Maamin:


I see that your understanding of body,spirit and soul needs to be addressed as well.

Who sent the holy spirit and the son?

Can the begeted be greater than the begeter?...the father is no subject to any one but the son is subject to the father 1 Cor 15:28

As for body spirit and soul. The spirit is greater and controls the physical. The soul is not a separate part but the entire package that is ( spirit+body=living soul)

Thanks for sharing sir.

MuttleyLaff:
""I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;"
- John 14:16

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.
If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than I"
- John 14:28

"“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father,
he will bear witness about me."
- John 15:26

The sum and substance of the Godhead (i.e. the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit) is that they're co-equal
yet it doesnt stop the Holy Spirit being submissive to the Jesus, just as Jesus is submissive to the Father

So parroting Jesus, the Father is greater than Jesus
and hitting off from the above submissive context, Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit

Why is Yahweh never obedient or submissive to Jesus Christ or the holy spirit ?

U claimed "they are the same God", coequal. Yet "Jesus was begotted by the Father who is greater than Jesus.
Co equal for where ?

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Shelumiel:
...so Yahweh is seeking consent from lesser beings right ? So an all-powerful God , needs the consent of His creatures to to do stuff , right ? Guy, I didn't you were f**king stupid .

Yahweh was not seeking anyone's consent. The words, thought, idea was originally Yahweh's. It was Yahweh's bidding.
Others obeyed/agreed.
I won't descend to your lowlife delusion.

MuttleyLaff:
What is the most important out of all the three,
as in, the body/flesh, spirit and soul,
with spirit not be mistaken for the Holy Spirit though?

Spirit is the immaterial essence of the material (body). The spirit is the power source of the unconscious body. Spirit here is the breath of life. Spirit is the energy source of the lifeless body. In conclusion spirit is the most important component.

It was only when God added this vital component to the dust(body) Adam became animated (a living soul)

Shelumiel:
It's too early for stupidity. Just read the f**king verse and come up with a logical explanation why God , will be seeking consent from things less significant than Him .

You are the confused one here....were you not the one saying Yahweh was seeking consent in Gen 11:7 And 1:26

Shelumiel
The Father is greater than all , but yet He seeks the consent of lesser Beings (Jesus and the Holy Spirit ) to make decisions (Genesis1:26 and Genesis11:7), right ? Is that showing you He is greater than all ?

Those are your exact words

Dishonest people everywhere, yuck!

Maamin:


You are the confused one here....were you not the one saying Yahweh was seeking consent in Gen 11:7 And 1:26



Those are your exact words

Dishonest people everywhere, yuck!

Like I said earlier , "just read ". The question I threw at you was one that demands a logical explanation; now give it.

Shelumiel:
[s]Like I said earlier , "just read ". The question I threw at you was one that demands a logical explanation; now give it.[/s]

Crap!

#Goes Into the dustbin

Shelumiel:
Like I said earlier , "just read ". The question I threw at you was one that demands a logical explanation; now give it.

Bros go and rest...you've been floored or better still change topic.
If your father tells you "let's go there"...does it mean your dad is asking for your permission to go?
it is obvious Yahweh wasn't asking for permission.

Maamin:


I see that your understanding of body,spirit and soul needs to be addressed as well.

Who sent the holy spirit and the son?

Can the begeted be greater than the begeter?...the father is no subject to any one but the son is subject to the father 1 Cor 15:28

As for body spirit and soul. The spirit is greater and controls the physical. The soul is not a separate part but the entire package that is ( spirit+body=living soul)

Good morning sir.
I came across this scripture and it truly made me know I need more clarity.

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

I was surprised the mind was separated from the soul. I used to think they were more or less the same.
Can you help disambiguate between Spirit, Soul, Mind and Heart.
Thanks.

Maamin:


I see that your understanding of body,spirit and soul needs to be addressed as well.

Who sent the holy spirit and the son?

Can the begeted be greater than the begeter?...the father is no subject to any one but the son is subject to the father 1 Cor 15:28

As for body spirit and soul. The spirit is greater and controls the physical. The soul is not a separate part but the entire package that is ( spirit+body=living soul)

No sir..

The soul is not "the entire package"

From that equation in your post, if you remove the body at death, you have only the spirit remaining.....

The spirit goes back to God (scriptural).

So, what is judged then ?

nothing ?

The soul is judged...The soul of a sinner goes to hell while that of a child of God goes to heaven.


Take a closer look at this:

" For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,

piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
(Hebrews 4: 12)

Did you see spirit and soul there ?

We find it difficult to explain the separation of the spirit and soul...

did you notice "EVEN to the dividing asunder of the spirit and soul?"

It is very difficult to separate this two...They are only separated at death.....

But the word of God can locate the division line...

Shelumiel:
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a manifestation of the same thing : God . So none of them is greater . In fact, there is a certain equality among them , especially when it comes to decision making . Take a look at Genesis1:26 and Genesis 11:7. Hope this helps .

Jesus said "the Father is greater than I" john14:28. Why do U choose to lie against Jesus ?
Twister of truth

iamwhat:
In John 14:28 Jesus clearly states, The Father (Jehovah) is greater than Him but never mentioned the relationship between him and the Holy Spirit. In fact, I can't see anywhere in the Bible Jesus speaks about Holy Spirit being God.
Jesus always talks about Himself being in The Father and vice versa.

Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 14:10 NKJV


Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 14:11 NKJV

At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
John 14:20 NKJV


I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 17:23 NKJV
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There are many other Bible verses Jesus only speaks about himself and the Father but never talks about the Holy Spirit until He said he'll send a comforter.

And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 14:16‭-‬17 NKJV

The above is Jesus' description of the Holy Spirit (He called him a Helper) which would be sent by God...

How come people refer to Holy Spirit as God ? and If He's God, is He greater than Jesus ?

NOTE: I'M A BELIEVER I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATIONS.


Modified: Changed Greatest to Greater

Is the Holy Spirit a person in the first place? (Read Genesis 1:2 and Isaiah 40:26(

The holy spirit isn't a person but God's active force or God's power

Please ,endeavor to always base your Christian beliefs on what the bible actually says ( Read Acts 17:11)

pressplay411:


Good morning sir.
I came across this scripture and it truly made me know I need more clarity.

Luke 10:25-28
And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”
27 So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
28 And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.”

I was surprised the mind was separated from the soul. I used to think they were more or less the same.
Can you help disambiguate between Spirit, Soul, Mind and Heart.
Thanks.

It is not separated per say, it only telling that you must love the Lord your God with all that makes you up. The mind is part of the soul the soul is life(Spirit), the heart beats because of this life, having life in you is having strength (power, energy). They are related mutually.

Is like saying Me, myself, I. I'm still referring to myself in my very entirety. Not different substance.

iamwhat:


To answer you question, Grandpa is the head.

Now substitute Father, Son and Holy spirit into your list.

Let's represent Jehovah as Grandpa, which is A in your list, Who is B and C ?

Jehovah is Jesus manifested. The Holy Spirit is Jesus emanating.

If you still believe that Jehovah is different from Jesus and the Holy Spirit is different from Jesus, then you have three gods. That makes you an idol worshiper.

Shelumiel:
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a manifestation of the same thing : God . So none of them is greater . In fact, there is a certain equality among them , especially when it comes to decision making . Take a look at Genesis1:26 and Genesis 11:7. Hope this helps .

Thank you sir.

Maamin:


It is not separated per say, it only telling that you must love the Lord your God with all that makes you up. The mind is part of the soul the soul is life(Spirit), the heart beats because of this life, having life in you is having strength (power, energy). They are related mutually.

Is like saying Me, myself, I. I'm still referring to myself in my very entirety. Not different substance.

Thanks but I still need more clarity.
What are their functions?
Does the heart have separate functions from the spirit? Does the soul have separate functions as the mind?

My prior knowledge is that the soul contains the mind and is the seat of intellect and decision-making.
Is this right?

OneJ:



Why is Yahweh never obedient or submissive to Jesus Christ or the holy spirit ?

U claimed "they are the same God", coequal. Yet "Jesus was begotted by the Father who is greater than Jesus.
Co equal for where ?

Co-equal means two of them being equal? Sir, Jehovah is Jesus.

How do we even read the Bible sef? Its all there plainly.

OneJ:



Jesus said "the Father is greater than I" john14:28. Why do U choose to lie against Jesus ?
Twister of truth

Jehovah's Witnesses with their literal understanding of Scriptures.

Pls how is Jesus the Son of God considering that every Son must have a father and mother.

We worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity.

Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance.

For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit.

But the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have one divinity, equal glory, and coeternal majesty.

What the Father is, the Son is, and the Holy Spirit is.

The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated.

The Father is boundless, the Son is boundless, and the Holy Spirit is boundless.

The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Spirit is eternal.

Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being.
So there are not three uncreated beings, nor three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being.

Likewise, the Father is omnipotent, the Son is omnipotent, the Holy Spirit is omnipotent. Yet there are not three omnipotent beings, but one omnipotent being.

Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.
However, there are not three gods, but one God.

The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord.
However, there as not three lords, but one Lord.

For as we are obliged by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person singly to be God and Lord, so too are we forbidden by the Catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords.

The Father was not made, nor created, nor generated by anyone.
The Son is not made, nor created, but begotten by the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit is not made, nor created, nor generated, but proceeds from the Father and the Son.

There is, then, one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three sons; one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.

In this Trinity, there is nothing before or after, nothing greater or less. The entire three Persons are coeternal and coequal with one another.

So that in all things, as is has been said above, the Unity is to be worshipped in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity.
He, therefore, who wishes to be saved, must believe thus about the Trinity.

It is also necessary for eternal salvation that he believes steadfastly in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Thus the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is both God and man.

As God, He was begotten of the substance of the Father before time; as man, He was born in time of the substance of His Mother.

He is perfect God; and He is perfect man, with a rational soul and human flesh.
He is equal to the Father in His divinity, but inferior to the Father in His humanity.

Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ.
And He is one, not because His divinity was changed into flesh, but because His humanity was assumed unto God.

He is one, not by a mingling of substances, but by unity of person.
As a rational soul and flesh are one man: so God and man are one Christ.

He died for our salvation, descended into hell, and rose from the dead on the third day.
He ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of God the Father almighty. From there He shall come to judge the living and the dead.

At His coming, all men are to arise with their own bodies; and they are to give an account of their own deeds.
Those who have done good deeds will go into eternal life; those who have done evil will go into the everlasting fire.

This is the Catholic faith. Everyone must believe it, firmly and steadfastly.

Amen.

grandstar:


Is the Holy Spirit a person in the first place? (Read Genesis 1:2 and Isaiah 40:26(

The holy spirit isn't a person but God's active force or God's power

Please ,endeavor to always base your Christian beliefs on what the bible actually says ( Read Acts 17:11)

Do you have these verses in your Bible?
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 16...

This is where Jesus says He is the Holy Spirit.
[b] will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
John:14:18

You mean the Holy Spirit is not a person yet 'It speaks?'. Matt. 10: 19-20. Do you know you need a mouth to speak?

The Holy Spirit is a force, yet 'It' is a helper? Jon 14:26.

The Holy Spirit is not a person but 'it' is a teacher? Luke 12:'12. Do you know you need intellect, decrement and understanding to teach or impart knowledge to another person?

The Holy Spirit which is just a force teaches, acts as an advocate, a lawyer or defender. it guides, directs and brings to remembrance.
The. Lord Jesus called the Holy Spirit Him, Charles Tass Resell called him IT. Who is insane here?

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No sir..

The soul is not "the entire package"

From that equation in your post, if you remove the body at death, you have only the spirit remaining.....

The spirit goes back to God (scriptural).

So, what is judged then ?

nothing ?

The soul is judged...The soul of a sinner goes to hell while that of a child of God goes to heaven.

Ecc 12:7, 9:5-6, 3:19 all talks about what happens at death and it does not involve immediate judgment. All are dead and awaits to be resurrected on judgment day for their reward either good or bad.

By the grace of God. Jesus made it clear that no one has ever ascended to heaven nor descended from heaven except him.
The body and soul will be raised on the last day when the spirit is United into a body at resurrection for judgement.

The soul, body and spirit is complex, the word of God simply laying emphasis on how strong and true the word is that it can judge (divide) through the most complex bond of human as a living creature and set apart.

There are verses that address soul as the entire living creature, as the mind and consciousness of a living thing, as the life of a living thing, as the immaterial part of a living being, and so many other instances.

Anas09:

Jehovah is Jesus manifested. The Holy Spirit is Jesus emanating.

If you still believe that Jehovah is different from Jesus and the Holy Spirit is different from Jesus, then you have three gods. That makes you an idol worshiper.

With the bolded, where does the idea of trinity comes from anyway?

What is the point of believing in trinity if the Bible didn't even mentioned or gave any such idea?.

Maamin:


With the bolded, where does the idea of trinity comes from anyway?

What is the point of believing in trinity if the Bible didn't even mentioned or gave any such idea?.

It does, but you choose not to see it. That the Word TRINITY IS NOT EXPLICITLY MENTIONED doesn't mean it's not there.

Take the Word of God literally and you remain at the material level.

Jesus talked about Trinity when he said he came FROM the Father and is going back to the Father. He said Him and the Father are One. If you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Meaning, They are Distinguishable but not divisible.

What does this mean?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John:5:7

This ^^^ is in Heaven, but how does this work in a material earth?

Let me try to explain this by using Reality and Manifestation. (What is real but you can't see it until it takes a form).

Reality is substantial, while Manifestation is Form; material or physical. The Reality of a thing is the Essence of that thing.

Whatever is Real will remain hidden (to man), unless it is manifested in a form.

Hebrews 1:1 tells us that Jesus is the exact image of YHWH, and in the old times, the Prophets only dealt with His divine Essence. He was present, but not in a form, but now, He has decided to pour His essence into a receptacle which is given a name, Jesus; which still means 'The Salvation' of Jehovah. And He said, If you are imagining how YHWH looks, here i am. For I and the Father One.

Jehovah is God in Essence, Jesus is God in manifestation and the Holy Spirit is the Emanation of the Reality and the Manifestation of YHWH.

His Essence could not indwell humans permanently, His body could only be with us physically, but He intended to indwell us, because if he does, demons will no longer have access to posses and destroy us from within. So His Spirit is indwelling us forever.

This is hard, very hard for anyone who thinks with his eyes and not from his mind. Try to think from your mind, you'd understand what i just said, but if you remain at the level of only what you can see, then...

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Thanks but I still need more clarity.
What are their functions?
Does the heart have separate functions from the spirit? Does the soul have separate functions as the mind?

The breath of life is what powers up all this organs (engine) of the body to carry out their functions to keep the flesh alive. The mind is more or less the soul. "And man became a living soul" that is a living consciousness.

My prior knowledge is that the soul contains the mind and is the seat of intellect and decision-making.
Is this right?

You are not wrong in anyway by saying that, the soul itself is the human senses and consciousness. You must have heard people ask "have you list you mind?" that is like saying "have you lost your sanity or senses". The senses and intellect comes alive when the spirit enters the body.

Take for instance a light bulb(body), without electrical current(spirit, life) the bulb does not lit (come alive as a soul). The light in other words does not exist anywhere prior to the electrical current that brings the light up when it flows into the bulb. The moment the current is switched off the light (soul, mind or consciousness) cease to be once again. When it is turned on the bulb shines.

pressplay411:

Thanks sir. But there's no comparison in the Kingdom. There's no greater than. They are Co-equal. May God give us more understanding.

Is there any scriptural backing for Their being coequal?

Anas09:

Jehovah's Witnesses with their literal understanding of Scriptures.

Pls how is Jesus the Son of God considering that every Son must have a father and mother.

Jesus said "the Father is greater than I" ,it's very precise and to the point.
What message is Jesus passing on to U in John 14:28?
Angels are the "sons of God", ( Job 1:6. 38:7) yet they have no mother.
Likewise, Jesus is the son of God (Matt3:17. 16:13-17

OneJ:


Jesus said "the Father is greater than I" ,what message is Jesus passing on to U in John 14:28?
Angels are the "sons of God", ( Job 1:6. 38:7) yet they have no mother.
Likewise, Jesus is the son of God (Matt3:17. 16:13-17

No matter how much one tries to lift your perception and make you see with your mind instead of with your eye, you can't. The WachTower blinds are too thick on you.

You have no clue who Jehovah is.

OneJ:


Jesus said "the Father is greater than I" ,it's very precise and to the point.
What message is Jesus passing on to U in John 14:28?
Angels are the "sons of God", ( Job 1:6. 38:7) yet they have no mother.
Likewise, Jesus is the son of God (Matt3:17. 16:13-17

And i remember you didn't respond to the post i made about the Divine Design of how Jehovash poured himself into a receptacle called Jesus and Manifested as human.

Anas09:

No matter how much one tries to lift your perception and make you see with your mind instead of with your eye, you can't. The WachTower blinds are too thick on you.

You have no clue who Jehovah is.

Mumu post.
Was John 14:28 . Matt 3:17 & 16:13-17 written by the Watchtower ?
With your mumu perception corrupted by mumu doctrine ,U have already denied who Jehovah is .
Jehovah ,the Only true God is not a triune god fabricated by the delusions of mortals like U.

Kingdollar28:


Na Ur type dy do over Sabi back in primary school days...

Any small thing, u go rush and report to teacher....

You asked question,you answered yourself and still demand another answer..!!

Ok lemme answer you; who is the head of the family when grand father is still alive??

(A) grand pa

(B) Father

(C)1st Born

?Note: I'm a Christian.. I just need some clarification..

Shelumiel:
The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are a manifestation of the same thing : God . So none of them is greater . In fact, there is a certain equality among them , especially when it comes to decision making . Take a look at Genesis1:26 and Genesis 11:7. Hope this helps .

Well said.
I've come to realise it's difficult to explain the Holy Spirit to anyone who still sees "him" as "it."
I pray we all have more understanding.

I recently realised when Jesus Christ was referring to the Holy spirit, He refered to him as Father.
We just have to study John 14 and pray for Rhema.