Ymo 265.msg7183268#msg7183268 date=1290275863:

Beaf has said it all. i just pity those Yorubas they are so gullible. Look at them. Exhibiting their IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY to the world. Fuel less Generator Ni Hazard free Ko.

why are you looking at the situation ethnically?? . are they not nigerians? is their happiness not yours as a fellow nigerian??

jason12345:

why are you looking at the situation ethnically?? . are they not nigerians? is their happiness not yours as a fellow nigerian??

And why the frell are you responding to his stupidity there? What do you gain from that?

Kobojunkie:

And why the frell are you responding to his stupidity there? What do you gain from that?

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homerac7:

In as much as I commend d efforts of d young Pupils I feel obliged to rebuke d reporter for sensational colouration.

I am a mechanical engineer an sense of professional duty demands dt d newer generation r groomed appropriately.

While d work of d youngsters is praiseworthy, it should not b presented as though they own d technology. D technology is all over town and is ordinary.

Secondly, d description is most inappropriate, unscientific and mischievously calculated to misguide unsuspecting public. There is nothing as fuel-less engine just as there is no effortless machine. It's a basic law dt energy(electricity inclusive) can neither b created nor destroyed. U only get conversion from a form to another. So if there's electrical energy output, wasn't there input? Is work output over input unity, thereby creating a perpetual motion machine wc engineering laws say r impossible?

D claim as published is plain silly and irresponsible. It's an engineering professional duty to show responsibility to d society and not mislead them. D project is merely a junior students work wc an electrical engineer will b quick to point out its crudeness as cheaper and less moving-part electrical components can easily b substituted for d mechanical parts to reduce wear losses and improve performance. They r only students dt need to b tutored properly and developed character wise. Definitely by teaching them sincerity and not deception or mediocrity.

Are you trying to be clever or you'r suffering from a daft a la daftism illness? Since you claimed to be a professional Mechanical engineer, and if true, what on earth about power generation through magnetic flux don't you understand? Where in that article did the kids claim there was no "input" into the system? So funny that with all your education, you could not fathom that the headline was written in the contex of the present predicament of Nigeria as par electricity generation using Fuel (aka PETROL)? Funny how you fail to understand what the whole article was trying to point out! I.e. these kids (albeit mere Junior students as you stupidly claimed) were able to grasp the fundamentals of such a core technology and took a step further to put their understanding to work. Hence if given the need impetus, these kids nd their likes all over Nigeria will form the back bone of the Industrailized Nigeria in 2050 and beyond.
I am lost as to how you came to your obnoxious conclusions that these kids were being misled, deceived and misinformed! I think I could summarize your post thus: senseless rants! Take the article for what it is and stop insinuating! The part of your comment in bold leaves me wondering if you truly know so much about heat transfer and power generation!

ROFLMAO!! Nigerians and wordplay . . . . chai

ROFLMAO!!!

Beaf, I think you're wrong in stating that free energy technologies are all fraudulent.

In fact, you are very very wrong my friend.

There is a LOT of suppressed technology out there - suppressed because making it widely available would end the wealth of the tiny minority who milk us by our dependence on their costly, fuel-based technologies, from cars to airplanes.

ROSSIKE:

Beaf, I think you're wrong in stating that free energy technologies are all fraudulent. In fact, you are very very wrong my friend.
There is a LOT of suppressed technology out there - suppressed because making it widely available would end the wealth of the tiny minority who milk us by our dependence on their costly, fuel-based technologies, from cars to airplanes.

Whilst I apreciate your perspective and level of reasoning on this issue, I beg to differ from your conclusion as par the part in bold of your post. The only reason crude oil based energy source is still widely used today is simply because of the following issues:
1. Relatively cheap at source and good value for money compared to alternatives.
2. Attendant risk is well known to a large exent compared to alternatives.
3. The multi-purpose derivatives of crude oil based energy source compared to alternatives.
4. The enormous value added chain crude oil based energy source which leaves government with swollen purse of tax revenues compared to alternatives.
5. It is a complete myth for anyone to make you believe that alternatives to crude oil based energy will solve the world's energy need. Come to think of it, even the so called hybrid technologies, they all rely on crude oil based energy in one form or the other e.g. electric cars: How do you manufacture the so called lithium or other form of batteries currently being used in these cars?

Finally, I think God knew best that the earth will rely on crude oil based energy for her survival hence the reason He (God) opened the eyes of men to not only discover crude oil but also to work out how vastly it could change humanity and human development forever!

ROSSIKE:

Beaf, I think you're wrong in stating that free energy technologies are all fraudulent.

In fact, you are very very wrong my friend.

There is a LOT of suppressed technology out there - suppressed because making it widely available would end the wealth of the tiny minority who milk us by our dependence on their costly, fuel-based technologies, from cars to airplanes.

There might be what you call "suppressed technologies." but that is totally different from free energy or anything that breaks the law of conservation of energy, or the first or second laws of thermodynamics; everything in that group (eg the perpetual motion machine of the current topic) is a hoax.

Nigerians are funny. The reaction here is simply amazing. Its not like GEJ made this invention part of his PHCN 2014 mandate. Tone down and at least commend them for starting, they will fail and learn and we are all better for it. People are quick to quote science impossibilities, as if when the Wright brothers invented the plane, were scientists not skeptical and proved it impossible?

Not perfect, probably flawed, no innovation is perfect we learn by failing. It is a start and they should be encouraged, save them before they join another reality TV show to make a living.

kcjazz:

Nigerians are funny. The reaction here is simply amazing. Its not like GEJ made this invention part of his PHCN 2014 mandate. Tone down and at least commend them for starting, they will fail and learn and we are all better for it. People are quick to quote science impossibilities, as if when the Wright brothers invented the plane, were scientists not skeptical and proved it impossible?

Not perfect, probably flawed, no innovation is perfect we learn by failing. It is a start and they should be encouraged, save them before they join another reality TV show to make a living.

I think you have missed the main point which is that there should be no excuse for BAD JOURNALISM. Simple!

^^^ Maybe am missing something but I have read comments that are targeted to the students and their teachers.

@ Omo_tier,

I'm so frozen from ur sudden and senseless attack dt I don't know how to appropriately react to ur poor grasp of my points.

It's obvious dt u came late to d party and weren't patient enough to follow my line of argument.

I have said it earlier dt I have no qualms wt d pupils, rather I praise their effort.

The project wasn't invented by them so d reporter is wrong to say they 'created' it. Refer to my earlier posts.

They r mere secondary school kids and I don't expect them to b experts.

It Ws described as generator. Refer to dictionary for meaning and compare wt system in discussion.

An expert, electrical engineer in ds case, will simply invert d d.c, control and step it up in a high gain X-former wt same or higher output and lesser losses.

D reporter is a poorly informed noisemaker like u.

Since u r not generating d electricity from d start, ur dynamo is avoidable.

Next time u want to challenge me on engineering judgement, go get better knowledge or shut up.

Liars. They did no s.h, it. There are two things here. The school want to raise their rep. by deceiving Nigerian Children and Hoping to get some favour from Dora and Big Thief's Wife Josephine.

I have little blame for the journalist or the kids.
The journalist is just your average, ignorant man on the street. I absolutely blame the teachers and the school for wheeling out such an incredible hoax and painting a false picture to the press. There is no excuse under the sun for propagating fraudulent stories.

The story and the students work were projected in a very fraudulent light. It is like 419, kids should never be made to partake in fraud of any nature.

kcjazz:

^^^ Maybe am missing something but I have read comments that are targeted to the [b]students [/b]and their teachers.

Are u sure of the part in bold?

I must commend homerac and beaf for showing that there are stil nigerians that cant be bamboozled. And even dora the great scientist<lol> stood there and listened to utter rubbish. That school should be monitored by the education ministry to make sure they are nt charlatanizing educational curriculum

Omo_Tier1:

Are you trying to be clever or you'r suffering from a daft a la daftism illness? Since you claimed to be a professional Mechanical engineer, and if true, what on earth about power generation through magnetic flux don't you understand? Where in that article did the kids claim there was no "input" into the system? So funny that with all your education, you could not fathom that the headline was written in the contex of the present predicament of Nigeria as par electricity generation using Fuel (aka PETROL)? Funny how you fail to understand what the whole article was trying to point out! I.e. these kids (albeit mere Junior students as you stupidly claimed) were able to grasp the fundamentals of such a core technology and took a step further to put their understanding to work. Hence if given the need impetus, these kids nd their likes all over Nigeria will form the back bone of the Industrailized Nigeria in 2050 and beyond.
I  am lost as to how you came to your obnoxious conclusions that these kids were being misled, deceived and misinformed! I think I could summarize your post thus: senseless rants! Take the article for what it is and stop insinuating! The part of your comment in bold leaves me wondering if you truly know so much about heat transfer and power generation!

of recent, there have been quite a number of people advertising 'fuel-less' generators which they say are not inverters and dont need any form of input, in addition to not having any moving part, one even came to constitute a nuisance in the electrical engineers thread. That's the proper context of the story. . .the reporter is a quack who didn't feel the need to verify the idea he was praising before going to the press.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-229968.0.html%22

nigerians need to learn to start thinking critically. there is no excuse anymore with the interent to swallow ridiculous articles

some of the comments on this thread remind me of the bizarre arguments in support of emegwali

idupaul:

I must commend homerac and beaf for showing that there are stil nigerians that cant be bamboozled. And even dora the great scientist<lol> stood there and listened to utter rubbish. That school should be monitored by the education ministry to make sure they are nt charlatanizing educational curriculum

arrant nonsense!

homerac7:

@ Omo_tier,
Next time u want to challenge me on engineering judgement, go get better knowledge or shut up.

Maybe you have not be told his before, you only challenge wat is bigger than you and since I know you aint, I wouldn't waste my time on you. Haven read both post, I conclude your just a rage tag who thinks He knows alot yet sounds like an empty vessel. I think my first post sums you up very well and please when next you care to make comments on sujbect matter were you have ery littleexpertist try to limit your comment to your knowledge pool and avoid sounding like your anyway better, which is always the problem of so called Nigerian home gaduates.

netotse:

of recent, there have been quite a number of people advertising 'fuel-less' generators which they say are not inverters and dont need any form of input, in addition to not having any moving part, one even came to constitute a nuisance in the electrical engineers thread. That's the proper context of the story. . .the reporter is a quack who didn't feel the need to verify the idea he was praising before going to the press.

I am not aware that this reporter is a quak, only reading that from your post - sigh you may be right. I may be wrong but your post seems to imply that the idea these kids where displaying isnt novel and that it is common, yet you have completely failed to explain to us what is so common in what these kids hae displayed rather you went about ramblng on how someone esle did A or B. Typical Nigerian, always criticizing but never providing the right solution! You mind explaining to us in technical terms why you think what the kids have displayed is not so novel after all and please be specific so that a layman can read your post and make up his mind without any prejudice

@ omo tier. . Pls never quote any of my post again . U r a senseless organism who dwels in mediocrity logic and abhors true intelligence.

@Omo_Tier1, The level of insults u've thrown in each of your posts just goes to show your level of intelligence - absolutely pathetic. Your arguments are without a shred of common sense yet u go about abusing every one with a view contrary to that generated by your elementary brain. So much for 'overseas grown graduate'. Ewu.

@ Omo_Tier,

My last words to u: U R A LOOSER

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-554503.0.html

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we are indeed backward -

our journalists should be lined up and shot

what is called a science fair project in more literate climes is what is being called an invention

Any chance someone can answer the question I had on books? How much do textbooks in Nigeria (say at high school level) cost? Are they usually expensive, or cheaply purchased from the market. . .?

Would it bring down costs if textbooks were standardized and made freely available say online in PDF format? E.g., a calculus book, or intro statistics book?

Oyb,

abeg no mind dt charlatan dt calls himself Omo_Tier and d useless journalist wey say dem 'invent' 'generator'. when i reply him senseless talk finish, d guy no fit fault me na to come dey attack everyone wey witness him folly hin come resort to.

Shiooo

@ DapoBear

I am not sure of d prices but i think they r cheap on d relative side as their productions r mostly of inferior materials. unfortunately, many students cant still afford dem.

homerac7:

@ DapoBear

I am not sure of d prices but i think they r cheap on d relative side as their productions r mostly of inferior materials. unfortunately, many students cant still afford dem.

Hrm, I see. So the books are cheap, but somehow people still cannot afford them. Kind of sucks

This is pure reckless journalistic embelishment, it is high time reporters with technical savvy are allowed to write reports of this nature. Some pupils fabricated a dynamo and some very mischievious journalist decides to write crap about it and exaggerate the whole thing. When I heard a fueless generator I was hoping to learn a method of generating the mechanical force to drive the iron core or armature that will cut the magnetic flux which will now produce electricity without having to resort to any form of input conversion like chemical energy(fuel) to mechanical energy (the movement of the crank shaft, amarture). Anyway, those kids are sure going places.

CHIA I REMEMBER THOSE DAYS

MODERN/COLLEGE BIOLOGY
OKEKE PHYSICS
LAMBERT/ABABIO CHEMISTRY

ARE THEY STILL USING THESE TEXT BOOKS TODAY?

[size=20pt]INVENT lol, go to youtube and type fuelless generator and see the group that invented it[/size]

oyb:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-554503.0.html

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we are indeed backward -

our journalists should be lined up and shot

what is called a science fair project in more literate climes is what is being called an invention

Unfortunately, Naija logic has its hat on backwards. No point debating this serially overflogged issue.
Come to think of it, there's no feedback element in this particular 'fuel-less' model. So how do you recapture spent energy and feed back into the input.

DapoBear:

Hrm, I see. So the books are cheap, but somehow people still cannot afford them. Kind of sucks

Also need to consider quality of books being used and what exactly the students really have access to.

Please what is the minimum(or should i say maximum) IQ a journalist is supposed to have?These guys just dey fall person hand with sensational headlines.
It is either they don't know any better or they assume Nigerians are very(and i mean very very)illiterate.
This isn't limited to this story, it fills a lot of dailies with crap!