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Jonathan:
I dont live in Lagos . There’s no lagoon here
Say another one

go to express... and face trailer!

jomoh:
I’m not talking about your post to me but your post to the OP.



We are Muslims and should present better arguments rather than confronting each other in public.

My response to OP was copy-paste of my thread on the same topic posted long time ago. It's something debated before. Here's it:

https://www.nairaland.com/3083525/what-view-basmala-bismillah-rahman

LuckyLadolce:
go to express... and face trailer!

See wickedness

I hope I will get your time one of these days. You are make nuisances of yourself. Check my post again I didn't quote Ibn Baz (may Allaah have mercy on him) at all. I share the scholarly verdict given by Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him and his likes).

I know where you belong, may Allaah grant you guidance! In our of your noises on my post, you were attacking noble predecessors in the Dean, the like of Abu Hurayrah (May Allaah be pleased with him and curse his enemies!).

Please, it will do you more good here and in the next life, to start learning the pristine creed of Islam taken from the Quran and Sunnah in line with the understanding of righteous predecessors and stop misleading people with your heretic views. I pray Allaah grant you guidance!

AlBaqir:
My response to OP was copy-paste of my thread on the same topic posted long time ago. It's something debated before. Here's it:

https://www.nairaland.com/3083525/what-view-basmala-bismillah-rahman

Please, go through the post again and state where Ibn Baz was mentioned. Stop misleading people!

AlBaqir:
^^

OTHER VIEW
Unfortunately the OP decided to see with one eye (opinion).

In simpler words, Ibn Baz believed that ‘Uthman erroneously added basmala to the text of Surat al-Fatihah. This definitely is undiluted tahrif (distortion)!

Ibn Kathir
Al-Hafiz Ibn Kathir, in his exegesis of Surat al-Fatihah, also submits:

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Itemid=35

"Bismillah is the First Ayah of Al-Fatihah.

The Companions started the Book of Allah with Bismillah:

(1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.)

The scholars also agree that Bismillah is a part of an Ayah in Surat An-Naml (chapter 27). They disagree over whether it is a separate Ayah before every Surah, or if it is an Ayah, or a part of an Ayah, included in every Surah where the Bismillah appears in its beginning. Ad-Daraqutni also recorded a Hadith from Abu Hurayrah from the Prophet that supports this Hadith by Ibn Khuzaymah. Also, similar statements were attributed to `Ali, Ibn `Abbas and others.

The opinion that Bismillah is an Ayah of every Surah, except Al-Bara'ah (chapter 9), was attributed to (the Companions) Ibn `Abbas, Ibn `Umar, Ibn Az-Zubayr, Abu Hurayrah and `Ali. This opinion was also attributed to the Tabi`in: `Ata', Tawus, Sa`id bin Jubayr, Makhul and Az-Zuhri. This is also the view of `Abdullah bin Al-Mubarak, Ash-Shafi`i, Ahmad bin Hanbal, (in one report from him) Ishaq bin Rahwayh and Abu `Ubayd Al-Qasim bin Salam. On the other hand, Malik, Abu Hanifah and their followers said that Bismillah is not an Ayah in Al-Fatihah or any other Surah. Dawud said that it is a separate Ayah in the beginning of every Surah, not part of the Surah itself, and this opinion was also attributed to Ahmad bin Hanbal."

The matter is very serious now. If basmala is not a verse of Surat al-Fatihah as Ibn Baz claimed, then all those Sahabah and others who believed that it is were guilty of tahrif. By contrast, if those Salaf were correct, then Ibn Baz, Imam Malik, Imam Abu Hanifah and their followers were all guilty of tahrif. There is no win-win situation here for the Ahl al-Sunnah. Whichever position they take, some of the pillars of their sect fall. Basmala is either a verse of Surat al-Fatihah or not. If it is a verse of that surah, whosoever claims that it is not, is guilty of tahrif. By contrast, if it is not a verse of the surah, then anyone who says that it is, is guilty of tahrif.

akinsmail51:
I hope I will get your time one of these days. You are make nuisances of yourself. Check my post again I didn't quote Ibn Baz (may Allaah have mercy on him) at all. I share the scholarly verdict given by Shaykh Muhammad bin Saalih al-Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him and his likes).

I know where you belong, may Allaah grant you guidance! In our of your noises on my post, you were attacking noble predecessors in the Dean, the like of Abu Hurayrah (May Allaah be pleased with him and curse his enemies!).

Please, it will do you more good here and in the next life, to start learning the pristine creed of Islam taken from the Quran and Sunnah in line with the understanding of righteous predecessors and stop misleading people with your heretic views. I pray Allaah grant you guidance!

That's a name mixed up there. However, both Ibn Baz and Uthaymeen share exactly the same opinion on Basmala not part of sura al-Fatiha. So, our submissions bringing out second view remain intact.

# Rather than bordering yourself on where I belong to, kindly deal with the issue. If you as a salafic ideologist believe that basmala is part of sura Fatiha, you have believe in tahrif of the Quran. And if you do not, you have equally believe in tahrif according to the split of your salafs. It's a two parallel line that can never meet.

# As per Abu Hurairah, shine your bro. Anytime you have my time click on the thread we have provided above where we have exposed the Paul of Islam - Abu Hurairah. This is an academic dialogue. It's not about emotion.

Jomoh and Akinsmail51, kindly leave argument with AlBaqir alone! He is a fully blown Shi'a that has a 10unit core course of denigrating the Sunnah of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam. He has called Abu Hurairah a liar. Soon he would move to Umar, Abu Bakr, Uthman,( Ali is their major beloved) then Bukhari, Albani, etc till they get to 'Aaisha.
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He is a specialist in twisting text, inappropriate use of words and seemingly accurate cherry picking!

He is just like I said before a lite version of Olori Olodo of Nigeria OON of Agege.

Those whose individual accomplishments they can't ever surpass even in multiple generations except if Allah wills they keep denigrating them and bringing them down!

Rashduct4luv:
Jomoh and Akinsmail51, kindly leave argument with AlBaqir alone! He is a fully blown Shi'a that has a 10unit core course of denigrating the Sunnah of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam. He has called Abu Hurairah a liar. Soon he would move to Umar, Abu Bakr, Uthman,( Ali is their major beloved) then Bukhari, Albani, etc till they get to 'Aaisha.
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He is a specialist in twisting text, inappropriate use of words and seemingly accurate cherry picking!

He is just like I said before a lite version of Olori Olodo of Nigeria OON of Agege.

Those whose individual accomplishments they can't ever surpass even in multiple generations except if Allah wills they keep denigrating them and bringing them down!

You sound very pitiful. Face the fact, no. You are skilfully water the issue down.

The issue is about basmala in Fatiha. Either way, you commit tahrif based on your Salafs. You can't run away from that unless you accept one verdict over the other with no daleel.

We've done away with Abu hurairah in several threads. There is no need wasting time on his issue again.

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AlBaqir:
You sound very pitiful. Face the fact, no. You are skilfully water the issue down.

The issue is about basmala in Fatiha. Either way, you commit tahrif based on your Salafs. You can't run away from that unless you accept one verdict over the other with no daleel.

We've done away with Abu hurairah in several threads. There is no need wasting time on his issue again.

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