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Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Gforce2019: 7:01am On Mar 27, 2019
Gsteve01:
Their problem. Make dem use the penalty load us airtime na!
Buhari go kuku squander the money!
The boy above me has a destiny fixed to that useless fixed odd. cheesy
... and your own destiny has been melted in liquid substance.
Eediot yamiri!
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by shaibolo(m): 7:01am On Mar 27, 2019
While not holding brief for MTN, I don't think that the Attorney General has the power to order any body to pay a tax. The State Internal Revenue Service or the FIRS should be in that position.

However, MTN's argument with respect to back duty is tepid and will not fly.

Let due process be followed sha.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by gare(f): 7:03am On Mar 27, 2019
Preator:
Our laws provides for the right to fair representation/hearing. You may employ the best legal team money can buy. And its a case of innocent until proven guilty.
Don't mind all this school fees drop outs, with nothing upstairs
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Preator: 7:04am On Mar 27, 2019
Actuarydeji:
Abi! What happened in New Zealand is a clear example that our lawyers are stomach infrastructure. Offa robbery suspect have a lawyer defending them, but in New Zealand no lawyer step forward to defend the terrorist that killed people in a mosque.
I don't know about the new Zealander case however, if lawyers refuse him their counsel, the State should get him one and pay for it. That is his right as enshrine in international human rights. It does not matter how grievous his crime was. It is a perversion of justice when we start deciding that law should be applied selectively. It ultimately leads to chaos and anarchy.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by frugal(m): 7:05am On Mar 27, 2019
sonature1:
Buhari may be a dullard, but I like his tough stance in disciplining certain people and companies.

He should extend that to his cabinet members to be taken seriously.

Despite all the noise about Buhari fighting corruption and improving Nigerian economy, all the widely accepted rating standards for Nigeria remain negative or below average. This is not good for an administration that blows its own trumpet.
The tough stance is why businesses are folding up and running away, and new ones not willing to come in and invest.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Nobody: 7:31am On Mar 27, 2019
Let them pay abegi, they have the money.
Only one department in MTN can raise that money.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by israelmao(m):
MTN is ripping off most Nigerians of their hard earned money they too should have a feel of it.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by MyGeneration(m): 7:48am On Mar 27, 2019
Lovelyn451:
MTN pay your tax, your level of income has increased over the years, you can't keep paying the same amount every year...with all their business innovation that is pumping in money, the tax should be more than $2b sef
But the fines are becoming too much on Mtn. Mtn is one of Nigeria's best companies, let us not drive them away with all these fines, apart from Mtn network no other Network in Nigeria is 100percent reliable.

Then imagine a world without Mtn Glo might even reduce from bad to worst since competition is no longer there.

Mtn just paid over 1billiion dollar fine by the Nigerian government last year, now another fine. Have you not discovered that Mtn no longer does any free stuff any more, and all those its project fame and the rest.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Lovelyn451(f): 7:56am On Mar 27, 2019
MyGeneration:
But the fines are becoming too much on Mtn. Mtn is one of Nigeria's best companies, let us not drive them away with all these fines, apart from Mtn network no other Network in Nigeria is 100percent reliable.

Then imagine a world without Mtn Glo might even reduce from bad to worst since competition is no longer there.

Mtn just paid over 1billiion dollar fine by the Nigerian government last year, now another fine. Have you not discovered that Mtn no longer does any free stuff any more, and all those its project fame and the rest.
tax is a civic duty, it is not negotiable, whether they do free stuff or not, tax must be paid
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by MyGeneration(m): 7:58am On Mar 27, 2019
Lovelyn451:
tax is a civic duty, it is not negotiable, whether they do free stuff or not, tax must be paid
2bililion dollar tax penalty. Its not mtn's fault that previous administrations preferred bribe over going through there tax books.

The Nigerian government does not know the exact tax Mtn is owing they just fined them 2billion dollars just like that.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Rollitout: 8:10am On Mar 27, 2019
edunwablog:
The Federal Government has insisted that telecommunications firm, MTN, must pay the $2 billion tax penalty slammed on it by the office of the Attorney-General of the Federation.

At hearing of the case yesterday, government lawyer, Tijani Gazali, according to Bloomberg, prayed the Lagos High Court to throw out the Johannesburg-based company’s application to stop it from paying backdated taxes.

However, MTN’s counsel, Wole Olanipekun, said the Attorney-General of the Federation and Minister of Justice, Abubakar Malami, who imposed the penalty, lacked the powers to do so.

The firm had previously denied it did not pay taxes properly in the West African nation. The case was adjourned until May 7.

Meanwhile, the matter resulted in MTN shares falling as much a 6.8 per cent, the most since October 5 before paring losses to 0.1 per cent by close in Johannesburg.

The share price has fallen 16 per cent since it was hit by a double Nigerian penalty in mid-2018.

The Central Bank of Nigeria first ordered it to transfer $8.1 billion of repatriated dividends back to the country before Malami announced the measure on taxes.

The company settled the former dispute in December, agreeing to send back $53 million and clearing itself of any wrongdoing.

https://www.akelicious.net/2019/03/government-insists-on-mtn-paying-2b-tax.html
No wonder there data service gets exhausted on time 2GB is consumed within 10days
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by MondayOsunbor(m): 8:12am On Mar 27, 2019
Kids of these days sef .if not for MTN I remember that Nigerian Govt had concluded that poor people have no use for phones
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Lovelyn451(f): 8:21am On Mar 27, 2019
MyGeneration:
2bililion dollar tax penalty. Its not mtn's fault that previous administrations preferred bribe over going through there tax books.

The Nigerian government does not know the exact tax Mtn is owing they just fined them 2billion dollars just like that.
this is why FIRS keep educating people on how to calculate their tax and even pay online, big companies that pay big taxes cos of the level of their income should know better

They are business people, they know what they're owing...$2b might even be too small but they want to make a big deal of it cos they're dealing with mumu people( Nigeria)
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by sonature1: 8:37am On Mar 27, 2019
frugal:
The tough stance is why businesses are folding up and running away, and new ones not willing to come in and invest.
I know that u lots are used to Nigeria being a lawless country, but this country needs a paradigm change.

Yes, MTN must pay the fine.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by grandstar(m):
This government and anti-market business policies.

At a time the country is in need of foreign investors,you decide to punish one of the largest.

The judgment is arbitrary. It's like the type slammed on BNP Paribas of $8.9b in the US. Judges aren't businessmen or economists.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by writeprof(m): 8:47am On Mar 27, 2019
MTN should be fined more than that for the many ways they defraud us. I borrowed #100 for an urgent call last night. The call was not picked. This morning I sent sms at least leaving me with #80 airtime. I bought #100 mtn airtime this morning and after loading it, I checked my balance, it was ZERO!
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by 9jaRealist: 9:03am On Mar 27, 2019
Actuarydeji:
It is a pity that our lawyers have subjected their profession to a mockery thing and also I don't see any to be professional anymore. Imagine, MTN sending billions of dollars to SA and these shameless and unrepented lawyers are still defending MTN and even trying to tell the AGF that he lacks the power to impose taxes on MTN. Can Globacom try that in Ghana? It is not possible! Kick out the stupid company out of Nigeria, after all their workers were treated as a second class citizen in their country. What a shame!
Why shouldn’t they send billions to SA? Didn’t they bring billions to Nigeria? shocked

We Nigerians cannot be bitching about the crude xenophobia of many South Africans when a lot of Nigerians are just as XENOPHOBIC (or even worse in many cases). And the most appalling thing about Nigerian xenophobia is that Nigerians make a living all across the globe, and even brag about send back tens of billions of dollars from those countries back to Nigeria. SMH
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by zabuur: 9:15am On Mar 27, 2019
I don't know if this solution is lawful.

Retrieve their license. Chase them out of the country. Disallow them to take even a pen. Auction all their assets.

We will definitely recover a significant part of the tax
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by thedio(m): 9:19am On Mar 27, 2019
MyGeneration:
2bililion dollar tax penalty. Its not mtn's fault that previous administrations preferred bribe over going through there tax books.

The Nigerian government does not know the exact tax Mtn is owing they just fined them 2billion dollars just like that.
guy r very funny,its not their fault that they refused to do the right thing
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by 9jaRealist:
Many Nigerians seem unable to grasp the basic concept of RULE OF LAW - and the government apparently even less so...

The Attorney-General is NOT the tax authority and CANNOT just wake up one day and proclaim anyone’s (foreign or Nigerian taxpayer’s) tax liability from numbers that he might as well have pulled out from his backside. The LAW provides a statutory process of assessing and determining taxpayers’ tax liabilities, including an appeal process and a judicial determination of any alleged liability (if necessary). Even with such a horribly incompetent Attorney-General (as seen with respect to several other matters), obeisance and respect for our own properly-constituted laws should be the very minimum requirement for a nation that portends (or even publicly pretends) to be nation of laws.

Nigerians often ponder why and bemoan the fact that Nigeria does not receive anywhere near the levels of foreign investment that many other countries of similar endowment and characteristics receive (and that even much smaller African markets such as Ghana and Rwanda receive even much higher levels of investment), but this is a PRIMARY reason why - the arbitrary and cavalier disrespect for the rule of law. Contrary to much of the (frankly xenophobic) sentiment being expressed on many comments here, foreign investors are NOT against paying taxes or fulfilling other corporate obligations. They just want a TRANSPARENT/PREDICTABLE process not arbitrary ministerial proclamations.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by 9jaRealist: 9:34am On Mar 27, 2019
zabuur:
I don't know if this solution is lawful.

Retrieve their license. Chase them out of the country. Disallow them to take even a pen. Auction all their assets.

We will definitely recover a significant part of the tax
Yes, go ahead and expropriate their assets and see EVERY Nigerian public asset abroad (including reserves abroad and even crude oil sales revenue) become subject to seizure and garnishment in foreign courts. The rest of the world is not governed by the rules of the ZOO! SMH
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by 9jaRealist: 9:45am On Mar 27, 2019
sonature1:
I know that u lots are used to Nigeria being a lawless country, but this country needs a paradigm change.

Yes, MTN must pay the fine.
Nope! It is the government and the AG that are being lawless...
Nigeria’s own tax code clearly sets out who the tax authorities are, and provides for taxpayers to contest their alleged tax liabilities.

Meanwhile, NOT all “change” is good...
Change from mere incompetence to lawless brigandage might well be considered as “paradigm” but it also, worse, clearly DISASTROUS!
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Gsteve01(m): 10:49am On Mar 27, 2019
Na the liquid substance dey worry your life ba.
Drunk gambler
Gforce2019:
... and your own destiny has been melted in liquid substance.
Eediot yamiri!
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Actuarydeji(m): 7:25pm On Mar 27, 2019
9jaRealist:
Why shouldn’t they send billions to SA? Didn’t they bring billions to Nigeria? shocked

We Nigerians cannot be bitching about the crude xenophobia of many South Africans when a lot of Nigerians are just as XENOPHOBIC (or even worse in many cases). And the most appalling thing about Nigerian xenophobia is that Nigerians make a living all across the globe, and even brag about send back tens of billions of dollars from those countries back to Nigeria. SMH
You just displayed your ignorance. Go and do your research, they only came with ideal, an abstract ideology
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Okeyc230: 9:38pm On Mar 27, 2019
Foolish govt oooo. MTN is aggressively moping people's data to pay the penalty.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by 9jaRealist: 11:20pm On Mar 27, 2019
Actuarydeji:
You just displayed your ignorance. Go and do your research, they only came with ideal, an abstract ideology
I decline to climb down into the gutter of personal insults with you, because I was raised much better...

Nonetheless, on the SUBSTANCE of the matter under discourse, I do not exactly what you are trying to say by “ideal, an abstract ideology” but we all know for a certainty that MTN brought $285 million to pay for its operating license, and pursuant thereto brought in billions of dollars to build thousands of cell sites across Nigeria. Of course because Nigeria is a country disgracefully characterized by prevalent insecurity and poor-to-nonexistent infrastructure each cell site meant not only paying for CofOs and to the local baale or chief, but also paying for private security and sometimes local vigilantes or the often ubiquitous so-called ‘youth groups’, and because Nigeria shamefully cannot adequately provide even basic public electricity paying for 1 or 2 generators per site (the 2d generator to backup the 1st).

MTN’s investment and operations has provided TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS FOR NIGERIANS directly and even more jobs indirectly, many of such Nigerians who would otherwise be pulling thug duties for the corrupt politicians that so many Nigerians idolize and worship or engage in Yahoo, cultism, stealing used panties and such other nefarious activities. Those jobs not only provide these Nigerians with a decent honest livelihood that affords them the means to take care of their families and contribute to general economic activities (by buying stuff, paying rent, going to the dentist, etc.), but the income taxes paid by each job holder generates revenue for the government which (if not first stolen by the politicians you are cheering for) is then be invested in social infrastructure such as schools, healthcare and public transportation.

It is rather shocking that a lot of Nigerians apparently do not have a basic understanding of how market economies work, but whether you are an Akara ball or Aso oke seller, ultimately every market participant (or investor) seeks to get more from the market than they came in with.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Actuarydeji(m): 5:07am On Mar 28, 2019
9jaRealist:
I never meant to insult you. I am very sorry
I decline to climb down into the gutter of personal insults with you, because I was raised much better...

Nonetheless, on the SUBSTANCE of the matter under discourse, I do not exactly what you are trying to say by “ideal, an abstract ideology” but we all know for a certainty that MTN brought $285 million to pay for its operating license, and pursuant thereto brought in billions of dollars to build thousands of cell sites across Nigeria. Of course because Nigeria is a country disgracefully characterized by prevalent insecurity and poor-to-nonexistent infrastructure each cell site meant not only paying for CofOs and to the local baale or chief, but also paying for private security and sometimes local vigilantes or the often ubiquitous so-called ‘youth groups’, and because Nigeria shamefully cannot adequately provide even basic public electricity paying for 1 or 2 generators per site (the 2d generator to backup the 1st).

MTN’s investment and operations has provided TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS FOR NIGERIANS directly and even more jobs indirectly, many of such Nigerians who would otherwise be pulling thug duties for the corrupt politicians that so many Nigerians idolize and worship or engage in Yahoo, cultism, stealing used panties and such other nefarious activities. Those jobs not only provide these Nigerians with a decent honest livelihood that affords them the means to take care of their families and contribute to general economic activities (by buying stuff, paying rent, going to the dentist, etc.), but the income taxes paid by each job holder generates revenue for the government which (if not first stolen by the politicians you are cheering for) is then be invested in social infrastructure such as schools, healthcare and public transportation.

It is rather shocking that a lot of Nigerians apparently do not have a basic understanding of how market economies work, but whether you are an Akara ball or Aso oke seller, ultimately every market participant (or investor) seeks to get more from the market than they came in with.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by Nobody: 6:08am On Mar 28, 2019
9jaRealist:
Many Nigerians seem unable to grasp the basic concept of RULE OF LAW - and the government apparently even less so...

The Attorney-General is NOT the tax authority and CANNOT just wake up one day and proclaim anyone’s (foreign or Nigerian taxpayer’s) tax liability from numbers that he might as well have pulled out from his backside. The LAW provides a statutory process of assessing and determining taxpayers’ tax liabilities, including an appeal process and a judicial determination of any alleged liability (if necessary). Even with such a horribly incompetent Attorney-General (as seen with respect to several other matters), obeisance and respect for our own properly-constituted laws should be the very minimum requirement for a nation that portends (or even publicly pretends) to be nation of laws.

Nigerians often ponder why and bemoan the fact that Nigeria does not receive anywhere near the levels of foreign investment that many other countries of similar endowment and characteristics receive (and that even much smaller African markets such as Ghana and Rwanda receive even much higher levels of investment), but this is a PRIMARY reason why - the arbitrary and cavalier disrespect for the rule of law. Contrary to much of the (frankly xenophobic) sentiment being expressed on many comments here, foreign investors are NOT against paying taxes or fulfilling other corporate obligations. They just expect a TRANSPARENT/PREDICTABLE process not arbitrary ministerial proclamations.
I like your comment. It is sad that most Nigerians are talking from a point of ignorance. This move by Buhari's administration on MTN will kill off any FID from coming into the country. The investors just want a transparent tax process if the government feels they are owing, just calculate the arrears and bill them based on it, not just slamming them fines based on fists.
Re: Government Insists On MTN Paying $2b Tax Penalty by 9jaRealist: 10:39am On Mar 28, 2019
Actuarydeji:
I never meant to insult you. I am very sorry
No problem Bros. cool
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