There is no shame in vying in an election and loosing. The shame is in not trying at all when one is in the position to do so. The shame is in giving up when one loses. The shame is in a Reverend Father being quick to speak and slow to hear.

snrman:
he is a true man of God unlike oyedapo that can be collected dollars

Collected dollars from who?


Jealousy go kill you there.

Priceless200:
Watching this is quite nauseating, it is wrong on all levels. Giving should come from the heart for it to carry blessings. No man of God have the right to publicly do this kind of shit to anyone. He could have written him, or called him up later so as to discuss this., Peter is principled man when it comes to money, he probably came just for prayers and didn't prepare to give that day... This is wrong please. .

Anyways, You people should not make loosing election a sour case. Cause from the beginning its only one person that will eventually win. You guys and people like Mbaka are the reason election in this part of the world is a do or die affair.. After all, how many times did Buhari loose elections in Nigeria.

That means you dont understand what happened here.

Obi did NOT come for prayers, he was INVITED BY MBAKA for bazaar i.e a fundraiser. That is why mbaka is dressed in mofti, it is a social event for raising funds not a prayer gathering.

mightyhazel:
so the shame here was the blatant electoral heist against them,..that is the will of God ？Nigerians are the biggest losers here,but some dont know it yet. next levelling

No, you are the biggest loser. Not me, not Nigerians.

Ubenedictus:
That is what you dont understand.
It is a bazaar, a kind of fundraiser, the moment peter obi was given the IV he knew he was been invited to donate for the church, if he doesnt want to donate he would have just refused to come, but he came to d fund raiser and refused to give.
He embarassed himself.

It doesn't matter what it is. According 2u "mbaka reacted immediately, because u have been stingy to God".

What does d Bible say about giving in 2 Cor 9:7? Shouldn't that b d standard if u say d guy was "stingy to God"? Who is d standard, is it bazaar, mbaka or d Bible?

sweetrace:
There is no shame in vying in an election and loosing. The shame is in not trying at all when one is in the position to do so. The shame is in giving up when one loses. The shame is in a Reverend Father being quick to speak and slow to hear.

Your last line made no sense.
He predicted twice that buhari will win and he won.
He predicted that Atiku/obi will end in shame and it has come to passed.


Think before you talk.

OP, are u indirectly saying that Atiku/Obi would have emerged winners if Obi had made his donation public which is what Mbaka was insisting on

lexy2014:


Its obis choice to give. Its his money. D Bible doesn't say a so called prophet should insult anyone cos they didn't give to ur bazaar. D bible is d standard not mbaka 2 Corinthians 9:7

He didnt insult obi, he gave him a word.

It is obi choice to not give when he was specifically invited for a fund raiser and it is mbakas choice to call him out and give him the word.

Ubenedictus:
He didnt insult obi, he gave him a word.

It is obi choice to not give when he was specifically invited for a fund raiser and it is mbakas choice to call him out and give him the word.

According to 2 Corinthians 9:7, did obi do anything outside of Gods word? So which word did mbaka give obi? I ask again, what is d standard, is it mbaka or d bible?

Nitah1:
Your last line made no sense.
He predicted twice that buhari will win and he won.
He predicted that Atiku/obi will end in shame and it has come to passed.


Think before you talk.

And how is it any shame to loose an election? Why would he use those words. Why could he not have simply said they’ll loose the election? Where is the element of shame? I can remember the context in which he said it.

next level

lexy2014:

It doesn't matter what it is. According 2u "mbaka reacted immediately, because u have been stingy to God".

What does d Bible say about giving in 2 Cor 9:7? Shouldn't that b d standard if u say d guy was "stingy to God"? Who is d standard, is it bazaar, mbaka or d Bible?

That same bible in Act tells us about ananias and saphire who were also stingy, they sold there house and kept some money for themselve when others gave everything. it was their right, they gave according to what their mind agreed on but do you remember what happened to them?
God killed them just becos of stinginess and money.

obi could have decided not to come if he didnt want to give, he could have given 100 if he says he is poor. but to come and yet not give, he was stingy and he got the word he got.

lexy2014:


According to 2 Corinthians 9:7, did obi do anything outside of Gods word? So which word did mbaka give obi? I ask again, what is d standard, is it mbaka or d bible?

After reading that read up acts 5 then u will get the full picture of how God treats stingy people.

Ubenedictus:
That same bible in Act tells us about ananias and saphire who were also stingy, they sold there house and kept some money for themselve when others gave everything. it was their right, they gave according to what their mind agreed on but do you remember what happened to them?
God killed them just becos of stinginess and money.

obi could have decided not to come if he didnt want to give, he could have given 100 if he says he is poor. but to come and yet not give, he was stingy and he got the word he got.

Ananias & saphhira died cos they lied not because they didn't give. Acts 5:3. Pls get ur facts right& defend ur position with knowledge. Again I ask 2 Corinthians 9:7. Is mbaka d standard or is d bible d standard? U still haven't told me d word that mbaka gave obi cos he didn't give. Is d "word" in consonance with 2 Cor 9:7?

Ubenedictus:
After reading that read up acts 5 then u will get the full picture of how God treats stingy people.

What did u read in acts 5?

mightyhazel:
so the shame here was the blatant electoral heist against them,..that is the will of God ？Nigerians are the biggest losers here,but some dont know it yet. next levelling

you are loser and people reasoning like you.. Nigerians are winners

lexy2014:


Ananias & saphhira died cos they lied not because they didn't give. Acts 5:3. Pls get ur facts right& defend ur position with knowledge. Again I ask 2 Corinthians 9:7. Is mbaka d standard or is d bible d standard? U still haven't told me d word that mbaka gave obi cos he didn't give. Is d "word" in consonance with 2 Cor 9:7?

Ananias didnt speak, he lied by refusing to give the full money that was the deception. he took the half money and dropped it, his stinginess was the very deception.

ojikeebere12:
Ejike Mbaka, spiritual director of Adoration Ministry Enugu, Nigeria (AMEN), says Atiku Abubakar, presidential candidate of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) and Peter Obi, his running mate, might “end in shame” with the way they are going.

The Catholic priest said this after Obi failed to make donations at the ministry’s 2018 harvest and bazaar celebration.

Obi attended the programme which held during the weekend alongside other politicians from the south-east.

Standing by his side, Mbaka asked him to “stay in front of this children of God and tell God what you will do for Him … or what that means is, you don’t want to do anything for God. This is common deceit.”

Obi replied: “Father, what I said is straightforward. You will come and show me the project so that the two of us will talk. That is what I said.”

Mbaka then accused the former governor of Anambra of making “political statement” to which he responded: “Father knows I don’t make political statements. Anyone here from Anambra state knows Peter Obi has never promised anything and failed. I am a fundamental Catholic. I do whatever I say at the church.”

The priest said in response: “In your capacity and what God has done for you as governor … God hates stinginess. What I am saying is not to please you, but what will save your life. Otherwise you and Atiku will fail.

“If there is a place they will coat words for you, it is not at Mbaka’s altar. You can save your political destiny. Or in 2019, you people will not even know how they did the election. What will make my brother to come for bazaar and he won’t even break kola?”

Mbaka went on to tell Obi how governors of Ebonyi and Enugu made donations without announcing at the altar and urged him to do same.

“Your own is taking time,” he said, adding: “The way you and Atiku are moving will end in shame”.

“Let us continue our bazaar. You know since he is not supporting us, the ministry has been moving. If people start arguing like this, their downfall begins,” he said.

The priest also said he would make prediction regarding the 2019 presidential election come December 31.

Below is a video of the scene.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh6MhyMZfpQ

https://www.thecable.ng/you-and-atiku-might-end-in-shame-mbaka-hits-peter-obi-for-not-donating-to-his-church

WHAT IS THE SHAME HERE

SOME ILITER*TES NIGERIANS SHOULD JUST GROW UP!

DIDN'T MBAKA BLAST BUHARI TOO.

HOW CAN LOOSING AN ELECTION TO AN INCUMBENT TYRANNY BE A BIG DEAL!

I CONGRATULATE THE EFFORT OF PETER OBI AND ATIKU, THEY WERE THE BEST MATCH THAT COULD COMPETE ...

We all know Chimaroke was always rigging himself in with the PDP rigging machinery so all this you have written is pure rubbish.

deepwater:
I still maintain my respect for P. OBi as he refused to be swayed about by MBAKA.

People talking about MBAKA and prophesy, people who don't know where obiagu or campus 2 is located

You see, this same MBAKA said many more damaging things in the days of chimaroke (That time wey enugu dey melt, them kill MBAKA members for inside him church self, plenty of them) and at the end CHIMAROKE contested again and again won the Senate thereafter and again winning it another time now again.

OBi and GEJ are just the gentle type, so MBAKA fit use them shine. Him know say e no fit try that kind thing with the likes of Chimaroke

If u don't know how stubborn chimaroke could be, recall he was that lion, that student unionists that seized the VCs car and used same for a year in the same school.

Ooooo UNEC!

Them days in 042, NOT JUST A CODE.....A WAY OF LIFE

Is that true?

Ubenedictus:
Ananias didnt speak, he lied by refusing to give the full money that was the deception. he took the half money and dropped it, his stinginess was the very deception.

Ananias didn't speak but yet peter accused them of lying in Acts 5:3-4. So maybe we will have to rewrite d Bible.
Did u c anywhere in Acts 5 were peter said ananias was stingy? If u c it pls tell me. What happened to Ananias &his wife was what d Bible warned against in Eccl 5:5. that was d reason Peter said they lied. So oga read ur Bible very well. U c it in black& white were d bible said in Acts 5:3-4 that they lied, u are still disputing it.

Once again, according to 2 Corinthians 9:7, is mbaka d standard or d bible?

Jombom:
We all know Chimaroke was always rigging himself in with the PDP rigging machinery so all this you have written is pure rubbish.

So chimarikes rigging was more powerful than mbakas prophecy

lexy2014:


Ananias & saphhira died cos they lied not because they didn't give. Acts 5:3. Pls get ur facts right& defend ur position with knowledge. Again I ask 2 Corinthians 9:7. Is mbaka d standard or is d bible d standard? U still haven't told me d word that mbaka gave obi cos he didn't give. Is d "word" in consonance with 2 Cor 9:7?

You just love arguing for argument sake even when you ain't making sense.

First, the scriptures told us of God's word which is, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy on. Same God said whoever is merciful would receive mercy and whoever is a cheerful giver would receive likewise.

There have been many times people who don't deserve God's grace due to one reason or the other have brought down God's hands through their cheerful disposition. There are some rich folks who are not even as righteous as the true Christians out there yet they always gets to have more of God's blessings because they are merciful and cheerful givers.

It could have been that God didn't have Atiku and Obi presidency in his will but at that moment in the presence of God, they could have brought down God's mercy and grace through their giving to God, which Mbaka knew of and that was why he kept on waiting for Obi to do the needful and was almost weeping for him when he failed to.

A true servant of God don't speak recklessly like this, An ordinary mortal Man that will stand before God in the Day of Judgement claiming God. Nigeria flaw electoral system is to blame, Not even Peter will be this reckless with his utterances the end shall tell.

lexy2014:



Ananias didn't speak but yet peter accused them of lying in Acts 5:3-4. So maybe we will have to rewrite d Bible.
Did u c anywhere in Acts 5 were peter said ananias was stingy? If u c it pls tell me. What happened to Ananias &his wife was what d Bible warned against in Eccl 5:5. that was d reason Peter said they lied. So oga read ur Bible very well. U c it in black& white were d bible said in Acts 5:3-4 that they lied, u are still disputing it.

Once again, according to 2 Corinthians 9:7, is mbaka d standard or d bible?

I knew u wont see it, ananias wasnt recorded to has said a word, he lied by acting deceptively.

oya let me tell u the the bible principles.
You quoted the first, in 2 cor 9;7 God condemn reluctance in giving, which rightly describes obis disposition. which is why mbaka rightly said he was been stingy.

mbaka then applied the word for in prov 28;27 and prov 11;24-27.

I hope you are not among the group who give with reluctance.

ishowdotgmail:
Heaven knows if I contest against Atiku for presidential election he won't win. To show you the level of how bad his record was.

I will floor him at his backyard in Adamawa

DO NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD IN VAIN. Exodus 20 :7

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You just love arguing for argument sake even when you ain't making sense.

First, the scriptures told is God's word which is I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy on. Same God said whoever is merciful would receive mercy and whoever is a cheerful giver would receive likewise.

Now there have been many times people who don't deserve God's grace due to one reason or the other have brought down God's hands through their cheerful disposition. There are some rich folks who are not even as righteous as the true Christians out there yet they always gets to have more of God's blessings because they are merciful and cheerful givers.

It could have been that God didn't have Atiku and Obi presidency in his will but at that moment in the presence of God, they could have brought down God's mercy and grace through giving to God, which Mbaka knew of and that was why he kept waiting for Obi to do the needful and was almost weeping for him when he failed not toassumin]

I asked u several times using 2 Corinthians 9:7, what is d standard? Is it mbaka or is it d bible? U have been avoiding to answer d simplest of questions. Instead u have going round& round in circles trying to justify a pastors actions over what d bible says& yet u are saying this: "You just love arguing for argument sake even when you ain't making sense." Maybe u are saying 2 Corinthians 9:7 doesn't make sense cos that is were I stand. It is a Christian issue& d Bible is d standard but u don't have one single scripture to back up or justify mbakas actions.

Just imagine this:

"Now there have been many times people who don't deserve God's grace due to one reason have brought down God's hands through their cheerful disposition."

Is there any time people deserve Gods grace? Cos from what u said there are times we deserve Gods grace& there are times we dont. Were in d world did u get that? There's nowhere in d Bible that says we get Gods grace by "cheerful disposition". Look at Ephesians 2:8-9. Its our faith that connects us to Gods grace not our giving money to church.

Now u are contradicting urself. Initially, d other guy said d bazaar was a social gathering. Now here, u said it was Gods presence. How can a "social gathering" now b Gods presence? I still take u back to 2 Corinthians 9:7. So d whole idea of mbaka waiting 4 or weeping cos obi didn't give money, doesn't fit into what d Bible says.

lexy2014:
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Will you keep quiet? Obi should have stayed at home. No one put a gun on his head to force him to come to the bazaar. Or what nonsense are you saying? Obi simply came to insult God by choosing to come but failing to give when he knows what the bazaar is about.


And you don't know what the presence of God is about. The presence of God isn't just about a church, it's in the heart of men. That's where God lives. And for a man of God who carries God's presence, anywhere he chooses to be, God is always there with him.

Lexy2014, faith without works is dead. Of course, you don't need work to be saved. You're saved through your faith in Christ Jesus. But after salvation, you need to produce good fruits cos every tree without good fruits will be cut down and burnt just like Christ said.

yinkus6750:
Obi said his an honest and upright politician, how come he agreed to Vice someone of doubtful integrity?
At times, the South East don't really know what they want, where to be accurately positioned when it matters most.

Which Obi is honest and upright? Believe the fake man and believe anything

Ubenedictus:
I knew u wont see it, ananias wasnt recorded to has said a word, he lied by acting deceptively.

oya let me tell u the the bible principles.
You quoted the first, in 2 cor 9;7 God condemn reluctance in giving, which rightly describes obis disposition. which is why mbaka rightly said he was been stingy.

mbaka then applied the word for in prov 28;27 and prov 11;24-27.

I hope you are not among the group who give with reluctance.

How do u lie? Is it with ur actions or with ur words? If Peter said they lied, that means they had earlier said something to Peter which wasn't a true reflection of what they gave. Or are u telling me they were deaf& dumb or they just came to peter& dropped money without any conversation as to were d money came or its purpose? That's y I gave u Eccl 5:5

According to u, obi didn't give. But u now u are saying he gave reluctantly. If he gave, how can u judge whether it was out of cheerfulness or out of reluctance? But in several of ur posts, u said he didn't give. So u are contradicting urself.

In that same scripture, it says people should give what is in their heart to give. Back to what u said that obi didn't give. That means he didn't have anything in his heart to give.

Lastly, it talked about compulsion. Which means people shouldn't b forced or cajoled to give just like mbaka was trying to do. Its not in his place to cajole anyone to give. If they want to give, they will give. If they don't give to u, that doesn't mean they don't give to others. So d scriptures u quoted don't apply cos mbakas church isn't a collection centre 4 those who want to give. 4d fact that obi didn't give to mbakas church doesn't mean he doesn't attend to d needs of others in his own private life. So mbaka can't apply those scriptures cos he isn't in charge of obis life

Kagawa10:
Lexy2014, faith without works is dead. Of course, you don't need work to be saved. You're saved through your faith in Christ Jesus. But after salvation, you need to produce good fruits cos every tree without good fruits will be cut down and burnt just like Christ said.

Faith& works with regards to what?