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NaijirianKing:
Your analysis is sound, but it needs to be grounded in the political realities of the Nigerian system. Logically it would make more sense to push for an Anioma state, however this would not be politically smart on behalf of the Eastern Igbo.

If you remember it was Eastern Igbo that created Bayelsa from Old Rivers State in order to form a state where the SS Igbo would have a majority while simultaneously giving Ijaw their own state where tehy would have the numerical majority. The goal was to form an Igbo majority state to help bolster the Eastern Igbo states as the SS Igbo would naturally look to "re-pay" the favor done by their Eastern brothers, however as we see today, that is not the case. The Easterners have learned.

Doing the same in Delta state may get the same results as was the case with Old Rivers. Furthermore, including a group with members on both sides of the fence when it comes to being classified as Igbo into the Eastern Region where the vast majority accept and value their Igboness can be a recipe for disaster when it comes to political rotations.

Imagine someone from Anioma being selected to represent the SE and that person from Anioma has a proven track record of being vitriolic to the Eastern Igbos, not only would we lose a rotational turn, but the person may harm us more than others in order to show how un-Igbo they are. Think of Ameachi as aviation minister, imagine if he was representing the SE in that capacity. So logically it would make sense to add Anioma, but politically it would not be smart.

State creation is for political power as each state is guaranteed certain rights at the Federal level, as such we would need those loyal to Igbo causes in the Center, so politically it makes sense to create a state within the zone where loyalty is unquestioned.

As far as I see it, despite all the lingering resentments, the SS is the most natural ally of the SE. There is some cultural affinity. We largely vote along the same lines. And we've largely both supported devolution of power from the centre. Never mind Igbo/Igboid SS groups, on a lot of political matters, Igbos would largely agree with Ijaws or Efiks for example. Fears of treachery from these groups towards Igbos are overplayed. I don't support Anioma for the political benefits. There are little to none (though championing their cause might ingratiate us to them). I just support them because their agitation makes more sense than that of other SE groups. The worst idea is the Etiti one. This guy summarized in well:
http://thenationonlineng.net/etiti-state-creation-not-feasible/

“Anytime there is need to create more states, cultural affinity and relationship among groups of people have always been the yardstick used in determining who belongs to where.

“But when you look critically, you will find out that there is no affinity between Ohaozara and the people of Orumba, Mbano and Okigwe. Ninety per cent of Okposi people are of Ikwo extraction.”

It's a very, very, very very, very bad idea borne of desperation. There is simply no case given our geographical realities to carve out another state.

NaijirianKing:
The only issue here is that the Igbo are the proverbial glue of Nigeria. Some ethnic groups will only remain in Nigeria as long as there remains someone besides them that's being marginalized, meaning, that once the group that is receiving the majority of the marginalization leaves, there will be a vacuum and that vacuum will be filled by another group. Not every group is strong enough to endure what Igbos have endured in this nation, and they are aware of this. If Igbos left today, then other groups will also leave, the Niger Delta immediately comes to mind as they would use an Igbo exit as a way to corner their oil resources in an independent Nation or Nations.

Also, a demographic shift would happen overnight as 40-50 million Christian Igbos are no longer counted in the 200 million population figure where 42% of Nigerians are Christians, meaning that the country would be 68% Muslim and only 24% Christian, and this would only embolden those who want to radically spread Islam via jihad as they now have the clear majority.

In short, Nigeria without the Igbo would be a very different place and wouldn't be business as usual as the entire nation would collapse, it's not a love for the Igbo that made Nigerians not want to let them go, it was more a desire to avoid the aftermath of an Igbo exit.

You have said it all. Perfectly captured analysis. Once igbos realize that the are the glue holding this God forsaken land together, they can smartly leverage the threat of leaving to get whatever they want.

It’s very unfortunate that Nigeria is full of naive and coward Africans. Igbos were placed and surrounded with these types of people with no guts. We have to stop being used as shield for people who hate us. It has to stop and it must stop.

Sure?

NaijirianKing:
This could actually work if negotiated correctly.

thank u for seeing with me.

NaijirianKing:
While this may be true, some residing in Anioma make claim that they are not Igbo, since a renewed Biafra appears to be leaning towards being an Igbo ethno-state, it would be unwise to force those who have stated that they are not Igbo into such a nation.

The better alternative would be to first form the nation with those who explicitly want and desire such a state and leave those where such zeal is absent. Once such a nation is established, and functional, any group(s) residing in Nigeria that feels that they should be annexed into the ethno-state can begin negotiations with Biafra, thus such inclusion would not be forced upon any group or people.

I think if Biafra becomes an independent nation, it shouldn’t allow any group who refused to join it initially to later join it. That’s a major sign of lack of loyalty and future trouble source and headaches.

NaijirianKing:
The only issue here is that the Igbo are the proverbial glue of Nigeria. Some ethnic groups will only remain in Nigeria as long as there remains someone besides them that's being marginalized, meaning, that once the group that is receiving the majority of the marginalization leaves, there will be a vacuum and that vacuum will be filled by another group. Not every group is strong enough to endure what Igbos have endured in this nation, and they are aware of this. If Igbos left today, then other groups will also leave, the Niger Delta immediately comes to mind as they would use an Igbo exit as a way to corner their oil resources in an independent Nation or Nations.

Also, a demographic shift would happen overnight as 40-50 million Christian Igbos are no longer counted in the 200 million population figure where 42% of Nigerians are Christians, meaning that the country would be 68% Muslim and only 24% Christian, and this would only embolden those who want to radically spread Islam via jihad as they now have the clear majority.

In short, Nigeria without the Igbo would be a very different place and wouldn't be business as usual as the entire nation would collapse, it's not a love for the Igbo that made Nigerians not want to let them go, it was more a desire to avoid the aftermath of an Igbo exit.

u are correct. But i dont think yorubas wanna leave nigeria. About 40% of them are muslims and see the north as their brothers. Some yorubas in ilorin are also part fulani....plus dangote, dantata and a lot of northern oligarchs own lagos. Yorubas have everything they need in one nigeria. And u know most of their leaders are yoruba and pro- north

I agree that niger delta will want to leave once igbos leave. We should help FG ensure that doesnt happen. If we buy parts of khana and opobo from either FG or the indegenes themselves, we would be splitting the niger delta into two. Awka-cross on one side and rivers, bayelsa delta on another....making it hard for them to agree.

We might even under-take a defence pact with nigeria to help them fight ND millitants once they start agitating..

We would have our sea access and still help the FG keep peace in their oil region. How much do u think the area in question might cost compared to how easy it will make life for future igbos. The area in question isnt worth much today because of oil polution. Imagine if we buy it, clean it up and build a sea port in it. Our children will be proud of such a deft move. And ikwerre will hate as usual.

NaijirianKing:
While this may be true, some residing in Anioma make claim that they are not Igbo, since a renewed Biafra appears to be leaning towards being an Igbo ethno-state, it would be unwise to force those who have stated that they are not Igbo into such a nation.

The better alternative would be to first form the nation with those who explicitly want and desire such a state and leave those where such zeal is absent. Once such a nation is established, and functional, any group(s) residing in Nigeria that feels that they should be annexed into the ethno-state can begin negotiations with Biafra, thus such inclusion would not be forced upon any group or people.

another true talk. U.s started with 7 states...today it has 50 states and many territories. Even u.k started with only england and wales.

Of course we would only accept future entries who are our close kins

Sure?

Sure?

I think you guys are underplaying the cultural diversity of the south south. As the Yorubas are looking for a stake in Atiku's government while the igbos are looking for presidency assurance come 2023. The south south people are relatively quiet.

You can also smell the division of purpose when you see the isokos and urhobos joining APC enmasse so that they can take power from anioma.

What am I trying to draw out from these? The south south we all think will push for exit after we might have gotten Biafra will be more incoherent than us. The political tussle that is silent will be so visible that they will just amount to another middle belt. Some of the ethnic groups who will want to Lord over the rest will have to kiss the palm of the caliphate to make it a reality. As you can see now, some of those groups are already rearing their ugly heads up.

This is to show you that many of your postulations might not be the case when we want to leave. I think the north and the southwest kept the south south to checkmate our excesses. They make them water down our influences by putting Igbo hating Igbos close to us in the south south.

So the best bet for us is to bring down one of those defences down. The anioma has always loved to control a state of their own. Why can't we fight for them to have it. With one condition of being added to the southeast. This alone will give them sense of belonging to push for a southeastern agenda because they know they will benefit from it. We will not have real issues with these groups because they also have high HDI as a group.

This will radically make the southeast only Biafra fly with little dissenting voice of opposition in the country.

Purehuman:
I think you guys are underplaying the cultural diversity of the south south. As the Yorubas are looking for a stake in Atiku's government while the igbos are looking for presidency assurance come 2023. The south south people are relatively quiet.

You can also smell the division of purpose when you see the isokos and urhobos joining APC enmasse so that they can take power from anioma.

What am I trying to draw out from these? The south south we all think will push for exit after we might have gotten Biafra will be more incoherent than us. The political tussle that is silent will be so visible that they will just amount to another middle belt. Some of the ethnic groups who will want to Lord over the rest will have to kiss the palm of the caliphate to make it a reality. As you can see now, some of those groups are already rearing their ugly heads up.

This is to show you that many of your postulations might not be the case when we want to leave. I think the north and the southwest kept the south south to checkmate our excesses. They make them water down our influences by putting Igbo hating Igbos close to us in the south south.

So the best bet for us is to bring down one of those defences down. The anioma has always loved to control a state of their own. Why can't we fight for them to have it. With one condition of being added to the southeast. This alone will give them sense of belonging to push for a southeastern agenda because they know they will benefit from it. We will not have real issues with these groups because they also have high HDI as a group.

This will radically make the southeast only Biafra fly with little dissenting voice of opposition in the country.

i agree with all u said. I just want to say that tho i want anioma state created and added to SE, they really wont solve the biggest problem of SE which is direct access to sea port.

The only viable way to solve that is to include parts non-igbo SS into SE.

The smallest parts of SS we can include into SE to gain our sea access are the LGAs of khana, oyigbo and opobo.

Either we find a way to do the above, or we remain landlocked. Even if we add anioma and ikwerre join...still wont gv us the deep blue sea

Xander85:
Proposed Okija Guest House, Anambra, by Obijackson group.

Courtesy KMA Architects:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P75wClA6VU

Nice one, looks like zion estates in transekulu enugu.

But little or nothing have been heard about the Loyola college obiano layed foundation for,

See below, the proposal

Nothing is given free, as we can't war war, then we got to jaw jaw might is right, time is right for us to get entangled with the right formation of alliances, we need to shake hands of camaraderie as far as we can including with our immediate neighbors and others in other regions of the federation.

Got to keep our eyes on the ball, say no to isolation, say hi to interconnectivity.

Time is right for realpolitik,
Tag along with our interest, Got to come out dem leg warmers and get down to earth.

oilPUSSY:
Ogoni land will forever remain contaminated. There is nothing government can do about it. They are just using ogoni cleanup to play politics.
People from that area also know that their environment is beyond repair.
Even Briggs once said that Ogoni clean up is totally impossible. They are just using that clean up to siphon public fund.

true talk. One of my paddy who is a petrol chemical engineer served there.. They were been taught by Bulgarian. One day there was a massive oil spillage.. They wanted to cover it up but my paddy and the rest who was serving there protested that this is not what they taught them about handling oil spillage if such an incident occurs. The Bulgarians didn't care. They called the village chiefs and bribed them with huge amount of money. Millions of of naira and they became silent... Nothing happened..and the oil affected alot of places and this chiefs bagged their children future in their pocket. Every year they keep shouting ogoni clean up

Bede2u:
u are correct. But i dont think yorubas wanna leave nigeria. About 40% of them are muslims and see the north as their brothers. Some yorubas in ilorin are also part fulani....plus dangote, dantata and a lot of northern oligarchs own lagos. Yorubas have everything they need in one nigeria. And u know most of their leaders are yoruba and pro- north

I agree that niger delta will want to leave once igbos leave. We should help FG ensure that doesnt happen. If we buy parts of khana and opobo from either FG or the indegenes themselves, we would be splitting the niger delta into two. Awka-cross on one side and rivers, bayelsa delta on another....making it hard for them to agree.

We might even under-take a defence pact with nigeria to help them fight ND millitants once they start agitating..

We would have our sea access and still help the FG keep peace in their oil region. How much do u think the area in question might cost compared to how easy it will make life for future igbos. The area in question isnt worth much today because of oil polution. Imagine if we buy it, clean it up and build a sea port in it. Our children will be proud of such a deft move. And ikwerre will hate as usual.

u are mmaadddd.

mightguy:
u are mmaadddd.

lol...am not o. Are u ikwerre?

Bede2u:
i agree with all u said. I just want to say that tho i want anioma state created and added to SE, they really wont solve the biggest problem of SE which is direct access to sea port.

The only viable way to solve that is to include parts non-igbo SS into SE.

The smallest parts of SS we can include into SE to gain our sea access are the LGAs of khana, oyigbo and opobo.

Either we find a way to do the above, or we remain landlocked. Even if we add anioma and ikwerre join...still wont gv us the deep blue sea

You are still repeating this same line even after its been made clear than we can do without it. Is it that you dont understand or that you refuse to understand?

mightguy:
u are mmaadddd.

The guy is really disappointing me with his comments.

horsepower101:
The guy is really disappointing me with his comments.

don't mind him. What is the different between him and the Nigeria he is fighting against which such evil plan

pazienza:
The Ikwerres are not working their way back to anything.
They are simply repositioning themselves for 2023, when they would seek to grab and hijack the Igbo presidency campaign.
Don't be too foolish to fall for their gimmicks.
Those people are incapable of remorse. They are set in their Igbophobic ways, there is no remedying the situation.
You should be wise enough to know when someone is being manipulative to exploit you. After 2019, expect Wike to feature more on Igbo gatherings, including more public proclamations of being Igbo. Expect Ogbakor Ikwerre to mellow down on their Igbophobia campaign and speeches.
It's calculative. But we are one step ahead of them. Ikwerre is not Igbo. If they want to be Igbo, fine, let them prove it by joining hands to help us campaign for AIIA airport, which would be a purely Igbo airport, and not an Igbo( this is me assuming Ikwerres are now Igbo) - Ijaw Airport.
Wike should also help campaign vigorously for an Igbo presidential candidate from SE, and finance such.
Let their claim to Igbo be put through altruistic balance and see how it fails immediately.

Onye aghogbu ka agba.

For you to know the ikwerre hatred what did Amaechi do about the rails in Igbo or did he upgrade Enugu airport


I laugh at gullibles saying ikwerre are Igbo

They ain't

horsepower101:
You are still repeating this same line even after its been made clear than we can do without it. Is it that you dont understand or that you refuse to understand?

Nnaa, I tire. Achuo ya n'ite, oga n' ngiga.

Talking about buying up people lands and appropriating people land without their consent, and feeling funky and happy about it.
Just doesn't make sense to me.

Bede2u:
lol...am not o. Are u ikwerre?

oga Udon Kolo. Stop all this nonsense. Stop reasoning like a child.. What should be our goal is to make ugwuta/onitsha/Azumini river port viable. Atleast u should use this ur evil genius brain to start telling us how it gonna work and how to enlarge it to accommodate more ships for the igbo nation

arinzeejikonye:
Nice one, looks like zion estates in transekulu enugu.

But little or nothing have been heard about the Loyola college obiano layed foundation for,

See below, the proposal

Nothing is given free, as we can't war war, then we got to jaw jaw might is right, time is right for us to get entangled with the right formation of alliances, we need to shake hands of camaraderie as far as we can including with our immediate neighbors and others in other regions of the federation.

Got to keep our eyes on the ball, say no to isolation, say hi to interconnectivity.

Time is right for realpolitik,
Tag along with our interest, Got to come out dem leg warmers and get down to earth.

I understand where you are coming from but we need to work with neighbors that are also willing to work with us. We cannot continue to blindly embrace anyone or group that mean us harm. I understand that you have a one nigerianist mentality but it also needs a dose of the reality on the ground. You cant blindly embrace everyone in the name of one Nigeria including those who wish you harm.

Anyways thanks for the beautiful Zion estate picture. Its coming out really nice. I hope they do beautiful landscaping.

Bede2u:
u are correct. But i dont think yorubas wanna leave nigeria. About 40% of them are muslims and see the north as their brothers. Some yorubas in ilorin are also part fulani....plus dangote, dantata and a lot of northern oligarchs own lagos. Yorubas have everything they need in one nigeria. And u know most of their leaders are yoruba and pro- north

I agree that niger delta will want to leave once igbos leave. We should help FG ensure that doesnt happen. If we buy parts of khana and opobo from either FG or the indegenes themselves, we would be splitting the niger delta into two. Awka-cross on one side and rivers, bayelsa delta on another....making it hard for them to agree.

We might even under-take a defence pact with nigeria to help them fight ND millitants once they start agitating..

We would have our sea access and still help the FG keep peace in their oil region. How much do u think the area in question might cost compared to how easy it will make life for future igbos. The area in question isnt worth much today because of oil polution. Imagine if we buy it, clean it up and build a sea port in it. Our children will be proud of such a deft move. And ikwerre will hate as usual.

All we have to do is buy the straight just like Alaska or we incorporate only ogoni..obigbo and opobo wouldn't be an issue because they are Igbo already! We can forget Ikwere and Ọgba...they are useless..we don't need them or bad as it may be , we dregde the straight to Obuaku or Oguata and fight for water right ! They can't fight us ...we are 40 million strong but we can do them protectorate agreement ...that is the best

mightguy:
oga Udon Kolo. Stop all this nonsense. Stop reasoning like a child.. What should be our goal is to make ugwuta/onitsha/Azumini river port viable. Atleast u should use this ur evil genius brain to start telling us how it gonna work and how to enlarge it to accommodate more ships for the igbo nation

do u know wat is last resort?

Our last resort should be a river port. Rivers are owned by the countries they flow tru.

That is why nigeria gives ghana people electricity....to stop them from daming their portion of the niger.

We should only resort to our rivers if everything we do to have direct access to the sea fails.

We cant gv up having direct access to the sea because a few people insult us..thats a defeatist mentality. Stopping b4 u start because ppl tell u it cant be done. Wat u should ask urself is this...ok it cant be done, fine, but should it be done?

Bede2u:
do u know wat is last resort?

Our last resort should be a river port. Rivers are owned by the countries they flow tru.

That is why nigeria gives ghana people electricity....to stop them from daming their portion of the niger.

We should only resort to our rivers if everything we do to have direct access to the sea fails.

We cant gv up having direct access to the sea because a few people insult us..thats a defeatist mentality. Stopping b4 u start because ppl tell u it cant be done. Wat u should ask urself is this...ok it cant be done, fine, but should it be done?

no it shouldn't be.. This is evil

IkpuMmadu:
All we have to do is buy the straight just like Alaska or we incorporate only ogoni..obigbo and opobo wouldn't be an issue because they are Igbo already! We can forget Ikwere and Ọgba...they are useless..we don't need them or bad as it may be , we dregde the straight to Obuaku or Oguata and fight for water right ! They can't fight us ...we are 40 million strong but we can do them protectorate agreement ...that is the best

another wise guy is in the spirit with me

Bede2u:
do u know wat is last resort?

Our last resort should be a river port. Rivers are owned by the countries they flow tru.

That is why nigeria gives ghana people electricity....to stop them from daming their portion of the niger.

We should only resort to our rivers if everything we do to have direct access to the sea fails.

We cant gv up having direct access to the sea because a few people insult us..thats a defeatist mentality. Stopping b4 u start because ppl tell u it cant be done. Wat u should ask urself is this...ok it cant be done, fine, but should it be done?

stop this

mightguy:
no it shouldn't be.. This is evil

buying land is evil? Since wen? Igbos have been buying lands since 1970.

Of all the lands that we have ever bought anywhere, buying parts of khana and opobo will be the most important ever

Bede2u:
another wise guy is in the spirit with me

We have options we can give them protectorate like what China offered Taiwan and Macau or what France offered Monaco or what British offered gilbatar or Falklands or what USA offers Costa Rica

Bede2u:
buying land is evil? Since wen? Igbos have been buying lands since 1970.

Of all the lands that we have ever bought anywhere, buying parts of khana and opobo will be the most important ever

Yes...they would sell! Those guys want money or we can even lease the land for like 200yrs it depends and promise them protection and employment

Bede2u:
do u know wat is last resort?

Our last resort should be a river port. Rivers are owned by the countries they flow tru.

That is why nigeria gives ghana people electricity....to stop them from daming their portion of the niger.

We should only resort to our rivers if everything we do to have direct access to the sea fails.

We cant gv up having direct access to the sea because a few people insult us..thats a defeatist mentality. Stopping b4 u start because ppl tell u it cant be done. Wat u should ask urself is this...ok it cant be done, fine, but should it be done?

Not when the rivers are shared by nations. Look at Europe. Also look at International laws on rivers shared by multiple nations. In fact Obaku port own will be the easiest case because of its closeness to the sea. Let the others groups try to stop vessels trying to stop at obaku port and see if they wont lose the land that they are trying to hold on to. It will be a disaster for them trying to mess with Igbos.

Bede2u:
do u know wat is last resort?

Our last resort should be a river port. Rivers are owned by the countries they flow tru.

That is why nigeria gives ghana people electricity....to stop them from daming their portion of the niger.

We should only resort to our rivers if everything we do to have direct access to the sea fails.

We cant gv up having direct access to the sea because a few people insult us..thats a defeatist mentality. Stopping b4 u start because ppl tell u it cant be done. Wat u should ask urself is this...ok it cant be done, fine, but should it be done?

That's another option...we can make bonny or opobo an oversea territory making the waterways ours automatically