jesmond3945:
thats not true. Who told you blacks take job away. What blacks needs is equal opportunity but they are marginalized just like the igbos in Nigeria. The white british know that if you give them chance they would overtake and also they have huge stereotypes about us. Infact it is a long story. The only place black people are given opportunity is in sports.
The british value the asians more, even they value chinese more. Come to Uk universities the chinese are all over the place. Infact the chinese would replace the indians and pakis in the near future.
The blacks cannot kill themselves thats why you see them going to Gods beloved country America were they have equal opportunity.

equal opportunities you say, are blacks in the UK not given equal opportunities, what people in this world do not understand that equal opportunities is just an idea, it is impossible to implement. iin a class of 20, when you give each of them equal opportunities, do you think each student will come out in the same way, we need to understand that people have different capabilities and abilities

Or should we say blacks want to compete in a white world, where whites are providing opportunities for their own people, why dont you just create your own businesses and companies and employ your own people. whites, asian and chinese are doing it, you too can do it.

Unlimitk:


I give up.

I hate ppl who write with emotions

what emotions you say

hisgrace090:
British na cunny man now!!

Lol

Unlimitk:


Are u sure its not a black American website?

But I will still stand on blacks faring better in UK than USA

You are totally wrong while op is totally right. And for you to be asking is fortune is a black American website is why you shouldn’t have even dabbled in this debate

wetdick

The same reason why a black man can be President of US but can never be prime minister of UK.

I watch how British tabloids run down black stars like Raheem Sterling, Meghan Markle and co...

On our part, we don't know how to come together to build our community. Black man is a very selfish being

globemoney:

You are totally wrong while op is totally right. And for you to be asking is fortune is a black American website is why you shouldn’t have even dabbled in this debate

Huh? Who da fukk is this nonentity.

Of course I wouldn't know everything.

I can't know everything,and I was having an argument with him,I don't remember talking to you.

Pls oga face front, mtcheew!

Unlimitk:

[s]
Huh? Who da fukk is this nonentity.

Of course I wouldn't know everything.

I can't know everything,and I was having an argument with him,I don't remember talking to you.

Pls oga face front, mtcheew![/s]

Shut up and accept the fact that you were wrong and highly ignorant

Very interesting discussion here.

This is the kind of thread to needs to be push to the front page of Nairaland to get more people into the discussion.

Anyway, one of the reasons maybe why the Asians are more favored by the whites might be due to their skin color which is in almost similarity to the whites...lol!...Or another reason might be due to the fact that most of the Asians were not really enslaved by the whites in the past as compared to the blacks.

Bear in mind that most of those Asian countries already had some kind of independence on their own without the invasion of the whites. China and Japan comes to mind.

globemoney:

Shut up and accept the fact that you were wrong and highly ignorant

Pls I was not talking with u.

And no,I wasn't wrong.

I don't know who da fukk u are, or y are u quoting me.

PlsPls lemme sleep, tomorrow is another day.

I'm sure all those things I and that guy were arguing about,u don't know half of it.

So please, abeg leave me

wetdick:


equal opportunities you say, are blacks in the UK not given equal opportunities, what people in this world do not understand that equal opportunities is just an idea, it is impossible to implement. iin a class of 20, when you give each of them equal opportunities, do you think each student will come out in the same way, we need to understand that people have different capabilities and abilities

Or should we say blacks want to compete in a white world, where whites are providing opportunities for their own people, why dont you just create your own businesses and companies and employ your own people. whites, asian and chinese are doing it, you too can do it.

when i made my first comment, I stated it clearly that I am talking from experience. Probably you can come to Uk and stay sometime to understand what I am talking about. By fairness every human being should be judged in a balance measured and set in a particular metric. Even in research you subject variables to the same input, thats equality. Take for example, if you are a black in britain you have to work extra hard than other races. You have to prove yourself extra in order to be trusted. There is always a limit set for you in corporate organizations. How many blacks are ceo in uk?. Even employment blacks find it difficult.
For your second argument; You cannot do that because the buying power of black people in uk is already limited, remember you would still pay the same tax like the asian man who have like 5 to 10 of his customers in the middle class. I have seen black businesses too doing well but the reason is because they cater for all and sundry.
Also how do you expect a black man to create opportunity in a white land where the white designed it such a way that every black's opportunity to rise would be frustrated somehow.

beatmonster:
wetdick

The same reason why a black man can be President of US but can never be prime minister of UK.

I watch how British tabloids run down black stars like Raheem Sterling, Meghan Markle and co...

On our part, we don't know how to come together to build our community. Black man is a very selfish being

"black man issa selfish being"

That is so correct

Unlimitk:


[s]Pls I was not talking with u.

And no,I wasn't wrong.

I don't know who da fukk u are, or y are u quoting me.

PlsPls lemme sleep, tomorrow is another day.

I'm sure all those things I and that guy were arguing about,u don't know half of it.

So please, abeg leave me[/s]

And yet you dont know simple fortune website. You need to crawl back to the hole you came from

globemoney:

And yet you dont know simple fortune website. You need to crawl back to the hole you came from

I swear this unlimitik guy is annoying. Arguing based on pure passion. No facts. Just extrapolating from what he watches from movies and maybe news channel.

Anyways OP is right. Its clear to see that the UK doesn't have a decent enough representation of affluent blacks/black neighbourhoods. I wouldn't exactly know why because I have not lived in these clime. But it is troubling the position of the black community in the UK and other developed nations, considering other cultures like the Jews and Asians who are thriving in countries away from their home-land by creating their own ooportunities and empowering their communities. Not relying on things like Affirmative action etc. like they have in the US. These other ethnicities somehow have found a formula of going against the grain and making something out of the very little they are afforded. Even when you read about the history/back-story of the Italian American community and their origins. You cant help but marvel at how clever this guys were creating opportunities, expanding their influence in a society that was skeptical about them. To even think that the Italians rocked America with a lot of violence and illegal activities which have become like an acceptable norm and a stereotype woven into the fabric of the American society.

But the black community are still down the ethnicity ladder and enduring the stereotype of violence, poverty. Still smarting from the wounds of Slavery and oppression if yesteryears. Granted this still persist till tomorrow. But if we could learn from the Jews. Leave matter of skin colour but model the Jews to building a society. Even Africa would benefit from it. If you hear the amount of money the Jewish community in America donate back to the homeland. And how they still have strong ties to the homeland ensuring the preservation of the homeland. This is a community that was in the verge of extinction some decades ago.
I dey cry for the black race. Maybe, just maybe we are cursed. :

wetdick:



but in the UK, there are no black middle and upper class majority suburbs

Me know nothing of UK, only USA

Beautyaddy:
Very interesting discussion here.

This is the kind of thread to needs to be push to the front page of Nairaland to get more people into the discussion.

Anyway, one of the reasons maybe why the Asians are more favored by the whites might be due to their skin color which is in almost similarity to the whites...lol!...Or another reason might be due to the fact that most of the Asians were not really enslaved by the whites in the past as compared to the blacks.

Bear in mind that most of those Asian countries already had some kind of independence on their own without the invasion of the whites. China and Japan comes to mind.

but china was partly colonized by japan and also the British. hongkong, singapore, malayasia was colonised by the british, Vietnam by the french, Indonesia by netherlands. so i think, it is not an excuse.

OR maybe the reason blacks in the UK are poor is because they dont create jobs for themselves through entrepreneurship

Basilona:


I swear this unlimitik guy is annoying. Arguing based on pure passion. No facts. Just extrapolating from what he watches from movies and maybe news channel.

Anyways OP is right. Its clear to see that the UK doesn't have a decent enough representation of affluent blacks/black neighbourhoods. I wouldn't exactly know why because I have not lived in these clime. But it is troubling the position of the black community in the UK and other developed nations, considering other cultures like the Jews and Asians who are thriving in countries away from their home-land by creating their own ooportunities and empowering their communities. Not relying on things like Affirmative action etc. like they have in the US. These other ethnicities somehow have found a formula of going against the grain and making something out of the very little they are afforded. Even when you read about the history/back-story of the Italian American community and their origins. You cant help but marvel at how clever this guys were creating opportunities, expanding their influence in a society that was skeptical about them. To even think that the Italians rocked America with a lot of violence and illegal activities which have become like an acceptable norm and a stereotype woven into the fabric of the American society.

But the black community are still down the ethnicity ladder and enduring the stereotype of violence, poverty. Still smarting from the wounds of Slavery and oppression if yesteryears. Granted this still persist till tomorrow. But if we could learn from the Jews. Leave matter of skin colour but model the Jews to building a society. Even Africa would benefit from it. If you hear the amount of money the Jewish community in America donate back to the homeland. And how they still have strong ties to the homeland ensuring the preservation of the homeland. This is a community that was in the verge of extinction some decades ago.
I dey cry for the black race. Maybe, just maybe we are cursed. :

you wrote some valid points, maybe it is now time for us to follow the success model of what works best instead of complaining about racism and past event.

jesmond3945:
when i made my first comment, I stated it clearly that I am talking from experience. Probably you can come to Uk and stay sometime to understand what I am talking about. By fairness every human being should be judged in a balance measured and set in a particular metric. Even in research you subject variables to the same input, thats equality. Take for example, if you are a black in britain you have to work extra hard than other races. You have to prove yourself extra in order to be trusted. There is always a limit set for you in corporate organizations. How many blacks are ceo in uk?. Even employment blacks find it difficult.
For your second argument; You cannot do that because the buying power of black people in uk is already limited, remember you would still pay the same tax like the asian man who have like 5 to 10 of his customers in the middle class. I have seen black businesses too doing well but the reason is because they cater for all and sundry.
Also how do you expect a black man to create opportunity in a white land where the white designed it such a way that every black's opportunity to rise would be frustrated somehow.

i understand you perfectly, should we say instead of forcing ourselves to join white companies, we should just create our own companies and employ our own people in that way we grow and have more black ceos, that is what the indians and other asians are doing.

wetdick:


i understand you perfectly, should we say instead of forcing ourselves to join white companies, we should just create our own companies and employ our own people in that way we grow and have more black ceos, that is what the indians and other asians are doing.

the indians and asians are doing it because of opportunity given to them by white. The white call the shot. Is just like saying a seaport would be carved in onitsha when an igbo man is not even represented well in the govt. Is only when you are given the opportunity that you can now expand. Thats why black people are doing well in sports. The white man allowed them in that section but would not allow them in any other space of influence. Thats why I said is only america. And obama was the result Go and read about black man in white space.

jesmond3945:
the indians and asians are doing it because of opportunity given to them by white. The white call the shot. Is just like saying a seaport would be carved in onitsha when an igbo man is not even represented well in the govt. Is only when you are given the opportunity that you can now expand. Thats why black people are doing well in sports. The white man allowed them in that section but would not allow them in any other space of influence. Thats why I said is only america. And obama was the result Go and read about black man in white space.

i will disagree with you on this. so are you telling me that if a black man open a business today in the uk, the whites will come and close it down.

according to your logic,so you are saying the reason asians are not represented in sports in the UK is because whites didnt allow them, that every opportunity a group of people have is because white people have created a plan for them and not because of your capability and ability

but in america also, we see asians doing exactly the same, creating business and employing their own people and moving up the ladder while africans lag behind.

What comes to mind first is the population. Blacks in UK are less than 3million with over 1million living in greater London while there are over 45million blacks living in the US so

One can't even compare this two countries together in anyway. 'The great migration' also played a huge role, it made lots blacks in the USA migrated to large industrial cities such as Chicago , New York, Philadelphia , Pittsburgh, Washington, D.C. , Detroit, Baltimore , Minneapolis, Boston , New Orleans , Milwaukee , St. Louis , Oakland, Los Angeles, and Long Beach as well as many smaller industrial cities so you'll definitely find a black community doing well in States like this. But I'm sure there are more black ghetto neighborhoods than a rich black neighborhood in the US.

Well I'm sure one would find a black communities doing well in the greater London since that's where they mostly are, but I doubt they would be more than 2-3, I can't tell.

tiptoe1:
What comes to mind first is the population. Blacks in UK are less than 3million with over 1million living in greater London while there are over 45million blacks living in the US so

One can't even compare this two countries together in anyway. 'The great migration' also played a huge role, it made lots blacks in the USA migrated to large industrial cities such as Chicago , New York, Philadelphia , Pittsburgh, Washington, D.C. , Detroit, Baltimore , Minneapolis, Boston , New Orleans , Milwaukee , St. Louis , Oakland, Los Angeles, and Long Beach as well as many smaller industrial cities so you'll definitely find a black community doing well in States like this. But I'm sure there are more black ghetto neighborhoods than a rich black neighborhood in the US.

Well I'm sure one would find a black communities doing well in the greater London since that's where they mostly are, but I doubt they would be more than 2-3, I can't tell.

according to staticitics , indians are almost 2 million in the UK that is 2.3% of uk population but why are they doing better than blacks in general, chinese are 0.7% of the uk population and they are doing better than blacks. why is that? pls i dont want to hear racism because every group is always in a disadvantage in a country not your own

The Op asked a very simple question. Unfortunately comprehension is a big problem in this part of the world.

wetdick:


you wrote some valid points, maybe it is now time for us to follow the success model of what works best instead of complaining about racism and past event.

Exactly. This past month I've been reading and watching lectures and commentaries by reputed black conservatives and scholars in the US who have moved away from the idea of institutionalised racism and believe the US has made a lot of positive progress with regards to racial prejudice. These men are calmly urging other members of the black community to move on and not cling-on to the ideology/paranoia of institutionalised racism. But to make something of themselves especially in a current America that is at its most tolerant and most sensitive to political correctness so much it has been brow-beaten into making some form of restitutive concessions for minorities especially blacks. (think affirmative action, black history month and other concessions other minority groups do not get).

Much Progress will be made if our black brothers would embrace the logic of this right-thinking minds and leaders INSTEAD of the louder and more aggressive liberals/leftists counterparts (Al Sharpton et al.)who are hell-bent on fanning the flames of the racism agenda - always blaming the white-man for their lack of progress.

jesmond3945:
the indians and asians are doing it because of opportunity given to them by white. The white call the shot. Is just like saying a seaport would be carved in onitsha when an igbo man is not even represented well in the govt. Is only when you are given the opportunity that you can now expand. Thats why black people are doing well in sports. The white man allowed them in that section but would not allow them in any other space of influence. Thats why I said is only america. And obama was the result Go and read about black man in white space.

Bros leave this white man will not allow them thing.

Yes we cannot be totally dismissive of these things. But if we rise above and are determined to change the narrative and impact your sphere of influence (positively/negatively) no Gov't can stop you. Go and watch documentaries like "the Men who built America", read about the Rothschild family, the Italian American community/mafia (the Gambino and Bonnano crime families). This were guys who from nothing grew to become so powerful that they became too big to fail for the Government).

For the blacks we have a few elites who are too big too fail at this time (think Oprah, Robert Johnson et al.) if these guys could pool their smarts and establish a secret society like the Jewish elite do (read about conspiracy theories about the Jewish elite). Groups like The NAACP also actively pursue such agenda/model the fortunes of the black community will improve dramatically.

@wetdick, the UK and the US are structured differently. There are no black communities in the UK per se (I have heard of Brixton and Degenham) in London and I do not know of any affluent Asian community in the UK also. The UK system does not work that way. If a place is affluent and you can afford it, you move there - white, black, Asian etc.
Do the answer to your question is that the countries are different and work differently. The population of blacks in the UK is smaller than in America and America as whole is a much larger country. I also dare say that slavery may have contributed to black communities springing up in the USA.

Basilona:


Exactly. This past month I've been reading and watching lectures and commentaries by reputed black conservatives and scholars in the US who have moved away from the idea of institutionalised racism and believe the US has made a lot of positive progress with regards to racial prejudice. These men are calmly urging other members of the black community to move on and not cling-on to the ideology/paranoia of institutionalised racism. But to make something of themselves especially in a current America that is at its most tolerant and most sensitive to political correctness so much it has been brow-beaten into making some form of restitutive concessions for minorities especially blacks. (think affirmative action, black history month and other concessions other minority groups do not get).

Much Progress will be made if our black brothers would embrace the logic of this right-thinking minds and leaders INSTEAD of the louder and more aggressive liberals/leftists counterparts (Al Sharpton et al.)who are hell-bent on fanning the flames of the racism agenda - always blaming the white-man for their lack of progress.



Bros leave this white man will not allow them thing.

Yes we cannot be totally dismissive of these things. But if we rise above and are determined to change the narrative and impact your sphere of influence (positively/negatively) no Gov't can stop you. Go and watch documentaries like "the Men who built America", read about the Rothschild family, the Italian American community/mafia (the Gambino and Bonnano crime families). This were guys who from nothing grew to become so powerful that they became too big to fail for the Government).

For the blacks we have a few elites who are too big too fail at this time (think Oprah, Robert Johnson et al.) if these guys could pool their smarts and establish a secret society like the Jewish elite do (read about conspiracy theories about the Jewish elite). Groups like The NAACP also actively pursue such agenda/model the fortunes of the black community will improve dramatically.

i said that if it was UK it would be difficult not America. It is not insurmountable but doable and at the same time very difficult in Uk.

wetdick:


i will disagree with you on this. so are you telling me that if a black man open a business today in the uk, the whites will come and close it down.

according to your logic,so you are saying the reason asians are not represented in sports in the UK is because whites didnt allow them, that every opportunity a group of people have is because white people have created a plan for them and not because of your capability and ability

but in america also, we see asians doing exactly the same, creating business and employing their own people and moving up the ladder while africans lag behind.

i said there are blacks doing largely well in UK but the system was designed to frustrate them. Take for example an african can open shop but if he wants to get some incentives for his business he would get some and not all unlike an asian who will have enough access to achieve success for his business. In sports asians like cricket more than soccer. So is all about interest. If they loved football they would have displaced blacks.
Thats why the black have resorted to joining gangs, some have joined sports full time were they are accepted and heard.

I heard they are many rich Nigerian men in the UK, living in rich predominately white neighborhood s

wetdick:


but china was partly colonized by japan and also the British. hongkong, singapore, malayasia was colonised by the british, Vietnam by the french, Indonesia by netherlands. so i think, it is not an excuse.

OR maybe the reason blacks in the UK are poor is because they dont create jobs for themselves through entrepreneurship

You know, come to think of it...the UK is not an immigrant country as compared to the US.

I want to believe that the UK just seems to show some kind of accommodation to foreigners out of showing it in a superficial way to promote diversity.

The US on the other hand has to allow diversity because of its history and how the country came to be in existence.

A better comparison would be between the US and Canada as to why there are no affluent black communities in Canada compared to the US.

Beautyaddy:


You know, come to think of it...the UK is not an immigrant country as compared to the US.

I want to believe that the UK just seems to show some kind of accommodation to foreigners out of showing it in a superficial way to promote diversity.

The US on the other hand has to allow diversity because of its history and how the country came to be in existence.

A better comparison would be between the US and Canada as to why there are no affluent black communities in Canada compared to the US.

I disagree. Blacks make up 2 percent of the Canadian population and probably at best half of that 2 percent aren't even first generation. Black influence in Canada is at it's infancy. The black Americans who crossed the border during the American civil war don't count I feel.

maternal:


I disagree. Blacks make up 2 percent of the Canadian population and probably at best half of that 2 percent aren't even first generation. Black influence in Canada is at it's infancy. The black Americans who crossed the border during the American civil war don't count I feel.

Hmmm...and why is that?

I learnt that there's a number of affluent Asians communities in Canada...especially in the Vancouver area of British Columbia province .


So what is the excuse of the Blacks presently living in Canada...even if their population is low?

Beautyaddy:


Hmmm...and why is that?

I learnt that there's a number of affluent Asians communities in Canada...especially in the Vancouver area of British Columbia province .


So what is the excuse of the Blacks presently living in Canada...even if their population is low?

Those blacks think and act like black Americans down south. They have a victim mentality.

There's a few affluent Asian communities in B.C. they're into money laundering from China. They don't count. Most legit Asian aren't better off than blacks.

It's like counting the Nigerians who do 419 as a affluent African group. And racism towards blacks is worse than any other visible minority group here.

dustydee:
@wetdick, the UK and the US are structured differently. There are no black communities in the UK per se (I have heard of Brixton and Degenham) in London and I do not know of any affluent Asian community in the UK also. The UK system does not work that way. If a place is affluent and you can afford it, you move there - white, black, Asian etc.
Do the answer to your question is that the countries are different and work differently. The population of blacks in the UK is smaller than in America and America as whole is a much larger country. I also dare say that slavery may have contributed to black communities springing up in the USA.

brixton and Dagenham are not affluent areas, but just black communities, the asians do have predominately middle class asian communities in the UK