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gallivant:
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Not to read too much but some of these paintings cant be random? How do you have tanks, jets and infantry aimed at Somalia and then on Somalia's position you write "Kenya Vision 2030" Is the govt planning to annex Somalia by 2030 or what?

gallivant:
Administration Police: drilled to perfection

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This would never happen in Nigeria and Tz due to indiscipline and laziness respectively ..

TayserMahiri:
This would never happen in Nigeria due to indiscipline and in Tz due to laziness...

Did u ever won any war?

Kazikazi:
Did u ever won any war?

Policemen dont fight

Tanzania; thanda island

TayserMahiri:
Well, it looked like you were more after cush blood than anything. We were just afraid you were trying to be a sellout.

First time am coming across that quote. So who were the original Jews? And WHEN exactly was this original?

Yes, finally for the first time I can concede that you are right on the last bit and the Naija-Congo hypothesis is totally weak, on all fronts. Apparently, the evidence for the Congo story is just as much (or little) as the evidence for Sudanic origins (Ethio-Sahel). Both are based on language morphology and typological classifications. Not even archaeological evidence! That hypothesis becomes hogwash if we account for oral narratives. Luckily it was just a hypothesis, not even a theory, let alone fact. For as long as there is no tangible evidence, the oral narratives should override all other hypotheses.

https://www.persee.fr/doc/cea_0008-0055_1972_num_12_46_2768

I think it's good that you and kikuyu1 are saying this. At least you cultureless East African bantus are now claiming origins from elsewhere.

You don't know how much we west Africans feel so embarrassed and ashamed when you primitive Bantu east Africans (especially Kenyans) claim to originate from us.

You guys couldn't even manage to build a single kingdom or empire but continued living nakedd in forests for centuries and even till date (masais and northern kenyans come to my mind).

Tea and blanket party celebrating primitives

Save the sermons, you guys have mixed Anglo-saxon, Germanic, Vedic and Malayo-polynesian origins

Are you people happy now?

mtisTheQubit:
What happened to our naija peeps..did they got a visit from skull hunters

Lol, no, we heard Kenyans are now on the hunt for light skinned Africans since there have been a massive shortage of Albinos in Kenya. The massive export of Albinos to Tanzania by Kenyan merchants have made Albinos almost extinct over there. So, Kenyans now prey on anything lightskin.

We also heard that Masais have graduated from Animal blood drinking to full fledged vampires and they have infected all other Kenyans with this syndrome, so, every Kenyan is a potential suspect.

Nowenuse:
I think it's good that you and kikuyu1 are saying this. At least you cultureless East African bantus are now claiming origins from elsewhere.

You don't know how much we west Africans feel so embarrassed and ashamed when you primitive Bantu east Africans (especially Kenyans) claim to originate from us.

You guys couldn't even manage to build a single kingdom or empire but continued living nakedd in forests for centuries and even till date (masais and northern kenyans come to my mind).

Tea and blanket party celebrating primitives

Save the sermons, you guys have mixed Anglo-saxon, Germanic, Vedic and Malayo-polynesian origins

Are you people happy now?

Yes of course we are very happy. The last thing we want to hear is that we ever lived in West Africa.

TayserMahiri:
Policemen dont fight

How would he know when Tanzania operates like a gulag?

TayserMahiri:
He certainly sounds angry, rather understandably I'd say, but he has some valid points. A lot of Oromo history has been eroded/distorted by centuries of demonization by Abyssinian rulers, court historians and monks. Dont know if you know this but Oromos have always been the check against Abyssinian/ Aksumite expansion to the south for the past 2,000 years, much to the irk of Ethiopians/Abyssinians. Which they are still doing now by protesting the expansion of Addis into Oromiya. Its quite an old confrontation. Things were possibly the same as they are now even 1,000 years ago, confrontation-wise.

Came across some descriptions/depictions of Oromos from ancient Abyssinian rulers, noblemen and clergy and it was quite nasty. Ethiopian clergymen used to say Oromos emerged from water and were therefore not as 'evolved' as Amharas. One Abyssinian historian named Alaqa Taye claimed Oromos originated from Madagascar and Asia and entered Africa via Mombasa from where they moved North.
An Abyssinian monk called Bahrey wrote the following in his book The History of the Galla in words clearly meant to stir hatred against Oromos:


Sources show Oromos have always been in that extensive region for millenia, even earlier that Habishas as per some sources. The Oromia regions of the upper Nile were often referred to as Punt, Cush (Kush), or Ethiopia. Some pillars that Oromos used to create their Calendar System were discovered in northern Kenya which were dated to around 300 B.C! Oromo's would definitely count as one of the longest lasting victims of prejudice whose history has been too distorted by foreign forces that their role in ancient civilization may be hard to trace. They were probably facing the same prejudice back then. Not to say they were definitely part of Kush as I too have no evidence, but its unlikely they had nothing to do with it given their history of regional trade in gold, ivory, myrrh, etc. with Egypt, Greece, Rome and Persia.

Hmm, what do we have here.

Some good cushitic asss-kissing seem to be going on here.

I guess since we west africans have rejected you Kenyan Bantus, you are now desperately looking elsewhere for identification and solidarity.

Cushitic tribes and other Horn African tribes have always despised other Black Africans and that is because of you low self-esteem, asss-kissing primitive Kenyan Bantus

Nowenuse:
Hmm, what do we have here.

Some good cushitic asss-kissing seem to be going on here.

I guess since we west africans have rejected you Kenyan Bantus, you are now desperately looking elsewhere for identification and solidarity.

Cushitic tribes and other Horn African tribes have always despised other Black Africans and that is because of you low self-esteem, asss-kissing primitive Kenyan Bantus

Whatis ass kissing there? Dont bring ur usual Nowenigans.

ababda:
Not all Sudanese are nubians, and the term Nubians were not a collective group, but it consist of many different nationalities. However there is a difference between the Nuba people from the Nuba mountains, than Nubians.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdtA7oKmlWU


This group above is depicted
http://archive.is/rPypk#selection-19.0-26.0

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and these are people from the Nuba mountains,





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OylCfLgiZak

[img]https://www.tourprom.ru/site_media/images/news/20837/nubiitsy.jpg[/img]

and both groups was represented although they were separate, one group always resided south, while the other was more or less in various time in history part of Egypt.




http://www.occasionalwitness.com/content/nuba/02Culture04wrestling.htm

Nice.

What language is the first song in? Arabic?

Nowenuse:
Nice.

What language is the first song in? Arabic?

What a dumb question. Typical empty head Nowenuse.

TayserMahiri:
Not to read too much but some of these paintings cant be random? How do you have tanks, jets and infantry aimed at Somalia and then on Somalia's position you write "Kenya Vision 2030" Is the govt planning to annex Somalia by 2030 or what?

Lol

I missed that completely. I was focused on the pic below, it will be easier to annex if we moved a few assets south west. It's right there for the taking and only America might stop us.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/6057779_img20171004101508_jpeg98e42d212554ff1f981b213b662682ab

gallivant:
How would he know when Tanzania operates like a gulag?

Dont u have military policemen in kenya?

gallivant:
Lol

I missed that completely. I was focused on the pic below, it will be easier to annex if we moved a few assets south west. It's right there for the taking and only America might stop us.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/6057779_img20171004101508_jpeg98e42d212554ff1f981b213b662682ab

Pwa ha ha ha ha......You kiberan to annex somalia? If u cant feed urselves how can u be able to occupy a new territory? Ho ho ho ho...what a fallacy! Poor kiberans

Dar es salaam,Tanzania

Tanzania..Dar es salaam

Tanzania.The most beautiful nation in africa

Kazikazi:
Tanzania.The most beautiful nation in africa

Tanzania is truly the beauty of Africa. Hmm or should I say East Africa?

Gambia, Senegal & Cape Verde are also very beautiful. These are the top tourist destinations in West Africa.

Nowenuse:
Tanzania is truly the beauty of Africa. Hmm or should I say East Africa?

Gambia, Senegal & Cape Verde are also very beautiful. These are the top tourist destinations in West Africa.

Yes Tanzania is the beauty of Africa.these other nations are beautiful but not as much as Tanzania.I believe God has a great plans in this land.

Kazikazi:
Yes Tanzania is the beauty of Africa.these other nations are beautiful but not as much as Tanzania.I believe God has a great plans in this land.

True, Tanzania is beautiful and blessed with a vast fertile landscape, amazing wildlife and all.

The most important of all, Tanzania enjoys extreme peace and unity. No ethnic or religious divisions at all.

Ethnic and religious differences go a long way in fighting the progress of Nigeria. In fact, it is the main cause of Nigeria's problems.

So, sometimes I wonder what is Tanzania's problem really? Tanzania should be among the most prosperous nations in Africa. What is really wrong?

TayserMahiri:
Depends on what you mean by early humans. The term early humans traditionally refers to the earliest members of the genus Homo, i.e Homo habilis (Handy man) and Homo erectus (Upright man). Most of the fossils found in Ethiopia's Afar region are earlier lineages which eventually led to the genus Homo, such as Lucy and the Dikika Baby, both Australopithecines. So generally, Ethiopia seems to have been a place where precursors of Homo thrived. In that aspect then you are definitely right.

However, when it comes to the genus Homo itself, the true early humans, Ethiopia is quite under-represented, fossil-wise. Kenya, Tanzania and SA take the chunk of fossils from this genus. Generally, Ethiopia was a transition zone from Australopithecus to Homo. It seems like as soon as Australopithecines started transitioning into Homo in Afar region, they began to move around particularly southwards and maybe towards the north, Morocco-ish area, where members continued evolving, eventually into Homo sapiens. Good to mention here that there was a whole bunch of other Homos (pun ) that emerged, at one point or another in the general period, aside from the two famous and direct ancestors, Homo habilis and Homo erectus. These are Homo rudolfensis, Homo ergaster, Homo gautengensis, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis, Homo cepranensis, Homo neanderthalensis (the neanderthals), and many others not mentioned, and others that havent been discovered yet, and others that might or even will never be discovered. Most, of course, went extinct, honorably. Eventually, modern humans emerged; SOMEWHERE.

Strictly from the latest evidence, we can now say that modern humans emerged in Morocco, due, of course, to the Jebel Irhoud discovery last year. No one knows, yet, if there were other hominin groups who had won the race to become human elsewhere. And you cannot rule it out, and its likely to change with new evidence. What is clear is that West Africa, Congo, Guinea, Gambia area, that tucked corner and general Western area was avoided like a plague even by the earliest humans. Nigeria in particular. Some of the other most notable areas where BRAND NEW humans were present include Kenya where there is clear evidence of anatomically modern humans over 300,000 yrs ago and S.A where Homo naledis lived 250,000 yrs ago (these ones not exactly humans or even newbies, appearing almost 100,000 years later). Homo naledis actually went extinct but they were kinda half Homo half Australopithecines. They likely moved south as Australopithecus and kept detaching and leaving behind other Australo members, evolving, and heading further south till they reached S.A, where they became their own mini-humans, in relative isolation, much in the same way new tribes emerge(d). SA has the highest prevalence of Australopithecine fossils alongside Ethiopia. We could as well deduce that the whole land between Ethio and SA had a fair distribution of Australopithecines, only that their discovery has been skewed.

Some of the countries where early humans might have been evolving simultaneously, from fossil evidence, include Ethiopia, Eritrea, Morocco, Algeria, Kenya, Tanzania, Malawi, South Africa, Georgia (yes, believe it or not Homo erectus was walking there 1.8 Million yrs ago, no Homo sapiens tho), China, Indonesia, Turkey, and even Hungary! I get it you specified Africa, wenedem, but I added outside Africa to show solidarity with pre-humans who, through thick and thin, had managed to trek thousands of miles outside Africa without GPS or magnetic navigation, millions of years ago. What looks evident is that all hominins (not hominids) who made the blunder of leaving Africa prematurely, i.e before they had turned into Homo sapiens, never made it! They went extinct. Only those who were carried full term in Africa's bossom managed to get to the human level. Am not suggesting the goal was to become humans . Neanderthals did try but things got too thick soon as they encountered full-term brainiacs from Africa.

Woo, you know how to explain things. I’m addicted.

Ethiopia is referred by most as the origin of Human. Is this based on the fossils of pre-Homo genes or Home-genes? Yes the new evidence show that Homo genes originated in Morocco but before this it was believed in Ethiopia. The point of the question is if Ethiopia was referred as the origin based in pre-Homo genes, then this means the latter are indeed considered archaic or pre-archaic Human. If this is the case then this will not affect the motto “Ethiopia origin of Human”. Am I right?

Nowenuse:
True, Tanzania is beautiful and blessed with a vast fertile landscape, amazing wildlife and all.

The most important of all, Tanzania enjoys extreme peace and unity. No ethnic or religious divisions at all.

Ethnic and religious differences go a long way in fighting the progress of Nigeria. In fact, it is the main cause of Nigeria's problems.

So, sometimes I wonder what is Tanzania's problem really? Tanzania should be among the most prosperous nations in Africa. What is really wrong?

I think we should ask what went wrong? In a simple answer: Bad governance.although some signs of developments are seen,there is a huge task ahead.our economy grows by about7% annually although I believe it have to grow by double digits in order to get to where Malaysia or South korea are.

TayserMahiri:
I can feel the prejudice in the bolded . Are you saying Oromos are naturally destructive savages even historically?

What is your view on federalism? I saw there was an EPRDF convention today where Abiy entertained the idea. Would it settle the Oromo issue? Was a top trending topic on Kenyan twitter.

No, I’m not saying Oromo are naturally destructive. But during their expansion and settlement they were intentionally destructive. Even animals which aren’t cattle in the area they conquer are sometimes intentionally killed by them.

I’m fine with federalism but I perfer the current regional map to be modified. About the Oromo issue, I doubt because the Oromo extremists organization OLF has entered the country and they have lots of supporters. Some of their followers prefer federalism and some not but one thing is clear and this is they want to take other regions areas and dominate Ethiopia.

There were Kenyan guests in th convention. Was it the top topic on Kenyan Twitter because of the guests or do you guys just follow the top situation in Ethiopia?

Bad governance - would denote your political systems was corrupt or dictatorial compared to other countries in Sub-Sahara.

According to World Bank there are six indicators of governance which are Voice and Accountability (VA), Political Stability and Absence of Violence (PSAV), Government’s Effectiveness (GE), Rule of Law (RL), Regulatory Quality (RQ) and Control of Corruptions (CC).

Bad governance doesn't work for TZ. It explain why Nigeria is poor. It also could explain why Kenya is poor. TZ political elite is generally less corrupt & more democratic -"one party state".

TZ is plagued more by POOR LEADERSHIP THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY MADE BAD POLICIES AFTER ANOTHER. TZ leadership right from Nyerere have made plunder after plunders. Now Magufuli is continuing on that legacy.

Whilst kenya super-corrupt leaders care more about the bottom-line of the people (reducing poverty and increasing access to health, nutrition, housing, education and economic opportunities) majority of TZ leaders are given to grand-standing preaching useless rhetoric day (anti-colonialists,equality, communism, exploitation) in day out - something they learnt from Mwalimu Julius Nyerere an ideological demagogue like Kwame Nkrumah!. Ghanaians have to thank Jimmy Rawling from saving them the Tanzania curse - country where people just lazy around talking endlessly!!.

Nobody in TZ cares about facts such as nearly all of them cannot write a sentence in English after 12 years of education.

The 7% growth is happening mostly in mining sector. You can ask Nigeria how far that has taken them. It's not the broad-based economic growth that can lift people out of poverty.

Kazikazi:
I think we should ask what went wrong? In a simple answer: Bad governance.although some signs of developments are seen,there is a huge task ahead.our economy grows by about7% annually although I believe it have to grow by double digits in order to get to where Malaysia or South korea are.

Hati13:
No, I’m not saying Oromo are naturally destructive. But during their expansion and settlement they were intentionally destructive. Even animals which aren’t cattle in the area they conquer are sometimes intentionally killed by them.

I’m fine with federalism but I perfer the current regional map to be modified. About the Oromo issue, I doubt because the Oromo extremists organization OLF has entered the country and they have lots of supporters. Some of their followers prefer federalism and some not but one thing is clear and this is they want to take other regions areas and dominate Ethiopia.

There were Kenyan guests in th convention. Was it the top topic on Kenyan Twitter because of the guests or do you guys just follow the top situation in Ethiopia?

Hmm, interesting.
Africa and ethnic differences.

Can you please explain how you want the Ethiopian regions to be modified?

Now that Oromos seem more powerful in ET, can we say that they are now more in control of ET than the Tiigrays?

Can you also explain how you mean Oromos want to take over other regions? How do they plan to do this?

Is Abiy Ahmed a supporter of Oromo supremacy and domination? As a muslim, is he also pro-islamic?

rvp2018:
Bad governance - would denote your political systems was corrupt or dictatorial compared to other countries in Sub-Sahara.

According to World Bank there are six indicators of governance which are Voice and Accountability (VA), Political Stability and Absence of Violence (PSAV), Government’s Effectiveness (GE), Rule of Law (RL), Regulatory Quality (RQ) and Control of Corruptions (CC).

Bad governance doesn't work for TZ. It explain why Nigeria is poor. It also could explain why Kenya is poor. TZ political elite is generally less corrupt & more democratic -"one party state".

TZ is plagued more by POOR LEADERSHIP THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY MADE BAD POLICIES AFTER ANOTHER. TZ leadership right from Nyerere have made plunder after plunders. Now Magufuli is continuing on that legacy.

Whilst kenya super-corrupt leaders care more about the bottom-line of the people (reducing poverty and increasing access to health, nutrition, housing, education and economic opportunities) majority of TZ leaders are given to grand-standing preaching useless rhetoric day (anti-colonialists,equality, communism, exploitation) in day out - something they learnt from Mwalimu Julius Nyerere an ideological demagogue like Kwame Nkrumah!. Ghanaians have to thank Jimmy Rawling from saving them the Tanzania curse - country where people just lazy around talking endlessly!!.

Nobody in TZ cares about facts such as nearly all of them cannot write a sentence in English after 12 years of education.

The 7% growth is happening mostly in mining sector. You can ask Nigeria how far that has taken them. It's not the broad-based economic growth that can lift people out of poverty.

Nigeria's foundational problem is ethno-religious divisions. This led to the Nigerian civil war which destroyed the original workable regional system of government, brought decades of military rule and dumped us into an unworkable system of government.

Kenya's problems are extreme corruption and nothing else.

Nowenuse:
Nice.

What language is the first song in? Arabic?

No it is not in Arabic, it is one of the Nubian dialects, which is still spoken by many people in Northern Sudan Nile valley and parts of upper Egypt from Aswan to luxor Egypt.