On the science of Eugenics (Racial Hygiene) in Nazi Germany.

Justcool, M_Nwankwo, please comment.

Many thanks.

DeepSight:

On the science of Eugenics (Racial Hygiene) in Nazi Germany.

Justcool, M_Nwankwo, please comment.

Many thanks.

Wondering what you want to talk about it.

That said, I think it is morally wrong the way it was first envisioned since amongst the earliest eugenicists like Francis Galton, Mary Sanger etc felt blacks were of inferior stock mentally and physically (though particularly mentally) with respect to whites. That said, if by eugenics you mean breeding humans for improvement in some trait like speed or strength I don't think it is wrong depending on how and why one does so the context matters. I would argue BTW that passive eugenics has occurred where humans marrying and breeding on their own plus evolving to a particular environment has made them express certain traits more.

So West Africans genetically have more fast-twitch muscle fibres that give an edge for surviving wild animals in our jungle while part of Kenyans and Ethiopians have long legs, slim bodies thatgives them an edge in marathon races though it was adapted to the raised plains near the Rift valley that runs in East Africa.

UyiIredia:


Wondering what you want to talk about it.

That said, I think it is morally wrong the way it was first envisioned since amongst the earliest eugenicists like Francis Galton, Mary Sanger etc felt blacks were of inferior stock mentally and physically (though particularly mentally) with respect to whites. That said, if by eugenics you mean breeding humans for improvement in some trait like speed or strength I don't think it is wrong depending on how and why one does so the context matters. I would argue BTW that passive eugenics has occurred where humans marrying and breeding on their own plus evolving to a particular environment has made them express certain traits more.

So West Africans genetically have more fast-twitch muscle fibres that give an edge for surviving wild animals in our jungle while part of Kenyans and Ethiopians have long legs, slim bodies thatgives them an edge in marathon races though it was adapted to the raised plains near the Rift valley that runs in East Africa.

Thank you Uyi. Quite a while. How have you been. You must be old now. How are you preparing for your up coming 50th birthday.
I am wondering if for example, the Nazi idea of sterilizing some people to avoid them producing sick children can be justified.

DeepSight:


Thank you Uyi. Quite a while. How have you been. You must be old now. How are you preparing for your up coming 50th birthday.
I am wondering if for example, the Nazi idea of sterilizing some people to avoid them producing sick children can be justified.

Lol! It's well-intended but I think since tampers with human rights in a way is wrong when one weighs pros and cons. Stupid as it SEEMS humans should be given that leeway to have sick kids moreso when you consider possible misuse.

DeepSight:

On the science of Eugenics (Racial Hygiene) in Nazi Germany.

Justcool, M_Nwankwo, please comment.

Many thanks.

@DeepSight! Longest time!!!

The science of Eugenics is not justifiable in anyway because they proceed only from the physical bases, taking only the physical body into account.

It is right to encourage healthy living so as to achieve healthy physical bodies, it is also right to encourage racial purity. However, the belief that humanity will be free of genetic diseases by forcibly allowing only the physically fit to breed is wrong and stems from the Eugenicist’s ignorance of science and laws of creation.

Two very healthy people, who are free from any form of genetic defect, can produce an unhealthy offspring with genetic disorders.

Viewd from above, from the right perspective, one realizes that in this school we call the world of matter, some pupils need to experience a lifetime or lifetimes of unhealthy having unhealthy physical bodies to aid their spiritual development.

And in so many cases having such unhealthy or genetically-defective bodies is a reciprocal reaction from past mistakes. Hence, as long as there are pupils who need such bodies for development and as long as there are some pupils who have to experience such bodies as reactions from past mistakes, there will always be unhealthy or genetically defective bodies on earth. Mankind cannot prevent it through selective breeding.

A total repentance of mankind, which will in time result to nobody having such a karma as requiring a diseased body, will actually be far more effective than Eugenics. But this is hardly possible, because taking the question of free will into account, there will always be some taking wrong paths.

Knowing how much you already know, there is no need going deeply into it and extending this post.

Thanks and remain blessed.

The real problem as I see it is difficult to stop it from becoming a tool of segregation, prejudice and domination. Even you focused on breeding positively you will end up with a much more superior stock of humans than the general population. We don't have super humans yet but look at how we treat celebrities. There is no doubt in my mind that such a stock of humans will be put on such a high pedestal it will become inevitable for the calls for them to be in charge of the world. Which will lead to dissent and maybe war or at least fighting.

The only way something like improvement of the stock of humanity can be less controversial is if such improvements are available to all, the way plastic surgery is available to all but with less of a financial or cultural barrier.

I for one think it is inevitable that humans will seek to improve our genetic stock (and we will do it at some point I bet on it), after all is that not what we predict will happen with true AI?

Eugenics was most likely practiced in ancient times which explains why we have horse, goat, bull and scorpion gods (fallen angels). Humans (except Noah) in those days may have experimented with that sort of eugenics.

The fallen angels were eventually killed or driven underground in the global flood.




“the sons of men in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals.” - Jasher Chapter 4:18.

justcool:


@DeepSight! Longest time!!!

Many greetings sire!

it is also right to encourage racial purity.

This leapt out at me. I believe I have asked you before, and I believe you may have answered, but memory fails me: does this above suggest that inter-racial marriages are somewhat unwholesome?

DeepSight:


Many greetings sire!



This leapt out at me. I believe I have asked you before, and I believe you may have answered, but memory fails me: does this above suggest that inter-racial marriages are somewhat unwholesome?

@DeepSight

Thanks for your question. I remember we once discussed this issue, and I can share my perception again which remains the same. Usually I would have answered without much ado, but recent experiences have deepened my perception and hence I much proceed carefully in order to avoid being misunderstood or leading ourselves astray. I must have you, first define what you mean by race. The word race today is one of the most ambiguous words; it could mean so many things, from nationality, ethnicity, skin color, to culture. Hence when we talk about race, one could be talking about one thing, while the other is talking about another.

Let me know what you mean by race before I continue. While I await your reply, I can only say this: Love and harmony should be the basses for all marriages. Wherever either of the two is lacking, there the peace which is very important for spiritual unfolding can hardly be maintained. Hence, not only love should be considered but harmony too; harmony all the way from spiritual qualities(personal qualities) to physical characteristics.

For spiritual harmony, the two individuals do not necessarily have to have the same qualities(or virtues) or characters, their characters only have to be complimentary. Since man and woman are split species, they can only embody spiritual qualities in parts which need to unite in their working for harmony to arise. And these parts (qualities or characters) often appear as opposites hence people observed that "opposites attract." A woman, for example who has the gift of gab (has a way with words and likes to talk a lot) will find harmony with a man who likes to listen, and not one necessarily one who also like to talk a lot. However this law of opposites is only true in regards to split species found in creation. Above creation we find beings that carry whole, not split species.

For physical/earthly harmony, two people from very different environments or culture may find it difficult to achieve harmony. Two people from very distant and non-complimentary culture may find it difficult achieve a healthy marriage. You must have heard the term, 'Culture shocks' experienced by people who travel to a cultural environment different from their own. Sometimes cultural differences can be so unsettling and a source of annoyance, making the much needed peace impossible to arise.

As you already know, that which is spiritual carries the most weight in creation. Hence, being complimentary spiritually is more important than being complimentary at the physical level. However, as long as we are wearing physical bodies and are still on earth, one must take the physical also into consideration too. Otherwise the disturbance/annoyance stemming from physical disharmony can make peace impossible which will then hinder spiritual development.

Thanks and remain blessed.

justcool:


@DeepSight

Thanks for your question. I remember we once discussed this issue, and I can share my perception again which remains the same. Usually I would have answered without much ado, but recent experiences have deepened my perception and hence I much proceed carefully in order to avoid being misunderstood or leading ourselves astray. I must have you, first define what you mean by race. The word race today is one of the most ambiguous words; it could mean so many things, from nationality, ethnicity, skin color, to culture. Hence when we talk about race, one could be talking about one thing, while the other is talking about another.

Let me know what you mean by race before I continue. While I await your reply, I can only say this: Love and harmony should be the basses for all marriages. Wherever either of the two is lacking, there the peace which is very important for spiritual unfolding can hardly be maintained. Hence, not only love should be considered but harmony too; harmony all the way from spiritual qualities(personal qualities) to physical characteristics.

For spiritual harmony, the two individuals do not necessarily have to have the same qualities(or virtues) or characters, their characters only have to be complimentary. Since man and woman are split species, they can only embody spiritual qualities in parts which need to unite in their working for harmony to arise. And these parts (qualities or characters) often appear as opposites hence people observed that "opposites attract." A woman, for example who has the gift of gab (has a way with words and likes to talk a lot) will find harmony with a man who likes to listen, and not one necessarily one who also like to talk a lot. However this law of opposites is only true in regards to split species found in creation. Above creation we find beings that carry whole, not split species.

For physical/earthly harmony, two people from very different environments or culture may find it difficult to achieve harmony. Two people from very distant and non-complimentary culture may find it difficult achieve a healthy marriage. You must have heard the term, 'Culture shocks' experienced by people who travel to a cultural environment different from their own. Sometimes cultural differences can be so unsettling and a source of annoyance, making the much needed peace impossible to arise.

As you already know, that which is spiritual carries the most weight in creation. Hence, being complimentary spiritually is more important than being complimentary at the physical level. However, as long as we are wearing physical bodies and are still on earth, one must take the physical also into consideration too. Otherwise the disturbance/annoyance stemming from physical disharmony can make peace impossible which will then hinder spiritual development.

Thanks and remain blessed.

By race I refer to human races as distinguished by physical appearance primarily skin color. So Caucasians, Negroids,Arabs, Indians, Oriental, etc.

DeepSight:


By race I refer to human races as distinguished by physical appearance primarily skin color. So Caucasians, Negroids,Arabs, Indians, Oriental, etc.

One does not have to have the same physical appearance with his partner, neither do they have to have the same skin color. Almost among all different peoples of the earth, there is a gamut of skin color. There are Igbos that have light skin as well as those have of dark skin; this does not mean that they are of different races, nor is it as a result of mixture as it is often erroneously thought. My grandmother's skin was as light as that of the average European, yet she was a full fledged Igbo woman; she was neither mixed nor had she ever bleached her skin. It would be wrong for a very dark complexioned Igbo man to regard her as being of a different race or refuse to marry her just based on her skin color.

One should really stay away of the terms Negroids, Caucasians, etc as these are pseudo terms that has no scientific or any real basses. They are also not consistent with skin color, as there are dark complexioned Caucasians, just as there are light complexions negros. Centuries ago the word race was used to justify colonialism or slavery; as people thought that those of different races are of different genome, a totally different species. This makes it easier for people to colonize and rule over there neighbors. The Nazi for example thought that the so called negroes and Jews were less human than the German Aryan. Anthropologically the term race developed for grouping and analyzing human populations based certain outward characteristics like skull shape. In which case, Arabs, Indians and Europeans belong to the Caucasian classification as well as northern Africans, even dark complexioned Ethiopians and Eritreans. Hence one cannot marry just based on being a Caucasian. Two Caucasians can come from two very different cultures, even have very different skin colors.

As with all that fell on the shoulders of the human spirit, the races did not develop as they should have. After the evolution of the physical body by the animistic, the spiritual took over to (1), make the bodies purely human, i.e. a closer representation of the spirits bodies above the world of matter, and (2) evolve into different races; each race swinging predominantly in a particular radiation, just as it is above. The human spirits achieved the first task; hence we have human bodies today very distinct in look from the animal's bodies. To achieve this the human spirit germs only needed to wear the physical body and radiate through it. The spirits radiation being spiritual has a grate evolving effect on the physical body; hence in a few decades of the spirits incarnating into the physical bodies, the bodies evolved, bearing almost greater resembles the spiritual bodies above than the animal bodies that it was derived from. To develop into races, early humanity needed to listen to animistic beings as they despaired and mated. Pockets of human were guided to different environments so as to, in adapting to the different environments, evolve the different races. As each environment or continent swings predominantly in a different radiation, and hence has a different climate. In adapting to their environments, after thousands of years humans would develop different outward physical characteristics, each as a result of the environment that nurtured it. Example: Europeans(the humans that were lead to settle in Europe by the animistic beings) should be adapted to Europe which will give them distinct physical characteristics from the Americans who in adapting to the American environment should look different from the European. These is how the races should have formed. Everything started to develop in the right matter, in the early years of the incarnation of men of earth, however, before the development could be completed a terrible event happened, the fall of man. From then, mankind lost the connection the guidance of the animistic, and everything started developing wrongly. Vain curiosity and greed came in, which drove men to every part of the earth; and lust drove them into mating unrestrictedly with one another. Hence the races never truly came into being they should have.

This happening is reflected in the biblical story of Adam and Eve, which was pictorial rendition of actual events. Adam and Eve were placed in a garden where they should have lived happily and in harmony with their environment. This is rendition of how different pockets of early humans were lead to different parts of the earth to develop. However after falling into temptation, in time greed came in and drove Cain to kill Able. And consequently coin wondered off and married a strange woman(who was not of Adam's linage, ie not from the same gather) and begot kids. Hence after the fall of man, greed and all kinds of evil came in causing humans wonder of off their environments and started mating unrestrictedly. The fact that in the story, Cain married a woman that could not have come from Adam(which has baffled many who have taken the story literally) shows that there are other gardens as well, which had pockets of humans too. If the pocket/group of people (pictorially depicted as Ada and Eve) did not fail, they would have remained in isolation and in harmony with their environment, and evolved into a pure race. As side note: Adam and Eve were actually the progenitors(a group of people) of the Jewish race, which like all races didn't come into being in purity.

The different races would have eventually come in contact with each other, at the right time, after each have become a pure race, each representing one of the components of the radiations of God, or predominantly swinging in a particular radiation. At this point they would have also attained some spiritual knowledge, hence they would have stood side by side like the keys of the Piano, only mingling in certain pattern that creates harmony and not mating around wildly in confusion. Just as with music, jamming on all the keys without any pattern only produces noise! To make music, the musician must be knowledgeable enough to know how to mix the keys to create music.

Hence in choosing a marriage partner, one has to in prayer and in all seriousness (1) pay strict attention to his conscience, (2) seek within one's culture or a closely related one. I'd rather use the word culture than race, seeing what the world is today.

Thanks remain blessed.

DeepSight:

On the science of Eugenics (Racial Hygiene) in Nazi Germany.

Justcool, M_Nwankwo, please comment.

Many thanks.

Hello Deepsight. Long time! Hope you are fine. Just saw your question on eugenics. Eugenics in whatever form contradicts the love and justice of GOD. Justcool has thrown sufficient explanation on the issue and I agree with his submission. Thus there is no point in repeating what he said in different words. Stay blessed.

DeepSight:


Thank you Uyi. Quite a while. How have you been. You must be old now. How are you preparing for your up coming 50th birthday.
I am wondering if for example, the Nazi idea of sterilizing some people to avoid them producing sick children can be justified.

You should be preparing for your 100th

DeepSight:

On the science of Eugenics (Racial Hygiene) in Nazi Germany.

Justcool, M_Nwankwo, please comment.

Many thanks.

Eugenics was always doomed to fail.

justcool:


The different races would have eventually come in contact with each other, at the right time, after each have become a pure race, each representing one of the components of the radiations of God, or predominantly swinging in a particular radiation. At this point they would have also attained some spiritual knowledge, hence they would have stood side by side like the keys of the Piano, only mingling in certain pattern that creates harmony and not mating around wildly in confusion.

Happy New Year Justcool.
I just read once again what you submitted above.
Would you then say, that if the different races came into contact at the right time per your theorization above, after each race had become a pure race, it would then be okay in your view for different races to mix sexually and procreate?