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Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by amakenny: 10:24pm On Apr 20, 2019
junkiesneverdie:
Sabotage in the nigerian army this is serious if it's true...
Because Nigeria is not one country..


One part, the north, and some Yoruba want an Islamic State, the southern part, especially, the southeast part, want a circular country
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by PeacenLove2: 10:27pm On Apr 20, 2019
Mexyz:
See a terrorist making demands huh...
So they should ban vigilante so you guys can have free access to communities in order to carry out your devilish activities abi? Imagine the emir even agreeing with him about the ban.
It's incredible. I mean I'm actually speechless.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by PeacenLove2:
I may be wrong but I do believe that like other regions of Islamic extremism, there is always a high rate of support from their communities.

This is why the terrorists can easily re-group after each hit on them, there are always a hundred recruits ready to replace one dead one.

This I believe because they share common beliefs and ideology. They really do believe they are obeying God's command.

So what does the North really want? How can we stop this bloodshed? What will it take to end this for good?

Is it to establish Sharia in the North? Is it to throw away western education entirely in the North? Does the North want their own country because they must admit they cannot force the entire country to accept their ways as we cannot force them to accept our ways? How do we resolve the herdmen problem for good? How can we be good neighbours despite our differences? How do they resolve with Northerners who feel differently? Which way forward?
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by mechanics(m): 10:38pm On Apr 20, 2019
It means FG is correct, how will the emir agree to ban vigilantee members, that's nonsense.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by PeacenLove2: 10:40pm On Apr 20, 2019
amakenny:
Because Nigeria is not one country..


One part, the north, and some Yoruba want an Islamic State, the southern part, especially, the southeast part, want a circular country
Secular wink
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Bimpe29(m): 11:05pm On Apr 20, 2019
This is alarming and it really calls for concerns. Saboteurs are gaining momentum in the fight against insurgency and herdsmen brutality.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by SmartyPants(m): 11:12pm On Apr 20, 2019
Gandollar:
You are wrong. What about the ambushes of foot soldiers, is it the neighbouring community that gives information on time, day and route of the forces to the terrorists?
First off, articulate why I am wrong.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Gandollar(f): 11:53pm On Apr 20, 2019
SmartyPants:
First off, articulate why I am wrong.
Is this a cross-examination or what? I countered you with equal and opposite facts and you are still asking for articulation of what elsehuh
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Sirjamo: 12:56am On Apr 21, 2019
Gandollar:
In the north, good development.

The issue of sabotage in the Nigerian Army is as real as night and day.

When Jonathan said Boko Haram had infiltrated his government, this is exactly what he meant. But Lair Mohammed, foaming from both corners of his mouth, propelled by his puppeteers, went to town twisting the statement to mean Jonathan was clueless. APC zombies here picked it from there and regurgitated same until buhari unfortunately won that election.

Today, they are running from pillar to post like headless chickens, from one policy summersault to another, while terrorists have a field day, killing anything that moves on their path, and even openly boasting about it, while the commander in chief is either holed up in aso rock clueless on what to do, or spotted at various international airports and conferences, taking pictures.
Story
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Nobody: 3:14am On Apr 21, 2019
How many people have noted how Miyetti Allah is a recurring component of all the bloodshed and violence in the north, and how the government has done nothing about this but has been quick to proscribe IPOB because of crude oil politics.

Also note how this government continues to squander resources and innocent lives in its frantic search for crude oil in the north. For the northerners, Project Nigeria is all about access to other people's land and natural resources
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by ithink7: 8:20am On Apr 21, 2019
amakenny:
Because Nigeria is not one country..


One part, the north, and some Yoruba want an Islamic State, the southern part, especially, the southeast part, want a circular country
Secular country
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Geesaintagape: 8:46am On Apr 21, 2019
junkiesneverdie:
Sabotage in the nigerian army this is serious if it's true...
Its true not if it's true
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by SmartyPants(m): 10:51am On Apr 21, 2019
Gandollar:
Is this a cross-examination or what? I countered you with equal and opposite facts and you are still asking for articulation of what elsehuh
You really didn't counter me at because first of all you asserted I was wrong as a matter of fact but then you presented a hypothesis (not proven) which itself if proven could not disprove my assertion. That is to say that they bandits coukd have multiple sources of info, but in the context of a secret mission (if such exists), what I've suggested is a more probably source.

The first person I replied to stated that flight missions are usually secret so I was pointing out that there is another way that espionage usually works. I didn't say there is no incidence of internal espionage or sabotage either.

For you to say I'm wrong you must prove that flight details are leaked by internal informants. Good luck with that. What I've said are obvious facts that have been alluded to several times by military authorities IE that local communities are supporting these criminal elements.

Troops dont wear invisibility cloaks. As they move from their base towards where these bandits stay, the communities in between obviously are aware of their movement and the bandits know the local terrain very well. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the troops don't leave the base and arrive at the target immediately. Some of these raids may require hours for the forces to converge at the location, and this means once the bandits have an idea they are coming, they can prepare.

Speaking of ambushes however, has there been any report that soldiers where successfully ambushed by bandits?
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Kenturkey048(m): 12:25pm On Apr 21, 2019
tempest01:
Why won't there be sabotage? when the recruitment process is a sham, and anybody with any mischievous background can join, as long as they know one someone that knows one top politician
an army that recruits repented terrorist ..very funny country.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by PLAYBOX22: 1:26pm On Apr 21, 2019
Which kind bandit ....Boko boys diversion and bloody games.

You will understand later if you don't now.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by ofwest47(m): 1:31pm On Apr 21, 2019
The happening insurgencies in the entire North has to do with one claiming the ownership of the other zone so their leaders are the major sponsors of destructions going on in the entire North and without holding them to Ransome the killings and destruction of different communities will continue unabated.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by BluntTheApostle(m): 2:04pm On Apr 21, 2019
GidiWoodsMan:
How many people have noted how Miyetti Allah is a recurring component of all the bloodshed and violence in the north, and how the government has done nothing about this but has been quick to proscribe IPOB because of crude oil politics.

Also note how this government continues to squander resources and innocent lives in its frantic search for crude oil in the north. For the northerners, Project Nigeria is all about access to other people's land and natural resources
There is too much ethnic sentiments in this post.

What should the government do about Miyetti Allah? Is Miyetti Allah a terrorist group or a secessionist group?
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Gandollar(f): 2:12pm On Apr 21, 2019
SmartyPants:
You really didn't counter me at because first of all you asserted I was wrong as a matter of fact but then you presented a hypothesis (not proven) which itself if proven could not disprove my assertion. That is to say that they bandits coukd have multiple sources of info, but in the context of a secret mission (if such exists), what I've suggested is a more probably source.

The first person I replied to stated that flight missions are usually secret so I was pointing out that there is another way that espionage usually works. I didn't say there is no incidence of internal espionage or sabotage either.

For you to say I'm wrong you must prove that flight details are leaked by internal informants. Good luck with that. What I've said are obvious facts that have been alluded to several times by military authorities IE that local communities are supporting these criminal elements.

Troops dont wear invisibility cloaks. As they move from their base towards where these bandits stay, the communities in between obviously are aware of their movement and the bandits know the local terrain very well. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the troops don't leave the base and arrive at the target immediately. Some of these raids may require hours for the forces to converge at the location, and this means once the bandits have an idea they are coming, they can prepare.

Speaking of ambushes however, has there been any report that soldiers where successfully ambushed by bandits?
I get the point you are making that even if I was right, it still doesn't mean you are wrong.

Yes, good luck to me in proving that flight details are leaked by internal informants grin, I was not there, not a soldier, neither one of the bandits grin

Having said that, I have relatives in the Army rank and file and it is through them we get to hear about some of these things which again are mere suspicions because I have not been told by them yet that there's been a court marshal of army personnels suspected to be informants to these evil people.

Their strong suspicions have been based on the manner by which supposedly classified info about strategies and countered brutally by the opposing forces in the field.

I lost an in-law very dear to me three years ago to BH around Kafanchan. They were conveying a large cache of arms to maiduguri from Lagos when out of nowhere, in the middle of no where, they were ambushed and finished off by BH, with a few soldiers surviving but with serious injuries.

Though you seem to be harping on bandits, but I classify them all as terrorists and the internet is awash with many instances of very deadly ambushes.

If the zamfara bandits have not recorded any successful ambush of soldiers yet, it is a matter of time judging from the tone of the bandit speaking with the emir.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Nobody: 2:24pm On Apr 21, 2019
BluntTheApostle:
There is too much ethnic sentiments in this post.

What should the government do about Miyetti Allah? Is Miyetti Allah a terrorist group or a secessionist group?
By their fruits. . .

Yes, Miyettti Allah is a terrorist group because it has been linked with mayhem and bloodshed in the north/middle-belt hundreds of times over the past several years. The group has even claimed responsibility for specific acts of terror perpetrated against defenceless communities once or twice.

Isn't it incredible how ethnic alliances/sentiments has so beclouded your perception of the world that you've actually started believing our own propaganda and lies. It's the real tragedy of Nigeria that people like you, because of a few measly millions in government patronage, support and worship falsehood and in the process you bequeath a dystopic society on your children and future generations.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by BluntTheApostle(m): 2:29pm On Apr 21, 2019
GidiWoodsMan:
By their fruits. . .

Yes, Miyettti Allah is a terrorist group because it has been linked with mayhem and bloodshed in the north/middle-belt hundreds of times over the past several years. The group has even claimed responsibility for specific acts of terror perpetrated against defenceless communities once or twice.

Isn't it incredible how ethnic alliances/sentiments has so beclouded your perception of the world that you've actually started believing our own propaganda and lies. It's the real tragedy of Nigeria that people like you, because of a few measly millions in government patronage, support and worship falsehood and in the process you bequeath a dystopic society on your children and future generations.
I will like to see the credible links to materials documenting Miyetti Allah's claims to have sponsored acts of terror.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by SmartyPants(m): 2:34pm On Apr 21, 2019
Gandollar:
I get the point you are making that even if I was right, it still doesn't mean you are wrong.

Yes, good luck to me in proving that flight details are leaked by internal informants grin, I was not there, not a soldier, neither one of the bandits grin

Having said that, I have relatives in the Army rank and file and it is through them we get to hear about some of these things which again are mere suspicions because I have not been told by them yet that there's been a court marshal of army personnels suspected to be informants to these evil people.

Their strong suspicions have been based on the manner by which supposedly classified info about strategies and countered brutally by the opposing forces in the field.

I lost an in-law very dear to me three years ago to BH around Kafanchan. They were conveying a large cache of arms to maiduguri from Lagos when out of nowhere, in the middle of no where, they were ambushed and finished off by BH, with a few soldiers surviving but with serious injuries.

Though you seem to be harping on bandits, but I classify them all as terrorists and the internet is awash with many instances of very deadly ambushes.

If the zamfara bandits have not recorded any successful ambush of soldiers yet, it is a matter of time judging from the tone of the bandit speaking with the emir.
I'm very sorry for your loss.

The reason i am specific in mentioning the bandits is because it's a different theatre of conflict entirely. Boko haram is a religious and socio-political entity that obviously will have sympathizers within the security forces. But banditry is an economic thing and it's much less likely that there will be sympathizers within the army.

In a wider context, i have no doubt that many of those who qualify as bandits may very possibly operate as boko haram and so called fulani herdsmen on another day.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Nobody: 2:39pm On Apr 21, 2019
BluntTheApostle:
I will like to see the credible links to materials documenting Miyetti Allah's claims to have sponsored acts of terror.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/06/plateau-massacre-retaliation-lost-300-cows-miyetti-allah/amp/
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by BluntTheApostle(m): 2:50pm On Apr 21, 2019
GidiWoodsMan:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/06/plateau-massacre-retaliation-lost-300-cows-miyetti-allah/amp/
Did you read the post at all.

Miyetti Allah did not claim to have sponsored the reprisal attacks.

Instead, they believe that those who carried out the attacks must have been on a revenge mission.

You can't hold that against the group.
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by Pentasoft1978: 3:23pm On Apr 21, 2019
Let's stop acting as if Bihari is not aware of all these, he knows
Re: Zamfara: Military Airstrikes Can't Kill Us, We Get Information Ahead Of Attack by ransomed: 1:57pm On Apr 25, 2019
Jiang:
Do you have any idea how ridiculously stup#d you sound, If all northern officers are compromised, do you think you will be comfortable seating in ur cave at d eastern part of d country to type dis shyt
You know quite well how book haram has been decimating your folks. You can attest to the carnage from Riyom, Barking ladi, Jos north etc to Benue state. Stop deceiving yourself. Northern officers are loyal to the religion of pieces than the Nation. One thing I know is that your evil is catching up with you. Banditry, terrorism, fulanisn, desertification are the rewards of your past injustice to others. Go on and drink more blood.
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