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HERE IS A MOMENT WHERE A GOD TOLD A MAN TO LIE TO HIS FELLOW MAN.

1 Samuel 6: 2 & 3.

2. But Samuel said, How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me. The LORD said, Take a heifer with you and say, I have come to sacrifice to the LORD.

3. Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.”

HERE IS A GOD'S SON TELLING SOME GROUP OF MEN THAT WHOEVER LIES BELONG TO THEIR FATHER 'THE DEVIL' THAT DEVIL IS THE FATHER OF LIES.


John 8: 44

You belong to your father, the
devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Goodmorning victorian and tatime

NB: If you read the book of Samuel from the begining, the goal was for Samuel to go and anoint Jesse's son 'David' as a new king of Israel.

Samuel was afraid to go because of the existing kning 'Saul'.

God told him to tell Saul that he was going to make sacrifice.

What a conning God? Smh..

GreatResearcher:
NB: If you read the book of Samuel from the begining, the goal was for Samuel to go and anoint Jesse's son 'David' as a new king of Israel.

Samuel was afraid to go because of the existing kning 'Saul'.

God told him to tell Saul that he was going to make sacrifice.

What a conning God? Smh..

You this man, Mr James Bond have started again with your Easter egg hunts, huh?
1/ Did Samuel take a heifer with him to sacrifice or not?
2/ Where is the conning or lying, if Samuel took a heifer with him to sacrifice then?

MuttleyLaff:
You this man, Mr James Bond have started again with your Easter egg hunts, huh?
1/ Did Samuel take a heifer with him to sacrifice or not?
2/ Where is the conning or lying, if Samuel took a heifer with him to sacrifice then?

You theists don't want to think why?
The objective/goal of Samuel embarking on that journey was to anoint David as the new king.

He was afraid becus he feels when the existing king hears of it he will kill him.

God told him to go with a heifer and when he's being asked, he should say that he came to make sacrifice to the lord.

To make it more convincing he told him to invite some people there.


Now to ur question.

Yes, Samuel went with a heifer.
But was his mission there to sacrifice? No. His mission was to anoint David as king.

He only went there with the heifer in case Saul sees him, he will think he comes to make sacrifice.

Why did God tell him to lie to Saul that he is going there to make sacrifice when his mission was to anoint David?

GreatResearcher:
HERE IS A MOMENT WHERE A GOD TOLD A MAN TO LIE TO HIS FELLOW MAN.

1 Samuel 6: 2 & 3.

2. But Samuel said, How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me. The LORD said, Take a heifer with you and say, I have come to sacrifice to the LORD.

3. Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.”

HERE IS A GOD'S SON TELLING SOME GROUP OF MEN THAT WHOEVER LIES BELONG TO THEIR FATHER 'THE DEVIL' THAT DEVIL IS THE FATHER OF LIES.


John 8: 44

You belong to your father, the
devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You just quoted verse 3, invite Jesse to the sacrifice.

There was a sacrifice.

GreatResearcher:
You theists don't want to think why?
The objective/goal of Samuel embarking on that journey was to anoint David as the new king.

He was afraid becus he feels when the existing king hears of it he will kill him.

God told him to go with a heifer and when he's being asked, he should say that he came to make sacrifice to the lord.

To make it more convincing he told him to invite some people there.

Now to ur question.

Yes, Samuel went with a heifer.
But was his mission there to sacrifice? No. His mission was to anoint David as king.

He only went there with the heifer in case Saul sees him, he will think he comes to make sacrifice.

Why did God tell him to lie to Saul that he is going there to make sacrifice when his mission was to anoint David?

GreatResearcher, Mr James Bond, on a mission impossible, you wont win this frivolous and lacking seriousness thought in a sane court of the land because the judge will first ask you whether or not Samuel took a heifer with him to sacrifice, before then throwing you and the case out of court.

Now you need to understand that Samuel need not tell all the truth, unless to those who have a right to know it all, King Saul lost that right to know the whole truth because he will commit murder with knowledge of the whole truth if given

GreatResearcher:
HERE IS A MOMENT WHERE A GOD TOLD A MAN TO LIE TO HIS FELLOW MAN.

1 Samuel 6: 2 & 3.

2. But Samuel said, How can I go? If Saul hears about it, he will kill me. The LORD said, Take a heifer with you and say, I have come to sacrifice to the LORD.

3. Invite Jesse to the sacrifice, and I will show you what to do. You are to anoint for me the one I indicate.”

HERE IS A GOD'S SON TELLING SOME GROUP OF MEN THAT WHOEVER LIES BELONG TO THEIR FATHER 'THE DEVIL' THAT DEVIL IS THE FATHER OF LIES.


John 8: 44

You belong to your father, the
devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

why are u fooling ur self this early morning? where did God told him to Lie? there must be a sacrifice before one could be pronounced a king.......God only told him not to give his primary reason of going there.......

just like when Saul uncle's asked him the discussion that he had with prophet Samuel, the bible said that he told him everything but hid the matter of being king to him.......does that now make God a liar?

just like me going to the bank and also at the market, then u asked where am I going to, I can decide to tell u bank, or market.....I must not mention the two places.....does that now make me a liar?

GreatResearcher:
Goodmorning victorian and tatime

Goodmorning

You're on a roll, sir. Your streak is amazing.

Samuel was commanded to go and anoint David as King. And to sacrifice a heifer.

Jesse and his sons were to be invited to the sacrifice where one of them would also be anointed as king over Israel.

Of course this is not a lie at all. And if it isn't, what really would you do when you learn that there are situations in which God actually sanctions and pleasantly rewards deception?

soulpeppersoup:
You just quoted verse 3, invite Jesse to the sacrifice.

There was a sacrifice.

If there was a sacfrice, that sacfrice was bore out of the fact that it was a means to mislead Saul.

GreatResearcher:
If there was a sacfrice, that sacfrice was bore out of the fact that it was a means to mislead Saul.

No Mr James Bond, the sacrifice was born out of the fact that Samuel was given a valid and true excuse since he was afraid to obey God without one, all because if Saul knew the whole truth, he will murder Samuel and so thereafter have an innocent man dead in cold blood

PSTEMMA1960:
why are u fooling ur self this early morning? where did God told him to Lie? there must be a sacrifice before one could be pronounced a king.......God only told him not to give his primary reason of going there.......

just like when Saul uncle's asked him the discussion that he had with prophet Samuel, the bible said that he told him everything but hid the matter of being king to him.......does that now make God a liar?

just like me going to the bank and also at the market, then u asked where am I going to, I can decide to tell u bank, or market.....I must not mention the two places.....does that now make me a liar?

so why didnt God tell Samuel to carry a heifer and make a sacfrice when he wanted to anoint Saul as king?

MuttleyLaff:
GreatResearcher, Mr James Bond, on a mission impossible, you wont win this frivolous and lacking seriousness thought in a sane court of the land because the judge will first ask you whether or not Samuel took a heifer with him to sacrifice, before then throwing you and the case out of court.

Now you need to understand that Samuel need not tell all the truth, unless to those who have a right to know it all, King Saul lost that right to know the whole truth because he will commit murder with knowledge of the whole truth if given

How would he 'god' feels if Saul hid the truth from him by not telling him he took the spoils of the war?

MuttleyLaff:
No Mr James Bond, the sacrifice was born out of the fact that Samuel was given a valid and true excuse since he was afraid to obey God without one, all because if Saul knew the whole truth, he will murder Samuel and so thereafter have an innocent man dead in cold blood

so if one is afraid to obey or carry out god's instructions, a sacfrice should be made?

And was god not able to protect Samuel from a mare mortal like Saul?

Did he have to use a sacfrice?

So what's the point of this entire thread?

GreatResearcher:
How would he 'god' feels if Saul hid the truth from him by not telling him he took the spoils of the war?

No one has the right, has no right to hide anything from God

GreatResearcher:
And was god not able to protect Samuel from a mare mortal like Saul?

Did he have to use a sacfrice?

Everyone know God prefers obedience better than sacrifice, but in this case, we can see how accomodating and understanding God is with Samuel, that instead of being angry or throwing the book at Samuel, rather God, found a way round the problem Samuel was having to obey God's instruction and this gave him courage, strengthened and toughen him up, to be bold and go about the business God asked him to do.

GreatResearcher:
And was god not able to protect Samuel from a mare mortal like Saul?

Of course, you and I know God will protect Samuel from a mere mortal like Saul, but Samuel, the prophet and priest of God for some weird reason, at that moment of weakness, wasnt buying any of this idea

GreatResearcher:
Did he have to use a sacfrice?

Why not, why not use sacrifice?
What is wrong in God was protecting a scared prophet from the hands of a confirmed mentally unstable king, by creating a sacrifice cover story that actually is authentic, huh? Afterall, Samuel usually and oftens comes to the city for sacrifices anyway

ElsonMorali:
So what's the point of this entire thread?

There is no point. Dont you know, this is Mr James Bond, on a mission that's impossible. GreatResearcher, Mr Bond, giving in and yielding to being a tool and right now, has increasingly become a tool that doesn't even know its being used. He hasnt got better things to do with his time other than all this, so his idle hands becomes the devil's tools and workshop

GreatResearcher:
so why didnt God tell Samuel to carry a heifer and make a sacfrice when he wanted to anoint Saul as king?

GreatResearcher:
so why didnt God tell Samuel to carry a heifer and make a sacfrice when he wanted to anoint Saul as king?

can u see ur ignorance? before Saul went to meet Samuel when his father's donkeys were missing, God has already told Samuel that he was sending Saul to him in other to be anointed, or did u not read where Samuel commanded the chef to bring that special meat from the sacrifice that he asked the chef to keep aside?.....

PSTEMMA1960:
can u see ur ignorance? before Saul went to meet Samuel when his father's donkeys were missing, God has already told Samuel that he was sending Saul to him in other to be anointed, or did u not read where Samuel commanded the chef to bring that special meat from the sacrifice that he asked the chef to keep aside?.....

He collected a meat he kept for Saul to him to eat. After pronouncing Saul a king, there was a feat.

Giving someone a meat that was kept for him to eat is not sacrifice.
But if that was a sacrifice, why did he not give David a meat to eat?

ElsonMorali:
So what's the point of this entire thread?

The point is that a god told a man to lie to his fellow man because he was afarid that his fellow man will kill him.

GreatResearcher:
He collected a meat he kept for Saul to him to eat. After pronouncing Saul a king, there was a feat.

Giving someone a meat that was kept for him to eat is not sacrifice.
But if that was a sacrifice, why did he not give David a meat to eat?

what makes u think that he did not give David meat to eat?

GreatResearcher:
The point is that a god told a man to lie to his fellow man because he was afarid that his fellow man will kill him.

Sorry, but you have no point. I would explain why, but you'd never get it.

PSTEMMA1960:
what makes u think that he did not give David meat to eat?

Proof?

GreatResearcher:
If there was a sacfrice, that sacfrice was bore out of the fact that it was a means to mislead Saul.

19 And Samuel answered Saul, and said, I am the seer: go up before me unto the high place; for ye shall eat with me to day, and to morrow I will let thee go, and will tell thee all that is in thine heart.

Do you know what they do in high places (sacrifice). Do you know the precedure of making kings in Israel?

God reminding Samuel a clause in the king making process is timely wisdom.