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Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 1:17am On Feb 23, 2019 |
morpheus24: Kindly stop trying to convey your warped interpretation of African academia to us. morpheus24: I was reading through with great expectations but just like all other anti-African writings that claims to be scientific yet is based loosely on a tunnel-vision, it tethered out onto a tangent. That is to say, the initial premise is false. Firstly, 'The Nile civilisation' represents 5% of African civilisation. Since, if the premise of theory is false, then, the conclusion is deemed equally to be false. The mtDNA analysis is tunnel-vision and more importantly, is based on a floored premise. Therefore, what you present here today is not a rebuttal of Diop's conclusion, rather a counter argument. One that most African academics have already tossed into the bin. Secondly, Diop like most African academics already recognise that the civilisation went up the Nile not down and chose correctly to start in the mainland; whilst your guys stay in Egypt and claim they are studying African history. And, here again the premise for their analysis is found also to be false. Civilisation in African move up the Nile, fact. 1 Like |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 1:37am On Feb 23, 2019 |
morpheus24: Amujale: morpheus24: The author goes out of his/her way in a hopeless attempt to try an differentiate early Africans from their modern peers. Why not "These people that evolved in Africa possessed the building blocks that is in the people of today" ? Let me make it clear the fact that the early Africans are as human as humans in the world today, to think otherwise is totally missing the point, the misconception of the Real human against the earlier semi-human is based on false and mis-conceptions, however, i digress. morpheus24: Amujale: morpheus24: African studies is the study of African history or culture by African academics and or scholars. morpheus24: morpheus24: The Nile civilisation' represents 5% of African civilisation. The mtDNA analysis is tunnel-vision and more importantly, is based on a floored premise. Therefore, what you present here today is not a rebuttal of Diop's conclusion, rather a counter argument. One that most African academics have already tossed into the bin. morpheus24: Yes, some Eurocentrics and Arab academics and scholars are known to have these type of practises in their repertoire. Most African academics nowadays rely on all their senses and scientific prowess instead of some out-dated well concocted anti-African theorems. E.g if you read anywhere what the height of the Atum's obelisk are suppose to be, you are taught not to use that in any of your calculations; go and measure for yourselves. These are the ways of the African academics of today, thorough, precise, a perfectionist; that's how they are able to come up with their conclusions. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by morpheus24: 3:20am On Feb 23, 2019 |
Amujale: Amujale:What part of genetic evidence did they toss in the bin?? I will stop here because it seems you do not understand the genetic implications of anything I have posted and are babbling about some Anti African conspiracy theory 2 Likes |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by NileValley: 11:06am On Feb 23, 2019 |
morpheus24: They are not African their bloodline is mixed with European and Native American stupid boy , it's really funny that you think repeating studies that you read on the internet makes you look like you're educated and intelligent , keep learning and copying and pasting studies to make yourself look like a smartass. Look at that "Morphues : 1" , you don't even know how to write your own username. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 2:08pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
Lets recap: morpheus24: Amujale: morpheus24: Amujale: morpheus24: Amujale: morpheus24: Amujale: morpheus24: Most modern day scientist agree with Diop on that point. morpheus24: That is just a nonsensical statement. morpheus24: In my opinion that is one of greatest allegorical statements ever to make it to the publishers. The statement is true but insignificant compared to the TRUTH, which is that early humans are closer to proximity to us Africans. morpheus24: According to African studies, that statement is completely and utterly false. Untrue. morpheus24: Again, according to African studies, that statement is completely and utterly false. Untrue. morpheus24: Amujale: morpheus24: The analyses below is based on a flawed premise. morpheus24: Furthermore, like i have specified earlier, The Nile civilisation' represents 5% of African civilisation. Therefore the significance of their analysis cannot represent the entire continent. morpheus24: The mtDNA analysis is tunnel-vision and more importantly, is based on a flawed premise. morpheus24: The above statement is false because you have failed to provide such evidence to back your claims, what you present here today is not a rebuttal of Diop's conclusions, rather a mere argument that is privy to the North of Africa. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 2:23pm On Feb 23, 2019 |
Its nothing short of an abomination to attempt the use of anti-African ideology or Rhetoric in the determination of African history, it just will not work that way in the 21st century. In the 21st century, African academics will and already are determining for themselves the TRUE African history. All the old and ill-judged Eurocentric and Arab assertions are bound to eventually be put out of official (African) use. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 1:27pm On Feb 24, 2019 |
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Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 1:32pm On Feb 24, 2019 |
jantavanta: Indeed i agree with much of what you say here, and would go further to say, the term 'race' is a social scientific contruct that has no meaning outside of its maiden use (social science). The term 'race' is an allegory that has double the effect of similar terminologies of its type. Some socio-scientific constructs come with special abilities, as is with the term 'race'. For instance, let's assume these three distinct sociological complexes: Superior complex Well- Balanced Inferior complex Whoever calls or thinks someone a racist, activates the terms special ability: 1. Making the initial complainant knowingly or unknowingly experience inferiority complex. 2. Making the person they complained about knowingly or unknowingly experience superiority complex. These are unmitigated facts. Those that choose not to use terms like 'race' are not particularly exposed to the same socio-scientific conditions. Stop making use of derogatory terminology like 'race', instead state exactly what has occured. For instance, If i waived down a cab, and the driver chose to pick a different passenger (one that arrived later) and if it seems like the cab driver decisions has been clouded by discrimination, that is what i will think or say. I would say to myself ( hyperthetical, have never experience such personally) that cab driver had his mind clouded with discrimination because he had clearly seen me flag his cab but instead chose to pick the next guy. I would never say, the driver was a racist, because not only does it not have any legal weight, technically theres only one race on planet Earth; human race. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by morpheus24: 12:54am On Feb 25, 2019 |
NileValley: Again no rebuttal just infantile responses. Their mixed heritage does not negate their African genetic heritage. You can cry about it all day long. DNA does not lie. NileValley: The studies speak for themselves, I don't need to sound educated, any fool who knows how to read can decipher the information for himself, unfortunately that is not you. NileValley: HAHAHAHAHA. Childish responses, keep attacking my grammar and not my points. Strawman arguement tactics. 3 Likes |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by morpheus24: 1:01am On Feb 25, 2019 |
Amujale: spoken like a true Afrocentrist. I have nothing more to say 3 Likes |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 5:04am On Feb 25, 2019 |
morpheus24: I am really an Africanist, an advocate for a forever successfull Africa, yet i agree with you nevertheless on your Afrocentrist qualification. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by QnVee: 12:32pm On Feb 26, 2019 |
NileValley: [] How can you make such ignorant inflammatory statements sounding like a hypocrite! Africans were the first in America and if you took the time to research and educate yourself, maybe youwould eat these hateful words. The Gullah and Geechie people of South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia have largely preserved their African roots during and after slavery. Who did they put in slave ships Nile Valley? Who did Africans and Arabs sell to the into slavery to the Europeans? Were they not Africans? You claim to know so much African history however your idiotic statements don't support it. Just spewing ignorance here. There are many mixed ethnic Africans due to colonization by the Europeans, same as America but they retain their identity wherever they travel or live. Native Americans had phenotypes similar to African phenotypes. Pyramids and ancient artifacts like those in Africa have been found in America including Egyptian pyramids and hieroglyphs in the Grand Canyon. It seems to me you may be carrying a huge chiip on your shoulder and therefore spread lies and confusion debunking the truth. So transparent you are. 2 Likes |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 2:08am On Feb 28, 2019 |
African Americans are the most successful Africans in the world today, lets support them to greater heights. There is a massive misunderstanding in a vacuum, Africans dont have the time to argue amongst each other about trivial stuff, lets keep up with the here and now. Lets appreciate the global struggle as one picture; resolve differences, improve on common understanding and improve our lives for our betterment and that of the coming generations. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 5:13pm On Feb 28, 2019 |
Without a shadow of doubt, there are distinct and undeniable found connection between the indigenous Americans with much of mainland African culture. There are various theories to explain that, one of the leading theories is an African viewpoint; indigenous Americans are said to have descend from the Olmecs. According to Jose Melar, the Olmecs are supposed to have migrated from Africa (is comprehensively addressed in the “Olmec alternative origin...” documents). Modern day African historians identify Olmecs with the Mandé people. 1 Like |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by morpheus24: 8:06pm On Feb 28, 2019 |
Amujale: DNA evidence does not corroborate this theory. If they were related to present day Mande, you would find genetic material that was still existent in the indigenous Americans today that would tie the two peoples together. Unless you believe the Mande sailed to the new world more than 5000 years ago? The only proof presented in regards to this theory has been the statues that resemble Phenotypical representations of Africans. if that is the best then you have to convince me that these particular guys below are genetically related to a "cotemporary African" today. 2 Likes
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Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 2:59pm On Mar 01, 2019 |
morpheus24: Here you go again making false claims. Can you kindly provide me with your evidence to refute Jose Melar's theory. Have you even read Jose Melars theory on Indigenous Americans? Have you read the Olmec theory documents? or "A history of the African-Olmecs:" by Paul Barton or "They came before Columbus" by Ivan Sertima Obviously you havent and are just making empty assumptions. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 2:14am On Mar 02, 2019 |
Have you heard of the "Wahetaw of Louisiana" , the Darienite Indians of Panama, the Choco Regional Indians of Colombia, the Chuarras of Brazil, the black(sic) Califonians of California or the Jamassee Indians whom in antiquity occupies modern day Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina and North Florida. There are also the Guanin who are also said to be indigenous to the Caribbean. Barton discusses black(sic) civilisations of the Americas from pre-historic to the present day times. The Washetaw of Louisiana are said to be master shipbuilders, in addition to sailing to and fro the coast of Africa, they are said to voyage the Atlantic and Caribbean Sea as well as the Pacific. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 2:58am On Mar 02, 2019 |
Without a shadow of doubt, there are distinct and undeniable found connection between the indigenous Americans with much of mainland African culture. There are various theories to explain that, one of the leading theories is an African viewpoint; indigenous Americans are said to have descend from the Olmecs. According to Jose Melar, the Olmecs are supposed to have migrated from Africa (is comprehensively addressed in the “Olmec alternative origin...” documents). Modern day African historians identify Olmecs with the Mandé people. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by morpheus24: 8:38pm On Mar 04, 2019 |
Amujale: You have posted this gibberish again from an outdated scholar who is popular in Afrocentric circles. Where is the genetic evidence to corroborate this theory. This is 2019 you know. The oldest human fossil found in the Americas date 11000 years clusters with Native American ancestry from Asia and Siberia. There is no genetic evidence that relates Mande to Olmecs. You can dance around sertima's theories all you want, you will not find any information that proves it. Prehistoric peoples in the Americas would most likely tie genetically to Polynesian or Melanisian peoples if they do not tie to Native Americans from Siberia. Stop passing on Afro centrism as real science. You sound like those Hebrew Israelite crazies who keep claiming Hebrew ancestry yet once we bring up genetics and ask they to prove it, they begin to dance around rubbish historical theories. if you want me to point you to the genetic study on 11,000 year old fossil DNA findings simply ask or search for it yourself. Google is your friend. 1 Like |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 5:59am On Mar 05, 2019 |
morpheus24: There lies no truth or relevance in the above post except more waffling. Assuming you take the time to check my previous post, you will find it makes reference of African academics and their material with relevance to these discussions. Amujale: https://www.amazon.com/History-African-Olmecs-Civilizations-America-Prehistoric/dp/0759644691 Yes and your correct about it being 2019, the year when all foreign and anti-African rhetoric around history are to be thrown into the intellectual bin in favour of the findings from African and Pan - African research and institutes of academia. Africans will continue to educate ourselves more on African academics and scholars than ever before; these guys make use of cutting edge technological and scientific techniques. Without a shadow of doubt, there are distinct and undeniable found connection between the indigenous Americans with much of mainland African culture. Anyone with common sense on Indigenous Americans culture cannot disagree with these truths. But you can sit on your armchair and claim to know better than . morpheus24: Again if you take the time to check material from previous post you will find that you are mistaken and cease making these false claims. Amujale: morpheus24: Says who? morpheus24: Most Africans already know the truth, What Africans call African your type ill-judgingly call Afrocentric. Its exactly because of your type that God creates people like me. There are various theories to explain that, one of the leading theories is an African viewpoint; indigenous Americans are said to have descend from the Olmecs. According to Jose Melar, the Olmecs are supposed to have migrated from Africa (is comprehensively addressed in the “Olmec alternative origin...” documents). Modern day African historians identify Olmecs with the Mandé people.
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Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Nobody: 6:16am On Mar 05, 2019 |
What people fail to realize is, being of a darker skin tone doesn't mean you are African, jeeeez 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 6:37am On Mar 05, 2019 |
fieryy: Nowadays, you are probably correct in today's world, however, in olden days, almost all black(sic) people are indeed African, the exceptions are a very few; those 1% that some how miraculously are able to have maintain their colour outside of the continent during major geological phenomena; its a good assumption that every nation on our planet have these 1%. 1%: Its a strong consideration of African studies that one percent of the phenom that took part in the " Out of Africa" experience are said to have maintain their African features. In addition, Africans had various other manoeuvres in antiquity, the famous ones are known to us as scientific or knowledge-based expeditions. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by jnrbayano(m): 6:22pm On Mar 05, 2019 |
fieryy: What happened to your other handle? |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Nobody: 6:37am On Mar 22, 2019 |
Amujale: I'm sorry for the late reply. Completely forgot about it. If you're going by the "Out of Africa" theory, then you're going way too far because that'll mean we're all Africans. The first people who settled in Europe weren't white, but darkskinned. In fact AFRICANS because according to the "Out of Africa" theory, life started in Africa. However that was hundred of thousands years ago. The white skin mutation ONLY took place in Eurasia, so of course the rest of the world maintained their dark skin. The Aborigines of North America weren't white, the Aborigines of Australia weren't white either. But the fact that they were DARKSKINNED doesn't make them Africans either, we've been separated for very long to say that, just like we've been separated from Europeans for way too long. The only difference is the mutation that affected the skin color and eyes, to sum it up - melanin 1 Like |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Nobody: 6:38am On Mar 22, 2019 |
jnrbayano: Created another one because I got banned. Now I have 2 1 Like |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 10:11am On Mar 22, 2019 |
fieryy: Eventhough i agree with much of your post, the above that does not read too well. The fact that they are darkskinned infact does indeed make them African due to the fact that they hailed from Africa, which in itself also makes them African. The basic truth is that in those days, everyone is African and therefore everyone at the time was darkskinned or have the adequate amount of melanin to assist humanity. In todays world, maybe possessing darker skin doesnt automatically make you African, however in those days, before the 'Out of Africa' experience, everyone was African and as a result all humans alive at the time possess all the African features. Please stop all attempts to try an differentiate ancient Africans from their modern peers. It didnt make sense to differentiate then, and it certainly does not make sense to differentiate ancient peoples from their post-modern peers of today. Africans are the only people that have the RIGHT and the correct qualifications to determine who IS or is NOT African. And most Africans agree with me on the fact that African ancestors are very very African. Hence, everyone on planet earth at the time possess African features, therefore, everyone in those days was African. The people that took part in the 'Out of Africa' experience, are African for thousands upon thousands of years before taking control of other regions on planet earth. I.e The first people to occupy the Europe lived as part of a larger African family thousands upon thousands years prior to their migration. Therefore, the first wave of people to arrive in the Europe in anyone's mind are indeed African. Appreciate the great beacon of our world that is called Africa, stop trying to stifle her. Lets employ common sense. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Nobody: 11:08am On Mar 22, 2019 |
Amujale: According to the "Out of Africa" theory (because there ARE several theories), every person's ANCESTORS hailed from Africa. But what you are doing is confusing SKIN COLOR with nationality/the continent you are from. The first humans were all dark skinned and Africans. The first Africans who settled in Europe had been dark skinned as well. The next generation of those settlers were considered EUROPEANS. Why? Because they had never been to Africa before! Same with Asians etc Having DARK SKIN does NOT make you African, back then and now! The first Americans began their journey in northeast Asia and southern Siberia to America between 25,000 and 20,000 years ago. They had first resided in Asia before they moved to North America and probably all had DARK SKIN. Were they Africans? No, because they probably had never even stepped a foot in Africa! We're they Asians? Yes, because that's why they had resided in Asia beforehand! Were the first generation born in America still Asians? NO! These are all stuffs that happened thousands of years ago So this Amujale: Is wrong And since white skin evolved ca. 8000 years ago because Europeans lacked the versions of the genes—SLC24A5 and SLC45A2—which led to depigmentation This Amujale: is also wrong. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 11:13am On Mar 22, 2019 |
fieryy: I am sorry but its in my opinion that you possess an incorrect understanding of African history. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Nobody: 11:17am On Mar 22, 2019 |
Just realized you added more to your post. There is NOTHING like an African feature. All we have in common is our DARK SKIN! The fact that the Bantu people make up the majority of Africans, due to their immigration down south, doesn't mean they are the only face of Africa. The Nilotic people look different from the Bantus, the Pygmies have their own unique features as well. Same with the Khoisan. These are just few of the African "subgroups". Each with unique features! @ Amujale or whatever your name is 2 Likes |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 11:26am On Mar 22, 2019 |
Africa is the beacon of the world and is responsible for the success of one of the greatest conceivable feats known to humanity, humanity itself. Our ancestors didnt choose to jump of a cliff and potentially putting an end to humanity as is conceived today. African ancestors are a great inspiration to all of humanity. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Amujale(m): 11:35am On Mar 22, 2019 |
fieryy: Btw i dont understand Africans having subgroups. Most of what you write here are Eurocentric and Asiatic giberish. Maybe you refer to Africans with our diversity. Well the point is that ,everyone in the world have good reason to appreciate Africans diversity. The reason everyone appreciates the diversity of Africans is due to the fact that modern day humans enjoy their current genetic make-up as a result of Africans and their ancestry. Africans invented, or are gifted with', THE generic building blocks responsible for, and traceable to , what is seen in post-modern day humans. |
Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by Nobody: 12:11pm On Mar 22, 2019 |
Amujale: Africans should be appreciated for what they truly are! Yes, you are right. But I do not have to lie to myself and claim the first people in America were Africans for me to be PROUD of being African and for me to appreciate Africans. The Mali Empire, Oyo Empire, Benin Kingdom, the Ashantis and co. are enough to make me proud. I do not have to be anything other than African to be proud. And you know what? My pride is based on FACTS Not delusional stuffs 2 Likes
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