GeneralShepherd:


I also have to ask this. Now according to science the universe is infinitely vast. With millions of planets, why did God make these other planets , just for us to live on one?

The scientists speculates a lot basing their assumptions on what an instrument TELESCOPE reveals to their SIGHT. Note that these people restricts their documents ONLY to what they can SEE.
It's worthless trusting in their assertions because they are restricted to sight whereas you and i know for sure that there are many things that lives around us that WE CAN'T SEE!
Even the scientists themselves asserted the existence of BLACK HOLES yet their assumptions is based on certain events in the space but NO ONE has seen the black hole for REAL!
Whether God created billions or trillions of planets it's none of our business since we have a massive planet that's bubbling with lots of lives. What should be our main concern is how we can LIVE happily, peacefully and longer as we're enjoying LIFE on our planet home EARTH!
I think that's the purpose of life! Genesis 1:26-28

@GeneralShepherd
What amuses me is how some supposed intellectuals wholeheartedly believes in some documents and condemned other documents.
For instance, you'll hear someone talking boldly about the BIG BANG as the cause of life,but ask them if they're PRESENT during this so called BIG BANG.
NO is the answer, they ONLY believe in books written by humans who also weren't PRESENT during the so called BIG BANG yet they're sceptical about another document WRITTEN explaining how life began!
The TRUTH is we're all BELIEVERS of what's was WRITTEN by humans, so which document efficaciously explains or supplies satisfying answers to life's most important questions? Is it the one that's based on assumptions of a mysterious BIG BANG? Or the one WRITTEN by humans who claims to have gotten the inspiration from some invisible HIGHER intelligent being?
The ball in our court, both documents were written by NONE eyewitness of a beginning! But a document claims to have been written under the inspiration from the one who is the main cause of THE BEGINNING!

HellVictorinho:

The Big Bang did not require 'Initial Energy'.
It only required events capable of changing the state of cosmic systems.
The Big Bang was an event preceded by other events and followed up by other events.
The law of thermodynamics is about energy.
But energy involves the speed of light.
So specified time is also involved.
But 'Existence' is possible when Time is unlimited for events to occur timelessly.
So you can't attribute the Forming of Existence to specified time.

So you're also a BELIEVER in some documents that's written by NONE EYEWITNESS of the beginning!
It's evident that the writers of all the books you've been reading are NONE EYEWITNESS of these your so called BIG BANG, why then are you claiming having any knowledge when all what you've gotten in your brains are ALSO based on the assumptions found in WRITTEN documents from humans like you Sir?
I think it's rather wiser to believe in WRITTEN documents that the writers themselves claims to have been inspired by some unseen higher intelligent being!

GeneralShepherd:


I have not suggested that we change the law. I am simply asking if we are just energy, why life?

In Mars, energy also changes form but we have not detected any sign of life and yes I know the conditions on earth are perfect for life. But what is tbe purpose of it?

Why the big bang at all? Where did that initial energy come from as we all know that energy can neither be created or destroyed.

So for the universe to exist the laws of thermodynamics must have been violated at least once or we do not fully understand everything yet.

we don't know for sure if there are no lives on Mars and other planets.

We really cannot talk about what we don't know yet

TATIME:
So you're also a BELIEVER in some documents that's written by NONE EYEWITNESS of the beginning!
It's evident that the writers of all the books you've been reading are NONE EYEWITNESS of these your so called BIG BANG, why then are you claiming having any knowledge when all what you've gotten in your brains are ALSO based on the assumptions found in WRITTEN documents from humans like you Sir?
I think it's rather wiser to believe in WRITTEN documents that the writers themselves claims to have been inspired by some unseen higher intelligent being!

You are assuming that there are unseen higher intelligent beings.
But it is a fact that the 'Big Bang' happened.
However, I am not a proponent of the 'The Big Bang as The First Ever Event Theory'.
There is no first/last event in the 'Forming of Existence'.

nwabekeyi:
we don't know for sure if there are no lives on Mars and other planets.

We really cannot talk about what we don't know yet

Let me say there is currently no evidence that there is life of mars

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I honestly do not understand you. We know that everything is energy. The material universe is energy believed to have started in a singularity then expanded and continues to expand.

Now why this singularity? Why couldn't there just be nothing? No experience? We won't be having this conversation? There will simply be nothing.

Why was there a cosmic system in the first place instead of nothing? Randomness you may say but why not nothing instead of randomness[/
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Look,the Singularity was a Form of Existence.
The Cosmic System is also a Form of Existence.
The Plane of Existence where the Forming of Existence takes place is un-dimensional.
The Forming of Existence doesn't involve a first/last event.
In-Existence is impossible.
Existence is possible.
So there has never been a time when nothing was happening and there will never be..
TIME can't be formed.

HellVictorinho:

You are assuming that there are unseen higher intelligent beings.
But it is a fact that the 'Big Bang' happened.
However, I am not a proponent of the 'The Big Bang as The First Ever Event Theory'.
There is no first/last event in the 'Forming of Existence'.

Where is the PROOF of a BIG BANG,if you've gotten it apart from what was WRITTEN by some presumptuous NONE EYEWITNESS?
You're simply a BELIEVER in some documents WRITTEN by NONE EYEWITNESS of some ASSUMED events,while the Bible BELIEVERS are also counting on some documents WRITTEN by NONE EYEWITNESS of some REPORTED events.
So the stage is set for the presentation of PROOFS or EVIDENCE of what was WRITTEN in these documents.
I'm one of the Bible BELIEVERS and i've presented some EVIDENCES why i trust the Bible!
*It talks about a BEGINNING and everything mentioned are still standing in their respective positions till date!
*it talks about events that are found recorded outside the Bible!
*it mentioned SPECIFICALLY the shape and condition of our earth even when NOBODY thought of it!
*it foretold events that's happening right before our eyes today!
*it talks about how we got here,scattered abroad and began speaking different languages!
*it talks about unseen higher intelligent beings (though we're not seeing them) magicians are collaborating with these UNSEEN beings to perform magic!
Please present just ONE single PROOF of any form of life that has come by Chance(apart from what we've always knew), since you said "There is no first/last events in the Forming of Existence".

TATIME:
Where is the PROOF of a BIG BANG,if you've gotten it apart from what was WRITTEN by some presumptuous NONE EYEWITNESS?
You're simply a BELIEVER in some documents WRITTEN by NONE EYEWITNESS of some ASSUMED events,while the Bible BELIEVERS are also counting on some documents WRITTEN by NONE EYEWITNESS of some REPORTED events.
So the stage is set for the presentation of PROOFS or EVIDENCE of what was WRITTEN in these documents.
I'm one of the Bible BELIEVERS and i've presented some EVIDENCES why i trust the Bible!
*It talks about a BEGINNING and everything mentioned are still standing in their respective positions till date!
*it talks about events that are found recorded outside the Bible!
*it mentioned SPECIFICALLY the shape and condition of our earth even when NOBODY thought of it!
*it foretold events that's happening right before our eyes today!
*it talks about how we got here,scattered abroad and began speaking different languages!
*it talks about unseen higher intelligent beings (though we're not seeing them) magicians are collaborating with these UNSEEN beings to perform magic!
Please present just ONE single PROOF of any form of life that has come by Chance(apart from what we've always knew), since you said "There is no first/last events in the Forming of Existence".

Life didn't come by chance.
Neither was it created.
It(natural life supported by Earth) was formed.
In fact,the chemical properties, biological (life supporting )systems and physical quantities that were involved in the Forming of the Earth also led to the appearance of living things after the Earth had become suitable for them to take part in the Forming of Existence!!!!!

HellVictorinho:

Life didn't come by chance.
Neither was it created.
It(natural life supported by Earth) was formed.
In fact,the chemical properties, biological (life supporting )systems and physical quantities that were involved in the Forming of the Earth also led to the appearance of living things after the Earth had become suitable for them to take part in the Forming of Existence!!!!!

Says who?

TATIME:
The scientists speculates a lot basing their assumptions on what an instrument TELESCOPE reveals to their SIGHT. Note that these people restricts their documents ONLY to what they can SEE.
It's worthless trusting in their assertions because they are restricted to sight whereas you and i know for sure that there are many things that lives around us that WE CAN'T SEE!
Even the scientists themselves asserted the existence of BLACK HOLES yet their assumptions is based on certain events in the space but NO ONE has seen the black hole for REAL!
Whether God created billions or trillions of planets it's none of our business since we have a massive planet that's bubbling with lots of lives. What should be our main concern is how we can LIVE happily, peacefully and longer as we're enjoying LIFE on our planet home EARTH!
I think that's the purpose of life! Genesis 1:26-28

The scientists speculate a lot, yet your organization always supports their lies about universe with this same scientific speculations....isn't that ridiculous?

Talking about hypocrisy, you and your organization carry first.

What you did here is what we've opened you people eyes to in Bible...yet failed to take correction....you quote any verse that you think it is on your side and cherry pick or totally reject the part you think it's not.

You can quickly rush and use scientists claim as a cover when it suits you but deny them when it is not.

the attached is a quote from one of your organization publications.

Emusan:


The scientists speculate a lot, yet your organization always supports their lies about universe with this same scientific speculations....isn't that ridiculous?

Talking about hypocrisy, you and your organization carry first.

What you did here is what we've opened you people eyes to in Bible...yet failed to take correction....you quote any verse that you think it is on your side and cherry pick or totally reject the part you think it's not.

You can quickly rush and use scientists claim as a cover when it suits you but deny them when it is not.

the attached is a quote from one of your organization publications.

Thanks for the comments Sir, so can you now address the OP? The topic of discuss here is "WHY ARE WE HERE?"
Please what have you got to say,we're not here for confrontations or accusations.
God bless you!

TATIME:
Thanks for the comments Sir, so can you now address the OP? The topic of discuss here is "WHY ARE WE HERE?"
Please what have you got to say,we're not here for confrontations or accusations.
God bless you!

Why did you start with hypocrisy

It's evident you can only deceive those who didn't know or familiar with your lies and that of your organization.

That's why you keep jumping from one thread to another claiming to be intelligent and sound mind of the scriptures...whereas you're only promoting your organization lies.

Emusan:


Why did you start with hypocrisy

It's evident you can only deceive those who didn't know or familiar with your lies and that of your organization.

That's why you keep jumping from one thread to another claiming to be intelligent and sound mind of the scriptures...whereas you're only promoting your organization lies.

Na wah oooooooo
Abeg who go help me tell this Emusan of a person say na question we dey try answer for here.
Hellooooooooo WHY ARE WE HERE? Period!

Emusan:


Why did you start with hypocrisy

It's evident you can only deceive those who didn't know or familiar with your lies and that of your organization.

That's why you keep jumping from one thread to another claiming to be intelligent and sound mind of the scriptures...whereas you're only promoting your organization lies.

You're unknowingly judging yourself!
If you can say someone is claiming or PROVING to be INTELLIGENT and SOUND in MIND regarding the scriptures {2Timothy 1:7} and you're unable to prove him/her wrong yet you're furiously criticising such a person without any concrete point.Act 24:5
Hmmmmmmmmm think my friend, THINK!
Remember how many times you've tried antagonising JWs on NL but each time you're supposed to answer thought provoking questions you disappear as if something choked you to death! Well for your information, it's because the spirit behind JWs is invincible that's why you're unable to face them during Biblical discussion! Isaiah 54:17
God bless you!

GeneralShepherd:
Hi Nairaland, it's been awhile. I have been going through a lot of things lately that has forced me to think of what humans have thought about for years.

What is the meaning of life?

From a Christian stand point , we are here as a preparation for eternal life with God. The question becomes why did God have to create us here first. Why not create us eternally in heaven to serve him?



From an atheist point of view, when we die we simply seize to exist. It's like trying to imagine where you were before you became conscious. If that is the case, why then are we here? Does it mean our consciousness has no purpose or meaning in the grand scheme of things?

Please drop a comment on what you believe is the purpose of life.

Simply put, the meaning and the purpose of life is to live as long as possible and as happily as possible. This is inherent in every life. This applies not only to the human-beings but to all the living-beings. They follow this path even without knowing that whatever they are doing is aimed at that. As a matter of fact, this is carried out by a living-being instinctively. This instinct lies beneath even those actions which the most knowledgeable and intelligent people carry out knowingly and after proper planning. In this context there is no discrimination between the so called good or bad actions. Because they do not have the target other than being happy.

Human-beings are the most intelligent species and they become more and more knowledgeable as they grow and become experienced. In the process, occasionally they come across such questions and get confused because they normally take into account only those phases of life through which they have moved or moving presently. They learn from others’ experiences too. But, normally the out-come of the analyses remains inconclusive even if it appears to be the best conclusive answer at the particular moment. At best, with such practices they learn to convert a distressing moment into a happy moment and at times they master this art. But again, the instinct remains in tact.

The religious discourses and the lectures on the art of living are held to tell the audiences what is the proven meaning and the purpose of life. But, the fact remains that all this is momentary pleasure giving exercise for the speakers and the listeners. The meditation and the other activities of life that one follows strictly according to the holy sermons serve the same purpose — temporary contentment.

The final contentment, that is a wish-less person at the end of life is almost impossible. Here, the end of life implies the stage of life when the person ceases to be perfect in his all senses.

I do not know how far will you be convinced by my answer, if at all. But I do have drawn a bit of happiness while writing it.

Thanks for asking.

TATIME:
Na wah oooooooo
Abeg who go help me tell this Emusan of a person say na question we dey try answer for here.
Hellooooooooo WHY ARE WE HERE? Period!

We are here to play Q&A

TATIME:
Na wah oooooooo
Abeg who go help me tell this of a person say na question we dey try answer for here.
Hellooooooooo WHY ARE WE HERE? Period!

You're answering question yet you started postulating lies for those who probably didn't know you nor your organization to cajole them.

The person asked you a question, instead of you to answer him straightly you have to deny the works of scientists simply because it doesn't dance to your tune....forgotten that your organization is an advocate that promotes the said SPECULATIONS of the so called scientists by you...

Going by this your statement "The scientists speculates a lot basing their assumptions on what an instrument TELESCOPE reveals to their SIGHT"

We can then ask, why do your publications always use these speculation and assumption ideas to validate most of their claim?

Though, actually I'm not surprised because they did same by using references from Atheists and secular books to fight the church but for the sake of those seeking for the truth.


What a shame...

TATIME:
Thanks for the comments Sir, so can you now address the OP? The topic of discuss here is "WHY ARE WE HERE?"
Please what have you got to say,we're not here for confrontations or accusations.
God bless you!

Why are you here?

Emusan:


You're answering question yet you started postulating lies for those who probably didn't know you nor your organization to cajole them.

The person asked you a question, instead of you to answer him straightly you have to deny the works of scientists simply because it doesn't dance to your tune....forgotten that your organization is an advocate that promotes the said SPECULATIONS of the so called scientists by you...

Going by this your statement "The scientists speculates a lot basing their assumptions on what an instrument TELESCOPE reveals to their SIGHT"

We can then ask, why do your publications always use these speculation and assumption ideas to validate most of their claim?

Though, actually I'm not surprised because they did same by using references from Atheists and secular books to fight the church but for the sake of those seeking for the truth.


What a shame...

Na wah oooooooooo.
OK we're sorry Sir /Ma. Biko!
Please can you now address the question p~l~e~a~s~e?
WHY ARE WE HERE?

HellVictorinho:

We are here to play Q&A

Emusan is just one those losers who always fall during spiritual combat!
And instead of joining the winning team to learn how to master the use of the SWORD(Hebrew 4:12) he/she has become a fighter who only shoots arrow into the light from darkness but have no effrontery to face the soldiers of Christ! You can see that he's not here to say anything tangible but just to argue against those trying to solve the problem. He claims to be a CHRISTIAN and someone is claiming the Bible can answer the question. OK what is Emusan doing now?
Is he in support of the Bible or against it?

Emusan has NOTHING tangible to say regarding the OP but has plenty to say just to criticise a participant in a thread, is that not stupidity?

That there seems to be no overarching purpose to the universe does not mean one cannot determine a purpose for themselves. And such a self determined purpose can be every bit as profound and effective as any supplied by religion. In other words the question why is individually answered, the universe cannot answer the question for you.

As for god and gods, it stands to reason that any god or gods who seriously wanted us to know a purpose for it or their creation would have supplied such unequivocally, not with these confused attempts to imagine a god or gods which have been shoved consistently into an ever receding pocket of ignorance.

LordReed:
That there seems to be no overarching purpose to the universe does not mean one cannot determine a purpose for themselves. And such a self determined purpose can be every bit as profound and effective as any supplied by religion. In other words the question why is individually answered, the universe cannot answer the question for you.

As for god and gods, it stands to reason that any god or gods who seriously wanted us to know a purpose for it or their creation would have supplied such unequivocally, not with these confused attempts to imagine a god or gods which have been shoved consistently into an ever receding pocket of ignorance.

What if someone misinterpreted all what you've just said before a mob of Chinese who don't understand English and the interpretation says you should be strangled?
Abeg you've got no excuse my friend, just because your comments were MISINTERPRETED doesn't mean you've got nothing tangible to offer! Romans 1:20
Come on! honest hearted persons will endeavour to understand whatever you're saying no matter how complicating the situation.
Well God extended HIS hands towards you and i by saying "come and let us reason together" Isaiah 1:18
And HE also said you'll need to be sincerely interested in HIM to figure out the necessary information HE wants to pass to you! Proverbs 2:1-5 Matthew 5:3

TATIME:
What if someone misinterpreted all what you've just said before a mob of Chinese who don't understand English and the interpretation says you should be strangled?
Abeg you've got no excuse my friend, just because your comments were MISINTERPRETED doesn't mean you've got nothing tangible to offer!

Don't be daft, we are talking of gods here not your Igbo neighbour who went to China and because he can say good morning in Chinese, thinks he knows every nuance of the language. No god or gods worth their salt (or whatever element they are made of lol) should have a problem communicating their firm purpose for everything. I mean if you went to school did your teacher have problem teaching you red means stop and green means go as regards traffic lights? Abeg don't give me that bullcrap about people misinterpreting the god or gods, that is absolute rubbish.

LordReed:


Don't be daft, we are talking of gods here not your Igbo neighbour who went to China and because he can say good morning in Chinese, thinks he knows every nuance of the language. No god or gods worth their salt (or whatever element they are made of lol) should have a problem communicating their firm purpose for everything. I mean if you went to school did your teacher have problem teaching you red means stop and green means go as regards traffic lights? Abeg don't give me that bullcrap about people misinterpreting the god or gods, that is absolute rubbish.

There you go again! God's decision about info is from one person to another. And you've read about it in the books you're debunking right now.
So if you're an intelligent being living amongst other intelligent beings, and you truthfully feels life saving info should be giving to EACH person by god or gods, what is the significance of you coming on social media when everyone is believed to be EQUALLY intelligent?
Come on! God chooses humble,intelligent and reserved ones amongst us to disseminate necessary information that's all!
But arrogant ones also comes up saying they were assigned to do the same thing!

TATIME:
There you go again! God's decision about info is from one person to another. And you've read about it in the books you're debunking right now.
So if you're an intelligent being living amongst other intelligent beings, and you truthfully feels life saving info should be giving to EACH person by god or gods, what is the significance of you coming on social media when everyone is believed to be EQUALLY intelligent?
Come on! God chooses humble,intelligent and reserved ones amongst us to disseminate necessary information that's all!
But arrogant ones also comes up saying they were assigned to do the same thing!

Such a cop out. Hey look at me the god chose me because I am humble and intelligent #humblebrag. Its funny how you don't see the contradiction in your statement.

BTW when a manufacturer makes a product does he rely on the end users to pass the manual to other end users or he bundles the manual with each product? So your god is less thoughtful than the manufacturers of "earthly" goods? LMFAO!

LordReed:


Such a cop out. Hey look at me the god chose me because I am humble and intelligent #humblebrag. Its funny how you don't see the contradiction in your statement.

BTW when a manufacturer makes a product does he rely on the end users to pass the manual to other end users or he bundles the manual with each product? So your god is less thoughtful than the manufacturers of "earthly" goods? LMFAO!

His God is crazy.

To serve Our Creator's Pleasures.

LordReed:


Such a cop out. Hey look at me the god chose me because I am humble and intelligent #humblebrag. Its funny how you don't see the contradiction in your statement.

BTW when a manufacturer makes a product does he rely on the end users to pass the manual to other end users or he bundles the manual with each product? So your god is less thoughtful than the manufacturers of "earthly" goods? LMFAO!

Of course HE made sure that the manual is going round so that everyone could have a copy. While some people are preoccupied with some religious activities that they're not welcoming the manual, God is using America as a tool to force the FREEDOM of speech,expression and worship throughout the earth so that the manual could reach everyone!
Granted misinformed religious groups are making things difficult for God's true representatives but things are still working out gradually!
I'm sure you've gotten a copy of the manual but misinformed churchgoers have filled your minds with so much junks that you no more value the manual. But you can still pick it up now and see where most people missed the info!

HellVictorinho:

His God is crazy.

Hmmmmmmmmm but not as stupid as someone who comes on social media to disseminate worthless info and when confronted with the TRUTH began insulting others for responding to him on SOCIAL MEDIA!

TATIME:
Of course HE made sure that the manual is going round so that everyone could have a copy. While some people are preoccupied with some religious activities that they're not welcoming the manual, God is using America as a tool to force the FREEDOM of speech,expression and worship throughout the earth so that the manual could reach everyone!
Granted misinformed religious groups are making things difficult for God's true representatives but things are still working out gradually!
I'm sure you've gotten a copy of the manual but misinformed churchgoers have filled your minds with so much junks that you no more value the manual. But you can still pick it up now and see where most people missed the info!

Are we talking of the same god that created the universe in 6 days? Why the fück does such a god need to force freedom through America? Why the flaming fück can't it bundle the manual with each and every of its creation? LMFAO! Like I always say the god concept was conceived by unsophisticated men so the concept of individual manuals was unknown to them.

The more you try to defend this nonsense the more the stupidity of it is exposed.