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This religion called muslims are confused, their believe is contaplating, they dont have their stand. If Qoran made such reference about Jesus, why are they behaving so nayvied, why wount they become christains. And stop this massaccar...

Anas09:
You are talking plenty and it's irrelevant. Now, can you please post this Passage so that both of us can peruse it together?

Pls, lets have it.

Here it is Solomon 5:16:
חִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ "מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים" זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָֽם

The roman criminals translated his name:
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is "my beloved", this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.

my beloved-מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים

Translate this word using google translate or any thing you want, be open minded and logical:
מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים



read this up https://www.quora.com/Does-the-song-of-Solomon-5-16-predict-the-coming-of-Muhammad

dayborlee:
Do you have d jew bible or have u seen it been translated. Let me give you a hint. Dere is a place in the bible where Jesus predicted a messiah who would serve as saviour of d world. Who do you think d person is?

It’s available online. Like everything else. Figures you can’t give me a source of something that doesn’t exist. Just link it here and I’ll look it up. Straw man arguments aren’t going to fly here friend.

SlaveryWorks:
It’s available online. Like everything else. Figures you can’t give me a source of something that doesn’t exist. Just link it here and I’ll look it up. Straw man arguments aren’t going to fly here friend.

najib632:
Muhammad S.A.W. was an illiterate he didn't know how to read or write. There's no one who can ever make anything close to the magnificence of the Glorious Qur'an, it was revealed to him through angel Gabriel.

Isam is a scam

if Muhammad can't read was he deaf ?
you called someone that had been travelled to another country illiterate ?

Ayomivic:
Isam is a scam

if Muhammad can't read was he deaf ?
you called someone that had been travelled to another country illiterate ?

So an Illitrate cannot travel? Please don't quote me again your ignorance is too just too severe for me to handle.

Anas09:
When did this conversation take place, in the spirit or when Jesus was alive? because He had gone to Heaven 600 yrs before Muhammad the author of the koran was born.

When Jesus lived, there was no Islam, so who recorded this convoy and waited for Muhammad to start islam?

Nonsense.

u hv sense...

dayborlee:
A real muslim beleives in Jesus because we were commanded to do so. But i don't know why chrisiastians wuld neva believe there was someone called Mohammed(pbuh). Do you Muhammed was mentioned in the jew bible? Bible of today have been pirated into different versions. May God lead unto the right path.

This is because Islamic Jesus is the spiderman Jesus who never existed except in the deluded mind of the Islamic prophet (peace be upon my late mum).

najib632:
Go and read the last verse in songs of Solomon in Hebrew then come back and repeat this.

You mean in the Hebrew words Mak-ma-den is Mohammed? The same way Akbar in Hebrew means mouth. Unless you wanna tell me that 'Allahu Akbar' is an Hebrew word meaning 'Allah is mouth'. The Japanese and the Igbos answer chinze but with different meaning. Stop this childish argument like Dr. Zakir Naik.

najib632:
Muhammad S.A.W. was an illiterate he didn't know how to read or write. There's no one who can ever make anything close to the magnificence of the Glorious Qur'an, it was revealed to him through angel Gabriel.

Exactly what you have been told repeatedly in your mosque by your sheikh or imam. You are just like reciting 'A for apple', 'B for ball' and 'C for cat'. It is not a response from an imaginative mind.

How do you know that Mohammed was an illiterate? The hadith and the sirah said so.

Do you believe in all the hadith and the sirah? No. Why? Because some hadith are not authentic and were fabricated while some sirah are the handiwork of the Jews to portray Islam as bad.

How is Qur'an so magnificent? My Imam told me but I have not done any critical analysis of the text to valid the claim.

Islam 101 for beginners.

SlaveryWorks:
It’s available online. Like everything else. Figures you can’t give me a source of something that doesn’t exist. Just link it here and I’ll look it up. Straw man arguments aren’t going to fly here friend.

"Online" and u sure it has not been pirated and have re-write according to their taste

true2god:
You mean in the Hebrew words Mak-ma-den is Mohammed? The same way Akbar in Hebrew means mouth. Unless you wanna tell me that 'Allahu Akbar' is an Hebrew word meaning 'Allah is mouth'. The Japanese and the Igbos answer chinze but with different meaning. Stop this childish argument like Dr. Zakir Naik.

Please quote me with reference or fact, don't you have internet? Or just a simple logic Hebrew and Arabic are semetic languages and many word are similar, please if you can't quote me with fact or reference to something from an authentic source live me alone

true2god:
Exactly what you have been told repeatedly in your mosque by your sheikh or imam. You are just like reciting 'A for apple', 'B for ball' and 'C for cat'. It is not a response from an imaginative mind.

How do you know that Mohammed was an illiterate? The hadith and the sirah said so.

Do you believe in all the hadith and the sirah? No. Why? Because some hadith are not authentic and were fabricated while some sirah are the handiwork of the Jews to portray Islam as bad.

Hahaha... the first revelation to prophet Muhammad S.A.W is the most convincing evidence I need. And bro... You don't know the kind of effort scholars have put in protecting the hadith let's not dive too deep because that will require a university degree, let me state in brief to you how hadith are classified,

1. Sahih - transmitted through an unbroken chain of narrators all of whom are of sound character and memory. Such a hadith should not clash with a more reliable report and must not suffer from any other hidden defect.

2. Ḥasan - transmitted through an unbroken chain of narrators all of whom are of sound character but weak memory. This hadith should not clash with a more reliable report and must not suffer from any other hidden defect.

3. Ḍaʻīf - which cannot gain the status of hasan because it lacks one or more elements of a hasan hadith. (For example, if the narrator is not of sound memory and sound character, or if there is a hidden fault in the narrative or if the chain of narrators is broken).

4. Mawḍūʻ - fabricated and wrongly ascribed to Muhammad S.A.W.

5. Maqlūb - It is that hadith, in two different narrations of which the names of narrators have been changed.

I am aspiring to become a scholar and by the grace of Allah, a solid fundamental knowledge is ok for factless people on nairaland.

true2god:
How is Qur'an so magnificent? My Imam told me but I have not done any critical analysis of the text to valid the claim.

Islam 101 for beginners.

Hahaha... And you think I will be defending I will be defending something I don't have total confidence in.

dayborlee:
"Online" and u sure it has not been pirated and have re-write according to their taste

[quote author=dayborlee post=74045684]Either it has the verse or it doesn’t. Since there still isn’t a link I don’t believe there is one to begin with. Should be easy to prove me wrong, right?

[quote author=SlaveryWorks post=74064691][/quote]Woss go and sit down over there

dayborlee:
Woss go and sit down over there

Look at you, all internet tough guy and shit. Your mother must be proud that her child goes on the internet and lies. Keep trying, you’ll get better at it. Lol.

najib632:
Here it is Solomon 5:16:
חִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ "מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים" זֶ֤ה דוֹדִי֙ וְזֶ֣ה רֵעִ֔י בְּנ֖וֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָֽם

The roman criminals translated his name:
His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is "my beloved", this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem.

my beloved-מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים

Translate this word using google translate or any thing you want, be open minded and logical:
מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים



read this up https://www.quora.com/Does-the-song-of-Solomon-5-16-predict-the-coming-of-Muhammad

Hahahahahahahaha. Oh Muslim. You are so deceived to believe Muhamad is in the same Bible you call fabricated and changed. Why you don't quote from the original version beats me.

Now here it is. Reading from verse 1 to the end gives you a clear pictures of what verse 16 is saying.

It is an exchange between two lovers, a man and his lover. It's a song.

[b]The Man

1I went to my garden, dear friend, best lover! breathed the sweet fragrance.

I ate the fruit and honey,

I drank the nectar and wine.

Celebrate with me, friends!

Raise your glasses—"To life! To love!"

The Woman

2I was sound asleep, but in my dreams I was wide awake.

Oh, listen! It's the sound of my lover knocking, calling!

The Man

"Let me in, dear companion, dearest friend,

my dove, consummate lover!

I'm soaked with the dampness of the night,

drenched with dew, shivering and cold."

The Woman

3"But I'm in my nightgown—do you expect me to get dressed?

I'm bathed and in bed—do you want me to get dirty?"

4-7But my lover wouldn't take no for an answer,

and the longer he knocked, the more excited I became.

I got up to open the door to my lover,

sweetly ready to receive him,

Desiring and expectant

as I turned the door handle.

But when I opened the door he was gone.

My loved one had tired of waiting and left.

And I died inside—oh, I felt so bad!

I ran out looking for him

But he was nowhere to be found.

I called into the darkness—but no answer.

The night watchmen found me

as they patrolled the streets of the city.

They slapped and beat and bruised me,

ripping off my clothes,

These watchmen,

who were supposed to be guarding the city.

8I beg you, sisters in Jerusalem—

if you find my lover,

Please tell him I want him,

that I'm heartsick with love for him.

9What's so great about your lover, fair lady?

What's so special about him that you beg for our help?

The Woman

10-16My dear lover glows with health—

red-blooded, radiant!

He's one in a million.

There's no one quite like him!

My golden one, pure and untarnished,

with raven black curls tumbling across his shoulders.

His eyes are like doves, soft and bright,

but deep-set, brimming with meaning, like wells of water.

His face is rugged, his beard smells like sage,

His voice, his words, warm and reassuring.

Fine muscles ripple beneath his skin,

quiet and beautiful.

His torso is the work of a sculptor,

hard and smooth as ivory.

He stands tall, like a cedar,

strong and deep-rooted,

A rugged mountain of a man,

aromatic with wood and stone.

His words are kisses, his kisses words.

Everything about him delights me, thrills me

through and through!

That's my lover, that's my man,

dear Jerusalem sisters.[/b]

So, na who and Muhamad dey sing dis love song? Na Aisha or Zeinab, his sons wife he snatched?

Hahahahahahaha. Funny how a thief stands with what he stole yet point at another person shouting 'Thief, thief'.




The Chorus

Anas09:
Hahahahahahahaha. Oh Muslim. You are so deceived to believe Muhamad is in the same Bible you call fabricated and changed. Why you don't quote from the original version beats me.

Now here it is. Reading from verse 1 to the end gives you a clear pictures of what verse 16 is saying.

It is an exchange between two lovers, a man and his lover. It's a song.

[b]The Man

1I went to my garden, dear friend, best lover! breathed the sweet fragrance.

I ate the fruit and honey,

I drank the nectar and wine.

Celebrate with me, friends!

Raise your glasses—"To life! To love!"

The Woman

2I was sound asleep, but in my dreams I was wide awake.

Oh, listen! It's the sound of my lover knocking, calling!

The Man

"Let me in, dear companion, dearest friend,

my dove, consummate lover!

I'm soaked with the dampness of the night,

drenched with dew, shivering and cold."

The Woman

3"But I'm in my nightgown—do you expect me to get dressed?

I'm bathed and in bed—do you want me to get dirty?"

4-7But my lover wouldn't take no for an answer,

and the longer he knocked, the more excited I became.

I got up to open the door to my lover,

sweetly ready to receive him,

Desiring and expectant

as I turned the door handle.

But when I opened the door he was gone.

My loved one had tired of waiting and left.

And I died inside—oh, I felt so bad!

I ran out looking for him

But he was nowhere to be found.

I called into the darkness—but no answer.

The night watchmen found me

as they patrolled the streets of the city.

They slapped and beat and bruised me,

ripping off my clothes,

These watchmen,

who were supposed to be guarding the city.

8I beg you, sisters in Jerusalem—

if you find my lover,

Please tell him I want him,

that I'm heartsick with love for him.

9What's so great about your lover, fair lady?

What's so special about him that you beg for our help?

The Woman

10-16My dear lover glows with health—

red-blooded, radiant!

He's one in a million.

There's no one quite like him!

My golden one, pure and untarnished,

with raven black curls tumbling across his shoulders.

His eyes are like doves, soft and bright,

but deep-set, brimming with meaning, like wells of water.

His face is rugged, his beard smells like sage,

His voice, his words, warm and reassuring.

Fine muscles ripple beneath his skin,

quiet and beautiful.

His torso is the work of a sculptor,

hard and smooth as ivory.

He stands tall, like a cedar,

strong and deep-rooted,

A rugged mountain of a man,

aromatic with wood and stone.

His words are kisses, his kisses words.

Everything about him delights me, thrills me

through and through!

That's my lover, that's my man,

dear Jerusalem sisters.[/b]

So, na who and Muhamad dey sing dis love song? Na Aisha or Zeinab, his sons wife he snatched?

Hahahahahahaha. Funny how a thief stands with what he stole yet point at another person shouting 'Thief, thief'.




The Chorus

This Christians leaders have truly corrupted your books , the certainly the word of Allah is true, I don't know which chapter is that but for I don't think it's Solomon 5.
Don't get cocky yet read it here:

Song of Solomon 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.

2 I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.

3 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?

4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.

5 I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.

7 The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.

8 I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love.

9 What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us?

10 My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

11 His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.

12 His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.

13 His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.

14 His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.

15 His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.

16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

King James Version (KJV)

I still have another sword to pull out against you and that's Isiah

najib632:
This Christians leaders have truly corrupted your books , the certainly the word of Allah is true, I don't know which chapter is that but for I don't think it's Solomon 5.
Don't get cocky yet read it here:

Song of Solomon 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.

2 I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.

3 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?

4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.

5 I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had withdrawn himself, and was gone: my soul failed when he spake: I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.

7 The watchmen that went about the city found me, they smote me, they wounded me; the keepers of the walls took away my veil from me.

8 I charge you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if ye find my beloved, that ye tell him, that I am sick of love.

9 What is thy beloved more than another beloved, O thou fairest among women? what is thy beloved more than another beloved, that thou dost so charge us?

10 My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

11 His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.

12 His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set.

13 His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh.

14 His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.

15 His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.

16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

King James Version (KJV)

I still have another sword to pull out against you and that's Isiah

That is the Message Bible. It is written in a plain and simple language so that lay men can read and understand. Lolzzzzzzz. and you couldn't even see tthat KJV says the same thing with The Message Bible.

Mr Muslim. Maybe you shd post from your copy which is not corrupted by my Christian leaders. because, the KJV you posted still projects two personas talking. Which is Muhammed and who is the other person?


Open your eyes oo.

Anas09:
That is the Message Bible. It is written in a plain and simple language so that lay men can read and understand. Lolzzzzzzz. and you couldn't even see tthat KJV says the same thing with The Message Bible.

Mr Muslim. Maybe you shd post from your copy which is not corrupted by my Christian leaders. because, the KJV you posted still projects two personas talking. Which is Muhammed and who is the other person?


Open your eyes oo.

I don't know but maybe you don't understand what I am telling you, that translation is far away from the KJV and that's just it. I don't want a simple translation I want the one written in language of Jesus A.S. And KJV is the closest thing to it, even though it's still corrupted, stop bullshiting yourself I am not here to argue with you I have done my part, it's left to you.

Dude, you need to sit down, be humble and educate yourself. Do you know that the Bible is the most historically accurate document of all time?

Before you bash something, you must first need to do a careful and thorough research on it, so that you don't go sounding like fool.

Now if you must know, there's been lots of archeological discoveries which has proven the authenticity of the Bible. Of course people like you will only debunk them without careful observations while coming online to form keyboard warriors.

HenryDion:
[s][/s]

You made absolutely no sense which is very fine. I wasn't expecting much from a Muslim anyway. What religion does is take you brain, then replace it with a book that was poorly written.

Have fun..

Look at this one.... Done which part?
Hahahahahahahahaha. You Muslims are their pathetic. Looking for validation from a book you so claim is pirated and devoid of authenticity. So where is the Muhammad in all your long quote? Lmao. Truly you guys are inbred and indeed borderline retard.ed otherwise how else can someone be so easily deceived?

najib632:
I don't know but maybe you don't understand what I am telling you, that translation is far away from the KJV and that's just it. I don't want a simple translation I want the one written in language of Jesus A.S. And KJV is the closest thing to it, even though it's still corrupted, stop bullshiting yourself I am not here to argue with you I have done my part, it's left to you.

Omudia11:
Look at this one.... Done which part?
Hahahahahahahahaha. You Muslims are their pathetic. Looking for validation from a book you so claim is pirated and devoid of authenticity. So where is the Muhammad in all your long quote? Lmao. Truly you guys are inbred and indeed borderline retard.ed otherwise how else can someone be so easily deceived?

am sorry but it seems you are not even understanding and your brain no de charge o:

16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

my beloved-מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים

Omudia11:
Look at this one.... Done which part?
Hahahahahahahahaha. You Muslims are their pathetic. Looking for validation from a book you so claim is pirated and devoid of authenticity. So where is the Muhammad in all your long quote? Lmao. Truly you guys are inbred and indeed borderline retard.ed otherwise how else can someone be so easily deceived?

am sorry but it seems you are not even understanding and your brain no de charge o:

16 His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is "my beloved", and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
My beloved(your popes translated it I don't know who asked them) - מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים - Muhammadim - محمديم

Omudia11:
Dude, you need to sit down, be humble and educate yourself. Do you know that the Bible is the most historically accurate document of all time?

Before you bash something, you must first need to do a careful and thorough research on it, so that you don't go sounding like fool.

Now if you must know, there's been lots of archeological discoveries which has proven the authenticity of the Bible. Of course people like you will only debunk them without careful observations while coming online to form keyboard warriors.

Help me with the so called archeological discoveries

najib632:
You Christians are funny, Jesus A.S. himself is a Jew and he spoke Hebrew, All the bibles are corrupted, Christian scholars don't usually tell their followers what's in the bible but their own opinion, I would rather study Judaism than Christianity because it's filled up with Roman garbage, even Jesus A.S. So called birth' s has it's origins from pagan Rome. You have been scammed by the Romans, if you think I am lying then I dare you to look up Sheikh Yusuf Eistes who was a former Christian scholar, you might try to talk about an Imam that became a Christian but it's all a lie because anyone that lives Islam is out of ignorance or rebellious to Allah, while anyone that lives Christianity is out humbleness and truthfulness.

Are these what your imam teaches you?. The only name similar in the bible and Koran is Ishmael. The rest you try to point out is not in the bible but probably your Koran

asuustrike1:
Are these what your imam teaches you?. The only name similar in the bible and Koran is Ishmael. The rest you try to point out is not in the bible but probably your Koran

Jesus A.S. was a Hebrews that's a fact bruh the 12 disciples are all Hebrew, Look I can't even have a good argument with you if you're ignorant of Islam.