hoopLA:

Eyah.

When block heads think they have something to the world but they actually nothing better than old cymbals.

After all your long incoherent rant, this is all you have to tell me?

You are qualified only for the asylum. It's only in Nigeria that they let insane fols like you lose on cyberspace.

Mr Spiritually discerning.

You Christian lot have a lot to do to convince people that Jesus actually paid a price worthy of imbeciles like you. You come here all haughty and arrogant but you have nothing in your heads except the vapors from those brainwashing centers you call churches.

I am done with you.

What lives in you is different from who lives in me.



Peace.

hoopLA:

Abeg leave story for tortoise.

Look at this balderdash.incoherent and all over the place.

All this long talk to tell us why Buddhist and Muslim and atheist countries are doing better than a country with more churches than factories and more pastors than lecturers.

If I call you deranged you will start shouting like a cat on a hit ton roof.

You are not the first and won't be the last to call christians that so don't flatter yourself.


It isn't pastors fault that your government WHOM YOU PAY YOUR TAXES TO have failed you.

Originakalokalo:


I am done with you.

What lives in you is different from who lives in me.



Peace.

It is evident in the way he speaks.

generationz:


simple answer THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE COUNTRY

God can only do as much as the people allow him to do. The earth is our jurisdiction and he can't just force his ways on us.
That's why we say : let your will be done
That's why for every plan of redemption , he needed a human or humans to carry it out
Noah
Moses
Samason
David
Samuel
Solomon
Daniel
Jesus Christ , the apostles and so on.


Prayers will be limited by the joint of actions of the people .

Africans are generally selfish

Even before Christianity was introduced our forefathers gladly sold those whom they saw as lower (slaves) to the white man for mirrors etc

Even African Americans have the same attitude towards each other.

We hurt ourselves, destroy howselves and play the victim

look at yahoo boys ruining our image in the international community. when you ask them why they do this their response is ' the white man took from us years back so we have a right to take their money by crook'

isn't that stupid?

you make someone a victim (steal their life savings ) and play the victim

Isn't it the same major scam our leaders are playing with us.


When the people are bad and seal up their conscience to do evil catastrophe, chaos, sufferings etc are the only things that will reign whether they are largely Christians or Jews

You can google how Jerusalem was first destroyed and the Jews exiled to Babylon due to an increase in evil despite being GODS PEOPLE

You see Nigeria is filled with a lot of bad people especially in the elms of affairs.

These people in their quest for power are ready to do anything to get there.
These people join cults
All the cults in the world are tied to the devil
The devil came to steal, kill and destroy

so what does he do?

He tells them in other to get to the position they want to they must make human sacrifices .

There is nothing that clogs the spiritual atmosphere and hinders cities and nations access to God like an increase in human sacrifices in that land.

The spiritual atmosphere of this country is clogged my brother
There are sooo many wicked people in this country from the average yahoo boy on the streets to the average CEO to the average politician



So money mad, so power hungry.

darkness is so Much in the land.

people are ready to do anything for money


My dear , have you ever seen a fish trying to swim against the tide or a bird trying to fly against the wind? if you haven't try goggle the video and watch.


That's the life of an average christian in a place where darkness reigns. Its also the way it seems when you think our prayers don't work but they do.


When a people have the right values and their leaders are concerned about their citizens the country will thrive whether or not they are bhuddist, Christians , Jews etc

However I'll implore you and everyone reading this not to be fooled by the seeming prosperity the UAE, China, Japan , etc



There is nothing new under the sun

Egypt
Assyrian
The Hittite nation
tyre and Sidon
Greece
Babylon
Persia
The roman empire
and so on
All those countries where not only the most prosperous, they were more organized and had standard military forces. They were much more technologically advanced and as such were world powers at some point in time.

At some time some these nations even oppressed 'Gods people' and took military, economic and political control of them


I would like to ask you and you answer me, where are these empires today?

Where are these civilizations today?

Egypt has lost its glory
Greece is in financial trouble
The rest don't even exist anymore



on the other hand


a city that had been fought over sixteen times in its history. During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times.

Let's not forget how Jews over the years have been slaughtered by Muslim jihadists and were the prime targets of the Holocaust

How thess people still manage to rise to being world power is still a mystery
how Jews and their descendants have won more Nobel prizes than any other people is a mystery
25% of american billionaires have Jewish origin and Jews make up 2% of Americas population.

Maybe its not a mystery
maybe its just one word

COVENANT

Abraham's covenant with the creator of heaven , earth and the whole universe made it possible for his offsprings never to be wiped out from the earth and still reign.

When there is peace, you say it is due to the prayers of a few.

When there is war, you say it is due to the people within the country.

My sister, can't you see the fault in your argument?

There are thousands of soldiers and medics and logistics put out there in Bornu ensuring that the whole country is not overridden by insurgents (and becoming like Afghanistan) but you would rather overlook their sacrifices and give honor to the prayers of a few nameless people.

Nigeria is better than Afghanistan because of prayers but when it behoves you to make a case for our underdevelopment, you blame it on people.

If people can take the blames for underdevelopment, why can't they take the praise for Nigeria being ahead of Afghanistan?

LordOfNaira:



When there is peace, you say it is due to the prayers of a few.

When there is war, you say it is due to the people within the country.

My sister, can't you see the fault in your argument?

There are thousands of soldiers and medics and logistics put out there in Bornu ensuring that the whole country is not overridden by insurgents (and becoming like Afghanistan) but you would rather overlook their sacrifices and give honor to the prayers of a few nameless people.

Nigeria is better than Afghanistan because of prayers but when it behoves you to make a case for our underdevelopment, you blame it on people.

If people can take the blames for underdevelopment, why can't they take the praise for Nigeria being ahead of Afghanistan?

" (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it:

except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."
(Psalms 127: 1)

Except God watches the city the soldiers are doing it in vain.

LordOfNaira:



When there is peace, you say it is due to the prayers of a few.

When there is war, you say it is due to the people within the country.

My sister, can't you see the fault in your argument?

There are thousands of soldiers and medics and logistics put out there in Bornu ensuring that the whole country is not overridden by insurgents (and becoming like Afghanistan) but you would rather overlook their sacrifices and give honor to the prayers of a few nameless people.

Nigeria is better than Afghanistan because of prayers but when it behoves you to make a case for our underdevelopment, you blame it on people.

If people can take the blames for underdevelopment, why can't they take the praise for Nigeria being ahead of Afghanistan?

of course we give credit to our military, doctors, and even citizens who succeed in the fight against insurgency . why not

But when we pray for peace in that prayer is
1 prayer for wisdom for our leaders to make the right decisions

2 prayers for confusion in the camp of the enemy
3 prayers for strength to continue in the fight .


and so on


I think you should reread my comments

I never said only prayers makes things better.
when man prays God by working with people. Also by working on the minds of certain people.

So prayers work with people evil also works with people
but when those perpetrating evil are so much more and a hundred time more than those doing good and even a thousand times more than those praying then it will seem as if nothing is happening.

There is a big picture to everything going on in the world right now.

The Antichrist is about to be revealed is the power behind every major terrorist group in the world is the power behind the Antichrist.

OkCornel:


When Jesus mentioned this to the Pharisees...did it occur to you that...

1) He had not fulfilled the Law at that point in time...

2) Animal sacrifices were still ongoing at the temple...

Now that the Law is fulfilled... are Christians mandated to tithe?

Other questions for you...

Was it on record that gentiles like Ruth, Job or Cyrus tithed?

Where in the Bible did God request tithe to be paid MONETARILY?

Tithers are required to eat their tithe in the presence of the Lord as per Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29... why isn't this preached in the church?


Note: That I and some others share the same views on Freeze concerning tithing doesn't necessarily make us his disciples... cheers

So judgement mercy and faith are no longer needed?

OkCornel:


Ogbeni... please show us where the aforementioned gentiles tithed and stop assuming to fill in the gaps...


Now are you aware that not even all the Jews gave tithes? Only farmers and livestock owners tithed.

By the way, please we are still waiting for your evidence of where gentiles gave tithes, or where God mandated gentiles to also give tithes.

In my subsequent posts, I will show you how God mandated tithing to be done...then you'll see if what these Pentecostal fraudsters are doing today in anyway aligns with such!

The bible is a book of analogies. The Isrealites signify the born again.

Originakalokalo:


" (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it:

except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."
(Psalms 127: 1)

Except God watches the city the soldiers are doing it in vain.

So, God must be in Japan and not in Nigeria. Because, in spite of being so religious, it appears like we are laboring in vain. For how can you explain that we pray for electricity and all our effort to provide uninterrupted power supply has failed over the years.

However, Japan that is largely irreligious seems to be enjoying the fruits of their labor.

generationz:


of course we give credit to our military, doctors, and even citizens who succeed in the fight against insurgency . why not

But when we pray for peace in that prayer is
1 prayer for wisdom for our leaders to make the right decisions

2 prayers for confusion in the camp of the enemy
3 prayers for strength to continue in the fight .


and so on


I think you should reread my comments

I never said only prayers makes things better.
when man prays God by working with people. Also by working on the minds of certain people.

So prayers work with people evil also works with people
but when those perpetrating evil are so much more and a hundred time more than those doing good and even a thousand times more than those praying then it will seem as if nothing is happening.

There is a big picture to everything going on in the world right now.

The Antichrist is about to be revealed is the power behind every major terrorist group in the world is the power behind the Antichrist.

How do you manage to reply with epistles

Anyway, I don't agree with your posts one bit. Your argument has a lot of holes and it is not convincing at all.

However, I like you because you don't seem like the rest of the Nigerian Christians that I have had a chat with here.

LordOfNaira:


So, God must be in Japan and not in Nigeria. Because, in spite of being so religious, it appears like we are laboring in vain. For how can you explain that we pray for electricity and all our effort to provide uninterrupted power supply has failed over the years.

However, Japan that is largely irreligious seems to be enjoying the fruits of their labor.

While Jerusalem and Judah was busy sinning, Babylon was getting stronger and the king was winning wars.

This is because Babylon would be used by God in the scheme of things. God was backing the king up...

That does not mean that God approved of Babylon.

God is in charge of the events of the world..kingdoms are erected and pulled down....

Countries blossom financially and in military might, safety and prosperity.
.
Presidents are set up and removed.

All events are in the scheme of things... All in God's hands.

If God doesn't protect a nation, that nation is not protected.

Meekha:


Pls permit me to believe that you didn't see my posts clearly..I [b]brought to table the fact that Abraham tithed and he wasn't a Jew let [/b]alone being a Pharisee and you turned a blind eye.. That's my evidence sir.. Abraham the Father of us all who we are supposed to emulate did it and I think that it's serious wisdom to do what you see your father doing esp if it's something good!!

Pls sir, did God command Abraham to tithe before he did Pls open your Bible and show me..

Show me also where the gentiles who converted to Judaism was mandated by God Almighty not to tithe...If you can answer these questions honestly then you'll see the need to go back to your Bible and study more..After all wisdom is justified by her children

The bolded! So, Abraham was never a Jew?!

Lukuluku69:


The bolded! So, Abraham was never a Jew?!

He wasn't.. The ancient state of Israel started with Jacob who was the grandchild of Abraham whose second name (the one given to him by the angel of the Lord whom he fought with) is Israel.. Meaning that Israel traced it's origin from Jacob whose twelve sons also eventually became the twelve tribes of Israel...so it's correct to say that Abraham is an ancestor of the Jewish people but he is not a Jew.

Meekha:


He wasn't.. The ancient state of Israel started with Jacob who was the grandchild of Abraham whose second name (the one given to him by the angel of the Lord whom he fought with) is Israel.. Meaning that Israel traced it's origin from Jacob whose twelve sons also eventually became the twelve tribes of Israel...so it's correct to say that Abraham is an ancestor of the Jewish people but he is not a Jew.

Thanks for your response. You are the first Christian to publicly admit (on Nairaland) at least. Nice one though. That is exactly what the Quran says his Abraham was never a Jew nor Christian.

Lukuluku69:


Thanks for your response. You are the first Christian to publicly admit (on Nairaland) at least. Nice one though. That is exactly what the Quran says his Abraham was never a Jew nor Christian.

You are welcome bro..But also be well informed that Abraham served the God of the Jews which is why God told him that He will make his name great and multiply his offsprings which talks of the Israelis and the Arab world .. To this end, I acknowledge even as backed up by the Scriptures that Abraham was not a Christian or was he under the Jewish religion but also He is not a Muslim seeing that Islam came thousands of years after Abraham existed..

LordOfNaira:


How do you manage to reply with epistles

Anyway, I don't agree with your posts one bit. Your argument has a lot of holes and it is not convincing at all.

However, I like you because you don't seem like the rest of the Nigerian Christians that I have had a chat with here.

long replies help to understand better.

don't worry you'll understand better someday it takes jus one encounter with God - like apostle Paul

take care

CodeTemplar:
So judgement mercy and faith are no longer needed?

Good question! Now let us look at Matthew 23 v 23 in context!

Matthew 23:23 New International Version (NIV)
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Now look at the bolded part of the verse. Jesus addressed it to the Pharisees who were the custodians and executors of the Mosaic Law...

1) As a Christian, do you need to consider the Mosaic Law before showing Justice, Mercy and Faithfulness?

2) Why do the pro-tithers conveniently ignore the fact that Jesus was making reference to tithing as mandated in the Mosaic Law (Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29)?

3) Does the tithing practiced in church today bear any semblance to what was practiced in the Mosaic Law?

3) If we are to argue that tithing existed before the Law using Abraham as an example... did Abraham tithe from his income/possession every month?

4) Hope you know Jesus was validating the Mosaic Law in Matthew 23 v 23; so therefore, are you

(a) Keeping tassels at the corners of your garment? Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12
(b) Not shaving your beards?
(c) Not wearing clothes with mixed material? Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12

CodeTemplar:
The bible is a book of analogies. The Isrealites signify the born again.

Don't bring gnostic interpretations into the scriptures abeg...

Where in the bible is it written that gentile born again christians are Israelites?

generationz:

long replies help to understand better.

don't worry you'll understand better someday it takes jus one encounter with God - like apostle Paul

take care

Anyway, I hope to encounter God today.

Take care of yourself.

Madam generationz do you know that this year alone, more people have been killed in Nigeria than Afghanistan and Iran combined? Did you know Nigeria is the POOREST nation on earth?

Do you know that suicide is higher in Nigeria than Britain?!

Do you know that over 1million Nigerian kids go to bed hungry?!

So tell us a again how your prayers are keeping this country.

Don't mind them, they just come online to regurgitate whatever their pastard tells them.

In their minds Nigerians are living quality lives.

LordOfNaira:


So, God must be in Japan and not in Nigeria. Because, in spite of being so religious, it appears like we are laboring in vain. For how can you explain that we pray for electricity and all our effort to provide uninterrupted power supply has failed over the years.

However, Japan that is largely irreligious seems to be enjoying the fruits of their labor.

spongeisback:
Madam generationz do you know that this year alone, more people have been killed in Nigeria than Afghanistan and Iran combined? Did you know Nigeria is the POOREST nation on earth?

Do you know that suicide is higher in Nigeria than Britain?!

Do you know that over 1million Nigerian kids go to bed hungry?!

So tell us a again how your prayers are keeping this country.

beyond that

generationz:

beyond that

Please can you enlighten me.