It's a worrisome scenario that people seem to have gotten used to, even that everyone that dies now is assumed to have gone to heaven, and is with God. And you hear some very nice and sweet songs being composed on their behalf in that respect which often become hits and chart toppers even when it's hardly ever true.

The worst case is when even someone that was clearly a devil in the flesh, and an epitome of wickedness on earth dies, you'll still hear similar things being said concerning such a person by those concerned, even though they clearly know that the only way that person could possibly be in heaven is in a nightmare that one would immediately want to wake up from, because it's a lie that would not even be believed in a dream!

Maybe it was high time we stopped deceiving ourselves, and even if we don't want to say the blatant truth that the person is in hell, must we now have to lie just to pacify men and give ourselves false hopes?

Well the truth is that most of the people that die do not go to heaven, and the sooner we come to terms with that reality, the better it would be for us, as the acknowledgement of that truth may itself even lead us to do things differently from them, so as not to end up in the same place as they did, but to truly go to heaven!

jesusjnr:
It's a worrisome scenario that people seem to have gotten used to, even that everyone that dies now is assumed to have gone to heaven, and is with God. And you hear some very nice and sweet songs being composed on their behalf in that respect which often become hits and chart toppers even when it's hardly ever true.

The worst case is when even someone that was clearly a devil in the flesh, and an epitome of wickedness on earth dies, you'll still hear similar things being said concerning such a person by those concerned, even though they clearly know that the only way that person could possibly be in heaven is in a nightmare that one would immediately want to wake up from, because it's a lie that would not even be believed in a dream!

Maybe it was high time we stopped deceiving ourselves, and even if we don't want to say the blatant truth that the person is in hell, must we now have to lie just to pacify men and give ourselves false hopes?

Well the truth is that most of the people that die do not go to heaven, and the sooner we come to terms with that reality, the better it would be for us, as the acknowledgement of that truth may itself even lead us to do things differently from them, so as not to end up in the same place as they did, but to truly go to heaven!

My brother, it breaks my heart each time I see supposed leaders of tomorrow sharing the most vacuous of post and literally hailing stupidity; then I knew here and now that these lots are totally bereft of any moral or social -cultural gauge that makes them see a lie for what it is.

People here on this platform are very very empty headed when it comes to objectivity they would rather follow the crowd instead of taking their time to think what is been said through.

The other I confronted one of these confused wannabees atheist saying he does not believe in the existence of God only for him to crawl back into the hole he crept out from after fired him with loaded facts of the existence of God.

In all, we know people do not necessarily go to heaven after death.
Like in Islaam, we believe the dead are in a state known as barzakh(a sleeping state where they alone experience whatever good or evil deeds they did).

If people go to heaven or hell immediately after they die then the question should be : what is the essence of judgement day since we have already assigned those who will go to heaven or hell without hearing or waiting for Almighty God's ultimate judgement.

Friend01:


My brother, it breaks my heart each time I see supposed leaders of tomorrow sharing the most vacuous of post and literally hailing stupidity; then I knew here and now that these lots are totally bereft of any moral or social -cultural gauge that makes them see a lie for what it is.

People here on this platform are very very empty headed when it comes to objectivity they would rather follow the crowd instead of taking their time to think what is been said through.

The other I confronted one of these confused wannabees atheist saying he does not believe in the existence of God only for him to crawl back into the hole he crept out from after fired him with loaded facts of the existence of God.

In all, we know people do not necessarily go to heaven after death.
Like in Islaam, we believe the dead are in a state known as barzakh(a sleeping state where they alone experience whatever good or evil deeds they did).

If people go to heaven or hell immediately after they die then the question should be : what is the essence of judgement day since we have already assigned those who will go to heaven or hell without hearing or waiting for Almighty God's ultimate judgement.

You definitely have a valid point bro, but I don't believe it's necessarily judgmental to assume someone has gone to heaven or in hell, but my point is why not at least use the same criteria that God himself the righteous judge has shown to be his standard, so that even if you don't get it perfectly correct, that the difference would not be much?

In order to illustrate my point in a way that you may better understand, let me use the instance of prophet Muhammad, it is not obvious to you where his destination or end is?

So it doesn't at all mean that you are usurping God of his exclusive powers, but you're just using His given standard to arrive at that position right? Now that's exactly my point!

Lies, lies, lies, stop telling lies!

Such lies won't help anyone!

And they just won't stop lying!

jesusjnr:
It's a worrisome scenario that people seem to have gotten used to, even that everyone that dies now is assumed to have gone to heaven, and is with God. And you hear some very nice and sweet songs being composed on their behalf in that respect which often become hits and chart toppers even when it's hardly ever true.

The worst case is when even someone that was clearly a devil in the flesh, and an epitome of wickedness on earth dies, you'll still hear similar things being said concerning such a person by those concerned, even though they clearly know that the only way that person could possibly be in heaven is in a nightmare that one would immediately want to wake up from, because it's a lie that would not even be believed in a dream!

Maybe it was high time we stopped deceiving ourselves, and even if we don't want to say the blatant truth that the person is in hell, must we now have to lie just to pacify men and give ourselves false hopes?

Well the truth is that most of the people that die do not go to heaven, and the sooner we come to terms with that reality, the better it would be for us, as the acknowledgement of that truth may itself even lead us to do things differently from them, so as not to end up in the same place as they did, but to truly go to heaven!

And this pains you why?

Anas09:

And this pains you why?

Maybe because it also pains you that it pains me. Because I already asked why but Instead of giving me an answer to my question, you're still asking me why again? Except you're trying to tell me that two whys make one answer!

Why should it bother me that such lies are being told? Well, because I care about the grave eternal consequences of such deceptions!

If all the dead people's souls go to heaven, then why is heaven not aware of them?

Except maybe they when they say heaven they actually means hell!

I just felt this question needed some answers!