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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by topstone4: 1:38pm On Apr 30, 2019
BlackfireX:





Afise .

So, eni t'ó fi se é ti kú?! shocked

What a pity
Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by T9ksy(m): 1:52pm On Apr 30, 2019
nku5:


No madam. If I knew i would not ask you. I do believe you are presenting a mixture of fake facts and half truths. You claim something as fact but scurry away from giving evidence. It's very possible you don't have facts to back up your claims



First of all, am no madam but a male being.


Like i said earlier, if you truly don't know (what the 3 major political-cum-ethnic parties prior to Nigeria's independence stood for) then you surely have no business been in the Politics section.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by pazienza(m): 2:18pm On Apr 30, 2019
T9ksy post:



We 're both saying the same thing, mate. However, despite the north slaughtering the ibos in 1945 and again in 1953, I can't help wondering why the same ibos still willingly went into the One Nigeria project believing it can work. Infact, it was the same ibos who insisted that the One Nigeria project MUST work and as such "cessation clause" should not be entertained in our constitution.

Please, at what point did the Igbos hold Yorubas at gun point or forced them to be part of Nigeria?
Zik never had control of the Nigerian Army, he never threatened war on any region who wanted to secede, he simply argued strongly before the British commission why he believed a United Nigeria was better than a divided one.
It's silly equating this to what Yorubas and North did in the civil war, where Igbos were forced back to Nigeria at gun point. Yoruba never declared for independence and Zik used the military to bring them back, Zik never even threatened such. This argument is a non starter.

On the secession clause. The idea propagated by Yoruba mischievous elements is that if secession clause was allowed to stay, that it could have benefitted Ndigbo when we wanted Biafra. Again this is mere assumption with no proof. The available fact is that the Nigerian constitution was disbanded by Ironsi in favour of military decrees. The military don't recognize the civilian constitution, the secession clause if it was passed into law, would have been declared null and void like every other part of the constitution by the military immediately they took over,
so even if there were succession clause in the constitution before 1966, it wouldn't have still existed under the military regime of Ironsi or Gowon, and as such would have been immaterial to the outcome of Igbo attempt at secession from Nigeria.
What I see here are Yorubas clutching at straws with the redundant secession clause argument.


And when did the ibos realised the union is not working? When Issac Boro believed the project is not working the ibos fought to bring them back into the union probably 'cause they still had hope in the project and of course, they were at the helms of power, then.

The moment a national coup with participants from all over the country was branded Igbo coup and Igbos massacred all over the country with subtle support of the government of the day. A government /country loses the right to claim authority over a people, the moment it fails to protect their lives and property, but were rather complicit in the heinous acts of massacre against them.

The west have always been in opposition whilst you inos have always took a subservient role in the northern govt of the day. It's instructive to note that insipte of all the atrocities the north (as alleged by you lot) perpetuated against biafrans during the oil war, the same ibos willingly jumped into bed with the north in the 2nd republic.

This is not true. Awolowo wanted alliance with the North/East with no particular preference so as to control the center. His treachery of trying to play the North and East backfired and he was forced to play the opposition with the western region. It wasn't a conscious decision, it was a consequence of his political misadventures and treachery that confined him to the doldrums of opposition politics, he was not happy with that either, as he tried severely to amend it, leading to his incarceration, having been found guilty of treasonable felony while trying to usurp Balewa government.

https://www.nairaland.com/3780719/politics-first-coalition-govt-nigeria

Awolowo/Yorbas never liked playing the opposition. Akintola immediately he unseated Awolowo moved fast to unite his NNDP with NPC to form a coalition government at the center. Awolowo immediately he was out from Prison didn't hesitate to team up with the central government led by Gowon.

The whole story of West playing opposition politics is a hoax that can never withstand the scrutiny of analysis of political history of Yorubas in Nigeria. It's just one of those lies that had been repeated relentlessly by Yoruba controlled media of yore, that it started taking the form of truth, but it is still very far from the truth.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by gidgiddy: 3:08pm On Apr 30, 2019
T9ksy:




We 're both saying the same thing, mate. However, despite the north slaughtering the ibos in 1945 and again in 1953, I can't help wondering why the same ibos still willingly went into the One Nigeria project believing it can work. Infact, it was the same ibos who insisted that the One Nigeria project MUST work and as such "cessation clause" should not be entertained in our constitution.

You forget that in 1945 and 1953 when those massacres happend, Nigeria was still a British colony. The main priority and agitation of the time was to get the British out. I laugh at people who ask why Igbos went into the Nigerian project despite the massacres. Was there any choice? It was either the Nigerian project or remain a British colony and Igbos were already been killed in the British colony. I also laugh at anybody talking about secession in the constitution. No constitution has secession in it, secession is the illegal declaration of independence and is a crime. It cannot be in any constitution. The only thing that can be in the constitution is self determination, and it is already in constitution via international law.


And when did the ibos realised the union is not working? When Issac Boro believed the project is not working the ibos fought to bring them back into the union probably 'cause they still had hope in the project and of course, they were at the helms of power, then.

The west have always been in opposition whilst you inos have always took a subservient role in the northern govt of the day. It's instructive to note that insipte of all the atrocities the north (as alleged by you lot) perpetuated against biafrans during the oil war, the same ibos willingly jumped into bed with the north in the 2nd republic.

Let me just stop here.

To this day, nobody knows what Isaac Adaka Boro was all about. He just armed some men and took to the bushes in some guerilla style banditry. Nobody even knows what area he declared the so called "Niger Delta Republic". And to show he had no support, he was captured after just 12 days without any protest from the Ijaw people. Adaka Boro was on his own. But with Ojukwu, he had the support of most Easterners who stood by him and fought for 3 years to keep the dream alive.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by nku5: 3:33pm On Apr 30, 2019
T9ksy:




First of all, am no madam but a male being.


Like i said earlier, if you truly don't know (what the 3 major political-cum-ethnic parties prior to Nigeria's independence stood for) then you surely have no business been in the Politics section.


What is so hard about substantiating your accusation with proof? People like you peddled the lie that Nzeogwu's coup was an Igbo until the truth was made clear. Now prove this theory for simple discussion sake so I can learn grin

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Ereolamide: 5:25pm On Apr 30, 2019
why do Igbos love to absolve themselves of the blame and deny the roles they played in having a hand, infact an arm in the unity of Nigeria it is very sickening. You argued for Nigeria's unity and removal of seccession clause from the constitution, speech or oratory are the weapon used during debates nobody draws a sword or spray hails of bullet during such engagement.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Giddy11513: 12:43pm On May 01, 2019
PFRB:


The victims of that riot were Igbos. Why are you shy of saying it?



I've never been shy of saying or doing anything, from what you've read what have you gathered? I don't need to spell it out for you. It's left for you to conclude.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Redhotycecold: 1:01pm On May 01, 2019
I'm not an Ibo man but I know that they've suffered.



I don't need to be Ibo to see the injustice they suffered at the hands of Northerners.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by T9ksy(m): 5:33pm On May 01, 2019
nku5:


What is so hard about substantiating your accusation with proof? People like you peddled the lie that Nzeogwu's coup was an Igbo until the truth was made clear. Now prove this theory for simple discussion sake so I can learn grin



By the way, it wasn't Nzeogwu's coup rather it was Ifeajunna's. Nzeogwu was recruited like Ademoyega but the former being based and knowledgeable of the northern part of the new nation was chosen to lead the operation in that region.


Secondly, it was an ibo coup meant to snatch power at the centre from the illiterate northerners but backfired.


Lastly, what gives you the foggiest notion that i give a rat's a.r.s.e whether you are snowed under by your ignorance or not?

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by T9ksy(m): 7:01pm On May 01, 2019
pazienza:

https://www.nairaland.com/3780719/politics-first-coalition-govt-nigeria

Awolowo/Yorbas never liked playing the opposition. Akintola immediately he unseated Awolowo moved fast to unite his NNDP with NPC to form a coalition government at the center. Awolowo immediately he was out from Prison didn't hesitate to team up with the central government led by Gowon.

The whole story of West playing opposition politics is a hoax that can never withstand the scrutiny of analysis of political history of Yorubas in Nigeria. It's just one of those lies that had been repeated relentlessly by Yoruba controlled media of yore, that it started taking the form of truth, but it is still very far from the truth.



@ bolded......................Geez!!!

Can you tell us which party was in the opposition in the 1st republic? it must have been the ibos grin

Before Akintola came to join the govt at the centre, who initially formed a coalition govt with the central govt?

Barely a decade after the war (where ibos were slaughtered like vermin by the northerners), pray tell, who was the vice- in the Shagara's govt and who was in the opposition?

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by T9ksy(m): 7:23pm On May 01, 2019
pazienza:

The moment a national coup with participants from all over the country was branded Igbo coup and Igbos massacred all over the country with subtle support of the government of the day. A government /country loses the right to claim authority over a people, the moment it fails to protect their lives and property, but were rather complicit in the heinous acts of massacre against them.






Whilst the participants in the jan 1966 coup might have crossed all the ethnic divide in the country, the fact remains

that the main bulk of the coup planners were ibos (90%) whereas the same ibos were very prominent in the govt of the day which they claimed

was corrupt and incompetent and thus aimed to eradicate but somehow the victims of the so-called "national coup" were 99% non-ibos!


I can only presume that the ibos in the Balewa govt must have been squeaky clean . cool

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Naajjii: 7:46pm On May 01, 2019
BlackfireX:
If you check history the north, obafemi awolowo representing the SW, present day SS under adaka boro never wanted anything to do with Nigeria, it was the igbos who believed in it, and when it was obvious the shi.t contraption is not working, and decides to leave, all hell got loose from the north, SW, SS that they must remain with millions dead and the scars remaining.
You wanted Nigeria at the foundation level when others saw that it won't work you used your influence because you had influential people then to oppress others. Now the table has turned you want to run away.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by nku5: 10:26am On May 02, 2019
T9ksy:




By the way, it wasn't Nzeogwu's coup rather it was Ifeajunna's. Nzeogwu was recruited like Ademoyega but the former being based and knowledgeable of the northern part of the new nation was chosen to lead the operation in that region.


Secondly, it was an ibo coup meant to snatch power at the centre from the illiterate northerners but backfired.


Lastly, what gives you the foggiest notion that i give a rat's a.r.s.e whether you are snowed under by your ignorance or not?





Nzeogwu coup or Ifeajuna coup who cares what the name was. Nzeogwu read the speech, Nzeogwu did the interviews, Nzeogwu trained the plotters. It was Nzeogwu's coup to the world. Besides Igbos practically controlled the Army so leave all this pettiness

If Igbos wanted to take over it would have been the easiest thing to do. Ironsi foiled the coup in Lagos, Ojukwu and Ike Nwachukwu kept Kano free from the plotters. In the West and North Igbos ensured the coup failed so your point is baseless. Your region was in a civil war called Operation Wetie and the plotters wanted to put Awo in power. Even primary school students know this now grin grin

Your attempt to divert attention has failed grin Pls teach us how Igbos forced the country into a nation before independence. Or just admit you have no facts and were faking it the whole time

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Volksfuhrer(m): 12:40pm On May 02, 2019
nku5:


Nzeogwu coup or Ifeajuna coup who cares what the name was. Nzeogwu read the speech, Nzeogwu did the interviews, Nzeogwu trained the plotters. It was Nzeogwu's coup to the world. Besides Igbos practically controlled the Army so leave all this pettiness

If Igbos wanted to take over it would have been the easiest thing to do. Ironsi foiled the coup in Lagos, Ojukwu and Ike Nwachukwu kept Kano free from the plotters. In the West and North Igbos ensured the coup failed so your point is baseless. Your region was in a civil war called Operation Wetie and the plotters wanted to put Awo in power. Even primary school students know this now grin grin

Your attempt to divert attention has failed grin Pls teach us how Igbos forced the country into a nation before independence. Or just admit you have no facts and were faking it the whole time

He said the truth! Your rant only showed you knew next to nothing about the January 1966 Coup.

"Nzeogwu trained the plotters..."(!): which of the "plotters"? the ones in Kaduna or Lagos?

"Nzeogwu read the speech..." : that ipso facto made him leader of the Coup plot? Dogoyaro read the speech that brought Babangida to power...it didn't mean he lead the plot!

If you were truly familiar with the coup you would know that Nzeogwu was recruited only a few months before January 1966! Unbeknown to Nzeogwu, the "coup" was not a coup originally planned by Ifeajuna to take power from civilians and foist military rule on Nigeria...it was devised only to eliminate the political enemies of Zik and the NCNC, which explained the patterns of killings! Nzeogwu was duped big time by Ifeajuna and co. The "coup" was a success as planned by the "inner circle!"

Igbos did take over through Ironsi (Plan B) when the move to install Mbadiwe as acting Prime Minister (Plan A) failed! The North that called the coup an "Igbo coup" were not as clueless as once thought...they saw right through the charade. Events of the time forced such conclusion and I don't blame them...I put the blame on Ifeajuna's head and Igbo elders who didn't foresee the morbid consequences of his intent.

Having said that, I would like to add that Ironsi didn't foil the coup, he was too incompetent to do so...that lofty credit was Gowon's and Ejoor's!

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by popupmotion: 12:49pm On May 02, 2019
thanks for sharing

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by nku5: 1:29pm On May 02, 2019
Volksfuhrer:


He said the truth! Your rant only showed you knew next to nothing about the January 1966 Coup.

"Nzeogwu trained the plotters..."(!): which of the "plotters"? the ones in Kaduna or Lagos?

"Nzeogwu read the speech..." : that ipso facto made him leader of the Coup plot? Dogoyaro read the speech that brought Babangida to power...it didn't mean he lead the plot!

If you were truly familiar with the coup you would know that Nzeogwu was recruited only a few months before January 1966! Unbeknown to Nzeogwu, the "coup" was not a coup originally planned by Ifeajuna to take power from civilians and foist military rule on Nigeria...it was devised only to eliminate the political enemies of Zik and the NCNC, which explained the patterns of killings! Nzeogwu was duped big time by Ifeajuna and co. The "coup" was a success as planned by the "inner circle!"

Igbos did take over through Ironsi (Plan B) when the move to install Mbadiwe as acting Prime Minister (Plan A) failed! The North that called the coup an "Igbo coup" were not as clueless as once thought...they saw right through the charade. Events of the time forced such conclusion and I don't blame them...I put the blame on Ifeajuna's head and Igbo elders who didn't foresee the morbid consequences of his intent.

Having said that, I would like to add that Ironsi didn't foil the coup, he was too incompetent to do so...that lofty credit was Gowon's and Ejoor's!

Oga you are allowed to hate Igbos it's your business but you are not allowed to lie. Adewale Ademoyega in pages 75-76 of his book "Why we struck" states in clear terms when the "nucleus" of the coup first began to meet. Adewale Ademoyega, Kaduna Nzeogwu and Emmanuel Ifeajuna began the plot in 1961. How can you boldly post that Nzeogwu was recruited few months to the coup abeg grin

Honestly I'm not interested in the rest of the embarrassing stuff you posted because it's just too easy to debunk and we have laid all these your James Bond stories to rest over and over again. Its getting boring. I want that person I quoted to answer the question I asked. All these coup stories are a diversion to be frank

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Giddy11513: 8:08pm On May 02, 2019
popupmotion:
thanks for sharing
Your most welcome.
Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by T9ksy(m): 8:52pm On May 02, 2019
nku5:


Oga you are allowed to hate Igbos it's your business but you are not allowed to lie. Adewale Ademoyega in pages 75-76 of his book "Why we struck" states in clear terms when the "nucleus" of the coup first began to meet. Adewale Ademoyega, Kaduna Nzeogwu and Emmanuel Ifeajuna began the plot in 1961. How can you boldly post that Nzeogwu was recruited few months to the coup abeg grin

Honestly I'm not interested in the rest of the embarrassing stuff you posted because it's just too easy to debunk and we have laid all these your James Bond stories to rest over and over again. Its getting boring. I want that person I quoted to answer the question I asked. All these coup stories are a diversion to be frank


Are we then suppose to assume it took the coupists, 5years to plan their coup?

Also, less then a year after being granted independence by the colonialist, the coupists were already planning to topple the new govt. And what reasons could they have for planning a coup so soon? That the govt of the day of which your elite were a significant part of, was corrupt? However, on execution day, your elite (who were part and parcel of the purportedly corrupt govt) ALL coincidentally missed the killer squad's murderous raid.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by nku5: 8:27am On May 03, 2019
T9ksy:



Are we then suppose to assume it took the coupists, 5years to plan their coup?

Also, less then a year after being granted independence by the colonialist, the coupists were already planning to topple the new govt. And what reasons could they have for planning a coup so soon? That the govt of the day of which your elite were a significant part of, was corrupt? However, on execution day, your elite (who were part and parcel of the purportedly corrupt govt) ALL coincidentally missed the killer squad's murderous raid.


Don't ask me silly questions go and read Adewale Ademoyega's book where he gave all the answers. Though I'm certain you don't want the truth because it will smash your anti-Igbo narrative to pieces. I'm done with this coup gist abeg. The "Igbo coup" propaganda is DEAD stop making a clown of yourself.

Abeg tell us how Igbos forced all the other tribes into Nigeria as you claimed and stop dodging

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by FortuneDeGreat(m): 11:22am On May 03, 2019
PFRB:


The victims of that riot were Igbos. Why are you shy of saying it?
It is obvious and no one is shy of that fact, the only sizeable southerners those miscreants could lay hands on are the Igbos who are boldly ubiquitous and legitimately conducting their businesses, how many Yorubas are in kano now not to talk of then? So be sensible!

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by FortuneDeGreat(m): 11:34am On May 03, 2019
Naajjii:

You wanted Nigeria at the foundation level when others saw that it won't work you used your influence because you had influential people then to oppress others. Now the table has turned you want to run away.
Which table was turned? Who turned it and at what point, rule Nigeria from now till eternity your people won't be redeemed from their irreversible crested titles of THE POOREST and THE MOST ACADEMICALLY BACKWARD people in Nigeria grin grin grin

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Volksfuhrer(m): 4:50am On May 06, 2019
nku5:


Oga you are allowed to hate Igbos it's your business but you are not allowed to lie. Adewale Ademoyega in pages 75-76 of his book "Why we struck" states in clear terms when the "nucleus" of the coup first began to meet. Adewale Ademoyega, Kaduna Nzeogwu and Emmanuel Ifeajuna began the plot in 1961. How can you boldly post that Nzeogwu was recruited few months to the coup abeg grin

Honestly I'm not interested in the rest of the embarrassing stuff you posted because it's just too easy to debunk and we have laid all these your James Bond stories to rest over and over again. Its getting boring. I want that person I quoted to answer the question I asked. All these coup stories are a diversion to be frank

Sorry, I read Ademoyega but all he said was a bunch of stuff! I find it funny if not disingenuous that you readily quoted Ademoyega who was recruited by Nzeogwu himself. You don't present "facts" of a case by reading only one source, especially a self-serving one! It's obvious you haven't thoroughly researched the Jan 1966 coup...I repeat, Nzeogwu was recruited by Anuforo in October 1965! Many sources seem to corroborate this, including the report of Police Special Branch which investigated the coup! Try harder.

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Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Naajjii: 10:09am On May 06, 2019
FortuneDeGreat:
Which table was turned? Who turned it and at what point, rule Nigeria from now till eternity your people won't be redeemed from their irreversible crested titles of THE POOREST and THE MOST ACADEMICALLY BACKWARD people in Nigeria grin grin grin
Look at you, who is complaining of loopsided in Nigerian structure and who is complaining of marginalization and also who is finding it rough to rule Nigeria?
Re: The Truth Of The Kano Riot Of 1953 by Giddy11513: 5:30pm On May 06, 2019
Alright. Here we go again.

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