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Onijagidijagan:
Ife Kingdom is older than the Egyptian Kingdom
Older than pharaoh. Is d Kingdom where all life started from.

Westtimeline:
So you people can even lie that bini kingdom is second oldest kingdom after Egypt kingdom. That got me rolling. To start with, Egypt kingdom is not even the first kingdom. Benin kingdom that came into existence 40 years after oyo empire.

Benin kingdom came inv1440, oyo kingdom 1400.

I left because you yoruba-supremacists are too dumb and ignorant and arrogant. You just keep on making unsubstantiated claims while refusing claims which come with proof so long they do not suit the Yoruba narrative. This precolonial map clearly shows the slave coast to not be the same thing as the Bight of Benin.
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759519k/f1.item.r=Royaume%20du%20Benin.zoom

You see how you guys just argue with 0 facts ?
How do you want a normal human being to have a debate with you ? You are too dumb for a debate !

shugabasbn:
You even knows. Gobir empire that extended to the Niger republic especially Maradi they are also more common among Ilorin people they claim that they are real Hausa and believed Oduduwa is one of their cousin that both are migrated from Sudan not present day Sudan country the old Sudan. In fact some of them still have the same relationship especially on tribal marks and other ways of life. If u go to Gobir area in Sokoto they have so much love for Yoruba than any other tribes even than Fulani because of the history. How true is it it is left for historian.

2fine2fast:
I'm not a historian, Im a scientist that follows evidence, results, reasonings and logic.

You claim Oduduwa was a rejected Bini prince that ruled the Yorubas, yet the son of the rejected and banished King came back to rule your "most advanced Bini". It defies all logical reasoning.

So many claims to refute in your so called "superior everyone must accept" fallacies.

Mine is just one concern, We Yorubas do not claim or want Bini for anything. The Bini should return the courtesy and stop insulting our collective intelligence by their spurious folklore tales.

I, for one, am more concerned about the history of our other Yoruba brethren in Togo, Sierra Leone, Gambia, Trinidad and Tobago, Cuba, Brazil, Ghana, Dahomey etc. I'm interested in their presents and in our future together.

Long live the Yoruba race.

icebird25:
And I don't know how Benin kingdom who's the second oldest kingdom in Africa after king pharoah ...will originate from youruba it sounds strange..


Before he was called the ancient city of Benin una think say na by play abi

Onijagidijagan:
Ife Kingdom is older than the Egyptian Kingdom
Older than pharaoh. Is d Kingdom where all life started from.

BrownRoofRep:
Yeah, after Oduduwa was casted out from heaven.

oyatz:
Every ancient kingdom have similar history of mythical fugures falling from the Sky.

1) The Binis have history of Ogisos falling from the sky (Kings of the sky).
2) The IGBOS believe Eri fell from the sky and landed in a forest ,then sail down the Omanbala River to Awka.

Ritchiee:
That is mythology.Read up about Nri,Ogiso etc they all came from heaven mythologically.

LazyGold:
Yes they all have Founder that descended from the Sky, but it is only wrong for Yoruba to tell their History that way you can smell their Hypocrisy and lies.

Even their history about Oranmiyan was totally Wrong, Oranmiyan was not the son of Oduduwa but the Grandson of Oduduwa, Oduduwa gave birth to a single son named "Okanbi", Okanbi later gave birth to 7 sons and Oranmiyan was even the last born not the first born.



The Benin do not even know entire Oduduwa and Oranmiyan History, they claimed Oranmiyan was a son of Oduduwa when he was really a Grandson of Oduduwa. That alone totally give the Benin away that they are liars and they are the one trying to rewrite history

goalernestman:
I really dont know if the benin version or ife version is more correct in Ododuwa origin but things i know is they must be historical connection even with the 2 name of this 2 kingdom. Ile ife and Benin according to the both mean opposite of the other. why you have to belive me is that in edo and delta Ifa or Efa means same thing wich mean wealth, good place, nice or just good Ile ifa, Ile ibinu is an opossit of the other directing to same meaning this is what we should research about. why did 2 kings father and son gave same name to 2 places. the name is a legacy that they planed both of them as i think.

MXrep:
The places you are mentioning were his abodes during transition from benin to ife

Binikingdowm:
because they were raised like that, they try to twist history because of ego problem.

How would a sane human being believe oduduwa trekked from meccai to ile Ife? Or he was banished from heaven

MyVILLAGEpeople:
There is no relationship.

At least not the way you think.

Benin Republic is a francophone country formerly known as Dahomey (Kingdom of Dahomey). The Beninese have no relationship with the Bini of Benin city. The word ‘Benin’ is a corruption of the word ‘Ubinu’ which was an ancient city that traded with the Portuguese who were the first Europeans to step into the hinter region known as West Africa.

The country was named after the Bight of Benin which is a body of water in the Gulf of Guinea on the Western African coast and which in turn was named after the Benin Empire (which was the predominant empire in that time). The new name Benin was chosen for its neutrality because ‘Dahomey’ was a reflection of the former Kingdom of Dahomey which covered the Southern parts of the country and did not represent Porto-novo, a rival state to the South, Atokera in the North-western sector, nor the Kingdom of Borgu in the North-eastern region.

But there is a connection.

Oduduwa is the Father of Yoruba land and he settled in Ile-ife which is the seat of the Yoruba Kingdom. All people of Yoruba descent trace their lineage to him.

The Bini connection to Oduduwa is a bit more complicated because of the supremacy tussle between the Ooni of Ife and the Oba of Benin (Benin City) as to whether the Bini originated from the Yoruba or the Yoruba from the Bini. There are mythological and historical conflicts to these accounts.

Without stepping into the murky waters of this conflict, (which is also not the purpose of the question), what is clear by the Bini and Yoruba is that; Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa, was sent to rule Benin and he had a son known as Eweka I who became the first Oba of Benin.

Ergo, it can be said the relationship between Benin Republic and Benin City is the shared ancestry between a major Beninese tribe and the Kingdom of Benin.

Historians in the house, your contributions is also needed. Thanks.

Binikingdowm:
Yoruba's and Benin have already been existing separately long before oduduwa came.

Oduduwa only came across the present Yoruba in ile Ife when he was wandering around the forest. The people found him and took him in.

The first word he spoke to them is "ile Ife" a corrupted version of Benin "I've run to wealth".

After he was banished, this " ogiamen" family wanted to take over the ruler ship of Benin but was resisted so that caused caused in the then "igodomigodo".

Oduduwa told the Yoruba's he met at ile Ife that he was banished and was from " ogiso " which in Benin means "king of the sky".

Every thing oduduwa said can still be confirmed here in Benin, even the ogiamen family is still here trying to claim over the throne.

The Benin has no reason to lie, oduduwa married a Yoruba woman and sent his son to Benin which was part Yoruba and Benin, since Benin was in chao, he left and called the place " ile ibenu"

icebird25:
And I don't know how Benin kingdom who's the second oldest kingdom in Africa after king pharoah ...will originate from youruba it sounds strange..


Before he was called the ancient city of Benin una think say na by play abi

MyVILLAGEpeople:
There is no relationship.

At least not the way you think.

Benin Republic is a francophone country formerly known as Dahomey (Kingdom of Dahomey). The Beninese have no relationship with the Bini of Benin city. The word ‘Benin’ is a corruption of the word ‘Ubinu’ which was an ancient city that traded with the Portuguese who were the first Europeans to step into the hinter region known as West Africa.

The country was named after the Bight of Benin which is a body of water in the Gulf of Guinea on the Western African coast and which in turn was named after the Benin Empire (which was the predominant empire in that time). The new name Benin was chosen for its neutrality because ‘Dahomey’ was a reflection of the former Kingdom of Dahomey which covered the Southern parts of the country and did not represent Porto-novo, a rival state to the South, Atokera in the North-western sector, nor the Kingdom of Borgu in the North-eastern region.

But there is a connection.

Oduduwa is the Father of Yoruba land and he settled in Ile-ife which is the seat of the Yoruba Kingdom. All people of Yoruba descent trace their lineage to him.

The Bini connection to Oduduwa is a bit more complicated because of the supremacy tussle between the Ooni of Ife and the Oba of Benin (Benin City) as to whether the Bini originated from the Yoruba or the Yoruba from the Bini. There are mythological and historical conflicts to these accounts.

Without stepping into the murky waters of this conflict, (which is also not the purpose of the question), what is clear by the Bini and Yoruba is that; Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa, was sent to rule Benin and he had a son known as Eweka I who became the first Oba of Benin.

Ergo, it can be said the relationship between Benin Republic and Benin City is the shared ancestry between a major Beninese tribe and the Kingdom of Benin.

Historians in the house, your contributions is also needed. Thanks.

Christistruth00:
The Country Benin is called so because it is located on the Bight of Benin stretch of the Atlantic Ocean , it was the Alaafin of Oyo that once ruled over much of Benin when it was known as Dahomey

Busted234:
This got me lol. You funny die, yorubas and their twisted confused history. Yorubas claims Oduduwa fell from d sky o and choose ile ife of all places to land.

Binikingdowm:
Yorubas are good at lies and twisting documented facts.

When oduduwa was banished from Benin, the roads he passed is still here in Benin.

The family that wanted to take over Benin rulership, the ogiamen is still here.

Benin is east to ife, it's a fact Yoruba believed oduduwa came from the East.

Yoruba also believe he fell from heaven, oduduwa was a child of an ogiso, which means "kings of the skies".

Yoruba's should accept the facts and be proud that a Benin man discovered them

oyatz:
The kingdom didn't originate from Yoruba but the incumbent Oba ruling dynasty originated from Oranmiyan, a Yoruba prince and grandson of Oduduwa.

Before Oranmiyan, there was no Oba in the town, instead they had Ogisos. Oranmiyan renamed the town (formerly called Igodomingodo) , Ile Ibinu which was corrupted to Ubinu and later on Bini.

Great2017:
But wait a minute, where did Oduduwa come from?

tysontim:
So oduduwa is the father of yoruba and one of yoruba son's was the father of Benin in Edo State? Continue make Dem catch u

oyatz:
There's no consensus on where he came from , only Oduduwa himself can truly answer this question.




However, we need to know that human beings have lived in all parts of what we now know as southern Nigeria including Ife, Benin, Ijero, Ire, Ora for thousands of years before Oduduwa was born.

My brother in-law was a member of an Archeological team that excavated the site of an ancient community near Iresi, Osun and they found remains of people who died there 5000 years ago.

Radiocarbon dating showed that the Obelisk at Ife (commonly attributed to Oranmiyan) was constructed around 100AD.

Coins minted by the Roman Empire 2000 years ago have been discovered in Archeological sites in Nigeria

Great2017:
Good to learn about this.

Are you saying that Oduduwa and Oranmiyan are not of Yoruba descent?

Busted234:
This got me lol. You funny die, yorubas and their twisted confused history. Yorubas claims Oduduwa fell from d sky o and choose ile ife of all places to land.

oyatz:
There's no consensus on where he came from , only Oduduwa himself can truly answer this question.




However, we need to know that human beings have lived in all parts of what we now know as southern Nigeria including Ife, Benin, Ijero, Ire, Ora for thousands of years before Oduduwa was born.

My brother in-law was a member of an Archeological team that excavated the site of an ancient community near Iresi, Osun and they found remains of people who died there 5000 years ago.

Radiocarbon dating showed that the Obelisk at Ife (commonly attributed to Oranmiyan) was constructed around 100AD.

Coins minted by the Roman Empire 2000 years ago have been discovered in Archeological sites in Nigeria