Equality is a slick and catchy slogan. But what does equality actually mean? In mathematics if two variables are equal, one can be substituted for the other without changing the result in any way at all. If men and women are equal in this sense, then a woman can do anything a man can do and vice versa. You can substitute one for the other everywhere. Thus a woman can be a truck driver, a coal miner, a prison guard, or what have you. Similarly a man can become Mr. Mom, replacing the mother in taking care of the children.

That such mathematical equality is absurd is manifest to anyone who knows the biological and psychological differences between men and women. Yet this is precisely the direction that the so called gender equality campaign has blindly taken. It aims at replacing the complementary relationship between men and women with a competitive one. The result can only be a social upheaval of unprecedented scale.

Some people in the societies that for centuries refused to consider women as human beings or to give them any rights have gone to one extreme from the other. Islam has nothing to do with such nonsense. When women had no rights in the world, it declared: “And women shall have rights, similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable.” [Al-Baqarah 2:228]. That remains its Command today and forever.

Similar rights, not same rights. Equity, not a blind equality.


Both men and women are equal in their humanity, in their accountability before Allah, in their responsibility to perform their assigned tasks and be judged based on their performance. But their assigned tasks are not the same. They have been given different capabilities by their Creator and the tasks based on those capabilities. This differentiation is not an error that needs to be corrected. It is the only basis for building a healthy and prosperous society. Islam liberates a woman from the modern tyranny of having to become a man in order to get a sense of self worth and achievement.

If Muslims had done their job, they would be asking for universal rights for women as given by Islam and generally ignored in the world today. Based on our dismal performance, and the current discourse on the subject, that would be quite a revolutionary — and liberating —act

Islam’s universal declaration of women’s rights would include the following:

1. Men and women have been given dignity by their Creator, but forces of immorality and darkness attack it in many ways. A prevalent form of this attack on women is pornography. Pornography is an affront to the respect and honor of women and produces an atmosphere where other crimes against them become possible. In many countries it has become an “industry” and they are exporting this filth to all parts of the world. Newer technologies, especially the Internet have also become mediums of choice for the purveyors of filth, posing a serious threat to morality everywhere. Pornography must be condemned and all trade in porn banned universally in the same way that dangerous drugs are banned.

2. Prostitution must be recognized as a despicable act of exploitation of women. No one who condones it can be taken seriously in their claims to respect women’s rights.

3. It is the responsibility of the husband to provide for the family. Islam has freed the women from this responsibility so she can take care of the home. All efforts to snatch this freedom and economic security from the women and forcing them out of the home into the labor force must be resisted.

4. Homemaking is a very honorable job and a serious responsibility; it is the foundation on which healthy societies can be built. The societies that disrespect homemaking lose the homemakers and result in broken homes as can easily be witnessed in many parts of the world. It should be recognized that the trend to belittle the task of homemaking is anti-family and anti-society and must be curbed.

5. It is a Muslim woman’s right to dress modestly, wear hijab, and refuse to be put on display. This right must be accepted universally and any effort to restrict this right must be recognized for what it is: Religious discrimination and/or persecution.

6. There is only one legitimate form of the family, that created by the union between a man and woman as provided in all revealed religions. Any other form is not only immoral, it poses a serious threat to the humanity.

7. Families should be protected from outside intrusion, especially intrusion by governments as much as possible. This also includes intrusion in the name of help. For resolution of family disputes, Islam suggests a three phase procedure.

A) Resolve the conflict within the home.

B) Resolve it within the family be involving elders from the families of husband and wife.

C) As a last resort resolve it through courts of law.

There is great wisdom in this approach.

Sayyiduna Umar, Radi-Allahu Anhu, said in a directive to the Qadis(Judges): “Refer the family disputes to the families (so they can resolve them within the family with the help of elders), for the judge’s verdicts create hatred and malice.”
Ignoring this scheme can only hurt the families that this new plan purports to help.


By: Khalid Baig as extracted from https://jamiat.org.za/equity-not-equality-feminism-islam/

Sugar coating, they are good at it, they won't tell you what's actually in the Quran and Hadith...

- Why is Eve created from the tiny ribs of Adam?

- Why are women not permitted to beat their husband?

- Why can't women be a leader?

- Why is the witness of that of the women be high to that of men in sharia court?

- Why must women cover up from head to toe and men shouldn't?

- Why can't women freely move around?

- Why are women in their monthly periods shouldn't fast, pray in the mosque?

- Why are women not imams and Sheikhs?

- A rape victim (woman) can be punish

- Why are women given less properties?

- Why can't women have multiple husbands?

And so many other women-degrading.

tintingz:
Sugar coating, they are good at it, they won't tell you what's actually in the Quran and Hadith...

- Why is Eve created from the tiny ribs of Adam?

- Why are women not permitted to beat their husband?

- Why can't women be a leader?

- Why is the witness of that of the women be high to that of men?

- Why must women cover up from head to toe and men shouldn't?

- Why can't women freely move around?

- Why are women in their monthly periods shouldn't fast, pray in the mosque?

- Why are women not imams and Sheikhs?

- A rape victim (woman) can be punish

- Why are women given less properties?

- Why can't women have multiple husbands?

And so many other women-degrading.

Not to be taken seriously.

tintingz:
Sugar coating, they are good at it, they won't tell you what's actually in the Quran and Hadith...

- Why is Eve created from the tiny ribs of Adam?

- Why are women not permitted to beat their husband?

- Why can't women be a leader?

- Why is the witness of that of the women be high to that of men?

- Why must women cover up from head to toe and men shouldn't?

- Why can't women freely move around?

- Why are women in their monthly periods shouldn't fast, pray in the mosque?

- Why are women not imams and Sheikhs?

- A rape victim (woman) can be punish

- Why are women given less properties?

- Why can't women have multiple husbands?

And so many other women-degrading.

You don’t have a point

Is Seun a Muslim? Why can't I post to ask unbiased questions on Muslim thread without accepting that I am a Muslim b4 I post? Why can't same be done on Christian threads?
I see it as being very bad. Seun should open up that thread so that we can ask meaningful questions but have an active moderator to delete posts that derail topic.

If he doesn't want us to comment, he shld quit bringing such topics to front page so that we don't see it.
I mean the jinn and angels thread.

mamatwiny:
Is Seun a Muslim? Why can't I post to ask unbiased questions on Muslim thread without accepting that I am a Muslim b4 I post? Why can't same be done on Christian threads?
I see it as being very bad. Seun should open up that thread so that we can ask meaningful questions but have an active moderator to delete posts that derail topic.

If he doesn't want us to comment, he shld quit bringing such topics to front page so that we don't see it.
I mean the jinn and angels thread.

if u don't bliv in Allah n his prophets (SAW) y can't u walk away to d nxt trend? Must u comment to wat u don't actually bliv in ? Cho Cho Cho Wii not kiii u !!

....

yrex01:
if u don't bliv in Allah n his prophets (SAW) y can't u walk away to d nxt trend? Must u comment to wat u don't actually bliv in ? Cho Cho Cho Wii not kiii u !!

If allah and his "prophets" are so scared of answering simple questions, then maybe allah only exists in one illiterate prophet's imagination.

G

tintingz:
Sugar coating, they are good at it, they won't tell you what's actually in the Quran and Hadith...

- Why is Eve created from the tiny ribs of Adam?

- Why are women not permitted to beat their husband?

- Why can't women be a leader?

- Why is the witness of that of the women be high to that of men?

- Why must women cover up from head to toe and men shouldn't?

- Why can't women freely move around?

- Why are women in their monthly periods shouldn't fast, pray in the mosque?

- Why are women not imams and Sheikhs?

- A rape victim (woman) can be punish

- Why are women given less properties?

- Why can't women have multiple husbands?

And so many other women-degrading.

- because the first creator is Adam and even your stupid evolutional theories explained it that all organisms come from pre- organism
. Understand that even biology has shown that women are incomplete men, see it in a genetic perspective that women are XX and man are XY
-women are not permitted beat men because in Islam in everything there should be a leader.. And men are the leaders. Let me take you again to genetics, male determine the gender of a child naturally explaining the superiority
- Because are easily manipulated, pls read psychological theorem's
Because a woman can be easily manipulated.

Lukgaf:
Equality is a slick and catchy slogan. But what does equality actually mean? In mathematics if two variables are equal, one can be substituted for the other without changing the result in any way at all. If men and women are equal in this sense, then a woman can do anything a man can do and vice versa. You can substitute one for the other everywhere. Thus a woman can be a truck driver, a coal miner, a prison guard, or what have you. Similarly a man can become Mr. Mom, replacing the mother in taking care of the children.

That such mathematical equality is absurd is manifest to anyone who knows the biological and psychological differences between men and women. Yet this is precisely the direction that the so called gender equality campaign has blindly taken. It aims at replacing the complementary relationship between men and women with a competitive one. The result can only be a social upheaval of unprecedented scale.

Some people in the societies that for centuries refused to consider women as human beings or to give them any rights have gone to one extreme from the other. Islam has nothing to do with such nonsense. When women had no rights in the world, it declared: “And women shall have rights, similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable.” [Al-Baqarah 2:228]. That remains its Command today and forever.

Similar rights, not same rights. Equity, not a blind equality.


Both men and women are equal in their humanity, in their accountability before Allah, in their responsibility to perform their assigned tasks and be judged based on their performance. But their assigned tasks are not the same. They have been given different capabilities by their Creator and the tasks based on those capabilities. This differentiation is not an error that needs to be corrected. It is the only basis for building a healthy and prosperous society. Islam liberates a woman from the modern tyranny of having to become a man in order to get a sense of self worth and achievement.

If Muslims had done their job, they would be asking for universal rights for women as given by Islam and generally ignored in the world today. Based on our dismal performance, and the current discourse on the subject, that would be quite a revolutionary — and liberating —act

Good day and thank you for such a balanced and truly well measured post. This is very thoughtful and refined and as I said I very much appreciate it. There is no doubt that the extreme feminists of today have extended their crusade into absolute absurdity and it is key that just such a post as this is presented with a view to providing much needed balance and good sense in this matter.

Having said that I will crave your indulgence to ask a few questions which I do pray you will be so good as to oblige me with.

I've finally accepted that I'm a Muslim so i can post anything that I want here

TruthHurts1:


If allah and his "prophets" are so scared of answering simple questions, then maybe allah only exists in one illiterate prophet's imagination.

I dont know what ur problem everyone is ask for declaration including me(a muslim) nd why must u be so arrogant it shows u have an empty brain

Mantain:

- because the first creator is Adam and even your stupid evolutional theories explained it that all organisms come from pre- organism
. Understand that even biology has shown that women are incomplete men, see it in a genetic perspective that women are XX and man are XY
-women are not permitted beat men because in Islam in everything there should be a leader.. And men are the leaders. Let me take you again to genetics, male determine the gender of a child naturally explaining the superiority
- Because are easily manipulated, pls read psychological theorem's
Because a woman can be easily manipulated.

I smell a wife beater

Are men permitted to beat women?

Mantain:

- because the first creator is Adam and even your stupid evolutional theories explained it that all organisms come from pre- organism
. Understand that even biology has shown that women are incomplete men, see it in a genetic perspective that women are XX and man are XY
-women are not permitted beat men because in Islam in everything there should be a leader.. And men are the leaders. Let me take you again to genetics, male determine the gender of a child naturally explaining the superiority
- Because are easily manipulated, pls read psychological theorem's
Because a woman can be easily manipulated.

Which evolutionary theory taught you that one?
Which biology taught you that women are "incomplete" men? What do chromosomes have to do with "completeness"? So men are capable of conception and gestation and lactation for example because they have X and Y chromosomes? That is "complete", abi?

You're more than free to peddle whatever cave man philosophy that your religions teach you. Better leave biology out of your delusions.

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I smell a wife beater

Are men permitted to beat women?[/quote
No... Why will I beat my wife.. Islam teaches my that my wife is my partner, my friend my subordinate.
I have to do justice to her or shall be punished.. Pls study Islam before you talk about it sir

Lukgaf:
Islam’s universal declaration of women’s rights would include the following:

1. Men and women have been given dignity by their Creator, but forces of immorality and darkness attack it in many ways. A prevalent form of this attack on women is pornography. Pornography is an affront to the respect and honor of women and produces an atmosphere where other crimes against them become possible. In many countries it has become an “industry” and they are exporting this filth to all parts of the world. Newer technologies, especially the Internet have also become mediums of choice for the purveyors of filth, posing a serious threat to morality everywhere. Pornography must be condemned and all trade in porn banned universally in the same way that dangerous drugs are banned.

I am afraid this bit may smack of some degree of intolerance. For whilst pornography may be a sin under the Islamic worldview I think you should bear in mind the fact that there are other worldviews within this world and in some alternative worldviews there is nothing wrong with pornography. This is particularly so in light of the fact that whereas for some "sins" (such as murder or theft) the wrongdoing is universally evident in that there is a clear act of depriving another human being of his or her rights (to life or property) - whereas in the case of pornography there is no such clear or universally discernible denigration of the rights of another human being.

Also I should point out the fact you have described pornography as an attack on women despite the fact that both men and women participate in it. I hope this is not a subtle hint that you tend towards male chauvinism in spite of the noble ideas expressed in your opening post?

2. Prostitution must be recognized as a despicable act of exploitation of women. No one who condones it can be taken seriously in their claims to respect women’s rights.

Again, why do you say the exploitation is of women here? I would understand if you specifically referred to se.xual slavery in terms of forced prostitution but where you refer to prostitution as a whole I think you mis-characterize things when you describe it as an exploitation of the rights of women. If anything it may be seen as women exploiting the se.xual weakness or depravity of men for money and material gain. And also for power.

3. It is the responsibility of the husband to provide for the family. Islam has freed the women from this responsibility so she can take care of the home. All efforts to snatch this freedom and economic security from the women and forcing them out of the home into the labor force must be resisted.

It is very curious indeed when you describe what appears to be the insistence of your religion that women must stay away from empowering work and stay at the home front as freedom. This is a very strange type of freedom indeed especially when you proceed to make it clear that there is no escape in your worldview from this strange freedom - since you insist that any effort to allow women join the labour force must be resisted.

Indeed you are so far gone in this respect that you actually describe such efforts as "forcing" women into the labour force whilst you do not see your own stance at all as "forcing" them to remain at home - which is clearly imprisonment. Strangely, you describe this as "freedom."

Why is this the case sir?

4. Homemaking is a very honorable job and a serious responsibility; it is the foundation on which healthy societies can be built. The societies that disrespect homemaking lose the homemakers and result in broken homes as can easily be witnessed in many parts of the world. It should be recognized that the trend to belittle the task of homemaking is anti-family and anti-society and must be curbed.

This is a good point and must be noted. Well said sir.

5. It is a Muslim woman’s right to dress modestly, wear hijab, and refuse to be put on display. This right must be accepted universally and any effort to restrict this right must be recognized for what it is: Religious discrimination and/or persecution.

I have to agree with you on this point as expressed: with the proviso that the definition of "modest" attire is surely not limited to the hijab or is it?

6. There is only one legitimate form of the family, that created by the union between a man and woman as provided in all revealed religions. Any other form is not only immoral, it poses a serious threat to the humanity.

Once again I wholly agree with you and I am especially pleased to see that you defined legitimate marriage as being between a man and woman and not between a man and several women.

Lukgaf:
Islam’s universal declaration of women’s rights would include the following:

1. Men and women have been given dignity by their Creator, but forces of immorality and darkness attack it in many ways. A prevalent form of this attack on women is pornography. Pornography is an affront to the respect and honor of women and produces an atmosphere where other crimes against them become possible. In many countries it has become an “industry” and they are exporting this filth to all parts of the world. Newer technologies, especially the Internet have also become mediums of choice for the purveyors of filth, posing a serious threat to morality everywhere. Pornography must be condemned and all trade in porn banned universally in the same way that dangerous drugs are banned.

2. Prostitution must be recognized as a despicable act of exploitation of women. No one who condones it can be taken seriously in their claims to respect women’s rights.

3. It is the responsibility of the husband to provide for the family. Islam has freed the women from this responsibility so she can take care of the home. All efforts to snatch this freedom and economic security from the women and forcing them out of the home into the labor force must be resisted.

Freed? And all these women that have been "freed" from this responsibility told you that they wanted your freedom, abi? So demanding the rights of women to work as they please is "forcing them out of the home" and "snatching their freedom". The delusion of you comedians will never cease to amaze.

4. Homemaking is a very honorable job and a serious responsibility; it is the foundation on which healthy societies can be built. The societies that disrespect homemaking lose the homemakers and result in broken homes as can easily be witnessed in many parts of the world. It should be recognized that the trend to belittle the task of homemaking is anti-family and anti-society and must be curbed.

If homemaking is that "honorable" go and do it. The foundation of far healthier societies than yours is built on individual liberties of all people. Not on reserving the role of housemaids to women and deluding yourself that it is "freedom". No woman is running from Denmark or Sweden to Saudi Arabia so she can embrace "freedom".

5. It is a Muslim woman’s right to dress modestly, wear hijab, and refuse to be put on display. This right must be accepted universally and any effort to restrict this right must be recognized for what it is: Religious discrimination and/or persecution.

6. There is only one legitimate form of the family, that created by the union between a man and woman as provided in all revealed religions. Any other form is not only immoral, it poses a serious threat to the humanity.

7. Families should be protected from outside intrusion, especially intrusion by governments as much as possible. This also includes intrusion in the name of help. For resolution of family disputes, Islam suggests a three phase procedure.

A) Resolve the conflict within the home.

B) Resolve it within the family be involving elders from the families of husband and wife.

C) As a last resort resolve it through courts of law.

There is great wisdom in this approach.

Sayyiduna Umar, Radi-Allahu Anhu, said in a directive to the Qadis(Judges): “Refer the family disputes to the families (so they can resolve them within the family with the help of elders), for the judge’s verdicts create hatred and malice.”
Ignoring this scheme can only hurt the families that this new plan purports to help.

By: Khalid Baig as extracted from https://jamiat.org.za/equity-not-equality-feminism-islam/

Oh, this one is a "right" too? Not a legal compulsion or a social demand. It is a "right" to wear bin bags over your head, looking like letterboxes (in the words of Boris Johnson). And that is "modesty"? I wonder why men don't dress with that same modesty.

JazakumuLahu khairon

Obi1kenobi:


Freed? And all these women that have been "freed" from this responsibility told you that they wanted your freedom, abi? So demanding the rights of women to work as they please is "forcing them out of the home" and "snatching their freedom". The delusion of you comedians will never cease to amaze.

Indeed the OP's description of this as "freedom" is eminently bizarre and I am waiting patiently for him to come back and throw some light on it as one really must wonder at this strange definition of freedom especially as he has gone so far as to state that any attempt to allow women to work must be "resisted."

If homemaking is that "honorable" go and do it. The foundation of far healthier societies than yours is built on individual liberties of all people. Not on reserving the role of housemaids to women and deluding yourself that it is "freedom". No woman is running from Denmark or Sweden to Saudi Arabia so she can embrace "freedom".

Indeed no one in the world seems eager to embrace this unique brand of freedom which the OP is advancing.

Oh, this one is a "right" too? Not a legal compulsion or a social demand. It is a "right" to wear bin bags over your head, looking like letterboxes (in the words of Boris Johnson). And that is "modesty"? I wonder why men don't dress with that same modesty.

The OP is indeed welcome to campaign for modest dressing so long as he does not then go further to insist that wearing a hijab is the only form of modest dressing for women.

No wahala bro. ask your question sir

LDaVinci:


Good day and thank you for such a balanced and truly well measured post. This is very thoughtful and refined and as I said I very much appreciate it. There is no doubt that the extreme feminists of today have extended their crusade into absolute absurdity and it is key that just such a post as this is presented with a view to providing much needed balance and good sense in this matter.

Having said that I will crave your indulgence to ask a few questions which I do pray you will be so good as to oblige me with.

LDaVinci:


Indeed the OP's description of this as "freedom" is eminently bizarre and I am waiting patiently for him to come back and throw some light on it as one really must wonder at this strange definition of freedom especially as he has gone so far as to state that any attempt to allow women to work must be "resisted."



Indeed no one in the world seems eager to embrace this unique brand of freedom which the OP is advancing.



The OP is indeed welcome to campaign for modest dressing so long as he does not then go further to insist that wearing a hijab is the only form of modest dressing for women.

The OP clearly quoted an extremist, but seems a loyal disciple of the extremist. It's one thing to simply say women are inferior to men which is why we treat them like shiit. That may be misogynistic, but it'd at least by honest. What I can't abide is the dishonesty of trying to cloak your misogynistic suppression of women with bizarre claims of fighting for their rights. Rights that the women are not architects of. Bizarre.

Mantain:

- because the first creator is Adam and even your stupid evolutional theories explained it that all organisms come from pre- organism
. Understand that even biology has shown that women are incomplete men, see it in a genetic perspective that women are XX and man are XY

So I guess the "X" chromosome jump from the sky.

-women are not permitted beat men because in Islam in everything there should be a leader.. And men are the leaders. Let me take you again to genetics, male determine the gender of a child naturally explaining the superiority

But men are permitted to beat their wives, that's domestic violence. Lol, A leader is by someone that determine the gender, so by your logic queen Elizabeth is a man?

- Because are easily manipulated, pls read psychological theorem's
Because a woman can be easily manipulated.

This is false generalization, we have men that can be easily be manipulated.

You must be very stupid. What part of biology states that women are incomplete men?

Illiterate Muslims.

Mantain:

- because the first creator is Adam and even your stupid evolutional theories explained it that all organisms come from pre- organism
. Understand that even biology has shown that women are incomplete men, see it in a genetic perspective that women are XX and man are XY
-women are not permitted beat men because in Islam in everything there should be a leader.. And men are the leaders. Let me take you again to genetics, male determine the gender of a child naturally explaining the superiority
- Because are easily manipulated, pls read psychological theorem's
Because a woman can be easily manipulated.

Lukgaf:
No wahala bro. ask your question sir

See above.

TruthHurts1:


If allah and his "prophets" are so scared of answering simple questions, then maybe allah only exists in one illiterate prophet's imagination.

ohhh now I can see d que u want to ask ! Hating on anoda man bliv yet u claim to b pure in ur ways.. It won't take u anywhere in life. Change !!

Are there no Muslim women here? Maybe we should hear from them too. Abi, are they also banned from using Nairaland?

Obi1kenobi:


Which evolutionary theory taught you that one?
Which biology taught you that women are "incomplete" men? What do chromosomes have to do with "completeness"? So men are capable of conception and gestation and lactation for example because they have X and Y chromosomes? That is "complete", abi?

You're more than free to peddle whatever cave man philosophy that your religions teach you. Better leave biology out of your delusions.

Lol, I wonder where he got the idea women are incomplete, maybe the "X" chromosome was created by men.