alBHAGDADI:


Is firstfruits a practice under the law of Moses? No.

Firstfruit giving had been in existence right before Moses and even Abraham were born. Abel gave firstfruit and he wasn't under the law. In the book of Proverbs, Solomon said we should honor God with our firstfruits, and he didn't say the commandment was under the law.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

The above is for those who believe it. If you don't believe in it, why go ahead trying to dissuade people from obeying the word of God?

1) And how exactly does "first fruit" translate into first salary and wages for the year?

2) Are there biblical examples that shows money can also serve as first fruit?

3) Are there biblical examples of;
(a) The Apostles asking/requiring first fruits from Christians?
(b) Christians (both Jewish & Gentiles) giving first fruits?

4) Galatians 3 v 14 clearly states that Christians have access to the blessings of Abraham through Jesus Christ.
Why then should Christians give first fruits?

wirinet:

More than thieves, armed robbers. The OP whole passion is tithes and now first fruits. They just want to scam week minded individuals.

One question I always ask these scanners called pastors is that are they allergic to earning their own living? They are so lazy, they want to leech of the sweat members for the rest of their lives. Lazy bums.

If they have the powers to give people riches and wealth, through prayers, tithes and first fruits as they cliam, why not show example by working and earning money and then use that money to pay tithes, offerings, first fruits, pledges, etc, and then see how God bless their work.

You say pastors should go and earn a living by working just as others do. Who will now tend to the house of God? If a pastor gets a 9 to 5 job, things won't go smoothly in the house of God. Imagine he lives in Ogba and works in lekki, it means he will miss mid-week services due to traffic or his boss delaying him. What you are saying now is that pastors who work don't full-time are lazy and thieves. That means Peter and the other apostles of Jesus Christ who were full-time bishops in the house of God were thieves as well. It was only Paul and Barnabas that worked. It was easy for them because they didn't pastor any church but were evangelists. They also had no wife nor kids to cater for. Even Paul said those who preach the gospel can live of the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 9:1-14
1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


God uses firstfruits to cater for the pastor who feeds you all with spiritual milk. Out of your greediness, you want the pastor to starve or perhaps the Gospel to shrink with no one to propagate it.

AdsenseSnow:
op I have seen so many of your useless threads and I now realise that you are brainless brainwashed chicken no amount of bible quoting will save you from dying a poor chicken

op is a pastor, he doesn't want business to die.

OkCornel:



1) And how exactly does "first fruit" translate into first salary and wages for the year?

2) Are there biblical examples that shows money can also serve as first fruit?

3) Are there biblical examples of;
(a) The Apostles asking/requiring first fruits from Christians?
(b) Christians (both Jewish & Gentiles) giving first fruits?

4) Galatians 3 v 14 clearly states that Christians have access to the blessings of Abraham through Jesus Christ.
Why then should Christians give first fruits?

1. When I say firstfruit, I don't mean first salary. Firstfruit is actually the same as tithe which is ten percent. The Bible often use both words interchangeably.

2. If you had been reading the Bible with an open mind, not one blinded by greed, you would have seen clearly that firstfruits includes money. You guys sometimes act like illiterates as well, in that you failed to understand simple English.

The below verse says of ALL THINE INCREASE. This includes monetary increase.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

3. You guys always want to hear everything from the mouth of the apostles as if there weren't prophets of God before them. You guys have succeeded in throwing away the old testament as if it's no longer profitable for doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

You keep asking for where the apostles collected firstfruits. Since you are hell bent on living according to the Acts of the Apostles, if I show you what the apostles collected, will you give same also?

Acts 4:34-35
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

4. Do you even know what the blessings of Abraham are?

alBHAGDADI:


1. When I say firstfruit, I don't mean first salary. Firstfruit is actually the same as tithe which is ten percent. The Bible often use both words interchangeably.

First fruit and tithe are the same thing? Like seriously?

alBHAGDADI:

2. If you had been reading the Bible with an open mind, not one blinded by greed, you would have seen clearly that firstfruits includes money. You guys sometimes act like illiterates as well, in that you failed to understand simple English.

The below verse says of ALL THINE INCREASE. This includes monetary increase.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

270. To set aside the first fruits and bring them to the Temple — Ex. 23:19
271. The Kohanim must not eat the first fruits outside Jerusalem — Deut. 12:17
426. To set aside the firstborn animals — Ex. 13:12
428. Not to redeem the firstborn — Num. 18:17

Take a look at God's specific requirements for first fruits. Look at all those instructions and tell us where God demanded money as first fruit!

alBHAGDADI:

3. You guys always want to hear everything from the mouth of the apostles as if there weren't prophets of God before them. You guys have succeeded in throwing away the old testament as if it's no longer profitable for doctrine.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

And who exactly is the doctrine of monetary first-fruits profitable to?
Look at God's instruction on first fruits and tell us where God mentioned money as part of what qualifies for first fruit.

alBHAGDADI:

You keep asking for where the apostles collected firstfruits. Since you are hell bent on living according to the Acts of the Apostles, if I show you what the apostles collected, will you give same also?

Acts 4:34-35
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

And where did the Apostles twist the scriptures to manipulate the Christians into giving? Those Christians gave out of their freewill. Or did any of the Apostles instruct these Christians to sell off their properties? It was all about freewill giving. No tithes or first-fruit sham.

By the way, the proceeds were used to cater for the members of the church such that NO ONE LACKED! Can the same be said of the Church today?

alBHAGDADI:

4. Do you even know what the blessings of Abraham are?

Oh, please tell us what Abraham's blessings are. And with scriptural references.

alBHAGDADI:


Is firstfruits a practice under the law of Moses? No.

Firstfruit giving had been in existence right before Moses and even Abraham were born. Abel gave firstfruit and he wasn't under the law. In the book of Proverbs, Solomon said we should honor God with our firstfruits, and he didn't say the commandment was under the law.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

The above is for those who believe it. If you don't believe in it, why go ahead trying to dissuade people from obeying the word of God?

1) When Abel gave firstfruit, which Pastor or Priest received it on behalf of God?
2) Solomon lived in the era of the law, where exactly did Solomon mention that the first fruit commandment was not under the Law?

alBHAGDADI:


You say pastors should go and earn a living by working just as others do. Who will now tend to the house of God? If a pastor gets a 9 to 5 job, things won't go smoothly in the house of God. Imagine he lives in Ogba and works in lekki, it means he will miss mid-week services due to traffic or his boss delaying him. What you are saying now is that pastors who work don't full-time are lazy and thieves. That means Peter and the other apostles of Jesus Christ who were full-time bishops in the house of God were thieves as well. It was only Paul and Barnabas that worked. It was easy for them because they didn't pastor any church but were evangelists. They also had no wife nor kids to cater for. Even Paul said those who preach the gospel can live of the Gospel.

1 Corinthians 9:1-14
1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


God uses firstfruits to cater for the pastor who feeds you all with spiritual milk. Out of your greediness, you want the pastor to starve or perhaps the Gospel to shrink with no one to propagate it.

You conflate issues to justify the milking of the society by spiritual con artists. Peter, Paul and the apostles did not elevate the doctrine of tithes and first fruit above love of Man and God. They did not preach that the main purpose of their church is the pampering and worship of the pastors or bishops. Christianity started out as a socialist (or even communist) group.) Material possessions were sold off and used to cater for the group and for charity works. The early pastors never preached salvation by tithes and offerings, and then convert the money for personal use or used the donated money as he liked. The pastors lived the same (if not worse) lifestyles as other members of the church.
Christianity had survived and even thrived for close to 2000 years, in all that time pastors, reverends or bishops grew the religion without preaching or collecting tithes and first fruits. They thrived on the donations and patronage of members and people who appreciated the sacrifice they made, and their contributions to society. They did not come with an entitlement mentality, the pastors (Nigeria) of nowadays have.

Many other religions and even charity organizations had thrived for millennia, without elevating tithes and offerings to the status of salvation. Most of them thrive on their good name, sacrifices and relevance.

Charity organization's are meant to have structure, whereby officials, workers and ordinary members are catered for, with members dues, donations or even time. It is not supposed to be like an monarchy, where everyone lives for the king. Jesus did not live that way, non of the apostles loved that way.

So it is moral for pastors to feed fat, wearing expensive suits and flying private jets, while being aware that even one member of his church is starving? And will still be demanding tithes and first fruit from such a person. If that is not wickedness, I don't know what else is.

wirinet:


You conflate issues to justify the milking of the society by spiritual con artists. Peter, Paul and the apostles did not elevate the doctrine of tithes and first fruit above love of Man and God. They did not preach that the main purpose of their church is the pampering and worship of the pastors or bishops. Christianity started out as a socialist (or even communist) group.) Material possessions were sold off and used to cater for the group and for charity works. The early pastors never preached salvation by tithes and offerings, and then convert the money for personal use or used the donated money as he liked. The pastors lived the same (if not worse) lifestyles as other members of the church.
Christianity had survived and even thrived for close to 2000 years, in all that time pastors, reverends or bishops grew the religion without preaching or collecting tithes and first fruits. They thrived on the donations and patronage of members and people who appreciated the sacrifice they made, and their contributions to society. They did not come with an entitlement mentality, the pastors (Nigeria) of nowadays have.

Many other religions and even charity organizations had thrived for millennia, without elevating tithes and offerings to the status of salvation. Most of them thrive on their good name, sacrifices and relevance.

Charity organization's are meant to have structure, whereby officials, workers and ordinary members are catered for, with members dues, donations or even time. It is not supposed to be like an monarchy, where everyone lives for the king. Jesus did not live that way, non of the apostles loved that way.

So it is moral for pastors to feed fat, wearing expensive suits and flying private jets, while being aware that even one member of his church is starving? And will still be demanding tithes and first fruit from such a person. If that is not wickedness, I don't know what else is.

And where in my write-up did I justify or support all the wrongs you listed?

OkCornel:


1) When Abel gave firstfruit, which Pastor or Priest received it on behalf of God?
2) Solomon lived in the era of the law, where exactly did Solomon mention that the first fruit commandment was not under the Law?

Where there pastors and priest during Abel's time?

The book of Proverbs is not a book of the laws of Moses. It is a book of wisdom

nwabekeyi:
op is a pastor, he doesn't want business to die.

Lol you are right

bobowaja:

He is a pastor. Make no mistakes! He is just protecting his business. Insensitive idi*t parading as pastors. Thieves!!!!

All of them are thieves in suits including the one that drives on empty tank for several km.

Lol

Really? Can God truly make me sick because I refuse to give first fruit or tithe? Where is it written? Is this part of the new covenant established upon the blood of Jesus?

bloodofthelamb:
Really? Can God truly make me sick because I refuse to give first fruit or tithe? Where is it written? Is this part of the new covenant established upon the blood of Jesus?

He said if you pay your tithe, he will rebuke the devourer for you. The devourer is that thing that makes you lose money. It can be anything. If you failed to pay, the devourer comes in.

alBHAGDADI:


He said if you pay your tithe, he will rebuke the devourer for you. The devourer is that thing that makes you lose money. It can be anything. If you failed to pay, the devourer comes in.

I am seated with Christ far above the devourer and his agents. I don't need to part with money to get him rebuked. For he has already been rebuked.

alBHAGDADI:


Where there pastors and priest during Abel's time?

Very good...but God received Abel's offerings without a middle man involved. So why should people bring their first fruits to church?

Where is it required of Christians to part with first fruits? How did first fruits become money?

alBHAGDADI:

The book of Proverbs is not a book of the laws of Moses. It is a book of wisdom

This response does not address the question below;

Solomon lived in the era of the law, where exactly did Solomon mention that the first fruit commandment was not under the Law?

alBHAGDADI:


He said if you pay your tithe, he will rebuke the devourer for you. The devourer is that thing that makes you lose money. It can be anything. If you failed to pay, the devourer comes in.

LOL....... Laughing my as** out. So Bill Gate and Jeff owner of Microsoft and Amazon respectively who are both atheist and happened to be 2 richest men on earth pays their tithe and first fruits to who? In fact most of the owners of 500 fortune companies are atheist. The highest those dude do is having charity foundations that freely cater for people's needs (and that is exactly what we are preaching).

Pls who is conquering the devourers for them? Last time I remember, our very own Dangote is a Muslim and doesn't pay tithe. You are a pastors and a scammer...... A properly suited up con artist.

alBHAGDADI:


He said if you pay your tithe, he will rebuke the devourer for you. The devourer is that thing that makes you lose money. It can be anything. If you failed to pay, the devourer comes in.

This devourer nonsense only applies to those who are bound by the blessings and curses of the Old Covenant.

Deuteronomy 28 clearly covers that. Now how does that apply to Christians and non-Jews who were never under such covenant?

All these tactics to instill fear will only work on ignorant and brainwashed people...

1) There are tithers with financial challenges
2) There are non-tithers living in abundance

So spare us the devourer gimmick... it's not working.

alBHAGDADI:


He said if you pay your tithe, he will rebuke the devourer for you. The devourer is that thing that makes you lose money. It can be anything. If you failed to pay, the devourer comes in.

See format. So you must dash 10% of your earning to a pastor for life before your God can rebuke the devourer from devouring your money, health or any other spirit or demon. So tithes has become more powerful than the name of jesus?

In the name of tithes and offerings will you cast out demons, receive healings and do wondrous works. Tithes can move mountains. If ye say to the mountain, move, after paying your Tithes, the mountains will obey and be moved. - Gospel according to alBHAGDADI.

It hurts to read these scam artists use the name of the Lord in their deception but I'm glad people are rising up to say enough is enough

This is first fruit in the old testament

Leviticus

Offering the Firstfruits
9 The Lord said to Moses, 10 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the Lord so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the Lord a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah[a] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil—a food offering presented to the Lord, a pleasing aroma—and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin[b] of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.


Are they doing this?
Oh they want just your salary

If Christians do not understand that the church did not replace pre calvary Isreal and that the church is birthed by Grace and not subject to laws of Israel, the thieves on their pulpits will so milk them dry by selective theology.
Jews today don't even pay first fruit but these rogues on our pulpits have cashed in on that concept to swell their accounts
Study your bibles
Any pastor that preaches first fruit is a thief
I say that boldly because the church has no such injunctions.They are enemies of you and your family''s progress.
Run from such

wirinet:

See format. So you must dash 10% of your earning to a pastor for life before your God can rebuke the devourer from devouring your money, health or any other spirit or demon. So tithes has become more powerful than the name of jesus?

In the name of tithes and offerings will you cast out demons, receive healings and do wondrous works. Tithes can move mountains. If ye say to the mountain, move, after paying your Tithes, the mountains will obey and be moved. - Gospel according to alBHAGDADI.

Jesus didn't come to this world to make you greedy and stop honoring God with your firstfruits and substance. You haven't honored that Jesus with your substance yet you foolishly think he will listen to you when you call upon his name as a disobedient child.

Okay, go about fornicating and sleeping with prostitutes without condom. When you get infected with a deadly disease, call you Jesus to heal you.

OkCornel:


This devourer nonsense only applies to those who are bound by the blessings and curses of the Old Covenant.

Deuteronomy 28 clearly covers that. Now how does that apply to Christians and non-Jews who were never under such covenant?

All these tactics to instill fear will only work on ignorant and brainwashed people...

1) There are tithers with financial challenges
2) There are non-tithers living in abundance

So spare us the devourer gimmick... it's not working.

Do you understand that it was God talking in Malachai chapter 3? Or do you think it was still Moses? So God's word no longer matters?

1) Tithers with financial challenges might be as a result of tithing to the wrong God. They take their tithe to a scam church where God doesn't exist. If you want to pay money to your dad's account and you take it to GTBank when your dad doesn't bank with them, do you think your dad will receive it? That's the same thing that happens when you tithe to a church where God doesnt love in, you won't get blessed.

2) They can continue on abundance till their doom comes. It's the same as saying there are Muslims doing well without Jesus.

bobowaja:

LOL....... Laughing my as** out. So Bill Gate and Jeff owner of Microsoft and Amazon respectively who are both atheist and happened to be 2 richest men on earth pays their tithe and first fruits to who? In fact most of the owners of 500 fortune companies are atheist. The highest those dude do is having charity foundations that freely cater for people's needs (and that is exactly what we are preaching).

Pls who is conquering the devourers for them? Last time I remember, our very own Dangote is a Muslim and doesn't pay tithe. You are a pastors and a scammer...... A properly suited up con artist.

Do those billionaires look like Christians to you? Those are hardcore satanists. They got their riches by selling off their soul. Satan has given them the world just as he want to give it to Jesus when he tempted him. I can bet it that with all their money, they still don't have peace like the pauper on the street.

OkCornel:


Very good...but God received Abel's offerings without a middle man involved. So why should people bring their first fruits to church?

Where is it required of Christians to part with first fruits? How did first fruits become money?



This response does not address the question below;

Solomon lived in the era of the law, where exactly did Solomon mention that the first fruit commandment was not under the Law?

God ordered for firstfruits to be brought to his house so that there will be meat.

As for your other questions, I've answered them already. Stop recycling questions.

bloodofthelamb:


I am seated with Christ far above the devourer and his agents. I don't need to part with money to get him rebuked. For he has already been rebuked.

Have you honored him by doing what his word says in Proverbs 3:9?

No, yet you believe he will rebuke the devourer for you just for believing in his name. I don't blame you all. It is false prophets who have abused church money that I blame. You all just want to throw away the baby with the bath water.

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alBHAGDADI:
Do those billionaires look like Christians to you? Those are hardcore satanists. They got their riches by selling off their soul. Satan has given them the world just as he want to give it to Jesus when he tempted him. I can bet it that with all their money, they still don't have peace like the pauper on the street.

LOL.... Are Satanist I can't laugh enough.. He is even talking about peace. Why dont you work towards being poor so that you can have peace of mind? Why are you still collecting from others in form of tithe, fruits, seeds, offerings etc when you know that poverty is peace of mind. You are just a scam. You lots are scammers in suit.

alBHAGDADI:
Jesus didn't come to this world to make you greedy and stop honoring God with your firstfruits and substance. You haven't honored that Jesus with your substance yet you foolishly think he will listen to you when you call upon his name as a disobedient child.

Nothing person no go hear from spiritual scammers. So Jesus came to this world to enforce honouring of tithes and offerings. So the condition of salvation through Christ is honouring Jesus by dashing pastors 10% of your salary for life? I thought salvation is free according to the new testament.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Romans 5:15
But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

Okay, go about fornicating and sleeping with prostitutes without condom. When you get infected with a deadly disease, call you Jesus to heal you.

How does the above quote concern what we are talking about? What concerns fornication, prostitutes and deadly diseases with tithes and first fruits? Besides aren't lots of prostitutes and fornicators Christians? Aren't there millions of tithe paying Christian prostitutes and fornicators? Are you insinuating that Jesus will only heal tithe paying Christian prostitutes and fornicators and abandon non tithe paying ones?

alBHAGDADI:
Have you honored him by doing what his word says in Proverbs 3:9?

No, yet you believe he will rebuke the devourer for you just for believing in his name. I don't blame you all. It is false prophets who have abused church money that I blame. You all just want to throw away the baby with the bath water.

In Christ Jesus every devourer have been rebuked without me paying a dime. It is called grace!!

What you people do is put a price tag on the grace and mercy of God. True ministers of the grace of God don't lack because the One who turned water to wine is their provider.

They don't need to cajole anybody to pay tithe and offering in other to feed. Brother I thought the Lord is our shepherd and we shall not lack?

bloodofthelamb:


In Christ Jesus every devourer have been rebuked without me paying a dime. It is called grace!!

What you people do is put a price tag on the grace and mercy of God. True ministers of the grace of God don't lack because the One who turned water to wine is their provider.

They don't need to cajole anybody to pay tithe and offering in other to feed. Brother I thought the Lord is our shepherd and we shall not lack?

How can alBHAGDADI understand? When he thinks God's work cannot be done without money...is that not an insult to God already? Putting mammon and God on the same level...

Imagine someone lying that God uses firstfruits to cater for His workers...

Was it first fruit that sustained Elijah during the period of famine? Or was it first fruit and tithes that sustained the Apostles and Leaders of the early church?

All these lies just for money...

bloodofthelamb:


In Christ Jesus every devourer have been rebuked without me paying a dime. It is called grace!!

What you people do is put a price tag on the grace and mercy of God. True ministers of the grace of God don't lack because the One who turned water to wine is their provider.

They don't need to cajole anybody to pay tithe and offering in other to feed. Brother I thought the Lord is our shepherd and we shall not lack?

You are self-brainwashed.

You forgot that you are in the flesh. Christ has rebuked every devourer yet Christians fall sick, get locked, go broke, go hungry etc?

Stop being ridiculous. Temptations, persecutions and afflictions will always arise when you are a Christian.

Christ rebuked the devourer yet Paul, Peter and the other disciples faced persecution and were killed.

Na wah for you o. Why not just sleep all day and expect to make a living because Christ paid it all.

OkCornel:


How can alBHAGDADI understand? When he thinks God's work cannot be done without money...is that not an insult to God already? Putting mammon and God on the same level...

Imagine someone lying that God uses firstfruits to cater for His workers...

Was it first fruit that sustained Elijah during the period of famine? Or was it first fruit and tithes that sustained the Apostles and Leaders of the early church?

All these lies just for money...

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.