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Westtimeline:
So you people can even lie that bini kingdom is second oldest kingdom after Egypt kingdom. That got me rolling. To start with, Egypt kingdom is not even the first kingdom. Benin kingdom that came into existence 40 years after oyo empire.

Benin kingdom came inv1440, oyo kingdom 1400.

These dates were fixed by academic revisionist. Dates can have up to 100years error during that period of history in sub saharan africa

Onijagidijagan:
Oduduwa is Yoruba and Yoruba only

Oduduwa has nothing to do with Benin. Also Oba oranmiyan is the first Oba of Benin not Eweka. ORANMIYAN was d first to Introduced a Yoruba title to Edo-state.

Go to Edo State any towns that are OBA by title, the natives bears Yoruba names. e. g Afemai, akoko Edo and some parts of Benin town

you were making sense till your last paragraph.... The akoko Edos don't have oba. Only Benin have that title in Edo state. Because part of Akoko Edo bear some Yoruba names don't make dem Yoruba. Go to Igbake in Edo state they also bear Igbo names.

MXrep:
You should bring logical arguments to counter the hard facts from benin people here and keep igbo out of your misery

Igbo man what more logical argument do you need?
Is Oba not a Yoruba title? The Non Yorubas are claiming the title and in your logical mind is fact?
The "Benin" word is a Yoruba words of Ile-ibinu (the land of vexation ).

The official language of Oba of Benin Palace was Yoruba language before it was banned

When their kings dies, he's buried in Ile Ife.

There are a lot of Yoruba representation in the Niger delta more pronounced than the Benin culture but Benin people will lay claims to it. we won't argue with Yoruba haters for now

OgboAto:
Oduduwa was from Oke Ora [Ora Hills] in the eastern part of Ife. Ife East LGA covers the area even. Oduduwa was a local not a migrant from Bini or Mecca. He was a proper Ife man whose family is in Idio section of Ife where he lived & died.

To the Bini: did the lost Bini wanderer who ended up in Ughoton come with relatives to Ife?

The places you are mentioning were his abodes during transition from benin to ife

BuhariAdvocate:
I don't like arguing the fact like benin people .Benin historian refused to show us a concrete evidence that Yoruba people came from Benin. However Yoruba historian provided fact that oromiyan was sent to Benin. But despite this fact there is no evidence that oromiyan is aboriginal because when he got to Benin he married a king daughter that gave birth to eweka.

Na online they always shout.

Onijagidijagan:
Igbo man what logical argument do you need? Is Oba not a Yoruba title? Non Yorubas are claiming the title and in your logical mind is fact?
The "Benin" word is a Yoruba words of Ile-ibinu (the land of vexation ).
The official language of Oba of Benin Palace was Yoruba language before it was banned

When their kings dies, he's buried in Ile Ife.

There are a lot of Yoruba representation in the Niger delta more pronounced than the Benin culture but Benin people will lay claims to it. we won't argue with Yoruba haters for now

And you forgot the impact of yoruba imperialism of the Western region era

MXrep:
How did Nupe take benin title of oba? Instead of their own etsu title?

There was no Oba in Benin before Oranmiyan the son of Oduduwa.

They were called Ogiso

EdiAbali:
There is no conflict whether Yoruba originated from Benin Kingdom or vice versa

It was very clear that Oduduwa was a prince from Benin kingdom sent on exile

The Yoruba don't want to accept this historical fact because of their ego. This won't change the truth that the prince of Benin Kingdom was the Father of Yoruba people.
The Oba of Lagos who is a descendant of Benin Prince have confirmed it so many times
Yoruba people should accept it and be proud as descendants of the Great Benin Kingdom just like every other group in the Niger Delta and stop the so called yeye conflicts.

From your argument " a prince of Benin is the father of the Yorubas"....Ok. now let's reason logically.
In Set theory, a subset can't be greater than the Universal set.
How come, the offspring of a prince of Benin (Oduduwa) kingdom (the Yorubas) is over 10 times the population/Size of the Bini kingdom itself. Bini is just an equivalent of the Ijebus, Oyos, Egbas, Ileshas (which are fractions/subset of the Yoruba) in size and population.
Can a rat give birth to an elephant?
Your arguments lacks logic.

MXrep:
These dates were fixed by academic revisionist. Dates can have up to 100years error during that period of history in sub saharan africa

Lol, so African historians that are not Nigerians that talk about all kingdoms in Africa and the time they came are distortionist. History that have been written since years ago. You must know better then

Iamgrey5:
There was no Oba in Benin before Oranmiyan the son of Oduduwa.

They were called Ogiso

But the benin said that ogiso means king of the sky, how do you explain yoruba claim of oduduwa falling from the sky?

Binikingdowm:
Yoruba's and Benin have already been existing separately long before oduduwa came.

Oduduwa only came across the present Yoruba in ile Ife when he was wandering around the forest. The people found him and took him in.

The first word he spoke to them is "ile Ife" a corrupted version of Benin "I've run to wealth".

After he was banished, this " ogiamen" family wanted to take over the ruler ship of Benin but was resisted so that caused caused in the then "igodomigodo".

Oduduwa told the Yoruba's he met at ile Ife that he was banished and was from " ogiso " which in Benin means "king of the sky".

Every thing oduduwa said can still be confirmed here in Benin, even the ogiamen family is still here trying to claim over the throne.

The Benin has no reason to lie, oduduwa married a Yoruba woman and sent his son to Benin which was part Yoruba and Benin, since Benin was in chao, he left and called the place " ile ibenu"

So, the Yorubas understood his Benin language .. and stop being an idiot. Oduduwa didn't send his son anywhere

Westtimeline:
Lol, so African historians that are not Nigerians that talk about all kingdoms in Africa and the time they came are distortionist. History that have been written since years ago. You must know better then

There was no hard evidence on dating unlike other world history. Whichever part is academically ahead will always have upper hand

MXrep:
But the benin said that ogiso means king of the sky, how do you explain yoruba claim of oduduwa falling from the sky?

No it's the oral narrative that claimed he came from the sky, but historians said he might come from a cage deposited inside a bush or from the North

Igbokid:
So, the Yorubas understood his Benin language .. and stop being an idiot. Oduduwa didn't send his son anywhere

He learnt yoruba language

Iamgrey5:
No it's the oral narrative that claimed he came from the sky, but historians said he might come from a cage deposited inside a bush or from the North

You see why all the tales are fabbles without substance?

PVision2020:
From your argument " a prince of Benin is the father of the Yorubas"....Ok. now let's reason logically.
In Set theory, a subset can't be greater than the Universal set.
How come, the offspring of a prince of Benin (Oduduwa) kingdom (the Yorubas) is over 10 times the population/Size of the Bini kingdom itself. Bini is just an equivalent of the Ijebus, Oyos, Egbas, Ileshas (which are fractions/subset of the Yoruba) in size and population.
Can a rat give birth to an elephant?
Your arguments lacks logic.

Yorubas did not originate from oduduwa. Oduduwa met yorubas when he came up from benin. He settled and organized it into a state and ruled it

MXrep:
You see why all the tales are fabbles without substance?

The history of most west African tribes is based on Fables and very little sound evidence. The attempt of Europeans to rewrite our history during the colonial era played a key role.

MXrep:
Yorubas did not originate from oduduwa. Oduduwa met yorubas when he came up from benin. [b]He settled and organized it into a state and ruled i[/b]t

Another lie

Ife already have a king figure before Oduduwa

Iamgrey5:
The history of most west African tribes is based on Fables and very little sound evidence. The attempt of Europeans to rewrite our history during the colonial era played a key role.

You see why yoruba historical supremacy tussle is absurd? They want to push their fabbles as facts, others can invent theirs as well.

Iamgrey5:
Another lie

Ife already have a king figure before Oduduwa

So how come you claim that all yorubas are oduduwa offsprings? Continue confusing yourselves

MXrep:
You see why yoruba historical supremacy tussle is absurd? They want to push their fabbles as facts, others can invent theirs as well.

No true

The facts are

1) Oranmiyan was the first king of Benin and the first Alafin of Oyo

2) The oba of Benin and most Yoruba kings have similar origin

3) Yorubas have always inter mingled with bini before the advent of Nigeria

4) Both kingdom founded by Oranmiyan set out to conquer territories

MXrep:
So how come you claim that all yorubas are oduduwa offsprings? Continue confusing yourselves

This is not possible

No one will ever make such silly claims

Most Yoruba kings are Oduduwa offsprings is more like it.

MXrep:
Yorubas did not originate from oduduwa. Oduduwa met yorubas when he came up from benin. He settled and organized it into a state and ruled it

Lol... you guys will just come up with any trassh that comes to your brain.
In one breath Oduduwa is the father of Yorubas in another he came from Benin to rule Yoruba land.
A neutral person person will tell you the bini's hypothesis doesn't add up.
Archealogically, Ife is older than Benin. Logically, historically, demographically and scientifically, the binis are offshoot of the Yorubas.
You have more of Yoruba influence on the binis than vice versa.

PVision2020:
Lol... you guys will just come up with any trassh that comes to your brain.
In one breath Oduduwa is the father of Yorubas in another he came from Benin to rule Yoruba land.
A neutral person person will tell you the bini's hypothesis doesn't add up.
Archealogically, Ife is older than Benin. Logically, historically, demographically and scientifically, the binis are offshoot of the Yorubas.
You have more of Yoruba influence on the binis than vice versa.

Its the yorubas claiming that yorubas originated from oduduwa who fell from the sky. Ife being archaeologically older than benin mean nothing. Usman dan fodio came from futa jdalon and established the caliphate in northern city states, an event that is relatively recent in history

Iamgrey5:
This is not possible

No one will ever make such silly claims

Most Yoruba kings are Oduduwa offsprings is more like it.

Yorubas have been making that silly claims. Those yoruba kings are of benin origin as confirmed by oba of lagos. Original history is guarded in the palace. What you read from academic researches are adulterated for ego massaging

MXrep:
There was no hard evidence on dating unlike other world history. Whichever part is academically ahead will always have upper hand

Maybe you can give yours

Westtimeline:
Maybe you can give yours

People from benin have given theirs which sound convincing enough

MXrep:
Yorubas have been making that silly claims. Those yoruba kings are of benin origin as confirmed by oba of lagos. Original history is guarded in the palace. What you read from academic researches are adulterated for ego massaging

No! the oba of Lagos is believed to be a direct descendant of Oba of Benin, unlike other Yoruba kings

However, the plain truth is that the current oba of Lagos is not entirely a direct descendant of oba of bini. it is believed he is a mixture of an Ijesha man called Alagba and a descendant of Oba of bini.

More importantly, the oba of lagos has no land in lagos, the land on the island belongs to a Yoruba sub group known as the Awori (the red cap chiefs) E.g.

The Oba oniru

The Oba Elegushi

The Oni Koyi of ikoyi

etc.

Oshiohmole is not an Edo man but he's a Benin descendant.

Obaseki is an Edo man, descendants of "founders" of igodomigodo.

Go and study Edo people before talking trash

MXrep:
Its the yorubas claiming that yorubas originated from oduduwa who fell from the sky. Ife being archaeologically older than benin mean nothing. Usman dan fodio came from futa jdalon and established the caliphate in northern city states, and event that is relatively recent in history

they have ego problem.

I won't be surprise if they start saying the bight of Benin belong to Yoruba's

Onijagidijagan:
Oduduwa is Yoruba and Yoruba only

Oduduwa has nothing to do with Benin. Also Oba oranmiyan is the first Oba of Benin not Eweka. ORANMIYAN was d first to Introduced a Yoruba title to Edo-state.


Go to Edo State any towns that are OBA by title, the natives bears Yoruba names. e. g Afemai, akoko Edo and some parts of Benin town

Not true, there is only one oba in Benin kingdom. All the other rulers bear the title of enogie or odionwere Depending on the community. And they are all subject to the Oba of Benin.

Pls note that the Benin kingdom does not cover the whole of Edo state, there are some tribes in Edo north that speak Yoruba language alongside their indigenous language and they also bear Yoruba names. This must be where you're getting the misconception from.

Binikingdowm:
they have ego problem.

I won't be surprise if they start saying the bight of Benin belong to Yoruba's

Ogebni the bight of Benin belongs to no one.

It was simply named after the Empire of bini. it doesn't mean it now belongs to it.