alBHAGDADI:
Blame such churches, not the doctrine.

chiommy123:
I blame those going to church with their Bible but they don't open it to read.

alBHAGDADI:


You don't understand what increase means. Perhaps you think it means an increase in salary. No.

Increase as used in the verse is talking about any addition to your pocket, this includes Monthly additions which you receive as salary. So your January and other monthly salary should have ten percent paid to God.

Stop being greedy and give unto God what belongs to God else you will be robbing him. Even when there's no hardship, you will still not pay God a dime. After paying 10%, God will ensure you love better with the 90% left than you would with the whole 100%.

No pastor has deviced any means to take money from you. It is God who said you should pay it.

Bondinus:

Since you don't go to church, and according to you, you have started today. Mention one good thing in helping the NEEDY your church or some churches have done?

Eres94:


its poor the way think, but I won't be hard on you
there weren't priests during time right.. fine, and the law introduced them as mediators between him and his people.. and many here are saying most of the doctrine in the old doesn't apply to them..hmm, so uhm why are pastors still relevant in Gods plan of salvation for mankind, isn't Christ the royal priest interceeding for us at the throne of grace..why was the mediation feature still relevant... why are most functions performed by priest of old still carried out by Christ and pastors till today if the old testament must be done away...
in the days of Abel, Enoch or Noah there wasn't a mediator.. yet but it is today necessary like we that pray to God through Christ
so if pastors are relevant.. and being constantly in the house of God..and performing their roles..aren't they entitled to the fruits of the tithe.
hmm, back then there was nothing like money..but here now it is the commodity in circulation that's of high value.. you don't give God what doesn't cost or is of value to you... if you don't want to give money use the money buy a house, cow etc and offer it to God
hmm
let's Love God with all our heart..n not part of it
its the holy spirit that has shared this with you all
law can't save from sin but grace...but remember Christ would say be a doer of God's commandments in love n fear.
gracias

Bondinus:

2 Thessalonians 3:6-18 said against your first paragraph pastor

alBHAGDADI:
I started going to church again today and you expect me to know all of that? Mind you I've not even started .

alBHAGDADI:



Proverbs 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

The above verse says of all thine increase, which includes monetary increase. It doesn't say agricultural increase alone.

philsbaba:


This one na thief oo

If increase means monthly salary, it means people should pay first fruit every month. I.e give pastors all their salary every month. You are a thief.

Stop disgracing christians.

alBHAGDADI:
How did it?

KingOfAmebo:


Funny, you now trying to tell people what the bible meant and not what is written, so money was not in existence when the bible was written so they don't know the difference between monetary increase and agricultural increase and as such it is omitted.

Keep fooling yourself. I dey watch you folly in 3D.

Bondinus:

St Paul said Christians are becoming lazy and begging people and asking them for food when they should be working. So pastor can work and still do his business mid week and Sundays too

Bondinus:

But you seem to know more of the Bible verses that FAVOURS your claim. And I think there are a lot of questions others and I asked that you haven't answered.

DeSepiero:
Albagdaddi's biblical exegesis is always dubious.

codybanks23:
Whats the definition of first fruit? Is it suppose to be yearly or every increase or every new job?

alBHAGDADI:


You don't understand what increase means. Perhaps you think it means an increase in salary. No.

Increase as used in the verse is talking about any addition to your pocket, this includes Monthly additions which you receive as salary. So your January and other monthly salary should have ten percent paid to God.

Stop being greedy and give unto God what belongs to God else you will be robbing him. Even when there's no hardship, you will still not pay God a dime. After paying 10%, God will ensure you love better with the 90% left than you would with the whole 100%.

No pastor has deviced any means to take money from you. It is God who said you should pay it.

alBHAGDADI:


This your comment is very funny. It shows the level of anger bottled up inside of you.

You are now telling God to go and make his own money. Oya employ God na

If God should decide to follow your advise by making his own money, then you will be dead in no time. You will die because everything in this world belongs to Him and he has given them to you. He will simply take them back and you will starve to death cos you will be left with nothing.

You also want God to rain down money from heaven. Do you think anyone would want to work if such is obtainable?

God never said he will make you wealthy. He knows wealth can destroy you and make you prone to Satan's attack, so he will never bless you to that extent.

alBHAGDADI:


God has said he will bless those who give to him. Perhaps, those poor and hungry people are those who fail to give God despite their condition. God will never stop asking for money from you no matter how poor you are. Remember how Jesus watched when that widow gave her last Mite, he even praised her. If someone like you existed in those days, you would have acted like a bloody Pharisee and questioned why Jesus didn't tell the poor widow not to bother putting the money in the offering plate.

As per your last paragraph, I never said such. Stop lying.

Zivaharry:
seriously, somebody told me about tithe, then I ask him can I give to somebody in need......he said no, I should take it to the temple of God, the I ask again.....but bible said u as a human is a temple of the holy spirit..... And God is a spirit(Trinity)... He jux kept quiet.

alBHAGDADI:
You slotted in agricultural increase but you don't want me to slot in monetary increase in the verse. Aren't they all increases ?

WaffenSS:


Why did he make Satan in the first place?

If he so loves mankind why doesn't he destroy Satan to give man reprieve?

Why does he need your pittance if he owns everything?

Why does he need you to give him something before he blesses you, isn't that bribery?

Zivaharry:
point of correction... God said I will bless and have mercy on whom I want to have mercy on.

alBHAGDADI:
People who speak against giving of firstfruits love to act like the Bible doesn't contain anything about giving firstfruits. It clearly shows that they don't even read their Bible. They know nothing but act like they know it all.

Firstfruits also means firstlings. Below is Abel giving his firstling to God who got pleased by the act.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


Below is the book of wisdom advising you to honor God with your firstfruit.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.


All who are against giving firstfruit to God are the same people against tithing. Yet they love to boast about freewill giving. Do they think the dirty N100 note they squeeze into the offering plate is what is enough to even power a Church's generator? When was the last time you gave God anything above 10%? I doubt you did such this year. Yet you sit down in an air-conditioned church, enjoy the music and the nourishing word of God without blessing God in return. Don't you know that the activities in the church is powered by other people's firstfruits?

You might say why does God need your money. He doesn't need your money, he only needs his own money. That money which you claim is yours is not really yours because everything on earth belongs to God. He gave you the money and wants just a small fraction from it. Some might also say they never saw God while they were working hard for the money, so why should they believe he gave them the money. If God had stroke you dead or caused you to be sacked, would you be counting the money? Don't you know that there are people better qualified for that job of yours than you, yet God let you have it?

If you don't pay your tithe or firsrfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another. Let me tell you a story about the children of Israel. God told them to farm on the land for 6years then allow the land to rest on the 7th year. They disobeyed God and ignored his commandment. God left them alone for a while, which possibly must have made them feel God was bluffing when he gave the command.

Do you know what God did? He calculated all the 7th year they disregarded and it all amounted to 70 years. He now made the King of Babylon to take the children of Israel away from their land and into captivity in Babylon for 70years. That way, the land rested for 70years after which the children of Israel were now freed from captivity and returned to their land.

If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked.

The grouse most of those who kick against firstfruits have is mostly regarding the life of opulence pastors of today live. That's why they grumble at giving their money to such people. Well, if your pastor falls into such category, then go look for another church e.g a Baptist Church where accountability is high. We can't throw away the baby with the bath water because some pastors abuse and enrich themselves with first fruits.

If you don't want to Pay tithe or firstfruits, then it's between you and God. Just don't go about trying to persuade others from paying.

#Notice

I'm not a pastor neither do I own a church. I'm just an ordinary Nairalander like everyone else. My only mission is to protect God's business. Yes, God has a business and that business is the house of God. Ever wondered why Jesus told Mary and Joseph that he had to be by his father's business?


Luke 2:49
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

alBHAGDADI:
People who speak against giving of firstfruits love to act like the Bible doesn't contain anything about giving firstfruits. It clearly shows that they don't even read their Bible. They know nothing but act like they know it all.

Firstfruits also means firstlings. Below is Abel giving his firstling to God who got pleased by the act.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


Below is the book of wisdom advising you to honor God with your firstfruit.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.


All who are against giving firstfruit to God are the same people against tithing. Yet they love to boast about freewill giving. Do they think the dirty N100 note they squeeze into the offering plate is what is enough to even power a Church's generator? When was the last time you gave God anything above 10%? I doubt you did such this year. Yet you sit down in an air-conditioned church, enjoy the music and the nourishing word of God without blessing God in return. Don't you know that the activities in the church is powered by other people's firstfruits?

You might say why does God need your money. He doesn't need your money, he only needs his own money. That money which you claim is yours is not really yours because everything on earth belongs to God. He gave you the money and wants just a small fraction from it. Some might also say they never saw God while they were working hard for the money, so why should they believe he gave them the money. If God had stroke you dead or caused you to be sacked, would you be counting the money? Don't you know that there are people better qualified for that job of yours than you, yet God let you have it?

If you don't pay your tithe or firsrfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another. Let me tell you a story about the children of Israel. God told them to farm on the land for 6years then allow the land to rest on the 7th year. They disobeyed God and ignored his commandment. God left them alone for a while, which possibly must have made them feel God was bluffing when he gave the command.

Do you know what God did? He calculated all the 7th year they disregarded and it all amounted to 70 years. He now made the King of Babylon to take the children of Israel away from their land and into captivity in Babylon for 70years. That way, the land rested for 70years after which the children of Israel were now freed from captivity and returned to their land.

If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked.

The grouse most of those who kick against firstfruits have is mostly regarding the life of opulence pastors of today live. That's why they grumble at giving their money to such people. Well, if your pastor falls into such category, then go look for another church e.g a Baptist Church where accountability is high. We can't throw away the baby with the bath water because some pastors abuse and enrich themselves with first fruits.

If you don't want to Pay tithe or firstfruits, then it's between you and God. Just don't go about trying to persuade others from paying.

#Notice

I'm not a pastor neither do I own a church. I'm just an ordinary Nairalander like everyone else. My only mission is to protect God's business. Yes, God has a business and that business is the house of God. Ever wondered why Jesus told Mary and Joseph that he had to be by his father's business?


Luke 2:49
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

alBHAGDADI:
And when the pastor fails to show up for mid-week service due to traffic or delay at work, who will preach that day? Or do you think preaching is for everyone?

alBHAGDADI:


This your comment is very funny. It shows the level of anger bottled up inside of you.

You are now telling God to go and make his own money. Oya employ God na

If God should decide to follow your advise by making his own money, then you will be dead in no time. You will die because everything in this world belongs to Him and he has given them to you. He will simply take them back and you will starve to death cos you will be left with nothing.

You also want God to rain down money from heaven. Do you think anyone would want to work if such is obtainable?now you are using other pipu as ur work.....stop this, you guyz are contributing immensely in d suffering in this country, is this the first thing u suppose to advice pipu, this first day of 2019, is paying tithe and first fruit d best way to make this country great, why are you and your kinds so wicked, jux coz of ur selfish interest.

God never said he will make you wealthy. He knows wealth can destroy you and make you prone to Satan's attack, so he will never bless you to that extent.

exlinkleads:




I have not insulted anybody on Nairaland before but your ruse are pathetic.


i feel like vomiting while reading your assumptions and reply to people. You are indeed a typical example of the people God was talking abt when he said and I quote "my people perish because they lack wisdom".

How can u say the reason for poor people in Nigeria is as a result of not giving to God? were the mess did u read that?

Why not keep quiet if you don't know what to say.

alBHAGDADI:


Did he now say he will just start having mercy and blessing people anyhow? Or perhaps you think he will abandon his obedient children and bless the disobedient ones?

sonofthunder:
children of hate will not let you rest.