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| Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by bingbagbo(op): 7:26am On Oct 04, 2011 |
So how 'bout the creation of Angels, lucifer, water and other pre Adam creatures? when were they created? |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:37am On Oct 04, 2011 |
bin gbagbo:What do you think? |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Jenwitemi(m): 9:26pm On Oct 04, 2011 |
Answering the question directly, the answer is, NO. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Joagbaje(m): 3:17pm On Oct 05, 2011 |
bin gbagbo:They were created millions of years before Adam came. Satan who's original name was lucifer ruled the earth that time . He was also a ruling archangel in heaven. Pre historic animals existed on the earth those days. When lucifer rebelled against God , he was cast away from Gods presence. Isaiah 14:12-16 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; The human beings on the earth who he had corrupted were all destroyed by a flood . 2 Peter 3:6-7 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. They are believed by many scholars to be the demons on earth today. Satan was already a fallen being before Adam was made. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by wetu: 10:21am On Oct 06, 2011 |
How did such a world exist in the absence of light? Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Since that world was destroyed by water, if there was light, water cannot destroy light. Therefore that world existed without light but there were stars? That scripture also talks about a world that was destroyed and the Jews were willingly igonrant of it. How can they be willingly ignorant of something that Moses did not teach them? 2Pe 3:5 For this they[b] willingly are ignorant of[/b], that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: What were they ignorant of? They were ignorant of the fact that things did not continue as they were from the beginning of the creation: 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. When Apostle Peter says "the creation", he is obviously talking of the creation that we know. Why don't you just write your own epistles to support your teachings? 2Agbaje 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Agbaje 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the first creation. 2Agbaje 3:5 For this they are ignorant of the mystery, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 2Agbaje 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 2Agbaje 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 1Agbaje 15:45 And so it is written, The first man in the image of God Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. and your own gospel: Agbaje 10:6 But from the beginning of the second creation God made them male and female. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by wetu: 10:41am On Oct 06, 2011 |
Also write your own version of Genesis: Agbaje's Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had again made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Agbaje's Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth again. Agbaje's Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth again. Or you can simply repent from the false teachings instead of continuing in lies. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by tpia5: 11:01am On Oct 06, 2011 |
^I'm not getting your point. Why not make your contribution to the topic directly so we can have a better understanding of your take on the matter. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by wetu: 11:19am On Oct 06, 2011 |
The point is Joagbaje is right if he changes the Bible. The Bible as it stands says: * Adam was the first man (Joagbaje says Adam was the first man created in the image of God, but not the first man) * Peter says the Jews were willingly ignorant (although Moses taught them) that the world was once destroyed by a flood. (Joagbaje says there was another world that was destroyed by a flood that Moses did not teach) * God created Light at the creation in Genesis (Joagbaje says there was another world before the creation. That means that world did not have light) * There is one creation. The creation spoken of by Peter and the Lord Jesus Christ (Joagbaje says there are two creations) * God destroyed the earth for the first time in the flood of Noah (Joagbaje says God destroyed the earth for the second time in the flood of Noah) My point is Joagbaje must change the Bible accordingly or change his doctrine accordingly. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Enigma(m): 12:17pm On Oct 06, 2011 |
Please do bear in mind that Joagbaje has said he knows more than the people who wrote parts of the Bible. Please note that Joagbaje has said that he has "greater light" than the prophet Isaiah. Please note that Joagbaje has said that the prophet Isaiah was wrong on one of the things he wrote in the book of Isaiah. Please note that Joagbaje has said that he is greater than the prophet Elijah. Please note that Joagbaje has said that the writer of the New Testament book of Matthew was wrong to record that Jesus spoke of "the kingdom of heaven". Please note . . . . etc etc |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Sweetnecta: 12:51pm On Oct 06, 2011 |
[Quote]« #3 on: Yesterday at 03:17:11 PM » Quote from: bin gbagbo on October 04, 2011, 07:26 AM So how 'bout the creation of Angels, lucifer, water and other pre Adam creatures? when were they created? They were created millions of years before Adam came. Satan who's original name was lucifer ruled the earth that time . Pre historic animals existed on the earth those days. When lucifer rebelled against God , he was cast away from Gods presence. Isaiah 14:12-16 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; The human beings on the earth who he had corrupted were all destroyed by a flood . 2 Peter 3:6-7 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. They are believed by many scholars to be the demons on earth today. Satan was already a fallen being before Adam was made. [/Quote]and the bible goofed by calling satan [lucifer] an Angelic being. Is it not true that Angels do not disobey God? how many rulers in heaven, apart from God Who rules everything including what are outside the heavens. Then the Bible made a jinn [genie; alujaanu] an insan [man, human being]. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Joagbaje(m): 10:35pm On Oct 06, 2011 |
wetu: Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. There was light in the first creation. Genesis 1:1 talks about the perfect creation . It wasn't a chaotic creation. It became chaotic . At the fall of Satan and the destruction of that world, So genesis 1:1 refer to a perfect creation. But geneisi 1:2 talks about how the earth became chaotic. The rendering of that verse suggests the earth became chaotic . It wasn't created so. Niv translation foot note throws light on that. It says "the earth possibly became chaotic" Since that world was destroyed by water, if there was light, water cannot destroy light. Therefore that world existed without light but there were stars?What are stars ? Are they plastic? The flood of the pre-adamite world destroy the heavens as well as earth. That's why darkness came.There was light in the original creation Jeremiah 4:23-26 GWT 23 I see the earth. It's formless and empty. I see the sky. Its lights are gone. 24 I see the mountains. They are shaking, and the hills are swaying. 25 I see that there are no people, and every bird has flown away. 26 I see that the fertile land has become a desert, and all its cities are torn down because of the LORD and his burning anger. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:35pm On Oct 06, 2011 |
Joagbaje:How did the light created in verse 3 have anything to do with your so called first creation in verse 1? Joagbaje:Genesis 1:1 talks about the unformed and unfilled creation. God went ahead to explain how He formed it in the first 3 days and then filled it in the next 3 days. The Bible did not say that the earth became chaotic, it said "And the earth was without form, and void" it did not say that 'it became chaotic' that is your own addition. Joagbaje:Are you really saying that 'lucifer's flood destroyed the universe including the solar system? Jeremiah 4:23-26 GWTHere is a reputable commentary on Jeremiah 4:23-24 Jeremiah 4:23So we can see that this was a prophesy regarding the land of Judah that was to become desolate as a result of their sin. It was not a commentary on the creation of the pre adamite world as you claim. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by tpia5: 3:19am On Oct 07, 2011 |
approaching genesis with an open mind, here are the bare facts we can glean: 1. we do not know when or how water was created. It seems to have preceded the creation of the earth though i'm not sure. It could also be water was created along with earth but covered earth. 2. light preceded the sun. 3. there were spirits which preceded earth. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 4:07pm On Oct 07, 2011 |
Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation Story? No! Is The Genesis Creation The Second Creation Story? No! Is The Genesis Creation TheThird Creation Story? No! Infact i dont think it ranks in the top 1,000 bin gbagbo:Lucifer may have existed i'm not hear about him but his evil twin thats just propostrous. Man would like to assume their evil intentions and actions to an illusionary figure its just what we humans are specialist at doing; but i'm afraid its me and you that are the EVIL not some monster running around with two horns a tail and a garden fork. As for the magnificience that is Water, well i think somebody has already answered that, if i may just quote tpia@ tpia@: |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 4:49pm On Oct 07, 2011 |
It just amazes me to see all these arguements full of vigour on issues that you hardly know enough about. Dont get me wrong, i'm not dissing the core values of either the quran nor the bible but all the jargons that surrounds them. For instance the bible and the quaran share many things in common and the most common thing that they share is what i will simply refer to as "propaganda". This type of written propaganda contains sublets like subliminal messages e.t.c (i'm not going to get into to that right now) And you all are exposing yourselves(souls) to it; imagine you are reading text that says day & night without end that you are worthless, you do not amount to anything, we are meant to be better than you, we are the chosen ones you can go and quench and you are not concerned with this but blindly sign your lives away. Sometimes i ask myself if many of you havent been exposed to hypnosis. We have given you all the evidence, all the proof that you are facing the wrong way; come back home. Respect your enviroment, respect your elders, respect your divinities, respect your household, respect your ancestors, respect your culture, respect your traditions, respect yourselves. All you want to do is argue over and embrace a form of philosophy that was used to enslave, kill, mame, violation, torture millions of people around the world. When you go to the movies, you choose to watch bruce-lee instead of brave-heart. Wake up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is NOW. Its time for black Africans to reclaim our rightfully deserved place on the world stage, Nigeria ruled the world centuries ago and we have all we need in our possession to repeat such feat. Wake-up, wake-up, snap out of this dream you are in. Wake-up; i beg of you, WAKE-UP Look at Brazil they are a super power now, Wake-up, wake-up, please wake-up, Wake up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is NOW.Wake up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is NOW.Wake up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is NOW.Wake up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is NOW.Wake up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is nigh, wake-up, wake-up the time is NOW. Snap out of this dream you are in and WAKE-UP. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 5:00pm On Oct 07, 2011 |
Africa is the cradle of humanity, civilization, philosophy, physical sciences, commerce, metarlurgy, agriculture, Pretty much all the core recipes of civility. The greatest mistake the war mongering crusaders made was assuming that if they attempted to get rid of the evidence of black African history then they'll be free to create it themselves. This assumption was admitedly witty but more importantly was always doomed for failure. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by tpia5: 8:03pm On Oct 07, 2011 |
@ topic in addition, was darkness also created, and when? ![]() |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Joagbaje(m): 4:58am On Oct 08, 2011 |
The Pre-Adamite World and Origin of Satan, a.k.a. Lucifer |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Joagbaje(m): 5:25am On Oct 08, 2011 |
I will come and address some issues raised here later. But the question we should ask ourselves, "WHEN DID LUCIFER REBELL?" before Eden or after.? |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by wetu: 4:01pm On Oct 08, 2011 |
tpia@:If you don't understand that there's no such thing as darkness, that darkness is the absence of light, you should not be taking part in a discussion at this level, I advise. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Sweetnecta: 4:17pm On Oct 08, 2011 |
can;t light be the absence of darkness, just as well? some see the cup half empty while others see it as half full. yet the wise do see the cup and whatever it contains useful. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by wetu: 5:52pm On Oct 08, 2011 |
Sweetnecta:Yes fools will always see what they want to see. Those who are full of contention will always argue the obvious. During the day my source of light is the sun. During the night my source of light is the light bulbs in my house. What is your source of darkness? Satan I guess? |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:05am On Oct 10, 2011 |
Joagbaje:None of the above. It was during Eden. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 4:33am On Jan 24, 2019*. Modified: 2:23am On Jan 25, 2019 |
The genesis story is not the first creation story, furthermore, the original creation story that the bible suppose to represent is in all reality ancient African. Neither the stories in the Bible or the Quaran can be seen as original and I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks that any of their text is or suppose to represent real history. Both books are a compilation of plagiarised and sexed-up text from Africa’s earlier civilisations. Sacred African text is responsible for much of what is contained in the Quaran and Christian Bible; and are written to address a particular audience. The African does not need to be taught the concept of God because it is the African that created such concept in the first place. All the foreign religions operating in Africa have something in common, they are all a bad copy of the original African text. In the original form, Africans depict themselves as rulers of the entire world. The Europeans came to Africa, stole her precious stones, copied her precious text, jumbled it up and created a Jesus story to help subjugate their crazy campaigns; i.e crusades & holy wars. The Arabs came to Africa, stole her precious stones, copied her precious text, jumbled it up and created Islam to help subjugate their crazy campaigns; i.e. crusades & holy wars. The early Christian & Islamic crusades are considered by modern day historians to be one of the deciding factors on how broken the world is today. Thousands of innocent people cut down at the end of the crusaders sword all in the name of Christianity or Islam. Most of the major holy wars ever fought in history are those fought between Christianity & Islam. Simulataneously, both these religions are credited with being a major distruption to realising the true African identity. The bible and the quaran make false and absurd claims that upon further examination have been proven to be false. The quaran is implicated by the bible. Most people have not actually read the entire bible. Something I’ve read in its entirety at least more than once and it is a fascinating book that contains various spiritual text. That isn’t the problem with the book, the problem with the bible and the quaran is that the aurthors forgot to tell the truth and had a total disregard of time & chronology. And buttered the original sacred text with erroneous and viscious insinuations that is meant to discriminate against the original authors. It has been proven that neither the bible nor the quaran can lay serious claim to originality. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 2:32pm On Jan 24, 2019 |
No, the bible’s genesis is not the first creation story. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by bingbagbo(op): 5:14pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
Amujale:Which is? |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Eze2000(m): 6:51pm On Mar 17, 2019 |
There were many things done before genesis..... https://www.kingreads.com/creation-vs-evolution-creationism/ ....
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| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by bingbagbo(op): 10:24am On Mar 18, 2019 |
Eze2000:Kindly get me a PDF link |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Eze2000(m): 10:48am On Mar 18, 2019 |
bingbagbo:I can download it for you but it will cost. The book is not free |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 12:50am On Mar 19, 2019*. Modified: 10:21am On Mar 25, 2019 |
bingbagbo:The genesis story is a bad copy of the original ancient Egyptian text. Its widely accepted that ancient Egyptian text is the source from which much of bible's genesis came about. Its important to note that the ancient Egyptians bear little or NO relations with the present day Egyptians. The current occupants of the land of KMT; the present day Egyptians are as a result of (yes you guessed correctly) an agressive invassion, history puts present day Egyptians in the region as of the 1920's. As in, indigenous Egyptians, also known as the Ancient Egyptians, also known as the people of KMT (Khemet) have been gradually virtually and steadily wiped out of existence by agressive foreign invaders going back to 800 B.C.E. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 9:40pm On Mar 19, 2019*. Modified: 2:05pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
Its further argued that the original ancient Egyptian text has its origin in even more older philosophies from all across the African continent. Plus, other cultures that existed during the later parrallel's to Africa's Pharoahonic period i.e Sumerian, Roman, Greek e.t.c all predate bible's genesis story. And as a result, have in their philosphy or concepts similar and more older versions of most those stories in genesis's bible. Basically, they number in their thousands, the philosophies and concepts that predate the writing of bible's genesis story. |
| Re: Is The Genesis Creation The First Ever Creation? by Amujale(m): 2:26pm On Mar 20, 2019*. Modified: 2:43pm On Mar 20, 2019 |
Moreover, The firsr ever creation story is Africa. Africa is THE creation story. All creation stories have one thing in common, that is now clear to everyone, they all refer to Africa. When God created humans it started in Africa. |
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will be found to have no genetic connection to any people living on the Earth today. Several examples of this evidence are presented in our section titled "Life Forms Prior to the Six Days of Creation," in which we also show when all life from the previous world perished.