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iammo:
well I agree to some extent, but the bin laden case is strictly national security, and it is on foreign soil which means US rule of law was technically not violated, Pakistan where bin laden was killed never filled a violation to any international court for its illegal invassion, Pakistan and US has a treaty on secuirity

Pakistani govt actually complained. And I'm not sure the Treaty they have with US is to permit US come unauthorized into their country to kill someone.
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/05/osama-bin-laden-pakistan-us-sovereignty


But we all know the deed is already done and the US will just settled them with some aids to make them keep quiet.


The issues of fundamental human rights are not particular to the US. It's worldwide. We have people being keep as prisoners in Guantanamo Bay for years without trials. That's also against the rule of law.

PVision2020:
Mr Uncommon sense Osama Bin Laden was a US citizen just like several other terrorist (not necessarily indigenes). Your common sense fail to tell you that fundamental human rights is universal and not for US citizens alone.
US can kill people of other nationalities but protect only theirs right? lol
The cardinal tenets of law states that all are equal before the law, Mr Uncommon sense.

The sad thing is that when you type, u don't read it.Otherwise you do b ashamed of yourself for making such statements...

Like seriously.... Osama and the terrorist were US citizens and the rule of law should b maintained
Lemme come and b going with my uncommon sense...

PVision2020:
Ask the Wiki leaks guy why he has refuse to enter America and why US allies have refuse to grant him assylum.
The problem with Nigeria is our DSS is archaic and obsolete unlike this western nations that carries out their operations without leaving a trace.

The wiki case is quite different from locking up a journalist because he is criticising ur govt and it's policy, the wiki guy was just a third party in the whole leakage process and still have a strong case, it's just the rape case hanging in his neck and moreover there are other wiki workers out there that are free from any form of persecution.

DrTonitee:
If you were smart enough you would have noticed that none of the examples you cited were against their own citizens.
But,last last,common sense is not common after all.

Was Osama Bin Laden an American Citizen or not?

Iziquiel:
Was Osama Bin Laden an American Citizen or not?

No sir... He was never ever at any time an American citizen...
Please check your facts....

Minjim:
Pakistani govt actually complained. And I'm not sure the Treaty they have with US is to permit US come unauthorized into their country to kill someone.
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/05/osama-bin-laden-pakistan-us-sovereignty


But we all know the deed is already done and the US will just settled them with some aids to make them keep quiet.


The issues of fundamental human rights are not particular to the US. It's worldwide. We have people being keep has prisoners in Guantanamo Bay for years without trials. That's also against the rule of law.

again Guantanamo Bay is outside US jurisdiction, it is under the sovereignty of Cuba, where torture isn't outlawed. this shows to you that rather for US to break its own laws it rather exploit other countries law. so as not to set bad precedence in the US legal system. however what Buhari would ultimately do with such powers would set a very bad precedence to coming governments after 2019/2023

PVision2020:
Even in advance democracy, the national security supersedes the rule of law.
Under which rule of law was Osama Bin Laden Murdered?
CIA published names of assumed terrorists and place bounty on their head to get them dead or alive without referring to any rule of law.
Under which rule of law were Guatanamo (and several others) inmates incarcerated?
Obama campaigned that he was going to close down Guatanamo bay but was treated with the reality by the service chiefs when he assumed office.
Under which rule of law did Mossad (Israeli secret forces) and CIA etc carry out several extrajudicial killings? Killing nuclear scientist, assumed terrorists, political leaders etc.
Under which rule of law did Western nations use in causing unrest and usurping powers in other nations?
Not every issue of national import can be discuss in the court room and that's why every nation have their CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
There are still 20th century informations that are still classified in the US.
It takes more than being a Mr Nice Guy to rule a nation.
I know it'll be very hard to draw the middle line between supremacy of the national interest and dictatorship, that's the reason why we need to elect a president with good antecedents that we can trust with several clandestine decision.

1.How old were you when Osama Bin Laden bomb US Trade Center?
2.You are dieing to get mentioned

HomeOfMe:
That's my fear. The second term will be very ruthless-no mercy even to the people supporting and massaging his ego now I'm afraid.

Chill. Buhari will only deal with those that err not law abiding citizen...

RurouniKenshin:
Obviously. These guys are getting more demented daily.

It's scary bro

Oblang:
Chill. Buhari will only deal with those that err not law abiding citizen...

The two journalists he held for 2 years extrajudicially, were they 'unlawful abiding citizens'?

eddiebruk:
You are being judgmental of a situation you know nothing about, US will not violate those countries if the UN Security Council does not give them the go ahead, and there was a limiti to their actions, all Nigerians want is to allow same, but the Nigerian Government has decided to do the jobs of NGO’s, the court and the International community. So please educate yourself about international politics before you display your lack of what due process entails.

Did the UN give the United States of America the go ahead to invade Iraq in 2003? Was the Pakistani govt aware of Operation Geronimo Controversy that led to the death of Osama. Did the UN authorise NATO to use air strikes in Libya?

PVision2020:
Even in advance democracy, the national security supersedes the rule of law.
Under which rule of law was Osama Bin Laden Murdered?
CIA published names of assumed terrorists and place bounty on their head to get them dead or alive without referring to any rule of law.
Under which rule of law were Guatanamo (and several others) inmates incarcerated?
Obama campaigned that he was going to close down Guatanamo bay but was treated with the reality by the service chiefs when he assumed office.
Under which rule of law did Mossad (Israeli secret forces) and CIA etc carry out several extrajudicial killings? Killing nuclear scientist, assumed terrorists, political leaders etc.
Under which rule of law did Western nations use in causing unrest and usurping powers in other nations?
Not every issue of national import can be discuss in the court room and that's why every nation have their CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
There are still 20th century informations that are still classified in the US.
It takes more than being a Mr Nice Guy to rule a nation.
I know it'll be very hard to draw the middle line between supremacy of the national interest and dictatorship, that's the reason why we need to elect a president with good antecedents that we can trust with several clandestine decision.

You just spilled the bitter truth but unfortunately the power drunk President forgot what classified really is. The reality is that all around the world national security comes first, infact the Americans broke international security laws by not informing the host nation of the mission when Osama was killed but at the same time such words must not be spoken in public especially in front of civilian lawyers/Barrister's.

pacespot:
Thank you for this apt explanation. Nigerian elder statesmen or Nigerian looters hating the anti looting regime in government. If America should follow the Rule of Law, Donald Trump would have impeached long before now. Nigerian elder hypocrites trying to quote laws that they too are breaking on a daily basis.

On what grounds would Donald Trump be impeached??

all this groups supported gej in 2015 , dont forget .....all this groups are serving self interest ... say no to buhari , say no to pdp

phase1:
The two journalists he held for 2 years extrajudicially, were they 'unlawful abiding citizens'?

What I know is nobody will be going on the street jejely and Buhari will order his arrest for doing that...so like I u don't need to be afraid..

Mttambi:
Can you point to any of such operations as you mentioned above on American soil? You need a FISA court approval/warrant to even spy on an American. Kindly research on the controversy surrounding the four applications to secure a FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page as clear evidence that individuals rights under the law is something America never takes lightly. Follow muller Probe and you will see how America respects the rights of its citizens. This issue should be non-partisan. Irrespective of who is president; we should make sure the rule of law is sacrosanct!!!

But do you know there are Arab Americans incarcerated in Guantanamo?
The fundamental Human Rights that US are signatory to applies to all and not only American citizens. It's the height of lawlessness when you assume that US can do anything to people of other nations. US laws govern US engagement even outside the shores of US.

stevedre:
You just spilled the bitter truth but unfortunately the power drunk President forgot what classified really is. The reality is that all around the world national security comes first, infact the Americans broke international security laws by not informing the host nation of the mission when Osama was killed but at the same time such words must not be spoken in public especially in front of civilian lawyers/Barrister's.

Thumbs up bro. Every presidents knows this, but they won't be as naive and insensitive as buhari to say it in public.

Oblang:
What I know is nobody will be going on the street jejely and Buhari will order his arrest for doing that...so like I u don't need to be afraid..

But if you call out his illegalities and his extrajudicial predispositions and penchant for tyranny then he has the right to arrest abi. Is the country his family's personal property?

Festy4u:
It will amaze you that buhari is being cautioned by his contemporaries while people of younger age bracket for sake of BMC stipends here present on NL keep fooling themselves in support of this usurper!

no mind them

Opinionated:
The man is backed by law.

See How Lawyers Reacted to President Buhari at the Venue after His Rule of Law and National Interest Speech

You're just a dumb idiot.

Because he was hailed doesn't mean he's backed by the law.

Smh. And one day you'd hope to have kids...so that you can pass on your stupidity to them? It's better you're castrated.

iammo:
a sane country would rather enact a more serious law. take its affairs before a competent judge within its jurisdiction rather than unlawful detention. as for bin laden a competent court already pronounced him a wanted Terrorists, and he was killed outside US law Jurisdictions, its left to the Pakistani government to press charges on US government if it feels the invasion was out of the initial security treaty and bilateral agreements

Lol. Enacting strict laws is not the issue and no matter how strict a law is, it has its loop holes, can be suspended at any time because it is not absolute.
As for Bin Laden, he had the right to fair hearing even if he was pronounced a terrorist by a court. Do you know that most Guatanomo inmates have been in detention while their court cases are on-going? Why are they not granted bail while their cases are in court?
Lastly, the Pakistani government protest against the Operation that led to the death of Osama. You should check it up.

iammo:
National interest and national security are two different things. while a nation can suspend human right and the rule of law for national security especially invasion from external forces, international rule of engagement must be followed to avoid sanctions. However National Interest doesn't give right to violate human right and rule of lawhi




For people continuously singing Bin Laden case. that is strictly national Security and a US court had declared him wanted for terrorism, However killing him was done on foreign soil outside US rule of law or jurisdiction, in case any rule was broken its for Pakistan Government to approach United Nation if it feels US violated any security treaty or bilateral agreement between them




Again Guantanamo bay is not under US Law or Jurisdiction as it is Under Cuban sovereignty so no US law was violated. the problem with allowing Buhari violate our laws is that it would set a bad precedence which other Government would follow after his tenure 2019 or 2023. after his military rule started with the idea of illegal detention in the 80s other regime followed suite and he was detained, and MKO lost his life to such reckless disregard to laws of the land

God bless you, this is what i tried explaining to one of those zombies in previous thread

PVision2020:
Even in advance democracy, the national security supersedes the rule of law.
Under which rule of law was Osama Bin Laden Murdered?
CIA published names of assumed terrorists and place bounty on their head to get them dead or alive without referring to any rule of law.
Under which rule of law were Guatanamo (and several others) inmates incarcerated?
Obama campaigned that he was going to close down Guatanamo bay but was treated with the reality by the service chiefs when he assumed office.
Under which rule of law did Mossad (Israeli secret forces) and CIA etc carry out several extrajudicial killings? Killing nuclear scientist, assumed terrorists, political leaders etc.
Under which rule of law did Western nations use in causing unrest and usurping powers in other nations?
Not every issue of national import can be discuss in the court room and that's why every nation have their CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
There are still 20th century informations that are still classified in the US.
It takes more than being a Mr Nice Guy to rule a nation.
I know it'll be very hard to draw the middle line between supremacy of the national interest and dictatorship, that's the reason why we need to elect a president with good antecedents that we can trust with several clandestine decision.

Very sound script. Good antecedents, the key thing.

lastempero:
The wiki case is quite different from locking up a journalist because he is criticising ur govt and it's policy, the wiki guy was just a third party in the whole leakage process and still have a strong case, it's just the rape case hanging in his neck and moreover there are other wiki workers out there that are free from any form of persecution.

I'm not justifying the excesses of Buharis' govt, I just want to clarify that it's an open secret that every nation exalt it National Interest above the rule of law. As a matter of fact the national interest determines the rule of law and not the reverse.

phase1:
But if you call out his illegalities and his extrajudicial predispositions and penchant for tyranny then he has the right to arrest abi. Is the country his family's personal property?

I may not be able to defend the excesses of some of our security agencies which didn't start nw but I am yet to see Buhari order the arrest of anyone without a question to answer. As far as this dispensation is concerned, Buhari have not exhibited any tyrannical tendencies that have not bin witness b4 with other presidents since 1999. Whatever u think Buhari is doing nw, obj did worse, most times to serve his own personal interest...

PVision2020:
Thumbs up bro. Every presidents knows this, but they won't be as naive and insensitive as buhari to say it in public.

Truth! PMB is just too naive.

eddiebruk:
You are being judgmental of a situation you know nothing about, US will not violate those countries if the UN Security Council does not give them the go ahead, and there was a limit to their actions, all Nigerians want is to allow same, but the Nigerian Government has decided to do the jobs of NGO’s, the court and the International community. So please educate yourself about international politics before you display your lack of what due process entails.

Did the UN Security Council gave US approval to invade abbotabad (Pakistan) to kill Osama Bin Laden. Were they (NATO) given approval to invade Libya to topple Gadaffi's regime? Which of US or Russia got UN approval for their activities in Syria?
Give me one approval Israel got for several of their operations?

PVision2020:
I'm not justifying the excesses of Buharis' govt, I just want to clarify that it's an open secret that every nation exalt it National Interest above the rule of law. As a matter of fact the national interest determines the rule of law and not the reverse.

We all know that but that of our president is too much.

Just2endowed2:
oga have we gotten to this level that buhari will now be claiming dictatorship n highest tyranny in the country?

Have any ameriacn citizen in american soil be subject to osama bin laden treatment?

we are talking about individual right as a citizen which the court have to judge and decide

mention just one person that ought not to be in jail but currently in jail courtesy buhari

ericsmith:
mention just one person that ought not to be in jail but currently in jail courtesy buhari

its not about only being in jail or not. its about violating rule of law and turning urself to demigod.

Its a shame i will highlight just one person to u but u can google the rest.

journalist abiri in court after 2years detention in dss cell

phase1:
Politicians are usually very ruthless during their second tenure because they have nothing to lose and no longer need your vote. Buhari takes that ruthlessness to another level as a tyranmic dictator. If buhari gets a second tenure. He will...

- Be very ruthless with the media, many journalists will be either jailed or killed.

- He will clamp down on social media, and take away the only voice the people have to say the truth to power.

- Bye Bye to your freedom of Information and expression.

- State sponsored gestapo-styled assasinations will be the other of day. Buhari hates the judiciary and thinks the courts are useless. He believes in arbitrary arrest, detention and extrajudicial killing by the executioners in the executive.

- Nigerians will gnash their teeth in 2019 if buhari wins again.

Nice one. Perfect reasoning. God bless you.