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Thank you so much, please tell us in detail.

ebho:
My Good people of Nairaland, I greet everyone specially. For those that need clerification on anything in Manitoba specifically Winnipeg I will do my best to answer just in case I don't respond on time no vex ooo.
My piece of advice no matter what please don't give up on the pursuit.

Please we need info on British Columbia o.
Not even necessarily Vancouver. Places like Surrey, Abbotsford, Richmond. Info on Health registration, driving (licensing, tests, conversions), transport system, ease of getting accommodation, taxes, insurance rates, jobs, Are there areas that have more Nigerians or blacks than others?. Please those living in BC should help. Most of the info here is on Ontario, Alberta and a bit of Saskatchewan. I've been reading a lot online but can't compare with real life info from here.

Thank you!

sistaj:
Settlement journey. Pardon my long post...... Always lots to share when I come around to it. I have been staying with my crew in Apple Hill, Ontario where our in Canada(where I haven't stepped foot) are much bigger and join the complaints crew. It reminded me of the naughty boy poem . We saw a couple that we liked and asked about the application process and we were given forms.We explained our status as new immigrants and they said we must have a co-signor who will be our guarantor since we had no jobs yet. We explained we had money to cover a full year's rent and could spread cheques to cover that and that I worked overseas and would provide payslips but the manager said a guarantor was needed. We collected the forms and left. Now our host was not eligible to be our guarantor because he is not a resident and was on a special visa but he rallied round to help us find someone who could be our guarantor. He got me to ask someone(a Nigerian) he had earlier introduced me to but I was not very willing and told him my reasons. She has lived in Ottawa for a long time and promised she would send me a list of areas to avoid in my househunt and after several reminders to that effect,she didn't send it. I was now wondering how someone who didn't send something like a list would agree to guarantee me but my host was adamant it was not that a big deal and she would do it. I asked her to please everyone and not to be labelled strong headed and she very swiftly and readily agreed without even asking questions and that was a redflag and I knew she wouldnt do it eventually.I told my host my observations which my husband corroborated but he still said nahhh, she understands and would.Long story short...she didn't. I began to look for prospective guarantors.Hit up a few people which didnt work out. I still continued my apartment inspections and explaining my situation to the real estate people. The main issue was not dealing directly with landlords because with landlords, the decision is theirs to make but with the management companies, there are protocols to follow and most times, the people on ground are not the ones to access your application. The people who are accessing you have not met you for you to upsell yourself and it is just a matter of ticking checkboxes.At another showing after I explained what we have been going through and the struggle to get a co-signor,the lady said if we had significant funds in a Canadian bank account, that that could waive the need for a co-signor. If we are to require a guarantor however,the person has to fill out a separate application with her/his details just like us and I wondered why it had to be so but she said it was their policy. At this point, we had gotten someone in BC who agreed to be our guarantor and provide payslips. I wasn't sure the person would want to fill a new application in his name though instead of just signing as a guarantor. Now given that I have seen a place that I was told money in the bank would waive the need for guarantor, my hopes were high. I had other appointments and went for more showings. I saw a really nice place with two bathrooms and was told to go to the office downtown to apply. Throughout the inspections, we were attended to by the nicest courteous people. On this trip downtown, we also met a very nice receptionist who called the person in-charge and immediately he came out, I noticed him withdraw and become uncomfortable. He was obviously an immigrant(only the aborigines aren't lol) but not caucasian. He was very uneasy in our midst I am not a body language analyst but when you encounter certain people, you can correctly put labels like racist after interacting with them and you would not be wrong. I told him what we were here for and he asked who will be occupying the apartment.I told him my husband and I plus three children and he said sorry,the maximum no of occupants is 4. I asked him if he had other apartments in other buildings and 3 bedrooms but he said they are all the same rules.We thanked him and left. So far, that has been our only experience with someone being visibly uncomfortable in our presence even in their own space.
Usually, applications are made with a deposit of last month's rent and I have been wondering the consequences if someone applies at two places and both get approved if the person can get one deposit back. We went to another showing and finally a spacious space(from experience) because one measured 880sqft and I have seen some as small as 640sqft. I told the lady our situation and that we were a family of 5-because of my experience at the previous place and she said she doesn't care about that. I also asked the question of what happens when two applications are approved and she told me that the one I don't choose is not obliged to return my money because usually,during the application the apartment is removed from the market and held for you until a decision is made. I explained our situation to her and she said it doesnt matter as long as we show evidence of good money in our account for instance 50k. I knew it was just an illustration. Now my hopes were higher than ever and she said she would send the application to my email as they do theirs online. She did and I applied showing POF over her illustration. However, it was in multiple currencies, CAD,AUD and Naira which I converted on xe.com showing the CAD equivalent. My hopes were really very high because in this case, the same lady was in charge of vetting the application. Now given when we landed, all these things were happening close to the holidays and this final application fell into the xmas holiday window. We were asked to come in again just before the holidays to sign some forms and bring first and last month's deposit. I also asked when a decision will be made and we were told by the 27th of dec. On 27th I waited and had to call and I was told our application has been sent to the lady's manager in Toronto.I began to feel that this thing don get k-leg o.Otherwise why would something she usually does be sent up the ladder. Alas, the email came and the application was denied and according to them,it was company policy not to disclose reasons for declining an application. I was given the option of getting a guarantor who would fill out an application,provide id and payslip and sign the guarantor form. At this stage, based on the no of people we reached out to the first time for guarantorship,more people were ready to guarantee us. I had a problem however with anyone having to fill out a new application in their own name and I wasn't sure anyone would want to do that. I reached out to them and they provided needed documents sans new application explaining it wasn't the norm. I totally understood. One of them gave me very good and legit reasons and was very angry with the ontario system saying it wasn't so in his province and asking us to move to another province. I understood his frustrations.
I was tired too. I emailed the building manager telling them getting someone to apply in their name was proving very hard and I was told they can't make any exception. I will go and pick up my money orders(money orders were made in the company name for the deposits) next week. I began searching and booking appointments again and the next one is for Jan 2. Two of the ones I already viewed are still vacant but I am sceptical to apply because of the apartment size. I hope to get a better sized one.
I am commuting from apple hill to Ottawa and not eligible to receive some settlement services because I don't have an Ottawa address even though I explained my apple hill stay was temporary. I am no longer enjoying having to commute to Ottawa to search for apartments and I decided to call emergency shelter services in Ottawa. I have an appointment with them next week. I want to be in the city where I can continue my search for a place as well as have an address to enable us access settlement services and most importantly enrol my kids in school. If it wasn't for the kids school in january, I wouldn't be fazed. I would remain in apple hill until I get a place but I don't want them to miss school anymore because they didn't complete this school year. I don't know if I can though(the school) with a shelter address. I only intend to stay for a few days though lol. I dont really know if we will stay until I am given a place and I deem it fit because I know shelter accomodations are not ideal places. .
Lets see how it pans out.

You will get your apartment soon enough. Patience is all you need. Just relax and God will handle the rest

Na wa oo. Una dey vex oo. People temper just dey feel like short burning fuse. Lets all take a couple of deep breaths. Breath in for six seconds, hold the breath for six seconds, and exhale the breath slowly. Repeat until you feel calm. Happy Sunday everyone

behati:
It is not proper to tell a stranger on the internet how to run her home or what gender roles should be adopted, esoecially when she did not ask for it. She stated in her post that they were a family of 5, why didn't you ask who was minding the kids when she went house hunting? How do you know he's an African man? Everyone does what works for their family and we should all respect that!

you guys like making a mountain out of a molehill.
She meant no harm in stating that the man should do the house-hunting. It was just more like a harmless suggestion/advice.
Let's not stress this issue anymore

Blackbuddy:
This is really strange as I've received messages from others but not yours. I'll try to initiate the PM from my end.

Ok boss. May be something is not right from my end. Pls I will be expecting your PM, or you can just send a mail to fmofmk8588@gmail.com so that I can continue form there. Thanks

If there's a way to teach people how to quote long posts appropriately, it would be good. Guys!!! You don't need to quote the entire thing nau. Don't make this thread boring for some of us who come here to learn a thing or few.

Exactly.This is very inappropriate...Please let's be very careful on how we share opinions here...



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.....And this is one of the reasons why some people will be so reluctant to share their landing/settlement experiences or stuff about themselves.


I don't think it is proper for you to tell them how to manage their home. By the way, she used "we" so many times in the post.[/quote]

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This is very inappropriate ,Let's be careful on how we share opinions.(about her spouse)

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Quite an effort you have put in there and i truly feel for you. But like they say, it will all end in praise.

I had to read your write-up twice to be sure i am not missing out anything and I am appalled that it is filled with "I did, I did, I did". Initially thought you landed alone, then i noticed your DH in the additional baby part and corroboration paragraph.

Its is suppose to be a team thing and being the African man, it is his duty to be doing all this house hunting wahala. Yours is to choose and decide if its ok for the family, then contribute money if need be.

Moving into a shelter so quick is not advisable even though it is a cheaper option but it is the beginning of accepting defeat in Canada, more so as a newcomer. It will have a psychological effect on you by the time you are done.

My humble advice is to take a backseat and let the man fulfill his God-given role of tilling the ground for his family. Trust me, you will see how fast your lot will change.

God's grace to you and your family.

Gracias.

Ps everyone: Do not like this post, even if you appreciate it. Thanks[/quote]

JennyKadry2:
Exactly.....the irony though when it is a Christian claiming holy holy. As long as you are committing one sin or the other, you have no right to point fingers at people. I work with people who identify as LGBTQIA. Some of these people have opened their doors for me to enter their country. I stopped talking to one muslim woman who was invited(by another christian family) to our church's end of year and she was there talking about how being gay is a sin and the 14years sentence in Nigeria. Her husband couldn't get funding so they had to leave the country. Good riddance. Now they are fighting to come back. Stay in Naija and practice Sharia biko

I really do not care about anyone's sexuality as long as they are not hurting anyone. Imagine someone living with a boyfriend and talking about how being gay is a sin. Living with a person you are not married to or fornicating isn't a sin? since na you practice christianity pass

If I owned a company tomorrow, and a gay person applied for a job and interviewed very well better than an heterosexual person, be rest assured I am offering the former the job. Make them carry me go Mountain of fire for deliverance if them wish .

I couldn’t help but comment after reading this.

Seriously I don’t get some Nigerians! Why hustle to a country if you aren’t prepared to integrate?

Take the (my) workplace for example, where tolerance, equal opportunities, and inclusiveness is actively promoted to portray a workplace that is a reflection of the society we live in. You get Pakistans and Jews, Christians and Muslims, LGBT and heterosexuals, Blacks, Whites, Asians, and mixed race, those with disabilities, basically people of all ethnic, religious, and social backgrounds working together in close-knit teams all for the betterment of the company. As long as you’ve got the qualifications, skills and experience to do the job, then who cares?

Times have changed. We’re all in the 21st century and those with prehistoric mindsets need to get a grip and move on.

That's rough. Hang in there Sis, rooting for you.

So hustling for housing is becoming a bigger deal.

Corroborates the news on cbc.ca that house vacancy rates are at a historic low. Simply put, there are not enough houses to go round in Canada.

That makes it a sellers' market and they can be making things difficult for people as they like.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4923635

sistaj:
Settlement journey. Pardon my long post...... Always lots to share when I come around to it. I !h been staying with my crew in Apple Hill, Ontario where our family friend lives. Apple hill is a small community of primarily farmers about I hour drive from Ottawa and Montreal. It is really a small suburb which has no primary school or major grocery store. I believe every family here owns a car to get around.

EfemenaXY:
I couldn’t help but comment after reading this.

Seriously I don’t get some Nigerians! Why hustle to a country if you aren’t prepared to integrate?

Take the (my) workplace for example, where tolerance, equal opportunities, and inclusiveness is actively promoted to portray a workplace that is a reflection of the society we live in. You get Pakistans and Jews, Christians and Muslims, LGBT and heterosexuals, Blacks, Whites, Asians, and mixed race, those with disabilities, basically people of all ethnic, religious, and social backgrounds working together in close-knit teams all for the betterment of the company. As long as you’ve got the qualifications, skills and experience to do the job, then who cares?

Times have changed. We’re all in the 21st century and those with prehistoric mindsets need to get a grip and move on .

White people have gone to all corners of the world and never integrated anywhere. Yet you are ok with this because they are white.
And when Africans refuse strange things like LGBT , you say they have a prehistoric mindsets.

This is just a low self esteem or inferiority complex.
Bestiality is uploading. Very soon we should start teaching our kids that it is okay to have sex with pigs and cows. And whoever doesn't agree with that has a stone age mentality

GlitteringStar2:
Hello, you can read the following posts.


https://www.nairaland.com/3617393/living-canada-life-canadian-immigrant/77#60204840

https://www.nairaland.com/3617393/living-canada-life-canadian-immigrant/77#60206868

https://www.nairaland.com/3617393/living-canada-life-canadian-immigrant/77#60212307

Thank you for the prompt response, God bless you!

TheCongo2:
White people have gone to all corners of the world and never integrated anywhere. Yet you are ok with this because they are white.
And when Africans refuse strange things like LGBT , you say they have a prehistoric mindsets.

This is just a low self esteem or inferiority complex.
Bestiality is uploading. Very soon we should start teaching our kids that it is okay to have sex with pigs and cows. And whoever doesn't agree with that has a stone age mentality

Right. So what do you advocate? Stone them to death? Bully and hound them till they commit suicide?

Does a person’s sexuality hinder them from carrying out their duties / performing their jobs?

It’s all about respecting people’s personal choices. How can you compare a person’s sexuality to bestiality? As long as no one is harmed then it’s no one’s business.

Re: your comment on whites refusing to integrate, etc...who says LGBT is a “white man’s thing”?

Sexuality is not defined by race. A lot of non-whites are LGBT inclined but are afraid to come out in the open about their true selves for fear of societal backlash and reprimandation. So they keep quiet and live in misery.

Don’t you understand? Imagine a homosexual forced to marry and live a heterosexual life. Do you think the spouse of such a person will be happy in that union? And what about the kids??

How hard is it to understand?

EfemenaXY:
Right. So what do you advocate? Stone them to death? Bully them till they commit suicide?

Does a person’s sexuality hinder them from carrying out their duties / performing their jobs?

It’s all about respecting people’s personal choices. How can compare a person’s sexuality to bestiality? As long as no one is harmed then it’s no one’s business.

I have said it earlier that the Canadian culture is about mutual respect.
Therefore, we can't stone a gay person because of his sexual orientation like the white people were killing anyone in Africa who didnt convert into their culture.
We can't discriminate against gays neither because they are protected by the constitution.

However, for you to say Nigerians have a prehistoric mentality because they don't agree with homosexuality is a low self esteem in itself. It is like we have to accept anything the white master dictates. We can no longer choose what is permissible to teach our kids and what isn't.

The stone age mentality is letting other people defining who we are the same way they did in the past.

Yes, our kids should respect everyone.
But we cant let them embrace just anything.

Please guys, say NO when your girl wants to marry another girl or her dog.
Teach your kids that homosexuality is unnacceptable in Africa. And we should be proud of our African heritage.

Ibadanboy2015:
Good morning all,

Please I am in a dilemma .

I am a guy who immigrated to Canada through Manitoba PNP route; My sister who's a PR in Manitoba actually sponsored me .

After spending a year there , I got a decent job in Nova Scotia and I left for it . I am currently working in Nova Scotia now.

My worry now is that this is going to affect her sponsoring other family members of ours .

I don't want to lose this Job and I don't wanna block other members of the family who want to come to Manitoba through PNP.

This has really given me sleepless nights and unhappy moments. I am sad .

Please elders, what can I do ? What is the way out ?

Thank You.

Hayor2014 Glitteringstar2 oohunt smslive2 Jasmine17

You Certainly cannot sponsor anybody to come into Canada cos you are not obeying the rule of your PNP nomination,and you are at risk also of losing your PR status(to the best of my knowledge),except you can prove to the appropriate authority that you could not obtain the desired job in all of Manitoba and had no choice but to move to another province and that might be semi impossible to do.

I would advice you go back to Manitoba ,get ur citizenship ,sponsor who you want and move wherever you want.
Elders in the house,put mouth abeg,I spoke to the best of my knowledge

EfemenaXY:
Right. So what do you advocate? Stone them to death? Bully and hound them till they commit suicide?

Does a person’s sexuality hinder them from carrying out their duties / performing their jobs?

It’s all about respecting people’s personal choices. How can compare a person’s sexuality to bestiality? As long as no one is harmed then it’s no one’s business.

Re: your comment on whites refusing to integrate, etc...who says LGBT is a “white man’s thing”?

Sexuality is not defined by race. A lot of non-whites are LGBT inclined but are afraid to come out in the open about their true selves for fear of societal backlash and reprimandation. So they keep quiet and live in misery.

Don’t you understand? Imagine a homosexual forced to marry and live a heterosexual life. Do you think the spouse of such a person will be happy in that union? And what about the kids??

How hard is it to understand?

And how hard is it to understand congo2?

He is simply saying you can respect people's choices without you accepting it as your own truth.

Also I would like you to educate me on sexuality that you keep mentioning?
And how do you really differentiate it from bestiality.

What if someone says he was born to be attracted to animals? Or in future it becomes OK and legal to get married to your pets and have sex with them,what then will be your stance on bestiality?

I do accept people choices, I don't really care what you decide toi do with your life or who/what you decide to sleep with, I can still with work and makes friends with you, but that doesn't mean I must accept your choices as my moral truth or compass.. These are exclusive events and should not be married together

Lol! ���

joo2018:
That's rough. Hang in there Sis, rooting for you.

So hustling for housing is becoming a bigger deal.

Corroborates the news on cbc.ca that house vacancy rates are at a historic low. Simply put, there are not enough houses to go round in Canada.

That makes it a sellers' market and they can be making things difficult for people as they like.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4923635

This depends on where you go in Canada. It's a buyers and renters market in some towns/cities across Canada.

TheCongo2:
I have said it earlier that the Canadian culture is about mutual respect.
Therefore, we can't stone a gay person because of his sexual orientation like the white people were killing anyone in Africa who didnt convert into their culture.
We can't discriminate against gays neither because they are protected by the constitution.

However, for you to say Nigerians have a prehistoric mentality because they don't agree with homosexuality is a low self esteem in itself. It is like we have to accept anything the white master dictates. We can no longer choose what is permissible to teach our kids and what isn't.

The stone age mentality is letting other people defining who we are the same way they did in the past.

Yes, our kids should respect everyone.
But we cant let them embrace just anything.

Please guys, say NO when your girl wants to marry another girl or her dog.

Okay. Let’s clarify a couple of things here.

First of all the bolded section of your post is contradictory.

On one hand you concede it’s illegal to discriminate against homosexuals because of the constitutional laws in place (and rightly so to have those laws). Yet in the same breath you say Nigerians who disagree with homosexuality shouldn’t be labelled prehistoric.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There is no issue with that. However, when one expresses their disagreement in a manner that is inflammatory and discriminatory, then yes it becomes an issue and is downright illegal.

The reason I picked on Nigerians was in response to the example Jenny gave (see bolded part of quote below):

JennyKadry2:
Exactly.....the irony though when it is a Christian claiming holy holy. As long as you are committing one sin or the other, you have no right to point fingers at people. I work with people who identify as LGBTQIA. Some of these people have opened their doors for me to enter their country. I stopped talking to one muslim woman who was invited(by another christian family) to our church's end of year and she was there talking about how being gay is a sin and the 14years sentence in Nigeria. Her husband couldn't get funding so they had to leave the country. Good riddance. Now they are fighting to come back. Stay in Naija and practice Sharia biko

I really do not care about anyone's sexuality as long as they are not hurting anyone. Imagine someone living with a boyfriend and talking about how being gay is a sin. Living with a person you are not married to or fornicating isn't a sin? since na you practice christianity pass

If I owned a company tomorrow, and a gay person applied for a job and interviewed very well better than an heterosexual person, be rest assured I am offering the former the job. Make them carry me go Mountain of fire for deliverance if them wish .

TheCongo2:
White people have gone to all corners of the world and never integrated anywhere. Yet you are ok with this because they are white.
And when Africans refuse strange things like LGBT , you say they have a prehistoric mindsets.

This is just a low self esteem or inferiority complex.
Bestiality is uploading. Very soon we should start teaching our kids that it is okay to have sex with pigs and cows. And whoever doesn't agree with that has a stone age mentality

Just yesterday in South Africa

@sistaj, please send me a PM, I live in Ottawa.

Chai. You like quarell sha

Jasmine17:
If others didn't share, i guess you would have made such progress as you did in so short a time. I'm not telling her how to run her home. We are all looking out for one another here and i advised based on her predicament.

I am only suggesting she takes a back seat. Maybe this particular task has been destined to be achieved by the hubby. Struggling it out will only wear her and the family out.

It is your prerogative to share or keep your story. I for one will not beg or ask you to share. Don't see it as a favour ok?

bily:
And how hard is it to understand congo2?

He is simply saying you can respect people's choices without you accepting it as your own truth.

Also I would like you to educate me on sexuality that you keep mentioning?
And how do you really differentiate it from bestiality.

What if someone says he was born to be attracted to animals? Or in future it becomes OK and legal to get married to your pets and have sex with them,what then will be your stance on bestiality?

I do accept people choices, I don't really care what you decide toi do with your life or who/what you decide to sleep with, I can still with work and makes friends with you, but that doesn't mean I must accept your choices as my moral truth or compass.. These are exclusive events and should not be married together

The key thing here is choice between consenting adults. How does practicing bestiality reflect CHOICE between CONSENTING ADULTS?

The rest of your post mirrors my argument.

TheCongo and Efemena are saying the same thing. The words "pre-historic mindset" is what theCongo does not agree with lol.

You can still respect, tolerate and give equal opportunities to LGBTQ without embracing or accepting their values. The same way people have different religious backgrounds but still respect each other.

Seun (Nairaland's owner) is an atheist, but we have not because of his belief abandoned nairaland. People respect his choice, and he respects other people's choice as well. If Seun starts calling non- atheist prehistoric people for following abrahamic religion, that is where wahala go dey.

EfemenaXY:
The key thing here is choice between consenting adults. How does practicing bestiality reflect CHOICE between CONSENTING ADULTS?

The rest of your post mirrors my argument.

Like he said, it's loading....
I have seen videos of people getting married to their pets and it was celebrated. Nobody made an argument on consent on the part of the pet

When you tell a 5 year old girl in school that it's okay to be a boy and she can decide to be whatever sex she wants to be, did you consider her a consenting adult at that age? Talk about mutual respect and yet forcing your own believes on people.

The truth is everyone is guilty of hypocrisy in order to get one agenda or the other across.

So I do agree thecongo2 that people should not be labeled prehistoric for deciding to stick to a particular set of believes as long as its within the legal construct of where they are residing.
Do you label a white man prehistoric if they choose to live and work in Nigeria because their personal believe is not in line with Nigerian laws? Or do you tell them to pack and go back to their country Which is exactly what people are doing here

TheCongo2:
The stone age mentality is letting other people defining who we are the same way they did in the past.

Yes, our kids should respect everyone.
But we cant let them embrace just anything.

Please guys, say NO when your girl wants to marry another girl or her dog.
Teach your kids that homosexuality is unnacceptable in Africa. And we should be proud of our African heritage.

I really wish you’d just create a new post rather than update a post I’ve already responded to with new additions.

Our so called “African heritage” endorsed the killing of twins, human sacrifices, female circumcision and an oppressive patriarchal system that subdued (and still does) women.

Most of these stone age practices have been done away with and rightly so.

TheCongo2:
With respect to the bolded, this is where the Ontario and the Canadian Human Rights commissions come into play. Are you familiar with those agencies?
You can't live in Canada with a culture that doesn't permit equal rights. They will be consequences.

As for the freedom of speech or opinion, it is also involved mutual respect. You can't be rude or condescending to people just because you have the freedom to Express yourself.

By the way, where are you located?

Hmmm......
Some culture just don't believe in equality, it's a cultural mindset and they carry this orientation wherever they go n seek to have it established...
Just look at the gang grooming culture ravaging uk cities that have significant British Pakistani population.....
One the convicts was unapologetic during trial, he simply told the female judge that someone like her is a third class citizen in his culture....
Indians are giving opportunity to run establishment and the next thing they do is to weed out other ethnic minorities n replace them with fellow indians...
There are some immigrant communities in Stockholm right now police just can't enforce law and order without risking a riot......
Does these examples look like equality n respect u preach...

Canada plans to bring in 300 thousand immigrants annually over the next 10 to 15 years....
Just wait n see, in another 10 years u will understand better what I'm talking about....
People are not just left alone to practice their beliefs and expect them to embrace or respect other beliefs antithetic to their culture.....it never works...
Without proper integration, cultural enrichment is bound to fail......
With consequent lack of respect for other people's culture or beliefs....
And there's nothing any HRC or any regulatory body can do....
That's the challenge uk is facing now n one of the main reason for brexit....
And I don't see Canada escaping the hammer, the recipe is just too familiar....

bily:
Like he said, it's loading....
I have seen videos of people getting married to their pets and it was celebrated. Nobody made an argument on consent on the part of the pet

When you tell a 5 year old girl in school that it's okay to be a boy and she can decide to be whatever sex she wants to be, did you consider her a consenting adult at that age? Talk about mutual respect and yet forcing your own believes on people.

The truth is everyone is guilty of hypocrisy in order to get one agenda or the other across.

So I do agree thecongo2 that people should not be labeled prehistoric for deciding to stick to a particular set of believes as long as its within the legal construct of where they are residing.
Do you label a white man prehistoric if they choose to live and work in Nigeria because their personal believe is not in line with Nigerian laws? Or do you tell them to pack and go back to their country Which is exactly what people are doing here

And your point is?

EfemenaXY:
And your point is?

Happy Sunday

EfemenaXY:
Okay. Let’s clarify a couple of things here.

First of all the bolded section of your post is contradictory.

On one hand you concede it’s illegal to discriminate against homosexuals because of the constitutional laws in place (and rightly so to have those laws). Yet in the same breath you say Nigerians who disagree with homosexuality shouldn’t be labelled prehistoric.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There is no issue with that. However, when one expresses their disagreement in a manner that is inflammatory and discriminatory, then yes it becomes an issue and is downright illegal.

The reason I picked on Nigerians was in response to the example Jenny gave (see bolded part of quote below):

That is why I stopped replying that moniker. The replies will be filled with contradictions.

SIRTee15:
Hmmm......
Some culture just don't believe in equality, it's a cultural mindset and they carry this orientation wherever they go n seek to have it established...
Just look at the gang grooming culture ravaging uk cities that have significant British Pakistani population.....
One the convicts was unapologetic during trial, he simply told the female judge that someone like her is a third class citizen in his culture....
Indians are giving opportunity to run establishment and the next thing they do is to weed out other ethnic minorities n replace them with fellow indians...
There are some immigrant communities in Stockholm right now police just can't enforce law and order without risking a riot......
Does these examples look like equality n respect u preach...

Canada plans to bring in 300 thousand immigrants annually over the next 10 to 15 years....
Just wait n see, in another 10 years u will understand better what I'm talking about....
People are not just left alone to practice their beliefs and expect them to embrace or respect other beliefs antithetic to their culture.....it never works...
Without proper integration, cultural enrichment is bound to fail......
With consequent lack of respect for other people's culture or beliefs....
And there's nothing any HRC or any regulatory body can do....
That's the challenge uk is facing now n one of the main reason for brexit....
And I don't see Canada escaping the hammer, the recipe is just too familiar....

Thank you!

When in Rome do like the Romans, but some people no go ever gree!!

Some will even say the "Roman culture" does not exist