pazienza:


He isn't Igbo. At least he is honest enough not to claim Igbo. Unlike you.
Maybe you should learn just that one trait from him.

Why would he claim Igbo before? Who doesn't love his own ethnic group? The guy is the best person I have ever seen in any Igbo thread, such an unbiased fellow and goes straight to the point without getting emotional or sectional. I'm sure some of you might have tagged him "Afonja" by now.

ghostfacekillar:
What is wrong with our people... I think people who keep bringing ph into our discussion knws what they are doing.

My brother, having a black sheep in the family does not stop the sheep from being a part of the larger family.

pazienza:
OK.
Focus on education.
SE seem to be ahead on education.

Chai, see Ebonyi even with its small population. Oyo is a mega disgrace to the south kai.

superlightning:


Like I said, they are sick. The ones well among them should be embraced. Others..... Kick them out of your agenda. Igwuocha bu alaigbo....50 years of post war propaganda cannot change the boundary of alaigbo. Let them go to Edo state if they are Edo. There is always a black sheep in every family. Ikwerre is a black sheep.

You must be young and uninformed.
Owerri people or Aros who have an even stronger claim to PH cannot make that asinine statement, or the Ndokis or Ngwas for that matter.
You will grow up last last.

pazienza:
Where is Chino Come on. Come and see how SE is leading.

superlightning:


My brother, having a black sheep in the family does not stop the sheep from being a part of the larger family.

mr. Ikwerre is not igbo and they will neva be. They are bini people whom our mothers taught igbo language.. Please stop all this nonsense. Am sick and tired of this... There are lots of land in ebonyi.. Enugu anambra.. Imo etc... We should focus on this land and stop bringing up this ph matter... Ph belongs to okrika and Ikwerre bini descendants... They are not in any way related to igbo.. We igbo trader made them forget their language. Please stop this nonsense

Finally, Oga Spider, this thread is due for some sumptuous photo splash.
Too much grammar and no photo gets too boring.

PabloAfricanus:


Igbos unfortunately are not more competitive than the Hausa Fulanis, despite what you might believe.
Or the Yorubas, as these 2 groups understand the bigger dynamics and realities of state craft way better than Igbos.
They simply don't waste time with crumbs, but go for the table itself.
Power is the game and controlling the benefits of power is the field of play. Sadly Igbos don't have a clue.

Your problem is organized leadership.
Other ethnic groups see you as amorphous and lawless since there is no visible leadership structure.
They simply do not have a handle to relate with Igbos effectively, hence your individualism sticks out like a sore thumb and the sins of one is generalized over the many.
Now compare that to dealing with Hausas who dominate the cattle and, forex trade. There is always a visible hierarchy indigenes of any land they're operating in can rely on to curb their excesses.
Of course Igbos have unions and all that, but have you considered the fact that Igbos still have not been able to present political leadership interfaces that other ethnic groups can identify or relate with?

Think about it.

Wait ooo, so Hausas are more competitive than the Igbos because they dominate Cattle business? Chai, this part of your post needs to be deleted ASAP.

pazienza:


Ikwerre is not a sub group of any Igbo.
Ikwerre is an independent ethnic nationality. Who trace their history from Bini.

They are simply a group of confused Bini people, who jettisoned their Bini language for Igbolanguage, which they distorted to create the stuff they call Ikwerre language today.

This is the official story of Ikwerre as recognized by Ogbako Ikwerre, and prominent Ikwerre people like Late Elechi Amadi.

Don't get it twisted.

lovely. This is just what I want to here not that nonsense Bedu2 was talking about forcing those liabilities into Igbo land

pazienza:



Lol!

You are beginning to sound like Bede2u. What's the obsession with that 3rd world city called Ph all about?
It couldn't even make it into resilient city category, which Enugu did.
PH is an empty third world city, it's not like it's NY or London or anything. The City planning is piss poor. Everything happening through congested Aba road. With the sprawling Rumus with old bungalows and "public yards".
Worst still, the city is shared between Ikwerre and Ijaws and a future theatre of war, once coastal Ijaw groups gets their oil Rivers state and insist on going with their own part of Ph, leaving Ikwerre and the rest of upland Rivers with a landlocked state with no access to offshore derivation Money. Hmm.

You IPOB people better snap out of it already. There is nothing spectacular about Ph. We already have better planed cities in SE, and we can build world standard cities from the scratch, once we focus home (SE).

See eh, igwuocha is igboland. Stick to your approach in dealing with them, let me stick to mine. I know exactly where am hinging on. If ikwerre today as a group said they are not Igbo, then so be it.
However, it won't stop me from accepting those among them who sincerely identify with us as Igbo. I won't reject them. I know some of them.

pazienza:



Lol!

You are beginning to sound like Bede2u. What's the obsession with that 3rd world city called Ph all about?
It couldn't even make it into resilient city category, which Enugu did.
PH is an empty third world city, it's not like it's NY or London or anything. The City planning is piss poor. Everything happening through congested Aba road. With the sprawling Rumus with old bungalows and "public yards".
Worst still, the city is shared between Ikwerre and Ijaws and a future theatre of war, once coastal Ijaw groups gets their oil Rivers state and insist on going with their own part of Ph, leaving Ikwerre and the rest of upland Rivers with a landlocked state with no access to offshore derivation Money. Hmm.

You IPOB people better snap out of it already. There is nothing spectacular about Ph. We already have better planed cities in SE, and we can build world standard cities from the scratch, once we focus home (SE).

If the Ijaws get that so-called oil rivers state, the ikwerre people will regret all these things they have done to the Igbos in the east and by then, it may be too late.

ghostfacekillar:
mr. Ikwerre is not igbo and they will neva be. They are bini people whom our mothers taught igbo language.. Please stop all this nonsense. Am sick and tired of this... There are lots of land in ebonyi.. Enugu anambra.. Imo etc... We should focus on this land and stop bringing up this ph matter... Ph belongs to okrika and Ikwerre bini descendants... They are not in any way related to igbo.. We igbo trader made them forget their language. Please stop this nonsense

I know how you feel my brother, but there some of us who won't remove or shift our ancient landmark as Igbo.

Forget this matter let's move into another issue.

nnamdijonathan:


Wait ooo, so Hausas are more competitive than the Igbos because they dominate Cattle business? Chai, this part of your post needs to be deleted ASAP.

Comprehension and analogy are words in the English dictionary.
Maybe you should look up their meanings.

superlightning:


I know how you feel my brother, but there some of us who won't remove or shift our ancient landmark as Igbo.

Forget this matter let's move into another issue.

kk sir but till then.. I also urge our igbo brodas to stop investing there

PabloAfricanus:


Don't be pained kid, those numbers don't count in the bigger scheme of things.

Check it out, OBJ came back after 1979 to rule.
PMB came back after 1985 to rule.
What were your blodas doing?
Passing exams or what?

Well, you're contradicted by the fact that you and your blodas are rejoicing over the mere handing of a party ticket to Atiku, a man from those "less educated" peoples and not just that, but are praying and hoping he doesn't dump you guys and pick a VP from say the SS or SW. Your blodas are even threatening to boycott if he picks a on SE VP?
But seriously, why should he? What does he stand to gain in concrete terms? If you were Atiku would you?

If your blodas comments here are any indicator of your feelings, you'd probably not be able to do anything about it, other than to resign yourself to your fate.
If Atiku fails to win the 2019 elections, you'd still be dancing to whichever tune catches the fancy of "less educated" men from those "low education index" states.

Now how about that?

How has their ruling improved their standard of living? They don't have money to go to school and yet they have been ruling this country so who exactly is suffering it? Even the Emir of Kano knows his people are poor.

superlightning:


Like I said, they are sick. The ones well among them should be embraced. Others..... Kick them out of your agenda. Igwuocha bu alaigbo....50 years of post war propaganda cannot change the boundary of alaigbo. Let them go to Edo state if they are Edo. There is always a black sheep in every family. Ikwerre is a black sheep.

this your statement is like that of a dictator. Imagine Nigerian government asking Ndigbo to relocate to Israel since we want our own country and Nigeria can't be divided. Ikwerre people own their land in Rivers state and the indigenous people can decide to claim any ancestry they choose, it's not your business.

Yyeske:
Woww, Anambra always leading

didn't you see Abia there?

Handsomegod:
You know I was very frontal in tackling and exposing your fake Igbo credentials when you first came up with that foolish decoy of a moniker. All along,I watched as you subtly rejoice gleefully at all anti -Igbo issues and at the same time trying to sound "belonged". Okay,oya review and tell me the truths contained in what that rabble rouser mentioned above. We all are watching as you gleefully keep clapping and chipping at his inanities. You fooled some but you didn't fool me. I detect your types from afar! Be proud and declare your rabid stock.Truth gbukwe gi there! Ezi Bida!

So you expect me to support nonsense because it involves Ndigbo? I hate being biased that is why I sound pro-Igbo sometimes and anti-Igbo other times. How can a person continue to live in denial? If u can, its fine but, I can't and I will always support the truth whether it is for or against Ndigbo

nnamdijonathan:


this your statement is like that of a dictator. Imagine Nigerian government asking Ndigbo to relocate to Israel since we want our own country and Nigeria can't be divided. Ikwerre people own their land in Rivers state and the indigenous people can decide to claim any ancestry they choose, it's not your business.

Sometimes I am tempted to follow the pazienza school of thought, but then, I know better. Historical accounts backed up with facts shows that igwuocha is alaigbo regardless of the mental siege many ikwerre are having today. I CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THE HISTORICAL FACTS AND REFUSE TO ALLOW EMOTIONS OVERRIDE ME.

FORGET THIS ISSUE. LETS MOVE FORWARD.

superlightning:


Sometimes I am tempted to follow the pazienza school of thought, but then, I know better. Historical accounts backed up with facts shows that igwuocha is alaigbo regardless of the mental siege many ikwerre are having today. I CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THE HISTORICAL FACTS AND REFUSE TO ALLOW EMOTIONS OVERRIDE ME.

FORGET THIS ISSUE. LETS MOVE FORWARD.

the high time u start following his school of thought the better for u..u better let go. I don’t know if ph is ur ancestral home. Go and see documents about ph. U will see that okrika has more claim to ph dan ikwerre cos. Okrika land seceded to colonialist is bigger than what ikwerre contributed and that is anoda problem on itz own. U better face ur front makana if u start this nonsense again. U won't like the venoms I will start throwing at u..

nnamdijonathan:


didn't you see Abia there?

Ignore him, he doesn't understand.

ghostfacekillar:
the high time u start following his school of thought the better for u..u better let go. I don’t know if ph is ur ancestral home. Go and see documents about ph. U will see that okrika has more claim to ph dan ikwerre cos. Okrika land seceded to colonialist is bigger than what ikwerre contributed and that is anoda problem on itz own. U better face ur front makana if u start this nonsense again. U won't like the venoms I will start throwing at u..

I have the antidote to your venom my brother.

Like I said, END THIS MATTER. Our views mustn't always be the same.

superlightning:


I have the antidote to your venom my brother.

Like I said, END THIS MATTER. Our views mustn't always be the same.

Nah u know

Ghostfacekillar. You mean the below documents?
I was shocked when I saw them. Though they are blurred, and I couldn't make out much from it, but I'm yet to see Ikwerres provide rebuttal to it.

More.
It was all over Ijaw facebook pages.
Too bad I'm nolonger a member of any Ikwerre facebook page to see if they reacted to it.
The few of them I have as my friends, kept mute about it.

pazienza:
Ghostfacekillar. You mean the below documents?
I was shocked when I saw them. Though they are blurred, and I couldn't make out much from it, but I'm yet to see Ikwerres provide rebuttal to it.

bros I will provide you with more..if u are interested in it. All the farmland and everything. That is y it is of great importance that we remove our hands from ph. Cos nah ticking bomb

pazienza:
Ghostfacekillar. You mean the below documents?
I was shocked when I saw them. Though they are blurred, and I couldn't make out much from it, but I'm yet to see Ikwerres provide rebuttal to it.

I know these documents. They were land deeds purchased from okrika people in the 1920s now ceded to the colonialists to EXPAND old igwuocha. Port Harcourt (igwuocha) was expanded by purchasing more land. So? How does it change igwuocha status as an igboland?

No historian will deny that igwuocha is alaigbo. Only in nairaland.

How far do you want to go in pushing this matter? This is childish.

[quote author=nnamdijonathan post=71939213]

So you expect me to support nonsense because it involves Ndigbo? I hate being biased that is why I sound pro-Igbo sometimes and anti-Igbo other times. How can a person continue to live in denial? If u can, its fine but, I can't and I will always support the truth whether it is for or against Ndigbo[iquote]One again,I challenge you(not that you amount to a triffle I can call challenge anyways) to mention those truths in his waffle. You conveniently avoided that. If you can those twisted and deluded, vitriol he vomits truths then you are further much wasted than I thought. I merely followed the path of caution not to bust his follies strictly to avoid derailing all the efforts committed in these thread. If he wish to do a comparative studies of prehistoric Nigerian societies,let him open another thread and we meet him there and litter ourselves however it demands. As for you,quit living in your cocoon. You've been busted.

nnamdijonathan:


So you expect me to support nonsense because it involves Ndigbo? I hate being biased that is why I sound pro-Igbo sometimes and anti-Igbo other times. How can a person continue to live in denial? If u can, its fine but, I can't and I will always support the truth whether it is for or against Ndigbo

One again,I challenge you(not that you amount to a triffle I can call challenge anyways) to mention those truths in his waffle. You conveniently avoided that. If you can those twisted and deluded, vitriol he vomits truths then you are further much wasted than I thought. I merely followed the path of caution not to bust his follies strictly to avoid derailing all the efforts committed in these thread. If he wish to do a comparative studies of prehistoric Nigerian societies,let him open another thread and we meet him there and litter ourselves however it demands. As for you,quit living in your cocoon. You've been busted.

PabloAfricanus:


Like I told you before, you lack the historical background to reason through the question you asked.
You're appealing to morality and ethics, comparing yourself to Fulanis who should have been more demonized, hated and rejected due to their bad ways right?
You're naive and ignorant I'm sorry to say.
Diplomacy implies power and rulership, at least within the context of politics.
If you had studied northern history and made sense of it, you'd have known what the jihadists offered the pagan tribes they conquered. It was Islam or death.
Yeah that was terrible right? How bad of them

Fact was civilization was creeping up on the backward tribes across Africa, the Islamists were encroaching from North Africa while the Europeans were barging in from the Atlantic. Sooner or later, their way of life, access to markets, rights over their lands and freedom to practice their pagan beliefs was going to be challenged by whichever conquerors got to them first.
And when conquerors take over, they usually control the economic, social and political lives of the peoples they conquered.
The Fulanis set up emirates to rule the lands they conquered, you had to belong to even trade or live as a freeborn. If you belonged, meaning you believed ole Muhammad and his sky daddy were waiting with goodies somewhere up in sky, you had access to an organized empire stretching from Gobir in today's Niger republic to Adamawa in today's Cameron to Ilorin.
Trade in metals, minerals,salt, cotton and produce was restricted within their domains to tax paying citizens.
If you were an unbeliever and didn't believe in Muhammad's sky daddy, well, the Arab slave trade was the most profitable business of the day.

Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kanem Bornos whom they stole quite a chunk of territory from.
Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the other jihadist empires copying dan Fodios template.
Diplomacy was needed when the Fulanis had to deal with the Kebbawas and their resolve to retain the last standing Habe kingdom.
Diplomacy was needed when they took over the Nupe kingdom and installed a Fulani dynasty over the Native Nupe dynasty.
Diplomacy was needed when Alimi rendered his services to Afonja and gradually settled Ilorin with ex slaves, immigrants and soldiers loyal to him.

I could go on, but I'm guessing you wouldn't understand.
You should pay me for the history lesson.

You really love to ramble on out of context, don't you. I won't even bother addressing the comical, preening narcissism and the delusion that high school level history is some profound knowledge. You're talking about Nigerian geopolitics and Fulani "diplomacy" and what they "had to offer", which on being asked to put some meat on your vague claims, you started digressing into irrelevancies.

Northerners learnt to accede to Fulani rule by force of conquest. And everywhere this status quo is tested in the North, it's met by brutal cycles of violence. Every human being is diplomatic, recognizing the need for a rules-based society that avoids violent conflict as much as possible. There is not a group in Nigeria without this quality, but it is possessed to varying degrees. To claim that we have any lesson to learn from Fulanis (a demonstrably blood-thirsty, power-obsessed group) in diplomacy is laughable nonsense and would show you know nothing about the structures of Igbos society. Northerners acceding to this Fulani dominance says more about the group characteristics of the ethnicities there (especially the Hausa) and the dynamics of their relationship with Fulanis. The Northern leadership's refusal to move away from its pre-colonial feudal legacy is nothing worth emulating and I don't quite see its relevance here on how to advance our goals.
I still can't fathom the contradiction in you coming here getting all worked up over someone's comment about forcefully subsuming an Igboid group and their territory into the larger Igbo nation AND YET telling us to take our cues from Fulanis, whose entire history and legacy in Nigeria is one of land-grabbing and conquest. Do you have a logically coherent ideology to tell us or you're just here to troll?

ghostfacekillar:
bros I will provide you with more..if u are interested in it. All the farmland and everything. That is y it is of great importance that we remove our hands from ph. Cos nah ticking bomb

Interesting. Provide more of them here, bro.
Anything to wean off our IPOB brothers from this Ph addiction is always welcomed.

We need to turn their necks back home, to Owerri, Enugu, Abakaliki, Awka, Umuahia, Aba, Onitsha, Asaba.