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Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by martowskin1(m): 8:25am On Apr 08, 2019
Slurity:
Wake up from your dream to reality my friend. What is the population of students then and sophistication of courses offered in those days as compared to now? If you want free education please go back to 1970s and enjoy yours.
calm down bro.... do the analysis....

how many student the amount paid to one senator yearly will sponsor.... the reality is this, when it involve the ruling class, is not expensive, but when it involves the masses, then they keep shouting

to increase minimum wage is a war.... and they expect to increase the cost of education..... cant u guys see things are not adding up... where do u guys want people to get money from

most of the government university this days are already hitting 6figures as school fees .... and u tell me there is no fund....

who is fooling who, let them shut down the universities and stop deceiving them selves
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by Nobody: 8:33am On Apr 08, 2019
martowskin1:
i get u, we keep spending heavily on governance and complaining about cost of education.... do u know how many student the upkeep of one senator will train?

put it what ever way.... it becomes expensive when the masses are involve, but is not expensive when it involves paying them large salaries
Look, according to the 2009 ASUU/FG agreement, universites need at least 1.5 trillion in EXTRA funding per annum to be 'adequately funded'

Since 2009, more government universites have been set up, and the amount should now be 3 trillion in extra funding.

It costs N1 trillion to fund our national assembly, and possibly 500m for ASO rock.

Assuming we want to cut costs, we would at best get 750million from that.

And at the end of the day, we still have to fund primary and secondary schools. And polytechincs and colleges of education.

See the problem?
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by martowskin1(m): 8:42am On Apr 08, 2019
tactius:
Look, according to the 2009 ASUU/FG agreement, universites need at least 1.5 trillion in EXTRA funding per annum to be 'adequately funded'

Since 2009, more government universites have been set up, and the amount should now be 3 trillion in extra funding.

It costs N1 trillion to fund our national assembly, and possibly 500m for ASO rock.

Assuming we want to cut costs, we would at best get 750million from that.

And at the end of the day, we still have to fund primary and secondary schools. And polytechincs and colleges of education.

See the problem?
now lets take for example.... our government universities, do u know there is hardly any government own university that its school fees is bellow 6figure?

is not like the government is carrying all the burden.... the issue is some individuals are some where looting this funds without puting them into use
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by Nobody: 8:46am On Apr 08, 2019
martowskin1:
now lets take for example.... our government universities, do u know there is hardly any government own university that its school fees is bellow 6figure?

is not like the government is carrying all the burden.... the issue is some individuals are some where looting this funds without puting them into use
Fees in most government universities are below N60000. Maybe some reach N150000.

Meanwhile, it costs N600000 to train one Nigerian student per annum. Meaning government is spending 400000 per annum per student.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by GreatrAnalyst: 8:56am On Apr 08, 2019
[quote author=Slurity post=77355663]Wake up from your dream to reality my friend. What is the population of students then and sophistication of courses offered in those days as compared to now? If you want free education please go back to 1970s and enjoy yours.[/quote

He needs to really wake up. Even aside the rise of population, where was education free nationwide at the tertiary institutions during those periods? There is nowhere world wide where government is responsible solely for education. It is a cold hard truth. The researches and quality of education then can't survive today's complex world. Our education is abysmal just because it is not driven by the best of world-class researches, technology and approaches because of funding. And government can't do it all. BUT at same time, government too has their blames really.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by starstaz(m): 8:58am On Apr 08, 2019
IvarTheTerrible:
[b] I paid approximately 14,000 pounds GBP for a Masters online with University of London. Regular international students pay like 25,000.

The local students pay 7,000 GBP.

My point is this if a professor in the school is on a salary of like 60,000 GBP per annum, 3 international students with their tuition have paid his annual salary. NOTE - we are over 600 students online for this session.

But in University of Ilorin, their tuition is like 23000NGN per YEAR and a professor on a salary of like 400 - 600k/ MONTHLY. It means it would take like 20 students' annual tuition to pay for ONE professor's salary.

This wide disparity will never help us. The sad truth is that a lot of students will drop out but tuition fees have to be initially increased....when standards become high and we get international patronage, we can now reduce the fees for locals (Nigerians) Universities should be given more autonomy in generating funds

Call me callous and devious, but Universities should do steady brainwashing of its students. Keep reinforcing this message "ALUMNI SHOULD GIVE BACK" and increase standards. Stanford University alumni got $1 billion dollars in alumni donations in 2013 ONLY! Professors too shouldn't just be PROFs in title only. Their pay should be commensurate with their contributions to knowledge/research/community.[/b]

I will edit this rather clumsy message later, i am off to work!
Mr Thinker man . Good points. Well articulated.

Before preaching nonsensical idealism and shoving it down our throat. Can you also correlate while this your beautiful idealism is hindered when there is no parity between dollars and Naira and pounds.

As at last check

1 Pound: will fetch u how many naira

1 Dollar: will fetch you 350 naira.

I will support this your idealism if the Government who deliberately turn the masses to pauper thorough incompetent economic policies throughout the years and decades past can restore the strength of the naira to something like 1 dollar to Ten naira.

I conclude that there is a positive correlation between the strength of the economic power of a country and the strength of their University education.

U cannot destroy our economy by your incompetence and turn around to blame us that the only way to receive Qualitative education is by paying what Cambridge or Oxford offers.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by IvarTheTerrible: 9:06am On Apr 08, 2019
starstaz:
Mr Thinker man . Good points. Well articulated.

Before preaching nonsensical idealism and shoving it down our throat. Can you also correlate while this your beautiful idealism is hindered when there is no parity between dollars and Naira and pounds.

As at last check

1 Pound: will fetch u how many naira

1 Dollar: will fetch you 350 naira.

I will support this your idealism if the Government who deliberately turn the masses to pauper thorough incompetent economic policies throughout the years and decades past can restore the strength of the naira to something like 1 dollar to Ten naira.

I conclude that there is a positive correlation between the strength of the economic power of a country and the strength of their University education.

U cannot destroy our economy by your incompetence and turn around to blame us that the only way to receive Qualitative education is by paying what Cambridge or Oxford offers.
Obviously you got the classic Nigerian University education.....

I wouldn't be surprised if you paid for your grades because you sounded so much like an illiterate miracle center dropout.


When you are ready to make sense, try again.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by wink2015(m): 9:13am On Apr 08, 2019
Nwaforj44:
The Pro-Chancellor of the University of Lagos (UNILAG), Dr. Wale Babalakin (SAN), has said universities cannot continue to survive on government largesse, adding that they must learn to invest and improve on revenue generation.

Speaking during the conferment of postgraduate and honorary degrees at UNILAG’s 50th Convocation Ceremony, the senior lawyer said Nigerians universities cannot continue to survive as “government departments expecting government largesse”.

Babalakin said while there had been a raging battle on whether education should be funded by government alone or by government and all stakeholders, his position was that quality education “is an inescapable necessity”.


“It is a must that we all have to be properly educated; so, if government can afford to do it all on its own, so be it. But if government cannot afford it, then we all must join forces to do it. If the choice is between quality education and free education, I choose the former.”

Citing examples of universities that have worked hard to be self-sufficient, Babalakin said: “Harvard University today has an average of $36 billion; while Oxford and Cambridge Universities jointly have 22 billion Pounds (about $30 billion). One College in Cambridge (Trinity College) has $1.3 billion. How did these universities achieve this? The founders of these universities realised that universities must invest, create value, save money and be productive.

“Our universities cannot continue to survive as government departments, expecting government largesse. We have to take advantage of what we have got. There are no less that 50 Nigerians today, who can rebuild UNILAG, but they have to know that their contributions would be used appropriately and they would be able to measure performance and monitor their money.

“If you can assure them of these, then you will be on the road to rebuilding the university system in a manner that it can compete all over the world. There is nothing such as Nigerian education or Nigerian standard. Standard must be universal and world-wide.”

Babalakin thanked President Muhammadu Buhari, for his “very keen interest and determination to reposition education in Nigeria”.

He also thanked the Education Minister, Mallam Adamu Adamu, “whose commitment to the cause of repositioning the education system is unparalleled.” He also lauded the efforts of as the Executive Secretary of the National Universities Commission (NUC), Alhaji Abubakar Rasheed, who represented the president at the event.

Urging the Ph.D graduates to see their degree as a pedestal for greater achievements, the pro-chancellor said: “I want you to be part of a great reformation of Nigeria. I want you to be instrumental to positive change. I want you to be developmental in your various fields and refuse to accept defeat. You are special members of the intelligentsia and you shouldn’t take it for granted.

“I urge you to take the position of United States President John F. Kennedy when he came into power in 1959, that the torch had been passed to a new generation that will not be deterred by the frivolities and obstructions of the former. Let us decide that we’ll turn every stumbling block to a stepping stone for the attainment of greater heights.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2019/04/08/babalakin-varsities-cant-survive-on-govt-funding/%3famp
BABALAKIN,

Our politicians are very corrupt that is why the government is finding it very difficult to fund education in Nigeria.

There is a lot of money in Nigeria that can guarantee FREE AND QUALITATIVE EDUCATION.

It is the political class that is the problem.

Allocate money for education, the money is embezzled or looted.

Our universities can not run research centres, can not develop alternative revenue base.

ALL THIS ARE THE RESULT OF OUR CORRUPT WAY OF LIFE IN NIGERIA.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by starstaz(m): 9:21am On Apr 08, 2019
IvarTheTerrible:
Obviously you got the classic Nigerian University education.....

I wouldn't be surprised if you paid for your grades because you sounded so much like an illiterate miracle center dropout.


When you are ready to make sense, try again.
Thanks well taken.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by CodeTemplar: 12:14pm On Apr 08, 2019
folake4u:
True. That's why you gotta follow Uniben' s footsteps and begin producing bread and table water tongue grin grin
Lol...they can't step up and produce chocolate or pounded yam machine. Even our academicians appear to be suffering brain clog.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by CodeTemplar: 12:19pm On Apr 08, 2019
martowskin1:
Said by those who went to school with free education from govt..... When I call this nation scam people say I dey lie ....
Why aren't the missionaries who offered free education then still offering it free or even cheap today?
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by CodeTemplar: 12:24pm On Apr 08, 2019
kolafolabi:
Subventions cannot be stopped in Nigeria unless students pay between 800k - 1million Naira per session. That's the fact!
Your estimate isn't far from mine but the schools need to be accountable for the around 300k they are getting per student.
When they become more efficient and transparent then I can support the idea of student being made to cough out huge sums of money.
Let every school be accountable to all students and the public at large and let's see what they spend their money on.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by folake4u: 12:25pm On Apr 08, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Lol...they can't step up and produce chocolate or pounded yam machine. Even our academicians appear to be suffering brain clog.
I swear down! cheesy
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by kolafolabi(m): 12:42pm On Apr 08, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Your estimate isn't far from mine but the schools need to be accountable for the around 300k they are getting per student.
When they become more efficient and transparent then I can support the idea of student being made to cough out huge sums of money.
Let every school be accountable to all students and the public at large and let's see what they spend their money on.
Weldone!
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by ajayibiodun12: 12:51pm On Apr 08, 2019
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Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by martowskin1(m): 1:00pm On Apr 08, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Why aren't the missionaries who offered free education then still offering it free or even cheap today?
My brother is OK, they can do what ever they like with education....

But when minimum wage is less than 100$....

I wonder what they are talking about
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by alert01(m): 2:42pm On Apr 08, 2019
HigherEd, Your reasonable contribution as usual is needed on this thread.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by beey2(m): 4:13pm On Apr 08, 2019
What is good for the Goose ... They are privileged that's the reason they want us to pay our way through standard education. In their own era education was almost free even in the uni, some even got easy scholarship oversea or education being funded by FG. Now that they are made they want children of same man with the demonic minimum wage to pay all through acquiring standard education.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by Nobody: 4:19pm On Apr 08, 2019
martowskin1:
Said by those who went to school with free education from govt..... When I call this nation scam people say I dey lie ....
The population of then and now are not the same. The stupidity of the universities admitting more students beyond its capacity is absurd
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by Nobody: 4:21pm On Apr 08, 2019
martowskin1:
now lets take for example.... our government universities, do u know there is hardly any government own university that its school fees is bellow 6figure?

is not like the government is carrying all the burden.... the issue is some individuals are some where looting this funds without puting them into use
Absolutely
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by CodeTemplar: 4:21pm On Apr 08, 2019
asuustrike1:
The population of then and now are not the same. The stupidity of the universities admitting more students beyond its capacity is absurd
Is there any good alternative like polytechnic or technical school? Hardly.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by Nobody: 4:26pm On Apr 08, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Is there any good alternative like polytechnic or technical school? Hardly.
None but education then was better off. No crowding of students in class, some students eat free meal daily, the hostels were good. Instead of the government establishing more federal or state universities as the case may be, they should have upgraded the existing ones.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by CodeTemplar: 6:23pm On Apr 08, 2019
asuustrike1:
None but education then was better off. No crowding of students in class, some students eat free meal daily, the hostels were good. Instead of the government establishing more federal or state universities as the case may be, they should have upgraded the existing ones.
Let's be honest, those good old days of freebies are gone forever.
If they should admit few students on order to preserve those privileges then many people will seat at home. in fact profs will be organizing jamb lessons because it will become much more lucrative.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by Nobody: 6:28pm On Apr 08, 2019
CodeTemplar:
Let's be honest, those good old days of freebies are gone forever.
If they should admit few students on order to preserve those privileges then many people will seat at home. in fact profs will be organizing jamb lessons because it will become much more lucrative.
Yes it is better than churning half baked graduates. So what do you suggest anyway?
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by CodeTemplar: 6:34pm On Apr 08, 2019
asuustrike1:
Yes it is better than churning half baked graduates. So what do you suggest anyway?
I suggest the student be made to pay half of what goes into their education. University education isn't polytechnic or technical college education and therefore not as practical-oriented as most Nigerians expect it to be. Let polytechnics too improve also. many things worrying Nigeria education system.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by CodeTemplar: 6:39pm On Apr 08, 2019
tactius:
Look, according to the 2009 ASUU/FG agreement, universites need at least 1.5 trillion in EXTRA funding per annum to be 'adequately funded'

Since 2009, more government universites have been set up, and the amount should now be 3 trillion in extra funding.

It costs N1 trillion to fund our national assembly, and possibly 500m for ASO rock.

Assuming we want to cut costs, we would at best get 750million from that.

And at the end of the day, we still have to fund primary and secondary schools. And polytechincs and colleges of education.

See the problem?
Saying universities need N1.5Tr is like saying basket needs more water.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by starstaz(m): 5:51am On Apr 09, 2019
The Government silly mistake on Education policy in Nigeria:::

Why do we build mushroom public institutions all over the places that are just glorified dump- sites. A university that cannot accommodate between 50k to 100k students and provide them with modern classroom and hostel facilities ( classical 21 Century architectural master piece) should boldly cover their eyes in shame. Am strictly bashing our nefarious dump site public varsity.

Why can't we, the opportunist in Govt., enhance the capacity of the 6 Foremost public varsity in the 6 geo Zones and provided them with all the resources they needed to compete globally with the likes of South African peers and Egyptian university. So that they can accommodate between 500k students at a time and we enlarge the facilities. And this automatically drive down the cost of public institutions and make it competitive in itself.


check this out:::

Cairo University is Egypt's premier public university. Its main campus ... The University currently enrolls approximately 155,000 students in 22 faculties.

Students: 280,000

Former names: Egyptian University; Fuad I University

Campus: Urban

Administrative staff: 12,158

Tell me which Nigeria university can beat that. As at 2012 Statistics , Unilag operates 40k students population.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by starstaz(m): 5:59am On Apr 09, 2019
How do u expect a man with limited resources to cater adequately for the needs of his 36 Children comfortable and compare with another man with equal resources and just 6 to 8 Children. Definitely the latter will achieved most of its planned objectives and equally saved for the rainy day in the care of his children. This is the closest analagy of The Nigeria public varsity.
What are we doing with more than 40 universities.? Can't we prune it down to 6 or at best 8 for efficient administration. Except we have decided to be competing with ourselves and not with the rest of the world. Govt Lamentations will not stop.

Thinking upside down Govt.,.
Re: Babalakin: Varsities Can’t Survive On Govt Funding by WillTop: 10:44am On Oct 08, 2019
wink2015:
BABALAKIN,

Our politicians are very corrupt that is why the government is finding it very difficult to fund education in Nigeria.

There is a lot of money in Nigeria that can guarantee FREE AND QUALITATIVE EDUCATION.

It is the political class that is the problem.

Allocate money for education, the money is embezzled or looted.

Our universities can not run research centres, can not develop alternative revenue base.

ALL THIS ARE THE RESULT OF OUR CORRUPT WAY OF LIFE IN NIGERIA.
"There is a lot of money in Nigeria that can guarantee FREE AND QUALITATIVE EDUCATION." : This is one of the problems we have you chose to believe in falsehood. The fact that people steal govt money does not mean Nigeria is rich. NIGERIA IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN A RICH COUNTRY - THis is a simple fact. The day we learn this and forget the unlimited oil resource myth we will begin to make the right decisions on how to move forward as a country.
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