Originakalokalo:

Many people are not really concerned about the finances of the church and how it is spent.....

They are just enemies of God in their innermost part. They could not understand the concept of Christianity

and are irritated by the faith of Jesus. They are also jealous of the prosperity of the body of Christ.

Then, they criticise the Church with every opportunity they have and HOPE that people will fall out of the church..

Unfortunately for them, they have achieved nothing and will achieve nothing...

Jesus said. The Gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church....

These people are the gates of hell.

The devil is simply using them to draw away people from the faith and to cut out the means of funding the church . ..

Well, I have a bad news for them...

The alpha and omega has spoken. Who shall annul it?

He has pronounced that the gates of hell shall work in vain... Who can bring his promises to nothing?

They can only try. It will be futile.

The church has come to stay and stay strong.

We will continue to prosper physically and spiritually.


The devil himself tried to kill all the twelve apostles....they finished their works and left hundreds after them.....

Hundreds birthed thousands and millions.

Today, billions have believed and they are saved...

It cannot be stopped. Jesus is Lord.

HappyPagan:


It's my humble opinion that reasoning and logic be taught, before one is allowed to read any of the religious books.

Every message has an audience, and in this verse, the audience is clearly referenced. Do Christians follow Judaism?

Originakalokalo:


I read somewhere that you were Catholic and a seminarian.

Your case is beyond anyone preaching to you....

That's why I don't even try...

Its God that can settle your case ....

Else, you are lost FOREVER.

Yours is Apostasy.

Originakalokalo:


I read somewhere that you were Catholic and a seminarian.

Your case is beyond anyone preaching to you....

That's why I don't even try...

Its God that can settle your case ....

Else, you are lost FOREVER.

Yours is Apostasy.

generationz:

prayers go a long way.

you might end up not being the one to preach to him but your Prayer is powerful enough to facilitate his conversion

BluntBoy:


Billions are saved

Are you using the population of Christians as a conclusive data?

Or are you God to know this much

The problem with many Christians is that you equate church population with the number of the saved.

It is written that narrow is the way to Life and only a few find it but broad is the road to destruction and that is the road that many will find easily.

What is the assurance that the organizations you call churches are not the broad road to destruction?

I strongly believe they are and with good reasons backed by Scriptures.

CAPSLOCKED:


SOME TIME AGO THE PENALTY FOR APOSTASY WAS DEATH BY CRUCIFIXION.

I KIND OF PREFER THE MEDIEVAL "ACTION" CHRISTIANS. TODAY'S FOLKS ARE WEAKLINGS ONLY CAPABLE OF ISSUING EMPTY THREATS ABOUT DEATH AND HELL.



UNCLE USE YOUR PRAYERS TO SAVE A DYING SICKLE CELL CHILD, OR PREVENT THAT RAPIST UNCLE FROM MOLESTING A 10YR OLD GIRL.

YOUR PRAYERS, IF EFFECTIVE WOULD DO WELL TO PREVENT HERDSMEN FROM LEVELING CHRISTIAN TOWNS IN NIGERIA. I DON'T NEED YOUR PRAYERS. THE ONES THAT NEEDED IT ARE ALL DEAD, IN THE CEMETERY.

YOUR PRAYERS ARE POWERLESS. STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF, AND THE LITTLE CHILDREN THAT LOOK UP TO YOU FOR KNOWLEDGE AND MENTORSHIP.

generationz:


first and foremost stop typing in allcaps and all red , it shows how angry and bitter you are

you are not the one to decide if you need my prayers or not.

If I decide that you will become born again and even preach the word here on nairaland oga you will , I can assure

The evil in the world today isn't Gods fault. Adam sold his authority as ruler of the world to the devil when he changed his alliance by disobeying his Creator.

Satan is in charge of the every major sector in the world and as such darkness, chaos and rebellion took control of a once peaceful and beautiful world.

I can assure you that if not for the prayers of a few Christians Nigeria would have become Iraq or Afghanistan.

Trust me, even you as an atheist wouldn't want to live in such a place where everyone is forced to practice one religion or face the death.

Stop being Angry.

I can assure you that there is an answer to whatever it is that led you down this part you are now.

All those questions you asked before becoming atheist definitely have answers to them.

You just have to follow the right channel The bible and the holyspirit.

Any answer beyond that be it church doctrines, traditions , use of fear or force has the tendency to have come from the flesh and his corrupted by human pride, ego and selfish desires.

I started asking questions too as a teenager and though I'm still learning I have found a few answers which I intend to begin to share soon in a new teaching series.

Originakalokalo:



...and we steal ...and there are consequences...

....

HappyPagan:

The malnourished kids are the consequence?


The little kids are innocent.

Originakalokalo:


The money that is meant for feeding those children was stolen by humans.... SAY IT. DON'T BE ASHAMED. THE MONEY HAS BEEN STOLEN BY PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN, AND SERVE YOUR GOD HAHA. AN ATHEIST WOULD NEVER.

While God has made it available, humans steal it.
GOD MAKES MONEY AVAILABLE? HE'S IN CHARGE OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAHAHAHAHAHA OH LORD

CAPSLOCKED:

Originakalokalo:


Since the inception of Christianity, billions have been saved and billions will be saved.

Originakalokalo:


Why did humans disobey a simple law?

Thou shall not steal...

The consequences is that some selected few will have plenty while majority will wallow in poverty.

It is simple.

adelee777:
OP thanks a lot for letting me know the Pharisees were Christians.

OkCornel:


And if we're to go by Abraham's example that means;

1) We are to tithe only once in our lifetime instead of tithing every month
2) Tithe from the booty of war instead of our personal income or possessions
Isn't it?


Besides, I can see you have clearly avoided a question I asked. Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 clearly instructs tithers to eat their tithe in the presence of the Lord...why isn't this preached in most of these Pentecostal churches?

Meekha:




And who told you that Abraham tithed only once?? Because the Bible reported one event does not mean that that's the only occasion of it's occurrence. haba that's a lame way to think!

Do the Jews that tithed only did that with their booties of war?? Tithing means giving a tenth of all ur increase to God which also includes your income, farm produce, anything at all gained!

Meekha:


And who told you that Abraham tithed only once??

Meekha:

Because the Bible reported one event does not mean that that's the only occasion of it's occurrence. haba that's a lame way to think!

Meekha:

Do the Jews that tithed only did that with their booties of war?? Tithing means giving a tenth of all ur increase to God which also includes your income, farm produce, anything at all gained!

Goshen360:


Go and sit down somewhere.....

If the Bible only record Abraham tithing just once....why are you going or insinuating more than what is written?

Product of war are not tithable items under the law so Abraham tithing could not have been what's extended into the law

CAPSLOCKED:


OH THE ASTONISHING EFFECTS OF YOUR PRAYERS FOR A SINFUL ROGUE LIKE ME.

THE GOOD GOD ABOVE MAKES IT TOP AGENDA THAT CAPSLOCKED, BECAUSE OF YOUR PRAYERS, REPENTS FROM IDOL WORSHIPPING TO EMBRACE HIM THE ONLY LIVING GOD,
WHILE ORDINARY MALNUTRITION TAKES ON LITTLE CHILDREN IN NASARAWA STATE.

TRULY, THE LORD WORKS IN VERY MYSTERIOUS WAYS.

generationz:


so , would you blame God who created the world and equipped it with everything in it necessary for mans survival in it?


or would you blame man who couldn't manage that which the Good lord gave him on a platter of gold.

First he sold his authority to Satan

Then he works hand in hand with Satan ( either directly or indirectly ) to cause wars, famine, hunger , diseases, rebellion etc

A father bequeats to his son a vast empire and total control over it and the son wrecks the empire based on bad decisions he made and you blame the father?

clap for yourself

God isn't responsible for all the suffering in the world.
Satan and Man are

Our loving fathers heart bleeds at the the way the imposter(Satan) slave driving his creation.

Ones who were meant to be princes are dying like mere men.

However, even in his love God is just.

The spiritual realm is legalistic in nature.

when Adam sinned he made a pact with Satan to be his ruler and the ruler of his children.

God is just and can't just waltz in and break a legally binding agreement by two parties.
He is all powerful and the creator but he won't interfere in a lawful binding agreement between two parties. That would be UNJUST two one party.



The only way by which such a pact could be broken was if a perfect human (like Adam was ) fulfills all the requirement of the law of living a righteous life .
Jesus fulfilled all the requirements.

Jesus did what Adam couldn't do. He lived and died a perfect man.
But because he was perfect when he died , death couldn't hold him. It had no right to perfect blood. The curse for sin had no power over perfect blood.

So he couldn't stay dead and so he rose from the dead.

while on earth , Jesus also came to teach Gods creation how to walk in the original dominion Adam had before he fell and everything including the waters, wild animals and the earth rebelled against man.

That was how he was able to perform miracles , walk on water, multiply food and feed thousands.

That knowledge and power is still available today for those who seek it.

For us christians living in the world right now, we are in enemy territory.
Remember Satan and his demons took over control when Adam sold his authority. just like book haram took control of sambisa forest and certain northern villages and forced everyone to serve their purposes.

Imagine living in enemy territory and living like a king. Yeah that's the power available to born again Christians who know how to access this power. Some Christians are still living in bondage unfortunately. Bondage of their mind. They are free in Christ but their mind is bound.


For those who aren't born again Christians they may not be able to withstand Satan and his cohorts ( demons and humans ) having a field day with them, Their lives and children.


Prayer works. Very powerful. I'm a living witness to the power multiple times in my life.

Prayer and living a righteous life can change Nigeria, prayer can change the world too

However do not think our common enemy (Satan ) would just sit down and watch. since he controls a lot of things he would fight tooth and nail. He really has nothing to loose. He has lost already . So he would destroy as much as he can before his final defeat and destruction.

It might seem like he has the upper hand because darkness keeps covering the earth.

There is gross darkness, but light will shine through Always.


I'm am reitrating it that if not for the prayers of a few Nigeria would be an Iraq or Afghanistan already

LordOfNaira:



You are reiterating something that you cannot prove. Isn't that rather comical?

I can say if not for America, Nigeria would be an Iraq or Afghanistan already and it would be my word against yours.

I can even say if not for Osun and her priestess, Nigeria would be an Iraq or Afghanistan already

So, you see, anyone can draw up easy conclusions but evidence(s) is what makes it conclusive.

And as a bonus, if prayers have made sure Nigeria did not become like Iraq or Afghanistan, how come prayers have not made Nigeria become as developed as Germany or Japan?

hoopLA:

The last phrase in your post only goes to show you how one-dimensional Christian's in Nigeria are.

A country as big as ours with all the resources it possesses is thankful for prayers keeping it just above the level of Afghanistan.

It's the stup1d nonsense they regurgitate from the garbage spewed by these charlatan pastors. All in a bid to keep the mumu sheeple like that lout you quoted under their spell; under the impression that they are doing something.

Predominatly Atheist, Buddhist, Muslim countries are prospering and attracting all the investments globally while we with the highest number of churches and pastors per capita should be grateful for prayers keeping us just above Afghanistan.

I think the average Nigerian Christian needs to donate his/her brains to science for research, just to see the kind of stupid that resides in our cranial matter. Even then, science would most likely return it because of the high unprecedented levels of Moronism and imbecility rampant in those brain cells because the Nigerian Christian must be a lunatic to even entertain that thought

Originakalokalo:


You are ignorant of spiritual matters.

It is better for you to keep quiet and focus on your carnal way of thinking.

hoopLA:

The last phrase in your post only goes to show you how one-dimensional Christian's in Nigeria are.

A country as big as ours with all the resources it possesses is thankful for prayers keeping it just above the level of Afghanistan.

It's the stup1d nonsense they regurgitate from the garbage spewed by these charlatan pastors. All in a bid to keep the mumu sheeple like that lout you quoted under their spell; under the impression that they are doing something.

Predominatly Atheist, Buddhist, Muslim countries are prospering and attracting all the investments globally while we with the highest number of churches and pastors per capita should be grateful for prayers keeping us just above Afghanistan.

I think the average Nigerian Christian needs to donate his/her brains to science for research, just to see the kind of stupid that resides in our cranial matter. Even then, science would most likely return it because of the high unprecedented levels of Moronism and imbecility rampant in those brain cells because the Nigerian Christian must be a lunatic to even entertain that thought

hoopLA:

And you that is spiritual cannot convince anybody of anything in your so-called field.

You are as shallow as the puddle on the road after a rain shower. AND that is even being generous.
Despite all the hot air you've been blowing you are still yet to convince anybody with your "spiritual wisdom"
I'd rather be ignorant o your"spiritual matters" than be like you because you have no depth and you are as blind as a bat.


But hey whatever makes you sleep at night.

After all mad people think they too are normal.

LordOfNaira:



You are reiterating something that you cannot prove. Isn't that rather comical?

I can say if not for America, Nigeria would be an Iraq or Afghanistan already and it would be my word against yours.

I can even say if not for Osun and her priestess, Nigeria would be an Iraq or Afghanistan already

So, you see, anyone can draw up easy conclusions but evidence(s) is what makes it conclusive.

And as a bonus, if prayers have made sure Nigeria did not become like Iraq or Afghanistan, how come prayers have not made Nigeria become as developed as Germany or Japan?

Meekha:
For those who said that Christ never endorsed tithing well i don't know if you guys read the Bible but i have an answer for you guys.. The verse below shows the stance of Christ

New Living Translation Matthew 23:23
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.


My emphasis is on the last sentence...From the very words of Christ, whoever should tithe MUST not ignore Justice, mercy and faith as they are more important than tithing..But this does not negate the blessedness of tithing seeing that Christ Himself endorsed it in the above verse. Now this is the words of Jesus Himself.. and not that of any apostle or prophet..
So Freez's disciples, have you not come across any verse like this

Over to you!

Originakalokalo:



OK then.

Remain in your ignorance.

Peace.

generationz:


simple answer THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTRY

God can only do as much as the people allow him to do. The earth is our jurisdiction and he can't just force his ways on us.
That's why we say : let your will be done
That's why for every plan of redemption , he needed a human or humans to carry it out
Noah
Moses
Samason
David
Samuel
Solomon
Daniel
Jesus Christ , the apostles and so on.


Prayers will be limited by the joint of actions of the people .

Africans are generally selfish

Even before Christianity was introduced our forefathers gladly sold those whom they saw as lower (slaves) to the white man for mirrors etc

Even African Americans have the same attitude towards each other.

We hurt ourselves, destroy howselves and play the victim

look at yahoo boys ruining our image in the international community. when you ask them why they do this their response is ' the white man took from us years back so we have a right to take their money by crook'

isn't that stupid?

you make someone a victim (steal their life savings ) and play the victim

Isn't it the same major scam our leaders are playing with us.


When the people are bad and seal up their conscience to do evil catastrophe, chaos, sufferings etc are the only things that will reign whether they are largely Christians or Jews

You can google how Jerusalem was first destroyed and the Jews exiled to Babylon due to an increase in evil despite being GODS PEOPLE

You see Nigeria is filled with a lot of bad people especially in the elms of affairs.

These people in their quest for power are ready to do anything to get there.
These people join cults
All the cults in the world are tied to the devil
The devil came to steal, kill and destroy

so what does he do?

He tells them in other to get to the position they want to they must make human sacrifices .

There is nothing that clogs the spiritual atmosphere and hinders cities and nations access to God like an increase in human sacrifices in that land.

The spiritual atmosphere of this country is clogged my brother
There are sooo many wicked people in this country from the average yahoo boy on the streets to the average CEO to the average politician



So money mad, so power hungry.

darkness is so Much in the land.

people are ready to do anything for money


My dear , have you ever seen a fish trying to swim against the tide or a bird trying to fly against the wind? if you haven't try goggle the video and watch.


That's the life of an average christian in a place where darkness reigns. Its also the way it seems when you think our prayers don't work but they do.


When a people have the right values and their leaders are concerned about their citizens the country will thrive whether or not they are bhuddist, Christians , Jews etc

However I'll implore you and everyone reading this not to be fooled by the seeming prosperity the UAE, China, Japan , etc



There is nothing new under the sun

Egypt
Assyrian
The Hittite nation
tyre and Sidon
Greece
Babylon
Persia
The roman empire
and so on
All those countries where not only the most prosperous, they were more organized and had standard military forces. They were much more technologically advanced and as such were world powers at some point in time.

At some time some these nations even oppressed 'Gods people' and took military, economic and political control of them


I would like to ask you and you answer me, where are these empires today?

Where are these civilizations today?

Egypt has lost its glory
Greece is in financial trouble
The rest don't even exist anymore



on the other hand


a city that had been fought over sixteen times in its history. During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.

Let's not forget how Jews over the years have been slaughtered by Muslim jihadists and were the prime targets of the Holocaust

How thess people still manage to rise to being world power is still a mystery
how Jews and their descendants have won more Nobel prizes than any other people is a mystery
25% of american billionaires have Jewish origin and Jews make up 2% of Americas population.

Maybe its not a mystery
maybe its just one word

COVENANT

Abraham's covenant with the creator of heaven , earth and the whole universe made it possible for his offsprings never to be wiped out from the earth and still reign.