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Guestlander:
You have comprehension issues. The practice of speaking Yoruba in the royal court was stopped in 1935, the practice of burying oba of Benin in ife was stopped in 1914 not in the 40s as I said earlier, that was a mistake.

care to provide proof for any of your claims ?

prolog31:
care to provide proof for any of your claims ?

Ok, I made it all up. Are you happy now? These are things even the Oba of Benin will not argue with.

EdiAbali:
It's not true, I have never heard of Hausa people claiming Oduduwa.
Oduduwa was from Benin kingdom, it's a fact.
Instead of Yoruba people to accept the fact, they are now claiming that they didn't know where Oduduwa came from, most Yoruba claim Oduduwa fall from the sky while the Yoruba Muslims claim that Oduduwa was from Saudi Arabia
You people should be proud of your origin

please where did you find this image

prolog31:
Ooni of ife goes to British museum to see Yoruba art, all he sees are two Yoruba artifacts surrounded by a huge bunch of Benin art:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

Who told you that they are Benin Arts ? You guys are delusional, some Benin Arts and Ife Arts look similar and it was documented in History and acknowledged by the British that Benin learnt their arts from Ile Ife

Guestlander:
I haven't met any Yoruba who said Benin was not great. But history is history, there's no point trying to twist it to fit any narrative.

I am doing no twisting, as I said I only rely on eyewitness accounts, I spent a huge part of my life in Europe going fromuseum yo museum in order to get the real history of my people and not some made up rubbish. That is why you won't seemed claiming this fairy tales of oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso and so on...All I do is rely on facts and logics. No sentiments...

prolog31:
rather than saying this, why not provide the eye witnessed ? How dumb are you ? Oyo was nit recorded as being great or old by eye witness, it was rather recorded as being young, weak and being overran by fula.

If you want to troll, I can troll you too

The Dahomey Kingdom acknowledged Oyo Empire in their History and I think that's enough eye witness

prolog31:
I am doing no twisting, as I said I only rely on eyewitness accounts, I spent a huge part of my life in Europe going fromuseum yo museum in order to get the real history of my people and not some made up rubbish. That is why you won't seemed claiming this fairy tales of oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso and so on...All I do is rely on facts and logics. No sentiments...

All you have been posting since were all base on Sentiment and not Logic. You claimed there was no Oyo Empire when Dahomey Kingdom Acknowledged Oyo Empire in their History, that alone prove you are full of sentiment and not Logic

prolog31:
I am doing no twisting, as I said I only rely on eyewitness accounts, I spent a huge part of my life in Europe going fromuseum yo museum in order to get the real history of my people and not some made up rubbish. That is why you won't seemed claiming this fairy tales of oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso and so on...All I do is rely on facts and logics. No sentiments...

You went to Europe to find out about the history of your people? Wrong place to start my friend. The same Europeans who thought the Ife Bronze heads were made some ancient Babylonians when they first saw it?

LazyGold:
If you want to troll, I can troll you too

The Dahomey Kingdom acknowledged Oyo Empire in their History and I think that's enough eye witness

Firstly of all you may be confusing a few particularly with the generality. Also you are once again not being objective. If today you agree that you are a crokodile, does that mean that your ancestors were crokodiles ? Does that even make you a crokodile ? Use your brains.

prolog31:
I am doing no twisting, as I said I only rely on eyewitness accounts, I spent a huge part of my life in Europe going fromuseum yo museum in order to get the real history of my people and not some made up rubbish. That is why you won't seemed claiming this fairy tales of oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso and so on...All I do is rely on facts and logics. No sentiments...

You went to Europe to find out about the history of your people? Wrong place to start my friend. The same Europeans who thought the Ife Bronze heads were made some ancient Babylonians when they first saw it?
Oral history are not all mumbo jumbo. The place to start is home.

LazyGold:
All you have been posting since were all base on Sentiment and not Logic. You claimed there was no Oyo Empire when Dahomey Kingdom Acknowledged Oyo Empire in their History, that alone prove you are full of sentiment and not Logic

There is no point arguing with that nigger, he keeps shouting "eye witness...eye witness" and Logic, without providing any link or words of the supposed eye witnesses. He is one those empty NL trolls bereft of logic he's bleating about.

Guestlander:
You went to Europe to find out about the history of your people? Wrong place to start my friend. The same Europeans who thought the Ife Bronze heads were made some ancient Babylonians when they first saw it?

Actually the accounts of the eyewitnesses who visited the region are kept in european museums and libraries. In order to see them, you need to goto Europe. Also not all you read is true. The europeans had already stolen Benin artefact before anything was dug up in ife, theft they were ignorant in that period, due to racism does not reduce the validity of eyewitness written documents made centuries before racism

prolog31:
Firstly of all you may be confusing a few particularly with the generality. Also you are once again not being objective. If today you agree that you are a crokodile, does that mean that your ancestors were crokodiles ? Does that even make you a crokodile ? Use your brains.

Guy, just give up... you lack logic. A text or literature is not a fact on its own unless corroborated by other text...simple logic. people believe the Bible to be true because there are other several text/literature and events that confirms what is in the bible.

Now If Dahomey and Fulani historian and text can "independently" acknowledge Yorubas claim then case closed

LazyGold:
Who told you that they are Benin Arts ? You guys are delusional, some Benin Arts and Ife Arts look similar and it was documented in History and acknowledged by the British that Benin learnt their arts from Ile Ife

Wow, this only shows how ignorant you are. You don't even know which art is from ife and which one is from Benin ? Wow, even your ooni is not that delusional and he focuses his attention on the only things there which are from ife. And my friend no proper scholar aknowledges code teaching anything to Benin, this is an other Yoruba made up story with no proof to back it. Jealousy is dangerous guys.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

Let me help you: the only things from ife in there are that ooni head and the things in its left, all the rest are Edo. I like how you guys just keep claiming Edo stuff and not even realize it. The camera even shows a text saying "The royal city of Benin" on top of the things at the right of your ife head.

LazyGold:
All you have been posting since were all base on Sentiment and not Logic. You claimed there was no Oyo Empire when Dahomey Kingdom Acknowledged Oyo Empire in their History, that alone prove you are full of sentiment and not Logic

Dahomey of current Benin republic

Ewe of Ghana

Nupes

Bariba

Hausas all claimed in their oral tradition to have come across Oyo empire

The name Yoruba was actually used to identify Yorubas of Oyo empire before the rest of the omoluabi's adopted it.

Yet, one Nairaland troll is claiming there was no Oyo empire

Please let the guy enjoy is Fairy tale I beg.

PVision2020:
Guy, just give up... you lack logic. A text or literature is not a fact on its own unless corroborated by other text...simple logic. people believe the Bible to be true because there are other several text/literature and events that confirms what is in the bible.

Now If Dahomey and Fulani historian and text can "independently" acknowledge Yorubas claim then case closed

The problem is that there is no such text.

Iamgrey5:
Dahomey of current Benin republic

Ewe of Ghana

Nupes

Bariba

Hausas all claimed in their oral tradition to have come across Oyo empire

The name Yoruba was actually used to identify Yorubas of Oyo empire before the rest of the omoluabi's adopted it.

Yet, one Nairaland troll is claiming there was no Oyo empire

Please let the guy enjoy is Fairy tale I beg.

That guy is a funny one. He actually said there was no Oyo Empire.

prolog31:
The problem is that there is no such text.

And where did you get you own "museumic text" from troll.
You claim Oyo was never an Empire, I provided you evidence of Oyo being greater than your tiny Benin empire but all you do is dribble around shouting some pseudo eye witnesses and logic.

At least provide us with this your eye witnesses museum text, abi is that too much to do?

Kids invading NL

prolog31:
Wow, this only shows how ignorant you are. You don't even know which art is from ife and which one is from Benin ? Wow, even your ooni is not that delusional and he focuses his attention on the only things there which are from ife. And my friend no proper scholar aknowledges code teaching anything to Benin, this is an other Yoruba made up story with no proof to back it. Jealousy is dangerous guys.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxZAXb0XVwI

Let me help you: the only things from ife in there are that ooni head and the things in its left, all the rest are Edo. I like how you guys just keep claiming Edo stuff and not even realize it. The camera even shows a text saying "The royal city of Benin" on top of the things at the right of your ife head.

Well I didn't watch your Video at first before I commented, but it was acknowledged by the British that the Benin told them that they learnt their Arts from Ile -Ife, but you can also call the British Liars as Usual any History that doesn't favour your fake History are all lies to you.

prolog31:
The problem is that there is no such text.

There is no account of The Fulanis and Dahomey contacts with the Oyo Empire? Is that what you are saying?

Guestlander:
That guy is a funny one. He actually said there was no Oyo Empire.

He was damn funny

Then who were the Fulanis fighting?

Who had decades of war with the Nupes?

who did Afonja Betrayed?

LazyGold:
Well I didn't watch your Video at first before I commented, but it was acknowledged by the British that the Benin told them that they learnt their Arts from Ile -Ife, but you can also call the British Liars as Usual any History that doesn't favour your fake History are all lies to you.

Dude, the only liar here is you ! When exactly are the Edo supposed to have made that claim and why to the British of all people, there artifscts used to decorate Obapalace and all the european visitors saw them. The Edo even casted bronze showing the european visitors in the palace of the Oba. The way you guys just speak on behalf of others is incredible. You claim the British claim that the Edo claim ...wtf

Iamgrey5:
He was damn funny

Then who where the Fulanis fighting?

Who had decades of war with the Nupes?

who did Afonja Betrayed?

His "logic" doesn't have answers for these type questions.

prolog31:
Dude, the only liar here is you ! When exactly are the Edo supposed to have made that claim and why to the British of all people, there artifscts used to decorate Obapalace and all the european visitors saw them. The Edo even cared bronze showing the european visitors in the palace of the Oba. The way you guys just speak on behalf of others is incredible. You claim the British claim that the Edo claim ...wtf

There's no doubt in my mind some of these were the heads of Benin Obas casted in Ile ife. Are there any bronze heads of the ogizos? I doubt it.
If there are no ogizo bronze heads it means only one thing, the Yorubas brought the practice to Benin.

Guestlander:
There is no account of The Fulanis and Dahomey contacts with the Oyo Empire? Is that what you are saying?

What I am saying doesn't need reformulation, there is no eyewitness written text which acknowledges oyo as being an empire or a strong state or even old.

Guestlander:
His "logic" doesn't have answers for these type questions.

Oyo empire is even mentioned in the oral history of Ewe people of Ghana

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewe_people

prolog31:
What I am saying doesn't need reformulation, there is no eyewitness written text which acknowledges oyo as being an empire or a strong state or even old.

If there are no texts then it means it didn't happen? Is this what your logic is telling you?

In the days of ancient NOK civilization there was no place known as Bini.

Nok is a name approximation, deriving from a village of Gbagyis called Nok in which a treasure of TerraCotta heads were found. Nobody could explain how it got there or what it meant. Unable to explain its source it took the name of its host location and bacame known as Nok heads. An era of civilization was attached to it after studying the styling and technology of the craft, so the name Nok Civilization was adopted.

From dating and research it has been accepted as the most ancient and pioneer civilization in Nigeria, predating any other.

When the Ile Ife bronze heads were discovered scientists took interest in Ife and got permission to conduct a deeper field study and excavations. That work yielded a trove of more Terracotta heads in Ife and many other works of art and infrastructure made out of clay. Also a discovery of troves of rock salt carvings were discovered in Esie that looked exactly like the ones found in Nok except material was not clay. The Esies say they were people of Ife, they migrated out and settled in their current location Esie. Researchers have always believed the seat of Nok culture and civilization was South of the Gbagyi people. Ile Ife gained focus.

A study by a Russian anthropologist of Ile Ife and the Ogiso of Bini shared knowledge that Ogiso was a chiefdom sent from the seat of ancient civilization in Ife to rule over the people of Edo.

Red was a sacred color for the indigeneous civilization in Ife and the Ogiso introduced Red to Edo. Till today the Oba that rules over Edo wears Red.

A band of migrating Yorubas of the Canaan stock descended past the Sahara region looking for the seat of Nok. They went past all the various communitiea and kingdoms along the way until they arrived at Ife, seat of the ancient indigenous civilized people and gave them a new order of civilization headed by Oduduwa. So Ile Ife was first peopled by an indigenous population and the source of the Nok civilization. Oduduwa knew of them and came to live amongst them. His new order overthrew the ancient and overlaid it with the new Yoruba civilization. The sacred color of the Yoruba is Blue.

From Yoruba a second intervention took place in Edo that replaced Ogiso with Oba and gave them a new name Bini.

In all its history Edo had two state ruling eras 1) by Ogiso, 2) by Oba. They cannot claim any other greatness out of these eras and both are donations from Ile Ife. In fact Bini is the only civilization in Edoland, the Ogiso period was a dark age and no civilization is attributed.

Guestlander:
There's no doubt in my mind some of these were the heads of Benin Obas casted in Ile ife. Are there any bronze heads of the ogizos? I doubt it.
If there are not ogizo bronze heads it means only one thing, the Yorubas brought the practice to Benin.

As I have already said right here, many many times, the ogisos are nothing but a story !!! They never existed ! Why do I constantly need to repeat myself ? It just dhows how desperate you guys are to claim Edo achievements and heritage, it is so sad you have no history and heritage

prolog31:
Dude, the only liar here is you ! When exactly are the Edo supposed to have made that claim and why to the British of all people, there artifscts used to decorate Obapalace and all the european visitors saw them. The Edo even casted bronze showing the european visitors in the palace of the Oba. The way you guys just speak on behalf of others is incredible. You claim the British claim that the Edo claim ...wtf

The British Said it not Yoruba so you can also call the British Liars as usual


Watch this documentation by the British themselves




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa0st_aMjmA

prolog31:
As I have already said right here, many many times, the ogisos are nothing but a story !!! They never existed ! Why do I constantly need to repeat myself ? It just dhows how desperate you guys are to claim Edo achievements and heritage, it is so sad you have no history and heritage

The Ogizos never existed? Did you know the current Oba of Benin acknowledged Oranmiyan as the first Oba of Benin?
Who ruled the Benins before that?

Guestlander:
If there are no texts then it means it didn't happen? Is this what your logic is telling you?

History doesn't rely on fictions or rumours, it relies on eyewitness written documents. You guys need brain transplant