Janosky:


1 John1:8-10 was NEVER addressed to unbelievers.
Sin is not existing in their worldview.


"If we confess our sins...." (A)
"he is faithful so as to forgive us.(B)

A' leads to B' ,in the absence of A to B, the result is C'
**'C'
".If we make the statement,'we have no sin', we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us..... we are making him a liar and his word is not in us"

Luke 18:9-14 is rocket science. Pharisees can not understand it.
Oma se oooo

Tfbaby:


Sir I've passed the level of sin....like am above sin the reason why you find this hard to comprehend is because you're still a babe, Does God sin? Does Jesus sin?? Or can the Holy Ghost commit sin

Don't worry if you want to overcome sin I can help you out sir
Please read the following scriptures so you can understand my POV sir john 10:30,17:18-22, 1corinthinas 6:17
Please Note: AM NOT A HUMAN BEING AM A SPIRIT

UceeGod:

This 1000 years training you're talking about has no Biblical basis. The millenial reign is about reigning with Christ in heaven not training. Full perfection comes after Christ's second coming and our transfiguration. When a child of God commits sins, those sins are covered by the blood of Jesus, God doesn't see his sins anymore (i.e if he doesn't sin willingly).

Tfbaby:


In short what you're trying to say is that you can't be perfect as long as you're alive right?

Janosky:


1 John1:8-10 was NEVER addressed to unbelievers.
Sin is not existing in their worldview.


"If we confess our sins...." (A)
"he is faithful so as to forgive us.(B)

A' leads to B' ,in the absence of A to B, the result is C'
**'C'
".If we make the statement,'we have no sin', we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us..... we are making him a liar and his word is not in us"

Luke 18:9-14 is rocket science. Pharisees can not understand it.
Oma se oooo

bloodofthelamb:


First off, apostle John letter is the only letter that began without greetings to the saints. John wrote to the church addressing gnostic among them in chapter 1, while he now turned his attention to the saints in chapter 2.

John made it clear in chapter 2 that if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father who pleads our case unrepentantly.

With all thy getting, get understanding. It is life!

Janosky:


The first century Christians in John's day were believers, not Gnostics or Agnostics.

"John wrote to the Church addressing gnostic among them"
False claims and conjecture.

"John made it clear in chapter 2 that if we sin", according to "bloodofthelamb".

*** My questions to you:
why would any believer sin since he is already perfect ?
** and his sins "have been forgiven already"?


*** Col3:13, "CONTINUE putting up with one another forgiving one another freely "
** Ephesians 4:32" Forgiving each other "
In this v32 the word "Forgiving" is present continuous tense. That is an action you never stop to practice.
Why would you need to "continue putting up ( forgiving)" or "bear with each other" since you are perfect and your fellow believers are perfect too?

Dtruthspeaker:



I know are going out ask if I am on track and the answer is, it is really not Your Business as you would be on Trial too, answering your own offences in your own case

Janosky:


Spirit ke !!
I no go laugh....

God has never sinned , like wise Jesus ..They are absolutely perfect. (Original perfection. ,spotless).
NEVER sinned!

But no man has ever been absolutely perfect all the time.(U know say mint tear rubber car & thoroughly washed car no be same thing)

You admitted you used to sin before


Therefore to be like God& Jesus,you have to copy them.

"Become IMITATORS of me even as I IMITATE Christ" 1 Cor11:1
Evens zealous minister confessed his frailties (Acts 7:15-24)

In Matt5:48 , we dey imitate (or photo copy) God's perfection ,but only God is perfect in the absolute sense.(Luke 18:19)

Janosky:


*** My questions to you:
why would any believer sin since he is already perfect ?
** and his sins "have been forgiven already"?

*** Col3:13, "CONTINUE putting up with one another forgiving one another freely "
** Ephesians 4:32" Forgiving each other "
In this v32 the word "Forgiving" is present continuous tense. That is an action you never stop to practice.
Why would you need to "continue putting up ( forgiving)" or "bear with each other" since you are perfect and your fellow believers are perfect too?

Maximus69:
You could have asked for the Biblical basis,instead of arguing.
Jesus will reign in heaven with 144,000 anointed[born again] Christians, they are the ones who will be dispensing spiritual food for millions of earth's inhabitants. Though you may not understand what i meant by TRAINING but try to meditate on the scripture that says earths in inhabitants were told 'fear God and give him glory' Revelations 14:7,8
Now these ones will be here on earth when the anointed ones will be with Jesus in heaven!
The training is about attaining perfection before the 1,000 years ends. All those who have died without the knowledge of Christ will be opportuned to learn about all that Jesus taught us before they can have everlasting life! Revelations 20:11-13

Maximus69:
You could have asked for the Biblical basis,instead of arguing.
Jesus will reign in heaven with 144,000 anointed[born again] Christians, they are the ones who will be dispensing spiritual food for millions of earth's inhabitants. Though you may not understand what i meant by TRAINING but try to meditate on the scripture that says earths in inhabitants were told 'fear God and give him glory' Revelations 14:7,8
Now these ones will be here on earth when the anointed ones will be with Jesus in heaven!
The training is about attaining perfection before the 1,000 years ends. All those who have died without the knowledge of Christ will be opportuned to learn about all that Jesus taught us before they can have everlasting life! Revelations 20:11-13

Tfbaby:


No now...........
Revelation 20 is strictly talking about judgement sir.
Their won't be need for any kinda training because Jesus already ministered to the dead
We need to understand the essence of Jesus death he didn't just die for the living but for the dead read 1Pet.3.18 - For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: [KJV]
1Pet.3.19 - So he went and preached to the spirits in prison-- [NLT]
1Pet.3.20 - those who disobeyed God long ago when God waited patiently while Noah was building his boat. Only eight people were saved from drowning in that terrible flood. [NLT] you should read the whole chapter for context sake

Maximus69:
Yes it is written! But to which spirits did Jesus preached?
Because if Jesus preached to the living and they argued with him,it is because they're still alive and they've got so many options. But the dead are conscious of nothing as in NOTHING at all! Ecclesiastes 9:4-10
Moreover the word PREACH could also means pleading with someone to have a change of heart or telling someone what God is prepared to do, so which did Jesus do between the two and to which spirits?

Tfbaby:


Please where is it stated in the Bible that Jesus will reign with 144,000 anointed Christians?

Tfbaby:


According to this scripture the spirits in prison are the dead, those who died before he came you should read from vs 1 to the end

Maximus69:
Carefully read and prayerfully meditate on Revelations 3:2,21 14:1, 20:6

Maximus69:
But according to the scriptures Sir the dead can't listen,talk or think of anything! Ecclesiastes 10:6
I have read that chapter several times and it never specify the spirit Jesus preached to,but it is clear that
¤There are spirits[angels] that God kept in prison. 2Peter 2:4 Jude 6
¤These spirits knew God will destroy them but don't know time or date of their destruction! Luke 8:28-31
¤These spirits keep watching and listening to Christians preaching whether God has revealed that date to us! 1Peter 1:12
So it is these angels that Jesus preached to NOT verbally but by his death because they knew that after his resurrection, Jesus will return to heaven and that means their doom is closer than ever! Psalm 110:1 compare with Revelations 12:7-9
These fallen angels have been excommunicated from God so they're watching all the activities of ancient servants of God and TRUE Christians to ascertain when their destruction will be! 2Peter 2:4
For your information Sir,that is another reason why Jesus never mentioned the date or hour of his coming! Matthew 13:32

Tfbaby:


Please where is it stated in the Bible that Jesus will reign with 144,000 anointed Christians?

achorladey:


I was looking at the post you picked this question of yours from and I was just laughing about this part.........ANOINTED( BORN AGAIN) CHRISTIAN. Which one be ANOINTED CHRISTIAN again? The word CHRIST which means ANOINTED ONE. From the above ANOINTED CHRISTIANS will mean ANOINTED ANOINTED follower. Tautology at its best. Perhaps is just another terminology used to continually make or SEGREGATE fellow Christians.

Maximus69:
But according to the scriptures Sir the dead can't listen,talk or think of anything! Ecclesiastes 10:6

Eccl.10.6 - Folly is set in great dignity, and the rich sit in low place. [KJV]

I have read that chapter several times and it never specify the spirit Jesus preached to,but it is clear that
¤There are spirits[angels] that God kept in prison. 2Peter 2:4 Jude 6
¤These spirits knew God will destroy them but don't know time or date of their destruction! Luke 8:28-31
¤These spirits keep watching and listening to Christians preaching whether God has revealed that date to us! 1Peter 1:12
So it is these angels that Jesus preached to NOT verbally but by his death because they knew that after his resurrection, Jesus will return to heaven and that means their doom is closer than ever! Psalm 110:1 compare with Revelations 12:7-9
These fallen angels have been excommunicated from God so they're watching all the activities of ancient servants of God and TRUE Christians to ascertain when their destruction will be! 2Peter 2:4
For your information Sir,that is another reason why Jesus never mentioned the date or hour of his coming! Matthew 13:32

Tfbaby:


That's what I saw sir

Tfbaby:


Sir this clearly shows that you didn't read my write up especially 1Corinthian 6:17 perfection does not come by been a believer as believer you are a babe, you can only attain the level of perfection when your spirit becomes one with God let me give you some scriptures here but please read them John 4:24 God is a spirit and those that worship him should worship him in spirit, John 10:30 For I and my father are one/same,
1 Corinthians 6:17 He that is joined to the lord is ONE SPIRIT perfection won't come once you believe read Hebrew 10;12 perfection are for mature Christians not believers

Tfbaby:


Try reading it in different translations sir you will understand
1Pet.3.20 - [The souls of those] who long before in the days of Noah had been disobedient, when God 's patience waited during the building of the ark in which a few [people], actually eight in number, were saved through water. [AMP]

Though the fallenangels also are also in hell but the interest of God is in man not in the fallen
2Pet.2.4 - For God did not spare even the angels when they sinned; he threw them into hell, in gloomy caves and darkness until the judgment day. [NLT]

Tfbaby:


That's what I saw sir

Janosky:

this liar say flesh and blood living on earth na spirit 1cor15:50

Maximus69:
The reality is humans aren't spirits unlike angels. When we die,nothing survives us! So there is no life human or spirit in hell!

Tfbaby:


Sir you can't just conclude that spirit in hell or Humans aren't spirit cause that's what you believe or know things doesn't work that way cos what I believe know and practice is different from what you believe cos when a human being dies its only his/her body that is dead

at this point sir I will have to ask you some question
Sir when on the Judgement day what is going to be Judged is it the Body, Spirit or Soul?

Dan.7.15 - I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. [KJV] which spirit was Daniel referring to in this scripture?
Zech.12.1 - The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. [KJV] is it not the word of God that forms the spirit of man WITHIN him

Job.32.18 - For I am full of matter, the spirit within me constraineth me. [KJV] was Job also talking about Ghost

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Maximus69
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Janosky:

You told us you are perfect you are spirit, you are one with God, U done ever see God or even his angels?

You should provide an answer to your question ,what will be judged- body ,spirit or soul? which one will be judged? use scriptures to prove your claims.

Tfbaby:


Sir you can't just conclude that spirit in hell or Humans aren't spirit cause that's what you believe or know things doesn't work that way cos what I believe know and practice is different from what you believe cos when a human being dies its only his/her body that is dead

at this point sir I will have to ask you some question
Sir when on the Judgement day what is going to be Judged is it the Body, Spirit or Soul?

Dan.7.15 - I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. [KJV] which spirit was Daniel referring to in this scripture?
Zech.12.1 - The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. [KJV] is it not the word of God that forms the spirit of man WITHIN him

Job.32.18 - For I am full of matter, the spirit within me constraineth me. [KJV] was Job also talking about Ghost

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Maximus69
Johnw47