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gypsey:
There are Always a probable cause.
All the had to say is there have been a robbery at the next street few hours Ago and you fit the DESCRIPTION of one of the SUSPECTS.

SouthSouth1914:
There is a section of the constitution that says there must be plausible causes! The NPF stops anything all in the name of naira should change hands..

Police should not have absolute power, this man saying this sends a wrong signal.. that’s my point!

dochenaj:
Remember, Nigeria is not a place to use the probable cause argument because our Justice system is still very much archaic. The Rule of Law is never sacrosanct.
But my response was in respect to the person who tried to compare Nigeria with saner climes, by saying they could also search you randomly in the saner societies.
For instance in saner climes, the police cannot just fabricate a story that there was a robbery and the suspect fit the description else they will need to provide evidence of the robbery and might need to produce the person that gave the description and if the description was a 911 call they might also be asked by the defense counsel to provide that for the jury/judge to hear it.
But in Nigeria, anything goes. So if you're stopped "na to jejely" allow them search you and answer them "yes sir" because if they accuse you of anything false, you might as well be gone, if you don't have someone in the ranks in politics/army/police to save you.

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
OH OK. I'll do just that Padre. Thx

gypsey:
You were not entirely incorrect by your Earlier Assertions, And he isn't wrong too either it's just that he Appear Arogant with his knowledge of the "probable cause"

And he also Addressed you as Dude, you haven't removed your vagina recently have you? *jokes*

gypsey:
Yes, you are correct, But random searches without probable cause can Also lead to An Arrest of a criminal or criminals, I believe police are allowed Also to an extent to conduct random searches.
I can understand your elaborations Above, but i think it all boils down to preventing crimes and yes!! in Nigeria Anything goes so probable cause would be out of "Normality" for Nigerian police and Nigerians..
Imagine you asking a Nigerian police why he stopped and wants to search you.

AutoJoshNG:
https://i1.wp.com/autojosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/ACP-of-police.jpg?w=415&ssl=1

Aboyomi Shogunle is the Assistant Commissioner of Police and Director of Police Public Complaint Rapid Response Unit. His official handle on Twitter is @YomiShogunle; it’s his verified account.

Mr. Aboyomi noted down some points on your responsibilities during police encounter. One of the numerous points he made is that “you, bag & car can be searched without warrant.”

A lot of people are of the opinion that the police should not search them unless they have a warrant to do so.

On the issue of police officers searching individuals without warrant, the ACP just cleared the air.

Read the tweet of the police ACP below;

Your responsibilities during police encounters #YsGuide;
•Be polite & stay calm
•Do not resist or be abusive
•Do not push/hit an officer
•Do not interfere with or obstruct police
•You, bag & car can be searched without warrant.
If u don’t like encounter, report @PoliceNG_CRU

https://i0.wp.com/autojosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/cars-bags-searched-police-no-warrant-acpabayomi-shogunle.png?resize=598%2C448&ssl=1

SOURCE: https://autojosh.com/you-bad-car-searched-no-warrant-police/

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
Someone said Probable Cause and you saying Plausible Cause! Which one should we follow naw My brain is paining me Abeg

dochenaj:
I get your point about how random searches could help catch an unsuspecting criminal.
But in the US, any criminal arrested on random search without a probable cause with a good defense counsel could walk. That's how interesting their judicial system is.
Murderers who gave confessions under duress have walked because the confessions became inadmissible in court after it was proved beyond reasonable doubt that the confession was obtained the wrong way.
But sometimes probable cause may not be hard to prove, for instance. If a Lexus 300 was stolen around here, the police in the nearest checkpoint has a probable cause to stop all Lexus 300 and request for particulars. But most times proving probable cause over random searches could be a herculean task.
And my point has been that, if they want to search, they had better have probable cause for the search, so that it is not just unnecessary harassing of law abiding citizens just like SARS is wont to do.

SouthSouth1914:
Check in to the next hospital!

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
Someone said Probable Cause and you saying Plausible Cause! Which one should we follow naw My brain is paining me Abeg

gypsey:
You are Correct..

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
This one u jumping up and down validating every comment, odikwa nnam mma?

gypsey:
You were both correct in Different ways. I mentioned it Already Don't panic, perhaps you should check into that nearest Hospital as someone Already suggested .

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
Come pay the bill

SouthSouth1914:
Go get a diagnosis and let me know the bills.. then I can comfortably ask for your account details

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
In sane countries, police can stop you and search if everything looks suspicious, they don't need warrant for that now.

How do they bust guys with guns and drugs over there? Nigerians should chill and allow d police do their job biko

AZeD1:
This is how random checks are conducted in Ontario Canada.

https://stepstojustice.ca/questions/criminal-law/can-police-stop-me-street-and-ask-my-id



Notice how it says you can decide to answer them or not and they cannot stop you from leaving.

Last I checked, Canada is a sane country.

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
This is Nigeria...

AZeD1:
The post I quoted said it happens in sane countries and I showed you an example of a sane country were a person can refuse random checks.

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
They say it's advanced Cognitive disorder and the bill is 100k only.

SouthSouth1914:
These are just word of mouth.., if you are serious you know what to do

fuckerstard:
Uhmmm

Unfortunately , the guy is right! If you don't want to be search at the checkpoint then you can go ahead to the station for more inspection.

One thing I've learnt about police encounter is that you need to open your eyes and ears, it's not all them that are coming to abuse you or harass you. E.g

I was pulled over at a checkpoint recently, i was driving a fully tinted car that you won't even see anything unless i tap down the windows. This guys are with CIB. I picked up my vehicle paper and tint permit etc from the safe and locked the car because you never can tell what next. When i gave him the papers, he check the tint permit and requested for the original and i told him i rarely go out with that since i have a copy.

He insisted, i explained to him that I've been driving around with this permit for a while now and no issues. He said i shouldn't say that cos police different from police, I was like really?? Issokay. So what's gonna happen now, he told the other guy to take me to the station. I didn't budge because i know say i no dey go any station today. So i con ask am say but why him wan make my day worse, this thing we you dey hold me for na minor thing, he said no it's not minor. Then he dropped this points

He said the government does give tint permit for cars except for SUV's, that i won't be surprised if i see say na another suv dem use prepare my permit. I was like you don't mean it!

He also said how can i tint my car so dark that nobody can see the inside at all, he said for my own safety it is bad. Some trigger happy cops might shoot at the car claiming that we're not able to see the inside.

He even said almost 95% of criminals have dark tint.

he gave me lot of instances, that was when i realized that this guys are giving me advice and it's left for me to take it.

To cut the story short, I told them i really appreciate what they're telling me and I'll be going to get rid of the dark tint and make it more visible to avoid unnecessary attention. Naso dem leave me when they notice say i don get the message.

The moral of the story is that, when you have encounter with the police. try as much as possible not to make the issues escalate, they are reasonable ones among them.

Shoutout to C clear!

fuckerstard:
Uhmmm

Unfortunately , the guy is right! If you don't want to be search at the checkpoint then you can go ahead to the station for more inspection.

One thing I've learnt about police encounter is that you need to open your eyes and ears, it's not all them that are coming to abuse you or harass you. E.g

I was pulled over at a checkpoint recently, i was driving a fully tinted car that you won't even see anything unless i tap down the windows. This guys are with CIB. I picked up my vehicle paper and tint permit etc from the safe and locked the car because you never can tell what next. When i gave him the papers, he check the tint permit and requested for the original and i told him i rarely go out with that since i have a copy.

He insisted, i explained to him that I've been driving around with this permit for a while now and no issues. He said i shouldn't say that cos police different from police, I was like really?? Issokay. So what's gonna happen now, he told the other guy to take me to the station. I didn't budge because i know say i no dey go any station today. So i con ask am say but why him wan make my day worse, this thing we you dey hold me for na minor thing, he said no it's not minor. Then he dropped this points

He said the government does give tint permit for cars except for SUV's, that i won't be surprised if i see say na another suv dem use prepare my permit. I was like you don't mean it!

He also said how can i tint my car so dark that nobody can see the inside at all, he said for my own safety it is bad. Some trigger happy cops might shoot at the car claiming that we're not able to see the inside.

He even said almost 95% of criminals have dark tint.

he gave me lot of instances, that was when i realized that this guys are giving me advice and it's left for me to take it.

To cut the story short, I told them i really appreciate what they're telling me and I'll be going to get rid of the dark tint and make it more visible to avoid unnecessary attention. Naso dem leave me when they notice say i don get the message.

The moral of the story is that, when you have encounter with the police. try as much as possible not to make the issues escalate, they are reasonable ones among them.

True. They also profile. There is a kind of demeanor you carry that makes u more likely to be stopped.
Shoutout to C clear!

fuckerstard:
Uhmmm

Unfortunately , the guy is right! If you don't want to be search at the checkpoint then you can go ahead to the station for more inspection.

One thing I've learnt about police encounter is that you need to open your eyes and ears, it's not all them that are coming to abuse you or harass you. E.g

I was pulled over at a checkpoint recently, i was driving a fully tinted car that you won't even see anything unless i tap down the windows. This guys are with CIB. I picked up my vehicle paper and tint permit etc from the safe and locked the car because you never can tell what next. When i gave him the papers, he check the tint permit and requested for the original and i told him i rarely go out with that since i have a copy.

He insisted, i explained to him that I've been driving around with this permit for a while now and no issues. He said i shouldn't say that cos police different from police, I was like really?? Issokay. So what's gonna happen now, he told the other guy to take me to the station. I didn't budge because i know say i no dey go any station today. So i con ask am say but why him wan make my day worse, this thing we you dey hold me for na minor thing, he said no it's not minor. Then he dropped this points

He said the government does give tint permit for cars except for SUV's, that i won't be surprised if i see say na another suv dem use prepare my permit. I was like you don't mean it!

He also said how can i tint my car so dark that nobody can see the inside at all, he said for my own safety it is bad. Some trigger happy cops might shoot at the car claiming that we're not able to see the inside.

He even said almost 95% of criminals have dark tint.

he gave me lot of instances, that was when i realized that this guys are giving me advice and it's left for me to take it.

To cut the story short, I told them i really appreciate what they're telling me and I'll be going to get rid of the dark tint and make it more visible to avoid unnecessary attention. Naso dem leave me when they notice say i don get the message.

The moral of the story is that, when you have encounter with the police. try as much as possible not to make the issues escalate, they are reasonable ones among them.


Shoutout to C clear!