₦airaland Forum

valentineuwakwe:
why waste money too rehabilitate this refinery, where as these funds would have been used to build new ones just like they are planning to do in katsina state. ..just another avenue to loot public funds...

Did you say build another one in Katsina?
My goodness!

Politics is so freaking annoying.

Parada:
How come that of Russia Saudi Arabia etc are working ?

In Russia no refinery is government owned, As per Saudi Arabia, the whole oil industry is operated by Americans. You just Saudi citizens as figure heads.
Also note that we are blacks, you simply cannot compare us to oyinbos (as offensive as it may seem). The black man in his own environment has difficulty running things. They might thrive in other environs. Dangote etc have foreigners running things. Check out South Africa when the whites were in charge and now. Infact you do not have to look far check out the cars driven by your halfcast or white friends locally in nigeria, no matter how old the car is, you will see that it is well maintained, probably has the original factory paint because it has not been bashed around.
Government, how much more a black African man government can never run a business how much more a complicated refinery. It will just be a continuous money pit.
Note: I mean no offense to anyone, its just my personal observation.

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immhotep:
What did your Igbo wife tell you?
Cc lzaa husbandsnatcha

take him to yabaleft will you

So we're still debating over refineries after all these years. Its a pity

Will the wike and amaechi 10-part series currently playing out even allow anybody to go there

SLAP44:
APC government wants to take the South south on another expensive merry go round

This was how they started the Ogoni clean up on the pages of the newspaper and used the diversion to build a dry port in the north, with Amaechi doing the supervision

My brother, has that ogoni clean up not yet commenced? Its been a while

bendike:
In Russia no refinery is government owned, As per Saudi Arabia, the whole oil industry is operated by Americans. You just Saudi citizens as figure heads.
Also note that we are blacks, you simply cannot compare us to oyinbos (as offensive as it may seem). The black man in his own environment has difficulty running things. They might thrive in other environs. Dangote etc have foreigners running things. Check out South Africa when the whites were in charge and now. Infact you do not have to look far check out the cars driven by your halfcast or white friends locally in nigeria, no matter how old the car is, you will see that it is well maintained, probably has the original factory paint because it has not been bashed around.
Government, how much more a black African man government can never run a business how much more a complicated refinery. It will just be a continuous money pit.
Note: I mean no offense to anyone, its just my personal observation.

Why so much self hate? Your skin has no bearing on whether you succeed or not.

In 1978,China was so backward that it was a laughing stock. When a Brazilian delegation visited the country in 1981, they did not find anything noteworthy to import. It was that bad.

Was it that the Chinese were inherently backward or stupid? No. It was because chairman Mao had ruined the country. I'm sure like you, many Chinese felt that they were worthless and a bunch of failures.

As at 1986, Chinese GDP was only half that of California. Due to rapid economic growth over the past 40 years, it's economy is 4 times the size of the Californian economy and it's now the 2nd largest economy in the world.

The problem African economies have has been their politics which are usually dominated by a strongman who refuses to step down and hangs on power

There are rich black countries like Barbados, Bahamas, Botswana and so on. It's not all negativity

THE LOOTING CONTINUES, THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY REMAIN THE SAME.

Sell this waste pipe called a refinery, it one source through which public fund is being siphoned

bendike:
In Russia no refinery is government owned, As per Saudi Arabia, the whole oil industry is operated by Americans. You just Saudi citizens as figure heads.
Also note that we are blacks, you simply cannot compare us to oyinbos (as offensive as it may seem). The black man in his own environment has difficulty running things. They might thrive in other environs. Dangote etc have foreigners running things. Check out South Africa when the whites were in charge and now. Infact you do not have to look far check out the cars driven by your halfcast or white friends locally in nigeria, no matter how old the car is, you will see that it is well maintained, probably has the original factory paint because it has not been bashed around.
Government, how much more a black African man government can never run a business how much more a complicated refinery. It will just be a continuous money pit.
Note: I mean no offense to anyone, its just my personal observation.

I very much doubt your statement here that ATAMCO is managed by Americans.

The Saudi oil industry was nationalised to put Saudis in charge. How then will Americans now be the ones supervising and managing it?

SLAP44:
APC government wants to take the South south on another expensive merry go round

This was how they started the Ogoni clean up on the pages of the newspaper and used the diversion to build a dry port in the north, with Amaechi doing the supervision

You can also advice Ogoni chiefs to have one voice.

Parada:
This is unlike the cursed PDP that will budget billions of dollar for TAM for refineries n at the end of the day declared the wrong type of TAM was ordered n this happened for the 16 years it ruled. May it never be well with PDP n each n everyone of it supporters for the locust years it took Nigeria through.

How this does not sound foolish n completely senselessly to you is beyond me, APC sings without wasting billions of dollars in TAM but PDP does sing but waste billions of dollars on TAM only to claim it paid for the wrong TAM yearly for 16 years ?!

And in anyone sick head it is APC you chose to blame ?! At times it feels like I live with only mad people in this Nigeria.

I concur. I'm with you bro

grandstar:
Why so much self hate? Your skin has no bearing on whether you succeed or not.

In 1978,China was so backward that it was a laughing stock. When a Brazilian delegation visited the country in 1981, they did not find anything noteworthy to import. It was that bad.

Was it that the Chinese were inherently backward or stupid? No. It was because chairman Mao had ruined the country. I'm sure like you, many Chinese felt that they were worthless and a bunch of failures.

As at 1986, Chinese GDP was only half that of California. Due to rapid economic growth over the past 40 years, it's economy is 4 times the size of the Californian economy and it's now the 2nd largest economy in the world.

The problem African economies have has been their politics which are usually dominated by a strongman who refuses to step down and hangs on power

There are rich black countries like Barbados, Bahamas, Botswana and so on. It's not all negativity

Mao didn't ruin China..
He set the ground work for their achievements today..


You probably can't say this among Chinese without them calling you to order.

Though many hated him...

But he set a good foundation..

grandstar:
Why so much self hate? Your skin has no bearing on whether you succeed or not.

In 1978,China was so backward that it was a laughing stock. When a Brazilian delegation visited the country in 1981, they did not find anything noteworthy to import. It was that bad.

Was it that the Chinese were inherently backward or stupid? No. It was because chairman Mao had ruined the country. I'm sure like you, many Chinese felt that they were worthless and a bunch of failures.

As at 1986, Chinese GDP was only half that of California. Due to rapid economic growth over the past 40 years, it's economy is 4 times the size of the Californian economy and it's now the 2nd largest economy in the world.

The problem African economies have has been their politics which are usually dominated by a strongman who refuses to step down and hangs on power

There are rich black countries like Barbados, Bahamas, Botswana and so on. It's not all negativity

You are also right. But in places like Malaysia you also had strong men that stayed and followed a cause that lead to steady economic policies and growth. China is also the same with the communist party. India with ghandi. The Botswana you made reference to just had a half British president that recently left power.
Yes you said its our politics we have not gotten right. Hmm. Then maybe that is the problem but inherently we have seen that all over black Africa. Why haven't we gotten it right over the years. Sad to say but as fela sang we had light when being colonized. When we took over and built kianji dam. No light. I have heard people say we would have been better off still colonized. If that is true, I do not know. But certainly there is a problem somewhere.
It's not about negatively bro just observation.

grandstar:
I very much doubt your statement here that ATAMCO is managed by Americans.

The Saudi oil industry was nationalised to put Saudis in charge. How then will Americans now be the ones supervising and managing it?

Bellow are refinaries in Saudi. There are more localized refinaries in partnership with shell, Korea, USA etc
Fujian Refining and Petrochemical Co. (FRPC), People's Republic of China
Sinopec SenMei (Fujian) Petroleum Co. Ltd. (SSPC), People's Republic of China
Motiva Enterprises LLC, United States 1,070,000 bbl/d (170,000 m3/d)
Showa Shell, Japan 445,000 bbl/d (70,700 m3/d)
S-Oil, Republic of Korea 669,000 bbl/d (106,400 m3/d)
Saudi Refining Inc., United States[43]

grandstar:
Why so much self hate? Your skin has no bearing on whether you succeed or not.

In 1978,China was so backward that it was a laughing stock. When a Brazilian delegation visited the country in 1981, they did not find anything noteworthy to import. It was that bad.

Was it that the Chinese were inherently backward or stupid? No. It was because chairman Mao had ruined the country. I'm sure like you, many Chinese felt that they were worthless and a bunch of failures.

As at 1986, Chinese GDP was only half that of California. Due to rapid economic growth over the past 40 years, it's economy is 4 times the size of the Californian economy and it's now the 2nd largest economy in the world.

The problem African economies have has been their politics which are usually dominated by a strongman who refuses to step down and hangs on power

There are rich black countries like Barbados, Bahamas, Botswana and so on. It's not all negativity

Biko pls remove Botswana from that list.

OAUTemitayo:
Mao didn't ruin China..
He set the ground work for their achievements today..


You probably can't say this among Chinese without them calling you to order.

Though many hated him...

But he set a good foundation..

They introduced capitalist policies which are the opposite of communist policies and that's what changed China. The capitalist policies was the foundation of Chinas runaway success.

Lee Kuan Yew, the late Singaporean president called Mao's policies "an excess of hubris and theogy

Parada:
Was it grounded by APC or are you brain dead ?

But who scam us billions of naira with it