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[quote author=5thElement post=75813348][/quote]My brother even Peter, the first Pope, had a wife. I thank God that circumstances have now made the church to start thinking of solution. It's not cast in stone that one must be celibate. Tb Joshua and other mighty men of God have wives. biologically, it's not possible. What I know is that for certain spiritual exercises, they abstain from women. But say to live like cavemen forming holy holy whereas they dieing in silence, is the height of foolery.
Am not arguing with you oo, this is my opinion and am entitled to it. so you may choose not to reply. Thank you

It's high time the rule on celibacy is reviewed by the Catholic Church..some church doctrines should be reviewed with realities on ground...

The guy no commit any crime nah ; una go Dey treat bishop like say dem no get d**k or blood for body . Abeg body no be firewood

Christianity?

lesson: nothing is hidding under D sun, @ 88 dat he supposed to b xpecting death or enjoying his retirement. chai.
100％ support,, its true dat u can serve God in many ways. But if u choose to b a catholic priest, celibacy is a law which u have to keep.

Zoharariel:
You're correct. Since there are no Paedophiles in the Church or amongst the Christians; the FG should impose tax on all the Churches & dissolve CAN for using the private jet of its former President (Ayo Oritsejafor) to smuggle arms from South Afrika.

https://secure.saharareporters.com/2014/09/15/arms-smuggling-jet-caught-10million-south-africa-linked-can-president-ayo-oritsejafor

If Jesus Christ whom you emulate in your fraudulent preaching of the gospel could pay his tax, then you have no excuse whatsoever not to comply.

Matthew 17:24–27

24 When Jesus and the others arrived in Capernaum, the collectors for the temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the temple tax?”

25 “Yes, he does,” Peter answered.
After they had returned home, Jesus went up to Peter and asked him, “Simon, what do you think? Do the kings of this earth collect taxes and fees from their own people or from foreigners?”

26 Peter answered, “From foreigners.” Jesus replied, “Then their own people[b] don’t have to pay.

27 But we don’t want to cause trouble. So go cast a line into the lake and pull out the first fish you hook. Open its mouth, and you will find a coin. Use it to pay your taxes and mine.”

As you can see from this scripture above, Jesus Christ humbled himself by paying his taxes without putting up any resistance, and so, all the Pentecostal, Catholic & other denominations should follow in the footsteps of Jesus Christ - by paying their taxes to the Government, else their monies should be confiscated & assets nationalized.

Before you tag me a muslim or a terrorist, go through my posts!

I meant that similar should also be done Islam, I wasn't condemning any religion?

busar:
the topic is about the cardinal not Emir.. Why not condemn the act and stop attacking others who were not mentioned?

I meant that similar should also be done Islam, I wasn't condemning any religion?

verifiablefacts:
and you think that'll remedy the effect of what this fake cardinals are doing to little boys?or you think it is a war between cardinals and emirs?
A bad is bad it doesn't matter who commit it.

So remove that dust and grow up.

I meant that similar should also be done Islam, I wasn't condemning any religion?

Eroms4life17:
My brother even Peter, the first Pope, had a wife. I thank God that circumstances have now made the church to start thinking of solution. It's not cast in stone that one must be celibate. Tb Joshua and other mighty men of God have wives. biologically, it's not possible. What I know is that for certain spiritual exercises, they abstain from women. But say to live like cavemen forming holy holy whereas they dieing in silence, is the height of foolery.
Am not arguing with you oo, this is my opinion and am entitled to it. so you may choose not to reply. Thank you

I will surely respond as we all learn daily.

Peter had a wife, so did some of the first Popes. It might interest you to know that Catholics of the EASTERN RITES aren't mandated to be celibate to become or remain priests. In other words, Catholic priests of the eastern rites are allowed to get married.

What we are mostly used to is the WESTERN RITES. Both eastern and western rites are the same branch of the one Catholic Church.

That being said, there is a difference between doctrines and practices of the Catholic church.

Believing that Jesus is God is a doctrine, that ordained ministers like priests and bishops aren't allowed to. get married is a practice.

The difference? Practices can change, doctrines cannot.

The question is, will abolishing celibacy for priests of the western rites help them to be more fafaithful to their call?

I think not. Even married men cheat on their spouses, don't they? Fathers abuse their daughters, uncles rape their nieces, aunties, their nephews etc.

As a matter of fact, a child is most at danger oif being sexually abused by an older relative than by a priest of the Catholic church.

The problem that the West and those of us affiliated to the west (i.e their colonies and allies) are suffering from is an over enhanced sense of sex and sexual gratification.

Spiritual growth is attained more speedily when you refrain from all forms of sex and orgasms.

Someone who is involved in or is a student of mystical Christianity will bear witness to the truth of this.


The eastern religious schools place more emphasis on the benefits of sexual abstinence.


Don't get me wrong. Sex is beautifully delicious and necessary for procreation. So not all of us can practice continence... for now.


When you come to the full realization that you are a god (not God) in your own right, sexual excitement loses its lustre and shininess and you'll be distracted with attaining loftier spiritual growth and powers, which is the position all Catholic priests are expected to be, hence the shock when we hear of sexual molestation etc.

5thElement:
I will surely respond as we all learn daily.

Peter had a wife, so did some of the first Popes. It might interest you to know that Catholics of the EASTERN RITES aren't mandated to be celibate to become or remain priests. In other words, Catholic priests of the eastern rites are allowed to get married.

What we are mostly used to is the WESTERN RITES. Both eastern and western rites are the same branch of the one Catholic Church.

That being said, there is a difference between doctrines and practices of the Catholic church.

Believing that Jesus is God is a doctrine, that ordained ministers like priests and bishops aren't allowed to. get married is a practice.

The difference? Practices can change, doctrines cannot.

The question is, will abolishing celibacy for priests of the western rites help them to be more fafaithful to their call?

I think not. Even married men cheat on their spouses, don't they? Fathers abuse their daughters, uncles rape their nieces, aunties, their nephews etc.

As a matter of fact, a child is most at danger oif being sexually abused by an older relative than by a priest of the Catholic church.

The problem that the West and those of us affiliated to the west (i.e their colonies and allies) are suffering from is an over enhanced sense of sex and sexual gratification.

Spiritual growth is attained more speedily when you refrain from all forms of sex and orgasms.

Someone who is involved in or is a student of mystical Christianity will bear witness to the truth of this.


The eastern religious schools place more emphasis on the benefits of sexual abstinence.


Don't get me wrong. Sex is beautifully delicious and necessary for procreation. So not all of us can practice continence... for now.


When you come to the full realization that you are a god (not God) in your own right, sexual excitement loses its lustre and shininess and you'll be distracted with attaining loftier spiritual growth and powers, which is the position all Catholic priests are expected to be, hence the shock when we hear of sexual molestation etc.

I like this. Straight to the point. May I ask if you are a Catholic priest or seminarian?

Alexandro15:
I like this. Straight to the point. May I ask if you are a Catholic priest or seminarian?

I am a catholic lay person always searching for the truth.

Lolzzzz......
Konji na badt guy.

Kamxin:
The world's oldest surviving institution should be disbanded?

Can you give me the name of your church, so I can check if the founder is older than the cardinal.

I remember the Pharisees being much older than Jesus Christ. Is it the age of the church that determines how biblically justified its policies are or by conformity with the holy scriptures?

dingbang:
type with sense next time. The catholic church is not your mate and is a build up of many people including the laity and not just priests! This is a case against an appointed cardinal and not the entire catholic church.

u dey mind am.if it was one pentencostal church in nigeria now and a senior pastor was involved in a sex scandal they will bury d case and be shouting touch not my anionted!

When will they expel the ones in Nigeria that Are bust fuckin girls in their parish?

[quote author=5thElement post=75813348][/quote]Milingo was not the founder of catholic charismatic movement.

GidiWoodsMan:
Milingo was not the founder of catholic charismatic movement.

Who was?

SiobhanMeadow:
He should pay for his crimes.
The catholic church needs to allow these men to marry so that they would stop abusing young boys.Any found guilty should face the music.

The Catholic Church does not force anyone to take the oath of celibacy...
You either decide to or decide not.

Y'ALL BLAME WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.

5thElement:
Who was?

Ralph Keifer

DavidEsq:
I remember the Pharisees being much older than Jesus Christ. Is it the age of the church that determines how biblically justified its policies are or by conformity with the holy scriptures?

Well as a matter of fact the Pharisees practiced Judaism not Christianity.

I guess the older the church, the more authentic it is.

That means the oldest church is most likely to be the most authentic especially if it can trace its roots and origin back to the apostles mentioned in the Bible.

According to public secular records, the first leader of the church was Peter, then Linus was the second pope followed by Cletus also known as Anacletus. And so on...

You can find this information in any public library.

When you say conformity with the scriptures, what do you mean? All christian dominations will tell you they preach in conformity with the bible, yet they all preach very different things. Some believe in female pastors and ministers, others don't. Some believe in covering the head for the ladies, others don't. Some observe Sabbath on Saturday, others on Sunday. Some celebrate Christmas and Easter, other don't. Some believe Jesus is God, others don't.

So what's the standard?

GidiWoodsMan:
Ralph Keifer

Oh yes. You are actually very correct. My bad.

rentAcock:
Seriously at this point the Catholic church should be disbanded. The church has become a joke, you have fathers molesting little boys. It just goes to show that no matter how hard you try to suppress your libido, its impossible. These guys have to ease the built up sexual tensions and sometimes the easiest and most vulnerable targets are little kids. Its' just sad.

Go and disband it na.... What are you waiting for? as if it's not in our society at large... Only you get mouth, talk. It happens both in schools, Churches, Mosques , homes etc, Mr. Disband, disband the earth.
You talk with out your brain!

dingbang:
type with sense next time. The catholic church is not your mate and is a build up of many people including the laity and not just priests! This is a case against an appointed cardinal and not the entire catholic church.

I should not have waisted typing or quoting that brainless head if I had read yours. He just made statements with words that he doesn't even know the meaning. When it comes to Catholic, the world will open their mouth! I pray the church resolves all these...

themanderon:
Yepa!!! This old man looking so innocent soliciting for sex kwa How will he do it?

The offence happened over half a century ago. The priest must have been in his 30s at the time. But what I don't understand is if the accused was given adequate defense and what evidence was used to nail him since the alleged crime was committed over 50years ago.

Truefaith:
God, in 1 Timothy 4:1-3, says the doctrine of celibacy is from Satan.

The late father Charles Chiniquy wrote that more than 97% of Catholic priests in his time were fornicators, adulterers and homosexuals. Most of the nunneries were - and still are - worse than brothels. Many of them were - and are -murderers of unborn babies and illegitimate children.

A good number of the popes were sons of 'celibate' popes.

Between God and the Devil, every lost person instinctively chooses the Devil: who do you choose?

The Roman Catholic Church, from the day of Constantine, has been the headquarters of Satan.

www.thetruechristianfaith.com/2016/09/23/are-you-a-catholic/

Its people like you use scriptures to deceive others! Just imagine the manner you misinterpret the above Bible ref you have just because you have no good knowledge of the Bible. Shame on you. Go and seek for forgiveness as even pagans are better than you. That's the reason we have fake pastors everywhere...

LiveByNight:
Good the sultan of sokoto should remove some emirs, sheiks and alfas here in Nigeria , they are pedophiles

Zoharariel
The bible warned about these people. The Bible said they would forbid people to get married.

When you try to alter what God has made normal for a man by telling him to serve as a minister (from the young age at which he starts) he must say goodbye to sex, you can expect all these things to happen.

God said go and multiply.

They said don't marry.

How will these things not happen?


What we see in the public is only a tip of the iceberg, with regards to what happens behind closed doors, and the psychological pain and struggle these catholic ministers silently go through
all their lives

5thElement:
Well as a matter of fact the Pharisees practiced Judaism not Christianity.

I guess the older the church, the more authentic it is.

That means the oldest church is most likely to be the most authentic especially if it can trace its roots and origin back to the apostles mentioned in the Bible.

According to public secular records, the first leader of the church was Peter, then Linus was the second pope followed by Cletus also known as Anacletus. And so on...

You can find this information in any public library.

When you say conformity with the scriptures, what do you mean? All christian dominations will tell you they preach in conformity with the bible, yet they all preach very different things. Some believe in female pastors and ministers, others don't. Some believe in covering the head for the ladies, others don't. Some observe Sabbath on Saturday, others on Sunday. Some celebrate Christmas and Easter, other don't. Some believe Jesus is God, others don't.

So what's the standard?

Since the Pharisees practised Judaism, wasn't Jesus a jew? The standard is the Holy scriptures. Why are there diversity in beliefs in the scriptures? The answer is not far fetched. In Romans 10:2-4 it says thus:
"For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge. 3 For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God".
So wat exactly is the righteousness of God? 2 Timothy 3:16 says:
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work".
If therefore there are diversities in beliefs among Christians, is there diversity in the scriptures? No! The reason for diversity is failure of so called Christians to agree with the scriptures, which is the only standard by which God rules us. Some Christians believe in hell, life after death, rapture, 666 as a physical mark given to non-raptured Christians, worship of Mary, the cross, rosaries, etc. Does th bible teach or support these? Rather than look at the scriptures, we look at personalities of "pastors", scintillating stories, visions, etc. Not minding if these are contrary to the scriptures. No wonder Jesus said that the truth belongs to children. U know who children are? Learning minds. Not minds stiffened with blind doctrines. I encourage u to find dis truth.

5thElement:
I will surely respond as we all learn daily.

Peter had a wife, so did some of the first Popes. It might interest you to know that Catholics of the EASTERN RITES aren't mandated to be celibate to become or remain priests. In other words, Catholic priests of the eastern rites are allowed to get married.

What we are mostly used to is the WESTERN RITES. Both eastern and western rites are the same branch of the one Catholic Church.

That being said, there is a difference between doctrines and practices of the Catholic church.

Believing that Jesus is God is a doctrine, that ordained ministers like priests and bishops aren't allowed to. get married is a practice.

The difference? Practices can change, doctrines cannot.

The question is, will abolishing celibacy for priests of the western rites help them to be more fafaithful to their call?

I think not. Even married men cheat on their spouses, don't they? Fathers abuse their daughters, uncles rape their nieces, aunties, their nephews etc.

As a matter of fact, a child is most at danger oif being sexually abused by an older relative than by a priest of the Catholic church.

The problem that the West and those of us affiliated to the west (i.e their colonies and allies) are suffering from is an over enhanced sense of sex and sexual gratification.

Spiritual growth is attained more speedily when you refrain from all forms of sex and orgasms.

Someone who is involved in or is a student of mystical Christianity will bear witness to the truth of this.


The eastern religious schools place more emphasis on the benefits of sexual abstinence.


Don't get me wrong. Sex is beautifully delicious and necessary for procreation. So not all of us can practice continence... for now.


When you come to the full realization that you are a god (not God) in your own right, sexual excitement loses its lustre and shininess and you'll be distracted with attaining loftier spiritual growth and powers, which is the position all Catholic priests are expected to be, hence the shock when we hear of sexual molestation etc.

I agree with this position apt