.

Let Nigeria practice true federalism and you will see how beautiful it will look on the country.

Ultimately that will lead to regionalism and the positive competition that will engender can only benefit all of us as a nation and citizens

Yyeske:
Let us call a spade what it is, eziokwu bu ndu(truth is life).
Igbos participated in making Nigeria what it is today.

Azikiwe rejected referendum and secession to be inserted into our constitution.

Nzeogwu and his colleagues led a one sided coup.

Ironsi created a unitary government and made the centre stronger than the regions, he didn't execute the coup plotters as expected in the military.

Ojukwu declared Biafra knowing fully well it's a declaration of war against Nigeria, no adequate preparation, weapon or foreign backup. That a pogrom was going on against Ndigbo in the north and Gowon desecrating the Aburi accord shouldn't had made him declare Biafra in a hurry without foreign backup and equipment, the US today would always go into a war with allies, we never had any.

Nnamdi Kanu brought his own madness into the mix by calling for the killing of Yorubas and Hausas, causing more friction between tribes.

Nwanne.....Chukwu gozie gi!!!

PrecisionFx:
You are Yoruba.

" I just chose to tell it as it is""

U can only tell what u know.

"" the penalty for coup plotting is death, not imprisonment.
""

The coup plotters in Turkey have been in prison for the past 2 years....





"" And yes Ojukwu is partly responsible. Who goes to war without backup? ""

Ojukwu didn't go to war, Rather eastern nigeria met n formed their country n declared independence.
The decision to declare biafra was done by 12 Igbo leaders, (Note that Igbo is an ethnic group consisting of tribes from eastern nigeria). The 12 Igbo leaders comes from tribes that included Efiks, Ijaws, Udi, Arochukwu, Etc. Ojukwu was called upon by the east as the highest ranking soldier n as governor of eastern nigeria to defend his people from a 10 month old Pogrom that resulted in over 30,000 deaths of tribes from eastern nigeria.

Ojukwu did what every leader would have done. If violence breaks out in Nigeria now n for 10 months other tribes in Nigeria kept killing Yorubas until the death toll reaches 120k people, what will tinubu do next after he called for at least 5 peace talk meetings with the rest of nigeria n yet killings of Yorubas continue??


"" And then when he got d slightest inclination Biafra would lose, he handed over to Effiong and exiled like Nnamdi Kanu has done. What if Edfiong was executed by Gowon?""

Hitler, Carlos pudgemont (president of Catalonia in Spain fighting for independnece), Osama bin Laden, Etc app fled so don't make Ojukwu and Nnamdi kanus own seem different.
So u people were wishing eastern nigeria to hand over their leader to u people to kill him publicly like a useless rat? U must be a confused being. For ur information Effiong n other Igbo leaders made sure that Ojukwu was removed from Nigeria to ensure that no harm falls on him, nations protect their leaders n not send him into the enemies camp to die.

U people really think we are stupid.


"" Quote me, until Igbos have people who are willing to die for the cause, Biafra can never be actualised. ""

So all the hundreds of thousands of people who died in 1967 - 1970 didn't die For the cause?

So all the thousands of igbos that died for the cause between 2015 n 2017 didn't die For the cause?











Pick up chinua achebes there was a country n read up so that u will understand what caused the war.

Okacha’malu! N’Afrika. Ndi Ipob ekwekwe!
Keep believing what u want, na ur opinion. I rest my case.

wirinet:
I am tired of explaining to you guys that decree 34 effectively destroyed the regional structure of Nigerian. It seems you guys just hold on to the dogma that unification is equal to regionalism and are ready to defend that illogical belief with your lives.

I had advised you guys to read decree 34 of 1966, but you will not. Well, if you cannot find it, I will help you with a link;
https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm

Please read it to know the implication of the decree.

The region's changed from 3 to 4 in 1962, with the creation of Midwest Region, that did not change nigeria's government structure. Even if we had 36 regions then operating the 1959 constitution, our government structure would not have changed. Removing power from 4 regions and replacing it with 4 states subservient to the central government significantly changes the governmental structure.

you are tired because the message is fake news, it takes simple logic to push it down. So it is in your interest to be tired of it and STFU.

Babangida was that deadly.

I'm sure he was even aware of the sketching plots to kill Ironsi as they filled their plates.

bisi16:
JTU Aguiyi-Ironsi: If only he tried and killed the coup plotters of January 66, we would have achieved plenty as a country by now. If U know, u know.


I’ve singing this to everyone who wants to hear. Aguiyi Ironsi and Ojukwu put the Igbos in this mess.

Aguiyi obviously was not a violent man, and that was the more reason that he refused to believe there was mutiny in the army and had blind trust in his Chief of Staff. The same apathy towards violence was what made him to keep the coup plotters in prison.

Ojukwu might get some blame for how he managed the war, and how he treated his lieutenants. I don't believe the secession was a bad call considering the massive killings of Igbos both civilian and military going on in the North without any decisive action from Gowon.

He was however not doing badly in the war initially until his lieutenants became disgusted with how he managed the victories won and decided to withdraw from conquered territories. And unfortunately that action cost the likes of Ifeajuna, Banjo, etc their lives as they were eventually executed for treason. And with that a growing dissension from the lieutenants and viola Biafra fell.

Azikiwe had ambitions of being the president of the largest black nation in the world. And it was said ambition that made him and Awolowo to not support the secession. In hindsight, I laugh at both men in Spanish.

BALLOSKI:
Here's the founder of unitary system of government.



But na him people de scream marginalization pass. They always forget how they helped to create the mess we are in today - but turn around to blame everyone for their woes.

Word!

Nairaland is full of dumb people..... 52 years after people still blame ironsi for nigerias woes?really? Him used juju bind the country? What did he do that our smart yorubas and benevolent hausas could not undo for 52 years..... But the same people re still chanting sai baba upandan, hailing a lifeless, purposeless, n vision less government.

bisi16:
Which general public? Only a section. Coup plotting is punishable by death regardless. Especially when they didn’t even kill one Igbo personality.

LT Colonel Unegbe was a senior military officer who was killed in the coup

buharitill2023:
because the jobless aggressive lazy idiotic pigs of Biafra terrorist have not change.

Renounce your propaganda and let's move this country forward together,
And stop the ethnic hatred.

How do you move the zoo foward?

Sirjamo:
If you Want restructuring, go wake Ironsi from his grave and ask him what he was thinking when he aborted regionalism

I think its safe to say that igbos destroyed Nigeria

gowon aborted regionalism and created the 1st 12 states....dimwit

Ironsi only used a unitary decree to control who bcomes regional administrators...and to ensure the military govt was in unity

Yyeske:
Let us call a spade what it is, eziokwu bu ndu(truth is life).
Igbos participated in making Nigeria what it is today.

Same as any other ethnic group

Azikiwe rejected referendum and secession to be inserted into our constitution

Azikiwe is but one man

Nzeogwu and his colleagues led a one sided coup.[/b]

Every coup in Nigeria was one sided.

[quote]Ironsi created a unitary government and made the centre stronger than the regions

That's how every military regime operates, the centre is always strong. What matters is that structure was not changed by Ironsi

he didn't execute the coup plotters as expected in the military.

He was there for only six months

Ojukwu declared Biafra knowing fully well it's a declaration of war against Nigeria, no adequate preparation, weapon or foreign backup

Gowon had already announced the abolition of the 4 Regions and the creation of 12 states, Ojukwu did not have the luxury of time for careful planning. If Ojukwu had not acted fast and declared Biafra, he would not have been able to do it later.

That a pogrom was going on against Ndigbo in the north and Gowon desecrating the Aburi accord shouldn't had made him declare Biafra in a hurry without foreign backup and equipment, the US today would always go into a war with allies, we never had any

So what should Ojukwu have done? Watch thousands of his people get slaughtered in the North, watch Gowon break the Aburi agreement, watch Gowon divide the Eastern Region into 3 states. You wanted Ojukwu to watch and watch but do nothing? That's not the Igbo man's way of doing things.

Nnamdi Kanu brought his own madness into the mix by calling for the killing of Yorubas and Hausas, causing more friction between tribes.

Nnamdi Kanu is even much better, at least his own was only a call. Hausas have slaughtered uncountable number of Igbos in the North since 1960 to date. Over 50,000 Igbos were slaughtered in the North in 1966 alone. Fulani Herdsmen have slaughtered too many thousands all over Nigeria. Yorubas actively killed Igbos in Lagos and Ibadan during the pogrom of 1966

So if Nnamdi Kanu's own only ended in a mere call in which nobody was killed, he should be given an award. All others did much worse than him.

wirinet:
If Ironsi was not ambitious and he wanted to undemocratically sit on the iron throne, he would have simply arrested the coupists, try them and punish those found guilty. He should have allowed the constitution run its natural course.
He had no business suspending the constitution and promulgating decree 34.

If it was me, I would have arrested all the murderous coup plotters, publicly try them and publicly execute those found guilty, all these within 1 month.

I would then tell the politicians to continue according to laid down rules. Deputy prime minister take over at the national level and deputy premiers take over at regional level. Afterall Mike opara was left unscathed, what stops ironsi from allowing mike Opera to continue as premier of the eastern region.

Finally, I will order the military back to the barracks to await further directions from the incoming civilian administration.

If Ironsi had done all these, he would have been elevated to the status of Mandela in the world.

That is why you are not Ironsi and can not rule. Get your facts straight by reading before speaking

bisi16:
Okacha’malu! N’Afrika. Ndi Ipob ekwekwe! Keep believing what u want, na ur opinion. I rest my case.

Read that book.

dochenaj:
Aguiyi obviously was not a violent man, and that was the more reason that he refused to believe there was mutiny in the army and had blind trust in his Chief of Staff. The same apathy towards violence was what made him to keep the coup plotters in prison.

Ojukwu might get some blame for how he managed the war, and how he treated his lieutenants. I don't believe the secession was a bad call considering the massive killings of Igbos both civilian and military going on in the North without any decisive action from Gowon.

He was however not doing badly in the war initially until his lieutenants became disgusted with how he managed the victories won and decided to withdraw from conquered territories. And unfortunately that action cost the likes of Ifeajuna, Banjo, etc their lives as they were eventually executed for treason. And with that a growing dissension from the lieutenants and viola Biafra fell.

Azikiwe had ambitions of being the president of the largest black nation in the world. And it was said ambition that made him and Awolowo to not support the secession. In hindsight, I laugh at both men in Spanish.

Ojukwu’s failure or that of Biafra originated from the terrible ambition of Azikiwe....

gurnam:
Which agreement and which other tribe ?

The truth is your fathers lost the war woefully so and therefore will look for all excuses to justify such a terrible lost.
There was NEVER any agreeement whatsoever with any other tribe, if you are calling the admonition that Awo have to the FG that Nigeria should not push igbos out of Nigeria or else he will have no choice but to take yorubas too out of Nigeria as an agreement then you lack comprehension.

You fathers lost the the first and only war they’ve ever engaged woefully and it has nothing to do with yorubas.

You igbos we’re doing very well in the northern flank at the beginning of the war until you decided to bring Yorubas into the war by opening another flank towards the SW. if you’ve concentrated and face the northern flank, perhaps the story could have been different

Read more history books and not the ones written by Achebe and stories from your uncles that lost the war.

And which history book have you been reading? In that your history book, what agreement did Ojukwu reach with Awolowo after he released him from Calabar prison?

Shayetet13:
[s]And which history book have you been reading? In that your history book, what agreement did Ojukwu reach with Awolowo after he released him from Calabar prison[/s]?

Stop this foolish lie!! Provide fact and stop the nonsense your village war losers told you

BALLOSKI:
keep deceiving yourself.

In the last 20 years the Yoruba have produced a president and vice president. You belong to the people that are yet to get that in over 30 years . So, don't brag too much.

n of what result or value has DAT produced for d cesspit of A country u have 2day ?, where ur aunty said snake is swallowing millions..but when u lose focus of what ur major concern shld be, it exposes in it entirety WHR y'all mentality has left u..n DAT shamelessly, u deserve d kind of governance u get, Cus u'r remotely part of its making...

redflame:
The 5 majors were initially cheered by the general public and media organizations, so don't blame ironsi for not executing them immediately.

they forget so soon, or definitely don't know

horsepower101:
Focusing on the decree while ignoring the context surrounding that decree is one of the most evil things Nigerians have done to Ironsi legacy.

A military man who saw chaos happening to his beloved country did what any person in his position will do and that was to first and foremost bring order to his country.

The easiest way to stop the national bleeding was to bring the regions under his control since their leaders were assassinated by a south south man.

u are educated

PrecisionFx:
U mean a coup Major Ademoyega and captain Adeleke took part in?

many of dis afonjas are so either outrightly ignorant, or deliberatly ratty,, not coming to terms with acknowledging dis..

gurnam:
Stop this foolish lie!! Provide fact and stop the nonsense your village war losers told you

Am not here to exchange words with you. Tell me the history book you have read. As for Ojukwu releasing Awolowo from calabar prison with an agreement, you will see it all over the internet and also in CIA redacted files online.

gidgiddy:
LT Colonel Unegbe was a senior military officer who was killed in the coup

Who is lt Unegbe compared to Sardauna and the Prime Minister?

mmb:
:-

Ironsi was so naive. A good soldier but a very naive administrator