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Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by Pataricatering(f): 11:41pm On Nov 02, 2018
These are legitimate questions being asked by Muslim women - you simply do not have any answers to them ! The world has moved on from the domineering attitude of religion ! Now you have to actually have sensible answers to question -
AbdulHakeem44:


Not to be taken seriously.

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Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by Pataricatering(f): 11:44pm On Nov 02, 2018
So for a ceo to prove his leadership skills he must beat up his staff ? You are just dumb !
Mantain:

- because the first creator is Adam and even your stupid evolutional theories explained it that all organisms come from pre- organism
. Understand that even biology has shown that women are incomplete men, see it in a genetic perspective that women are XX and man are XY
-women are not permitted beat men because in Islam in everything there should be a leader.. And men are the leaders. Let me take you again to genetics, male determine the gender of a child naturally explaining the superiority
- Because are easily manipulated, pls read psychological theorem's
Because a woman can be easily manipulated.

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Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by Pataricatering(f): 11:46pm On Nov 02, 2018
Keep quiet there ! Liar oshi! Islam permits you to beat your wife - you might not feel like hitting your wife but there are pleeeeeenty of men who love hitting their wives and Islam gives them the perfect reasons ! [quote author=Mantain post=72619879][/quote]

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Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by Pataricatering(f): 11:54pm On Nov 02, 2018
They are generally discouraged from Islamic scholarship so the only view we get is from male scholars who pursue an extremely misogynistic reading of the Quran and hadiths !
Obi1kenobi:
Are there no Muslim women here? Maybe we should hear from them too. Abi, are they also banned from using Nairaland? grin

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Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by ibnhasan: 3:23am On Nov 03, 2018
Lukgaf:
Equality is a slick and catchy slogan. But what does equality actually mean? In mathematics if two variables are equal, one can be substituted for the other without changing the result in any way at all. If men and women are equal in this sense, then a woman can do anything a man can do and vice versa. You can substitute one for the other everywhere. Thus a woman can be a truck driver, a coal miner, a prison guard, or what have you. Similarly, a man can become Mr. Mom, replacing the mother in taking care of the children.

That such mathematical equality is absurd is manifest to anyone who knows the biological and psychological differences between men and women. Yet this is precisely the direction that the so called gender equality campaign has blindly taken. It aims at replacing the complementary relationship between men and women with a competitive one. The result can only be a social upheaval of unprecedented scale.[quote author=Lukgaf post=72596575]

The bolded shows that the writer really doesn't know what feminism is all about. It is never about gender rivalry. Rather it's about giving women the opportunity to make choices about how they live their lives, something the society readily affords men. It is about subjecting men to the same societal standards of morality as women. A man should not be praised for having multiple sex partners while a woman is considered a slut for the doing same.

I like how the OP has been taken to task on these positions by contributors to this thread, and I am very interested in seeing his responses to the queries that have been raised.

Over to you sir, @LukGaf
Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by ibnhasan: 3:29am On Nov 03, 2018
Pataricatering:
Keep quiet there ! Liar oshi! Islam permits you to beat your wife - you might not feel like hitting your wife but there are pleeeeeenty of men who love hitting their wives and Islam gives them the perfect reasons !

Islam does not permit you to beat your wife. The fact that many Muslim men do it does not make it Islamic
Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by AbdulHakeem44(m): 8:27am On Nov 03, 2018
Pataricatering:
These are legitimate questions being asked by Muslim women - you simply do not have any answers to them ! The world has moved on from the domineering attitude of religion ! Now you have to actually have sensible answers to question -

whatever legislated by the creator is not to be upturned by low intellect humans, He is our creator and He knows what is best for us. World deviating from the norms is what has led to chaos and instability and moral decadence in it today. We Muslims holds onto the teachings of our religion firmly, we do not allow human intellect judge over what is already judged and legislated by the Almighty.

This is why we are different from other religions, Islam in itself is complete. We dont need the ideology of people who called themselves feminists to overtake us. Other religions have room for such but not Islam.
Thank you
Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by tintingz(m): 7:44pm On Nov 03, 2018
AbdulHakeem44:


whatever legislated by the creator is not to be upturned by low intellect humans, He is our creator and He knows what is best for us. World deviating from the norms is what has led to chaos and instability and moral decadence in it today. We Muslims holds onto the teachings of our religion firmly, we do not allow human intellect judge over what is already judged and legislated by the Almighty.

This is why we are different from other religions, Islam in itself is complete. We dont need the ideology of people who called themselves feminists to overtake us. Other religions have room for such but not Islam.
Thank you
- How was norms created and how's deviating from norms cause chaos?

- If God is the creator, perfect and knows the best for us, why giving laws, is it that he forget to do some things in the beginning or what?

- What makes you think your religion is complete and not man-made?

I'm interested in knowing how you arrived at your claims.

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Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by LDaVinci: 1:46pm On Nov 08, 2018
Lukgaf I am still waiting
Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by Lukgaf(m): 9:58am On Nov 09, 2018
LDaVinci:


I am afraid this bit may smack of some degree of intolerance. For whilst pornography may be a sin under the Islamic worldview I think you should bear in mind the fact that there are other worldviews within this world and in some alternative worldviews there is nothing wrong with pornography. This is particularly so in light of the fact that whereas for some "sins" (such as murder or theft) the wrongdoing is universally evident in that there is a clear act of depriving another human being of his or her rights (to life or property) - whereas in the case of pornography there is no such clear or universally discernible denigration of the rights of another human being.

Also I should point out the fact you have described pornography as an attack on women despite the fact that both men and women participate in it. I hope this is not a subtle hint that you tend towards male chauvinism in spite of the noble ideas expressed in your opening post?

Chief, apology for my late response sir. To answer this, I think I supported the position of the author because what makes it pornography is the presence of female in the concept. I wonder if you or other people will watch if only males' nudes are displayed. unconfirmed statistics made it known majority of the pornography features women. You can as well look it from this end, most of the advertisement (banner or other jingle) we see or listen to-wears, cream, telecommunication and lots, not only display female nudes but intimidate men with their sweet voices which may cause fitnah.

Again, why do you say the exploitation is of women here? I would understand if you specifically referred to sexual slavery in terms of forced prostitution but where you refer to prostitution as a whole I think you mis-characterize things when you describe it as an exploitation of the rights of women. If anything it may be seen as women exploiting the se.xual weakness or depravity of men for money and material gain. And also for power.

Islam enjoins us to preach goodness and forbid what is bad sir.


It is very curious indeed when you describe what appears to be the insistence of your religion that women must stay away from empowering work and stay at the home front as freedom. This is a very strange type of freedom indeed especially when you proceed to make it clear that there is no escape in your worldview from this strange freedom - since you insist that any effort to allow women join the labour force must be resisted.

Indeed you are so far gone in this respect that you actually describe such efforts as "forcing" women into the labour force whilst you do not see your own stance at all as "forcing" them to remain at home - which is clearly imprisonment. Strangely, you describe this as "freedom."

Why is this the case sir?
Chief, sorry for asking this sir, are you married with children sir?, Your feelings when your wife is forced to resume work after three month of birth and your 3 months old baby being forced to attend day care should answer this sir!



This is a good point and must be noted. Well said sir.



I have to agree with you on this point as expressed: with the proviso that the definition of "modest" attire is surely not limited to the hijab or is it?

Sir, If modest is not covering all sensitive part of the body, then what other ways is best described sir?, To me and people like you, attires leaving breasts and other sensitive female part opened is not attire. You will agree with me, the way our mothers dress is far different from how some ladies dress today even with a skirt and blouse. To be modest in dressing includes covering all part of the body and ensuring the shapes of the sensitive parts are not showing, this is the function of the Hijab sir


Once again I wholly agree with you and I am especially pleased to see that you defined legitimate marriage as being between a man and woman and not between a man and several women.

Sir, Legitimate in that sense does not necessarily means the number of wife or wives in a marriage but means an initial institution between a man and a woman before they can have sexual intercourse which is opposite of so-called courtship wherein most couples impregnate themselves before marriage. Also, let me reiterate, a man is permitted to marry up to 4 wives if he is capable of doing so. and Allah know best sir.

Thanks for your questions and apology for my late response sir

Re: Islam Vs Feminism: Equity or Equality? by Lukgaf(m): 10:03am On Nov 09, 2018
Cheif LDaVinci, I hope I have done just to them all?

LDaVinci:

Lukgaf I am still waiting

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