The poster whose post is reproduced below asked a question which of course should get unbiased minds to think. His comment is in response to a poster who claimed the PH airport project as a GEJ project but will of course run away when you bring up the fact that his govt started the journey to recession

https://www.nairaland.com/4809252/hold-it-dont-respect-elders#72404205

kingkakaone:

I hope u will still blame successive governments for the recession as u are remembering and thanking them also?
You all, including Reno always come online to shout GEJ started the project, u hail him which I don't have any problem with but you won't take responsibility for the recession also as if recession comes over night.

Do u think a country like Nigeria will fall into recession in just under one year of Buhari's (though not his supporter) regime if not for continuous and reckless mismanagement of the economy before then?

I'm not supporting Buhari but I want you all to accept that the recession didn't come overnight (past governments have a hand in it). As you all talk about completion of projects that started from Jonathan so also don't exonorate him from the recession.
I hate when people claim the blessings without accepting their faults in challenging times.

That being said, I'm not on any sid, I won't vote for Atiku or Buhari because both of them are the same.

Why can't we be unbiased when analysing issues like this honest nairalander I quoted?

Bias is your middle name

vanbonattel:
Bias is your middle name

Can you explain?

shukuokukobambi:


Can you explain?

A leopard can never change its spots. African proverbs.

vanbonattel:


A leopard can never change its spots. African proverbs.

I know the proverb but it still doesn't relate in anyway to the OP

shukuokukobambi:


I know the proverb but it still doesn't relate in anyway to the OP

"Practice what you preach"- African proverbs.

vanbonattel:


"Practice what you preach"- African proverbs.

That's why I'm asking you now. Why can't we analyse issues without bias?

E.g. why can't vanbonattel admit that GEJ government started the slide into recession even with the numerous documented warnings by Aunty Ngozi in 2013 and 2014?

shukuokukobambi:


That's why I'm asking you now. Why can't we analyse issues without bias?

E.g. why can't vanbonattel admit that GEJ government started the slide into recession even with the numerous documented warnings by Aunty Ngozi in 2013 and 2014?

Even a 2 year old baby can predict your direction

So much for Mr Preacher

vanbonattel:

Even a 2 year old baby can predict your direction

So much for Mr Preacher

Your assumption about my direction can't distort what the truth is about anything. The poster above spoke the truth about this particular situation. Why can't you and I?

shukuokukobambi:


Your assumption about my direction can't distort what the truth is about anything. The poster above spoke the truth about this particular situation. Why can't you and I?

Why not go straight and show your putrid bias? Why did you have to be sanctimonious about your obvious parochialism?

vanbonattel:


Why not go straight and show your putrid bias? Why did you have to be sanctimonious about your obvious parochialism?

No need hyperventilating. I'm not beating you.

The OP is simple and straight forward. Why will you claim PH airport project for GEJ but reject recession for him despite all Aunty Ngozi's warnings and prophecies of 2013 and 2014?

Nigeria was already in heading for recession, sometimes I see everywhere (both online and offline) how people heap curses on Buhari for the untold hardship they are going through, it makes me wonder if there is some kind of hidden selective amnesia competition going on somewhere or else these people should have been aware of the following points -

The then Minister of Finance and the economic coordinator of the country Ngozi O. Iweala once said almost all the senior staffs of the ministry were undergoing BP test because all they were thinking about was were they can {borrow} money to pay for salaries and other expenditures - pls I need someone to present facts that this never happened or am lying.


Professors Charles Soludo (this guy is a genius he saved our banking sector) had already warned even before the 2015 election that who ever won the election will never have it easy because Billions of Dollars are unaccounted for - again I would like facts that he never said this.


The plunge in oil price. Nigeria's main source of income (I need facts that this is not so) was now giving us next to nothing, coupled with the fact that oil production was hindered by the activities of the Niger Delta militants, not was oil selling for peanuts, but production was nothing to write home about.


Election Dollars, it saddens me that people choose to act like this never happened, the money spent on election campaigns was enough to cripple some countries. Churches, Traditional ruler, Delegates, Ministers none of them were without the election dollars. And for the record GEJ asked for a refund when it was obvious he has lost the election.

Finally - Empty Reserves, there was nothing to fall back on with the oil gloom in effect, the resultant effect - free fall of the Naira, I can remember the naira was heading for 500/$ before PYO held an emergency meeting with the CBN Governor.


Yes Buhari may have made some poor economic decisions but it will be pure hypocrisy to say Buhari brought about recession.
You all should remember PDP did not leave Nigeria better than they found it.
I took the world's best Economy (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) some time to come out from recession we should not expect Nigeria's to be different.


Am not an analyst or statistician, am just a Nigerian that witnessed it all.

shukuokukobambi:


No need hyperventilating. I'm not beating you.

The OP is simple and straight forward. Why will you claim PH airport project for GEJ but reject recession for him despite all Aunty Ngozi's warnings and prophecies of 2013 and 2014?

My point is that you should have opened a thread with your now stale topic of Jonathan hate and Buharri love instead of praising a poster for his own position which is antithetical to your main intentions?

pryme:
Nigeria was already in heading for recession, sometimes I see everywhere (both online and offline) how people heap curses on Buhari for the untold hardship they are going through, it makes me wonder if there is some kind of hidden selective amnesia competition going on somewhere or else these people should have been aware of the following points -

The then Minister of Finance and the economic coordinator of the country Ngozi O. Iweala once said almost all the senior staffs of the ministry were undergoing BP test because all they were thinking about was were they can {borrow} money to pay for salaries and other expenditures - pls I need someone to present facts that this never happened or am lying.


Professors Charles Soludo (this guy is a genius he saved our banking sector) had already warned even before the 2015 election that who ever won the election will never have it easy because Billions of Dollars are unaccounted for - again I would like facts that he never said this.


The plunge in oil price. Nigeria's main source of income (I need facts that this is not so) was now giving us next to nothing, coupled with the fact that oil production was hindered by the activities of the Niger Delta militants, not was oil selling for peanuts, but production was nothing to write home about.


Election Dollars, it saddens me that people choose to act like this never happened, the money spent on election campaigns was enough to cripple some countries, Churches, Traditional ruler, Delegates, Ministers none of them were without the election dollars. And for the record GEJ asked for a refund when it was obvious he has lost the election.

Finally - Empty Reserves, there was nothing to fall back on with the oil gloom in effect, the resultant effect - free fall of the Naira, I can remember the naira was heading for 500/$ before PYO held an emergency meeting with the CBN Governor.


Yes Buhari may have made some poor economic decisions but it will be pure hypocrisy to say Buhari brought about recession.
You all should remember PDP did not leave Nigeria better than they found it.
I took the world's best Economy (UNITED STATES OF AMERICA) some time to come out from recession we should not expect Nigeria's to be different.


Am not an analyst or statistician, am just a Nigerian that witnessed it all.

Was Goodluck Jonathan to blame for the Immigration screening test tragedy back then? Yes.

Is Buharri to be blamed for recession and all the other disastrous happenings since he took over? Yes.

Ppl should learn how to take responsibility, that's the main duty of a leader.

shukuokukobambi:




Why can't we be unbiased when analysing issues like this honest nairalander I quoted?

As a military Head of state, he drove Nigeria into her first recession. As a civilian president, he drove Nigeria into her second reccession.

What do you want us to analyse again?


Always blaming people for his misrules.

vanbonattel:


Was Goodluck Jonathan to blame for the Immigration screening test tragedy back then? Yes.

Is Buharri to be blamed for recession and all the other disastrous happenings since he took over? Yes.

Ppl should learn how to take responsibility, that's the main duty of a leader.

I think you missed the point completely in my write up, or else you would have seen that recession was already here before PMB, so I should blame PMB for what he is not responsible for?

Immigration exercise and recession? You are comparing them side by side? Like seriously?

shukuokukobambi:


No need hyperventilating. I'm not beating you.

The OP is simple and straight forward. Why will you claim PH airport project for GEJ but reject recession for him despite all Aunty Ngozi's warnings and prophecies of 2013 and 2014?

Why will you claim that PDP destroyed Nigeria for 16yrs but want to take glory for the projects they started?

jumpandpas:


Why will you claim that PDP destroyed Nigeria for 16yrs but want to take glory for the projects they started?

Exactly. Anybody saying PDP didn't do anything in 16 years is lying. Just like anybody saying Buhari hasn't done anything in 3 years is also lying.

Do you agree?

pryme:


I think you missed the point completely in my write up, or else you would have seen that recession was already here before PMB, so I should blame PMB for what he is not responsible for?

Immigration exercise and recession? You are comparing them side by side? Like seriously?

Like seriously? Recession was here and GEJ sold fuel for #87 for 6 years? Recession was here and dollar was 180 naira? What brand of weed did you smoke, I need it too

Immigration tragedy and recession happened under the two men respectively.

vanbonattel:


Was Goodluck Jonathan to blame for the Immigration screening test tragedy back then? Yes.

Is Buharri to be blamed for recession and all the other disastrous happenings since he took over? Yes.

Ppl should learn how to take responsibility, that's the main duty of a leader.

only a foolish person will argue with a foolish man like you

Yeebos are hypocrites, do you see when they see nothing wrong with peter obi saying the south east should vote for PDP cause their son will become the vice president of Nigeria, but see Fashola as a tribalist when he told his people the presidency will rotate to the south west in 2023.

Only dumb yeebos believe the presidency won't rotate back to the south in 2023, the mumu are already talking about how only a northerner will always rule Nigeria cause of their hatred for the great Yoruba tribe.

If yeebos are not ready to rule, Ijaws,Yoruba's,Efiks,itsekiri etc wants to rule. They(yeebos) can become a vice president to a northern candidate in 2031.

jumpandpas:



As a military Head of state, he drove Nigeria into her first recession. As a civilian president, he drove Nigeria into her second reccession.

What do you want us to analyse again?


Always blaming people for his misrules.

If you have any idea of what you're talking about, can you tell us the year we had the terrible oil prices crash in the 1980s? Also do you know anything about Umaru Dikko and the import license business? Also, what do you know about the Ghana must go saga and what led to it and when it happened?

Omololu2121:
only a foolish person will argue with a foolish man like you

Yeebos are hypocrites, do you see when they see nothing wrong with peter obi saying the south east should vote for PDP cause their son will become the vice president of Nigeria, but see Fashola as a tribalist when he told his people the presidency will rotate to the south west in 2023.

Only dumb yeebos believe the presidency won't rotate back to the south in 2023, the mumu are already talking about how only a northerner will always rule Nigeria cause of their hatred for the great Yoruba tribe.

If yeebos are not ready to rule, Ijaws,Yoruba's,Efiks,itsekiri etc wants to rule. They(yeebos) can become a vice president to a northern candidate in 2031.

If not for the abysmal depths you have sunk into, you would have seen you were talking out of point and making a big fool of yourself. But it's only those who took you to hospital and are paying your medical bills that will feel your shame. Pele.

vanbonattel:


My point is that you should have opened a thread with your now stale topic of Jonathan hate and Buharri love instead of praising a poster for his own position which is antithetical to your main intentions?

Meeting hate with hate is my prerogative and I'll deploy whenever you wish to deal. For now, this is the thread and topic I wish to engage in.

Now, why will you give GEJ credit for projects carried over from his tenure but not the shrinking economy he left behind?

vanbonattel:


Like seriously? Recession was here and GEJ sold fuel for #87 for 6 years? Recession was here and dollar was 180 naira? What brand of weed did you smoke, I need it too

Immigration tragedy and recession happened under the two men respectively.

Naira was 180 when GEJ left office? Are you sure about this? Are you pretending that everything I wrote up there never happened before PMB came into power?

The Immigration exercise is not the responsibility of the presidency, the Ministry of Interior is responsible for that.
When you are talking recession that's in a different league. Stop using recession and Immigration employment in the same sentence pls.
Try to present a sensible argument.

shukuokukobambi:


Meeting hate with hate is my prerogative and I'll deploy whenever you wish to deal. For now, this is the thread and topic I wish to engage in.

Now, why will you give GEJ credit for projects carried over from his tenure but not the shrinking economy he left behind?

The #87 -#145 fuel price disparity should clear the cobwebs in your head.

pryme:


Naira was 180 when GEJ left office? Are you sure about this? Are you pretending that everything I wrote up there never happened before PMB came into power?

The Immigration exercise is not the responsibility of the presidency, the Ministry of Interior is responsible for that.
When you are talking recession that's in a different league. Stop using recession and Immigration employment in the same sentence pls.
Try to present a sensible argument.

A good C in C takes all responsibility, even for the cockroaches invading the local government health centres.

Perhaps we need to take bubu back to school and educate him properly on the duties of a president.

vanbonattel:


A good C in C takes all responsibility, even for the cockroaches invading the local government health centres.

Perhaps we need to take bubu back to school and educate him properly on the duties of a president.

And What's the use of Ministries and Ministers, am sure Buhari is responsible for the many months salaries owed by state Governors, and am sure Buhari is also responsible for the police check points and road blocks. Buhari is even responsible for the death of Weed smokers and cigarette smokers that die from heart diseases and lung cancer...


Shiit, Buhari is even responsible for this crack on the side of my phone.

Have a nice day Sir.

vanbonattel:


The #87 -#145 fuel price disparity should clear the cobwebs in your head.

I know you have chicken poop in the place where grey matter is meant to occupy if not, common sense available to all adults showed we were on a downward trajectory since oil started dropping from a high of $115 in 2014 to $28 in feb 2016 which is why Gej devalued the currency from N165 to N199 and left only $28B when he was going. All sensible adults knew we were already in trouble when Ngozi confessed that we were already borrowing to.pay salaries as at 2014 ending. Even oil soaked Saudi Arabia cut off subsidies from a host of welfare goods including petrol and electricity.

Why will you credit GEJ with projects but absolve him.of recession inspite of Aunty Ngozi's warnings of 2013 and 2014?

vanbonattel:


Was Goodluck Jonathan to blame for the Immigration screening test tragedy back then? Yes.

Is Buharri to be blamed for recession and all the other disastrous happenings since he took over? Yes.

Ppl should learn how to take responsibility, that's the main duty of a leader.

But PDP should take the praise for a project commissioned ba ? You have no problem with that.

Bigoted clowns everywhere !

OK

shukuokukobambi:


I know you have chicken poop in the place where grey matter is meant to occupy if not, common sense available to all adults showed we were on a downward trajectory since oil started dropping from a high of $115 in 2014 to $28 in feb 2016 which is why Gej devalued the currency from N165 to N199 and left only $28B when he was going. All sensible adults knew we were already in trouble when Ngozi confessed that we were already borrowing to.pay salaries as at 2014 ending. Even oil soaked Saudi Arabia cut off subsidies from a host of welfare goods including petrol and electricity.

Why will you credit GEJ with projects but absolve him.of recession inspite of Aunty Ngozi's warnings of 2013 and 2014?

Did recession happen in 2013 and 2014? Yes or no?
You said it was only a warning by Madam Ngozi, and you know GEJ, with his PHD brain would have done something better than a NEPA certificate brain who took six months to plunge the country into recession.

vanbonattel:


Did recession happen in 2013 and 2014? Yes or no?
You said it was only a warning by Madam Ngozi, and you know GEJ, with his PHD brain would have done something better than a NEPA certificate brain who took six months to plunge the country into recession.

Are you hearing yourself? Is it possible that a country as great as nigeria would be plunged into recession in 6 months? If not that we always want to be biased in nigeria, such statements would have been on the lips of people.
Ask yourself how much a dollar was when jonathan handed over and compare it with how much it was 1 year before then and you would see that the process of recession started long before the lifeless buhari came to power.
The president was just unlucky to have had recession roll over on him, i can say that if jonathan had won he wouldnt have been able to avoid recession it was already unavoidable.