MyVILLAGEpeople:


Never heard of that though. So are you saying the Dahomey kingdom( present Benin republic) was once conquered by the Benin kingdom??

Lagos ( Eko ) was trading post and war camp.

It was attacked severally by the Benin Republic military because the pepper market was lucrative then,the Benin's not only defended it but chased the invaders to their domain.

Iamgrey5:
No! the oba of Lagos is believed to be a direct descendant of Oba of Benin, unlike other Yoruba kings

However, the plain truth is that the current oba of Lagos is not entirely a direct descendant of oba of bini. it is believed he is a mixture of an Ijesha man called Alagba and a descendant of Oba of bini.

More importantly, the oba of lagos has no land in lagos, the land on the island belongs to a Yoruba sub group known as the Awori (the red cap chiefs) E.g.

The Oba oniru

The Oba Elegushi

The Oni Koyi of ikoyi

etc.

Even if the current Oba of Lagos is a direct descendant of Oba of Benin, Oba of Benin himself is a descendant of Oranmiyan, an Ife prince and the first Alaafin of Oyo.

Guestlander:


Even if the current Oba of Lagos is a direct descendant of Oba of Benin, Oba of Benin himself is a descendant of Oranmiyan, an Ife prince and the first Alaafin of Oyo.

oranmiyan never existed. Oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso... These are all fables. Grow up kid.

prolog31:
Those who keep saying ife is older than Benin city are liars. Indeed think about this: Benin city was burnt down and destroyed by cannon fire and explosives in 1897. Ife was not. Yet there is no indigenous architecture in ife. It is all colonial or post colonial constructs. Have you seen a picture of Oba palace before it was destroyed by the British ? It was as big as an entire town. Benin city was built up and served as the capital of an empire (Benin empire). The relics of Benin city are in every western European country's national museum and in north america. The queen of England has her own collection of objects coming from Oba palace, so did Rockefeller...You guys should stop being so sentimental about the passed of Benin. Just accept facts and move on with your lives. Benin empire was the superpower of the region, deal with it!

And there are no relics from Ife in western museums? A repica of every dead Oba of Benin was casted in Ife and sent back to Benin. The real heads were buried in Ife.

prolog31:
oranmiyan never existed. Oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso... These are all fables. Grow up kid.

According to the under the bridge university you attended?
As recently as 1940s the heads of dead Oba of Benin was buried in Ife.

The Obama of Lagos is the king of Lagos and therefore the land belongs to him. Yoruba should stop rewriting history in the mist illogical way to suit their latest purpose. Awori this, awori that...but the day awori reject being Yoruba, new lines if Yoruba "history" would magically emerge.

Binikingdowm:
that's true.

What we Benin's are saying is that, oduduwa is a Benin man, so technically oramiyan is Benin.

Well, I wish I could get the authentic history concerning this. But with what you said now. I think the Yorubas are correct.

prolog31:
Most Yoruba are very sensitive about Benin empire and will never admit the truth no matter how obvious it is. Instead the Yoruba would use fictional characters such as oduduwa and oranmiyan to "prove" their points while rejecting logically and factually obtained statements.

Whay you can prove is the fact that the heads of dead Oba of Benin were buried in Ife. The question then is why?

prolog31:
Yoruba, it seems you guys don't care about being objective at all. Who told you Yoruba were "light years ahead of Benin" ? Your claim contradicts all eyewitness accounts !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2Tac1gNPU
I agree with you on only one thing, ogbonni is Yoruba. And it was indeed introduced into the heart of Benin Kingdom during the colonial era when the midst was part of the western region which was political dominated by the so called Yoruba.

You claim your prince ruled the Yorubas, now tell me any bini influence your prince/king had/have over the Yorubas...nothing.
FYI, Ogboni has been in existence in Benin years before independence. Ask your elders.

Guestlander:


And there are no relics from Ife in western museums? A repica of every dead Oba of Benin was casted in Ife and sent back to Benin. The real heads were buried in Ife.

What I hate when talking to Yoruba is you guys debate on dogmas. You never care to provide proof for your claims. For your information, the European visitors who visited Benin kingdom in the middle ages were also casted in Benin bronze, so were they also sent to ife and duplicated ? Also several Benin warriors and queens were casted in Benin bronze, so ife must have been very busy doing all the hard work of duplicating people.... Oh did I forget to mention that the Europeans witnessed the Benin guild and even patronised it ? So Yoruba why all the lies and claiming of an other people's heritage ? Yours is in Brazil, go and claim that, your chiefs do do it in the regular !

Guestlander:


Whay you can prove is the fact that the heads of dead Oba of Benin were buried in Ife. The question then is why?

Actually, no head of no Oba was ever buried in Ife. It is not in Edo culture to cut off the head of the Dead. You Yoruba need to stop making these kinds of stuff up. And listen to yourself claiming you can prove it and deviating to focus on "why". Why do you guys lie all the time ? It is like the national Yoruba sport.

prolog31:
What I hate when talking to Yoruba is you guys debate on dogmas. You never care to provide proof for your claims. For your information, the European visitors who visited Benin kingdom in the middle ages were also casted in Benin bronze, so were they also sent to ife and duplicated ? Also several Benin warriors and queens were casted in Benin bronze, so ife must have been very busy doing all the hard work of duplicating people.... Oh did I forget to mention that the Europeans witnessed the Benin guild and even patronised it ? So Yoruba why all the lies and claiming of an other people's heritage ? Yours is in Brazil, go and claim that, your chiefs do do ib the regular !

1940s is so recent, we are not talking about what happened a thousand years ago now. There's no dogma involved here, it is a verifiable argument that the heads of dead Oba of Benin were buried in Ife and a replica of the head casted in Ife were sent back to Benin.
You can try and find out or you argued blindly and believe whatever you want to believe.

PVision2020:

You claim your prince ruled the Yorubas, now tell me any bini influence your prince/king had/have over the Yorubas...nothing.
FYI, Ogboni has been in existence in Benin years before independence. Ask your elders.

I don't need to provide any "influence", all I say were recorded by eye witness who visited the region. And it seems you didn't understand the word "colonial" Yes, in the colonial era, when the midwest was part of the western region which was politically dominated by the so called Yoruba, the ogbonni was introduced in the heart of Benin Kingdom. The Oba if Benin in that era denounced it and saw it as an invasion of some sorts.

Guestlander:


1940s is so recent, we are not talking about what happened a thousand years ago now. There's no dogma involved here, it is a verifiable argument that the heads of dead Oba of Benin were buried in Ife and a replica of the head casted in Ife were sent back to Benin.
You can try and find out or you argued blindly and believe whatever you want to believe.

So according to you, the head of an Oba of Benin was buried in ife in the 1940's ?

prolog31:
Actually, no head of no Obama was ever buried in Ife. It is nit in Edo culture to cut off the head if the Dead. You Yoruba need to stop making these kinds of stuff up. And listen to yourself claiming you can prove it and deviating to focus on "why". Why do you guys lie all the time ? It is like the national Yoruba sport.

They are buried at a place called "Orun Oba Ado" in Ife. The practice lasted as recently as 1940s. People born in the 40s are still living.

prolog31:
So according to you, the head of an Oba of Benin was buried in ife in the 1940's ?

This is according to documented historical facts. The heads of all dead Oba of Benin were buried in Ife until 1940s.

Guestlander:


They are buried at a place called "Orun Oba Ado" in Ife. The practice lasted as recently as 1940s. People born in the 40s are still living.

Now that you have made your statement, please provide proof to back it.

Guestlander:


This is according to documented historical facts.

which one ?You are perhaps the boldest Yoruba liar or the most stupid. When your elders tell these lies, they at least pretend the claim events happened before anybody who could write visited the region. But you, you must have missed the Yoruba revisionism memo.

prolog31:
Now that you have made your statement, please provide proof to back it.

Prove like going there to dig up one head and show it to you? Even if I did that you will still say the head could have been anybody's.

Iamgrey5:
There was no Oba in Benin before Oranmiyan the son of Oduduwa.

They were called Ogiso

Oranmiyan was the Grandson of Oduduwa not son of Oduduwa



Oduduwa gave birth to Okanbi, Okanbi gave birth to 7 sons and the last born was Oranmiyan


The Benin claimed Oranmiyan was a son of Oduduwa when he was really a Grandson of Oduduwa, that prove that it is the Benin that are trying to rewrite history

prolog31:
which one ?You are perhaps the boldest Yoruba liar or the most stupid. When your elders tell these lies, they at least pretend the claim events happened before anybody who could write visited the region. But you, you must have missed the Yoruba revisionism memo.

slowpoke is angry and cursing already when faced with facts.
Until the 40s heads of dead Oba of Benin were buried in Ife, prove this is a lie.
Confront me with your facts and this matter will be settled.

Guestlander:


Prove like going there to dig up one head and show it to you? Even if I did that you will still say the head could have been anybody's.

So you are not familiar with the word "proof" ? You said yourself that your claims can be proven, you even added that your claims took place in the 1940's and that there are genuin documents which prove your claims, now you seem to be changeing your story and saying all you need to do is dig up the heads of persons and that is proof enough ? � joke of the century.

Guestlander:


slowpoke is angry and cursing already when faced with facts.
Until the 40s heads of dead Oba of Benin were buried in Ife, prove this is a lie.

In a logical world those who make claims are supposed to prove their claims rather than to expect the person to whom they told their claim to do the hard work of disproving them. I could just as easily say that the own of it's head used to be buried in Benin city and then ask you to discover me.

prolog31:
So you are not familiar with the word "proof" ? You said yourself that your claims can be proven, you even added that your claims took place in the 1940's and that there are genuin documents which prove your claims, now you seem to be Chanyeol your story and saying all you need to do is dig up the heads of persons and that is proof enough ? � joke of the century.

What proof do you need then? A simple search of historical archives on the internet will tell you what I just said, I didn't make it up.
If you insist this is not true then the onus is on you to tell us why.

Binikingdowm:
that's true.

What we Benin's are saying is that, oduduwa is a Benin man, so technically oramiyan is Benin.

This prove that you are the liar


You claimed Oranmiyan was the son Of Oduduwa, when Oranmiyan was not really a son of Oduduwa. Oranmiyan was a grandson of Oduduwa, and the last born of Okanbi the only son Of Oduduwa


That prove the Benin are the liar, they don't even know the whole History of Oduduwa

Guestlander:


What prove do you need then? A simple search of historical archives on the internet will tell you what I just said, I didn't make it up.
If you insist this is not true then the onus is on you to tell us why.

Wow, what proof do I need ? I should look at internet archives ? Wow. You are really dumb. And if I don't accept your claim without your providing of proof, I should disprove it ? If I say your mother had a lesbian affair one day in her life, would you be able to disprove me ? No, does that mean your mom is a lesbian ? No, indeed the onus of proof is on me. The same thing goes when you accuse someone of being a murderer !

prolog31:
In a logical world this who make claims are supposed to prove their claims rather than to expect the person to whom they told their claim to do the hard work of disproving them. I could just as easily say that the own of it's head used to be buried in Benin city and then ask you to discover me.

Basically you have no evidence other than your ego to tell us the heads of dead Oba of Benin were not buried in Ife. I even told you the location in Ife. Perhaps you can go there and dig.

prolog31:

I don't need to provide any "influence", all I say were recorded by eye witness who visited the region. And it seems you didn't understand the word "colonial" Yes, in the colonial era, when the midwest was part of the western region which was politically dominated by the so called Yoruba, the ogbonni was introduced in the heart of Benin Kingdom. The Oba if Benin in that era denounced it and saw it as an invasion of some sorts.

Lol.... The occupation of a tribe or nation can only be ascertained by the influence they left behind e. g Architecture, Artifacts, Culture, etc and not some historical fables and forklores passed from generations to generation.
You don't need to argue about the influence of bini in Onitsha or Eko, it's influence is evident even from the palace of the Obi of Onitsha and the Oba of Eko, you'll know there's definitely an interaction with the bini. But NONE of such influence can be felt in Yoruba land, rather the influence of Yoruba on Benin is too enormous to be overlooked.
You need a crash course on Anthropology.

prolog31:
Wow, what proof do I need ? I should look at internet archives ? Wow. You are really dumb. And if I don't accept your claim without your providing of proof, I should disprove it ?

Are you so dumb that you need to curse to make your point? You appear really dumb. Prove me wrong or scram, I'm not fazed a bit by your grandstanding.

PVision2020:

Lol.... The occupation of a tribe or nation can only be ascertained by the influence they left behind e. g Architecture, Artifacts, Culture, etc and not some historical fables and forklores passed from generations to generation.
You don't need to argue about the influence of bini in Onitsha or Eko, it's influence is evident even from the palace of the Obi of Onitsha and the Oba of Eko, you'll know there's definitely an interaction with the bini. But NONE of such influence can be felt in Yoruba land, rather the influence of Yoruba on Benin is too enormous to be overlooked.
You need a crash course on Anthropology.

The language of the royal court was also Yoruba until the practice was stopped, another historical fact.

PVision2020:

Lol.... The occupation of a tribe or nation can only be ascertained by the influence they left behind e. g Architecture, Artifacts, Culture, etc and not some historical fables and forklores passed from generations to generation.
You don't need to argue about the influence of bini in Onitsha or Eko, it's influence is evident even from the palace of the Obi of Onitsha and the Oba of Eko, you'll know there's definitely an interaction with the bini. But NONE of such influence can be felt in Yoruba land, rather the influence of Yoruba on Benin is too enormous to be overlooked.
You need a crash course on Anthropology.

You needs a crashcourse in logics. I don't need to discuss any influence at all because the fact that what you refer to as yorubaland today being part of precolonial Benin empire was recorded by eye witnesses ! How dumb are you to not understand this very simple English !

EdiAbali:


It's not true, I have never heard of Hausa people claiming Oduduwa.
Oduduwa was from Benin kingdom, it's a fact.
Instead of Yoruba people to accept the fact, they are now claiming that they didn't know where Oduduwa came from, most Yoruba claim Oduduwa fall from the sky while the Yoruba Muslims claim that Oduduwa was from Saudi Arabia

You people should be proud of your origin

from my history class, oduduwa was on exile from mecca, bini may be existing b4 oduduwa lands in ile ife, but no prove to say he was a bini prince, but dere is prove his son ruled bini