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InyinyaAgbaOku:
Ghadaffi was pro his Libya.
Sometimes, the west feels that being pro you is anti them. Esp when being pro you involves you not accepting some of their harmful ideologies on your people .

Please ghadaffi was a dictator no different from abacha. The man would probably be alive today if he allowed democracy, he might have even installed his own people. Though there are some things I like that he did, but he could have saved himself stress if he just stepped down. Life is full of compromise you win where you can and nurse your loss when it comes or in the case of the british pretend it never happened.

first of,have u been to the far areas of the North and South there is so many lands that people hasn't been even touched at all,nigeria can accommodate more than 500 million with proper planning.what Nigeria needs is good leaders,Nigeria really has it can to be like China but our leaders are old myopic and a chip of the old block no new policies

leokid866:
Please ghadaffi was a dictator no different from abacha. The man would probably be alive today if he allowed democracy, he might have even installed his own people. Though there are some things I like that he did, but he could have saved himself stress if he just stepped down. Life is full of compromise you win where you can and nurse your loss when it comes or in the case of the british pretend it never happened.

Ghadaffi was a dictator, says an American media propaganda, the crap they used to incite some Libyans against him.
Ngwa, compare Libya of then and now and tell me whether lack of 'democracy'was the problem. With all the democracy they have now, Libya is a poo hole.
Ask people what Libya offered her citizens back in the days and now, you will see the difference.
Plus. Is it their business the type of government they chose to run? Is it America's business?

InyinyaAgbaOku:
Ghadaffi was a dictator, says an American media propaganda, the crap they used to incite some Libyans against him.
Ngwa, compare Libya of then and now and tell me whether lack of 'democracy'was the problem. With all the democracy they have now, Libya is a poo hole.
Ask people what Libya offered her citizens back in the days and now, you will see the difference.
Plus. Is it their business the type of government they chose to run? Is it America's business?

Their current state is as a fallout of the government they were running. Everything was centered around ghadaffi, with him gone everything fell out of place there was nothing for the people to fall on. True it's not a corcern of anybody what government they choose to run but in that scenario consideration of other governments and how they would react to your rule must be thought of. He ignored that truth. After abacha died another general could have continued and taken his place, but we transitioned to a democracy, do you see any foreign power storming our border or running propaganda against the current government? Nigeria is a poo country at the moment but we have trade running and relative peace....emphasis on the word relative. Meanwhile Libya is in current disarray with all if it's known warlords scorching their land striving to replace ghadaffi.

leokid866:
Please ghadaffi was a dictator no different from abacha. The man would probably be alive today if he allowed democracy, he might have even installed his own people. Though there are some things I like that he did, but he could have saved himself stress if he just stepped down. Life is full of compromise you win where you can and nurse your loss when it comes or in the case of the british pretend it never happened.

the reason why Gadaffi fell was because of his alinement with western powers..he wanted to be friends with them..that led to his downfall, when he was anti-west, they couldn't penetrate Libya.

why do you think democracy is the right form of government? in my opinion, democracy is flawed and cant work in a multi-ethnic society.

...we are a multi-ethnic society and we can see that democracy has failed us..it is not working by equality rather it gives advantage to the tribe with the highest number... in all the western country that democracy is being practiced..you will notice that have only one tribe, everything body thinks similarly...in countries with many tribes, democracy hardly works, it brings chaos and marginalisation

leokid866:
I get the imbalance problem. Still we need population control we need to find a way around it before we over-run ourselves. At least we should make abortions legal for starters.

i think people have been preaching that we will overrun over self if we continue to increase but we shouldn't also forget that as we grow, people also die out either from diseases, old age, war and others...the reality is if we are to curb our population growth then in the future we will have fewer people giving birth leading to an older age workforce just like what they have in japan..this can be a minus to our development..in the west what helped them to industrialize was high population growth meaning high workforce..what we need right now is proper planning and utilization of our high growth into productivity..china is doing that, that is why they are able to surpass Japan with an older workforce

lilwetdick:
i think people have been preaching that we will overrun over self if we continue to increase but we shouldn't also forget that as we grow, people also die out either from diseases, old age, war and others...the reality is if we are to curb our population growth then in the future we will have fewer people giving birth leading to an older age workforce just like what they have in japan..this can be a minus to our development..in the west what helped them to industrialize was high population growth meaning high workforce..what we need right now is proper planning and utilization of our high growth into productivity..china is doing that, that is why they are able to surpass Japan with an older workforce

I agree with you, but you should consider nigerias birth rate is currently triple it's mortality rate. And Nigeria is four times larger than japan in terms of land mass, I'm sure if Japan had our land mass their situation would be quite different, they might have gone the way of China in population size.

lilwetdick:
the reason why Gadaffi fell was because of his alinement with western powers..he wanted to be friends with them..that led to his downfall, when he was anti-west, they couldn't penetrate Libya.

why do you think democracy is the right form of government? in my opinion, democracy is flawed and cant work in a multi-ethnic society.

...we are a multi-ethnic society and we can see that democracy has failed us..it is not working by equality rather it gives advantage to the tribe with the highest number... in all the western country that democracy is being practiced..you will notice that have only one tribe, everything body thinks similarly...in countries with many tribes, democracy hardly works, it brings chaos and marginalisation

I agree with you on this but not many other forms of government works in a multi ethnic society either. China's communism is no better so let's not go there. I'm sure you wouldn't suggest a dictatorship. But I am open to any other suggestions if you have them.

leokid866:
I agree with you on this but not many other forms of government works in a multi ethnic society either. China's communism is no better so let's not go there. I'm sure you wouldn't suggest a dictatorship. But I am open to any other suggestions if you have them.

truth be told, i have not seen anytype of government that has worked well in a multi ethnic society other than dictatorship, monarchy and a single party system..the Chinese lives in a multi-ethnic society and I think the communist party has been able to put the country in unity.

if you look at past history in Nigeria..the system that has brought unity in Nigeria has been dictatorship..that is what has united the country..when democracy came..the Nigeria system turn into chaos and insecurity, dealing with a multiethnic society takes a strong hand and lot of purging..the Chinese way may not work best for us but a system that brings fear, unity and prosperity will work well for us and i think we might find that in a single party system or in dictatorship, you might not agree with me but I believe democracy has lost its purpose here in Nigeria.

leokid866:
I agree with you, but you should consider nigerias birth rate is currently triple it's mortality rate. And Nigeria is four times larger than japan in terms of land mass, I'm sure if Japan had our land mass their situation would be quite different, they might have gone the way of China in population size.

life expectancy in nigeria is 56 years..that is to say many people living in Nigeria might not reach 56 years, the infant mortality rate is 66.12 Per 1,000 Births, death per 1000 people in Nigeria is 11.94 Per 1,000, fertility rate is 5.62...if we put all these into calculation, i wonder where they got the idea that we are 180 or 200 million..with all those data above, our population will be less than 200 million.

japan is 126 million and has an aging population that is rapidly increasing.because of low birth rate of the present generation which means that the large population that has built Japan are already old..their children due to what their parent did are enjoying the fruits and thus not wanting to reproduce because they have improved services and are better educated..it shows the effect of the past generation large population on the improvement in the life quality of the present generation, i believe we need to utilize our large population, as a country to develops so do birth rate decreases...if we need to have low birth rate in the future..our large population need to be working now which will eventually lead to a better quality of life for our children...

lilwetdick:
truth be told, i have not seen anytype of government that has worked well in a multi ethnic society other than dictatorship, monarchy and a single party system..the Chinese lives in a multi-ethnic society and I think the communist party has been able to put the country in unity.

if you look at past history in Nigeria..the system that has brought unity in Nigeria has been dictatorship..that is what has united the country..when democracy came..the Nigeria system turn into chaos and insecurity, dealing with a multiethnic society takes a strong hand and lot of purging..the Chinese way may not work best for us but a system that brings fear, unity and prosperity will work well for us and i think we might find that in a single party system or in dictatorship, you might not agree with me but I believe democracy has lost its purpose here in Nigeria.

Okay.

lilwetdick:
life expectancy in nigeria is 56 years..that is to say many people living in Nigeria might not reach 56 years, the infant mortality rate is 66.12 Per 1,000 Births, death per 1000 people in Nigeria is 11.94 Per 1,000, fertility rate is 5.62...if we put all these into calculation, i wonder where they got the idea that we are 180 or 200 million..with all those data above, our population will be less than 200 million.

japan is 126 million and has an aging population that is rapidly increasing.because of low birth rate of the present generation which means that the large population that has built Japan are already old..their children due to what their parent did are enjoying the fruits and thus not wanting to reproduce because they have improved services and are better educated..it shows the effect of the past generation large population on the improvement in the life quality of the present generation, i believe we need to utilize our large population, as a country to develops so do birth rate decreases...if we need to have low birth rate in the future..our large population need to be working now which will eventually lead to a better quality of life for our children...

Okay. So where do we start? I'm talking in terms of agencies to handle such work. I'm asking genuinely. Im currently on a make nigeria better campaign of my own, issues like population are part of things I plan to effect. I do give credit to the national health board for their family planning campaign but I doubt it's effects in the north.

leokid866:
Their current state is as a fallout of the government they were running. Everything was centered around ghadaffi, with him gone everything fell out of place there was nothing for the people to fall on. True it's not a corcern of anybody what government they choose to run but in that scenario consideration of other governments and how they would react to your rule must be thought of. He ignored that truth. After abacha died another general could have continued and taken his place, but we transitioned to a democracy, do you see any foreign power storming our border or running propaganda against the current government? Nigeria is a poo country at the moment but we have trade running and relative peace....emphasis on the word relative. Meanwhile Libya is in current disarray with all if it's known warlords scorching their land striving to replace ghadaffi.

I disagree.
Browse the benefits of being a Libyan citizen under Ghadaffi and get back to me.
All that is gone now. The west implanted their own persons, and lighted a match to ignite and hence destroy the country.
Ghadaffi wasn't yielding to their demands and they started to deal with him. Nothing to fall back on cos their stooges are in power and the country was in internal war, even till now.

Hilary Clinton on his death said, We came, we saw, we conquered'.
Would any Libyan interfere with how America is run?

Esseite:
You think living on less than a dollar is feeding and control?...

Name one person in Nigeria you truly know lives on less than a dollar a day.

Just one, let us calculate his life for you.

nijabazaar:
Whatvmakes u think Nigeria or other African countries is a threat to a behemoth like the US.

Us is more concerned about China not African glorified villages

Besides its not like Nigeria is gonna developed to super power status in a decade to come

You are so naive. Do you realise that Nigeria is projected to become the 3RD most populous nation on earth after China and India by 2050?

That alone automatically places it in US sights. Leave aside all the other stuff, like its economy, socio-political situation etc. etc.

That population size alone virtually GUARANTEES that every major company and manufacturer on earth today has a NIGERIA PLAN going forward.

No business worth its salt ignores the world's third largest market. Nigeria will become progressively more powerful and pivotal on the continent. There is even a Nigerian cultural takeover of Africa and the black diaspora, plus the wider western world as we speak.

Nollywood has been our historical cultural ambassador, but now, our AFROBEATS is being blared in hitherto unreachable places, from the USA to UK, Germany, Brazil, Chile, Kenya, SA, Morocco, Dubai, Norway, Italy, Jamaica, Trinidad. Everywhere. Go on YouTube and read the comments. Clubs and radio stations across the world now are scrambling to play the latest tunes from Nigeria. Names like Davido, Tekno, Burna Boy, and Runtown have become household names across the world.

According to Price Waterhouse Coopers, “Nigeria is projected to be the third largest populated country in the world by 2050 with 399 million people. PwC projects that Nigeria could emerge the 14th largest economy in the world by 2050, with GDP in Market Exchange Rate (MER) terms at $3.3 trillion.

https://leadership.ng/2017/07/19/nigeria-emerge-14th-largest-economy-2050-pwc/

And you think the USA is not looking at all this? That means you don't know them.

InyinyaAgbaOku:
I disagree.
Browse the benefits of being a Libyan citizen under Ghadaffi and get back to me.
All that is gone now. The west implanted their own persons, and lighted a match to ignite and hence destroy the country.
Ghadaffi wasn't yielding to their demands and they started to deal with him. Nothing to fall back on cos their stooges are in power and the country was in internal war, even till now.

Hilary Clinton on his death said, We came, we saw, we conquered'.
Would any Libyan interfere with how America is run?

Don't get me wrong, I am not disagreeing with you as to the benefits of been a Libyan before and now, am only saying ghadaffi should have decentralized his powers.

Rossikk:
You are so naive. Do you realise that Nigeria is projected to become the 3RD most populous nation on earth after China and India by 2050?

That alone automatically places it in US sights. Leave aside all the other stuff, like its economy, socio-political situation etc. etc.

That population size alone virtually GUARANTEES that every major company and manufacturer on earth today has a NIGERIA PLAN going forward.

No business worth its salt ignores the world's third largest market. Nigeria will become progressively more powerful and pivotal on the continent. There is even a Nigerian cultural takeover of Africa and the black diaspora, plus the wider western world as we speak.

Nollywood has been our historical cultural ambassador, but now, our AFROBEATS is being blared in hitherto unreachable places, from the USA to UK, Germany, Brazil, Chile, Kenya, SA, Morocco, Dubai, Norway, Italy, Jamaica, Trinidad. Everywhere. Go on YouTube and read the comments. Clubs and radio stations across the world now are scrambling to play the latest tunes from Nigeria. Names like Davido, Tekno, Burna Boy, and Runtown have become household names across the world.

According to Price Waterhouse Coopers, “Nigeria is projected to be the third largest populated country in the world by 2050 with 399 million people. PwC projects that Nigeria could emerge the 14th largest economy in the world by 2050, with GDP in Market Exchange Rate (MER) terms at $3.3 trillion.

https://leadership.ng/2017/07/19/nigeria-emerge-14th-largest-economy-2050-pwc/

And you think the USA is not looking at all this? That means you don't know them.

You are still living in dreamland.

You forgot to note that we are not the only growing country. What happens to Ethiopia, Vietnam and Indonesia?

The population is well educated and still projected to skyrocket. What makes you think they will prefer Nigeria over Vietnam with cheap labour force and skillset.

Bros, our pop is never an asset and the US is never bothered about us. Heck, they are even more concerned with Venezuela and Iran. Don't suffer from any grand delusion that Nigeria will ever pose a threat to US. Do we even have Nuclear enrichment programme or do we even export Molybdenum? What do we have that is so rare to scare the US? What?

leokid866:
Don't get me wrong, I am not disagreeing with you as to the benefits of been a Libyan before and now, am only saying ghadaffi should have decentralized his powers.

The west should have left him alone, simple.

nijabazaar:
You are still living in dreamland.

You forgot to note that we are not the only growing country. What happens to Ethiopia, Vietnam and Indonesia?

The population is well educated and still projected to skyrocket. What makes you think they will prefer Nigeria over Vietnam with cheap labour force and skillset.

Bros, our pop is never an asset and the US is never bothered about us. Heck, they are even more concerned with Venezuela and Iran. Don't suffer from any grand delusion that Nigeria will ever pose a threat to US. Do we even have Nuclear enrichment programme or do we even export Molybdenum? What do we have that is so rare to scare the US? What?

when some of these guys from the north who want to continue their backward system of marrying four wives come up with theories to support their archaic lives, I just shake my head.
A group people people who are still struggling to produce pencil wants to triple their population without adequate plans.How do you feed an over bloated population?

lastmessenger:
when some of these guys from the north who want to continue their backward system of marrying four wives come up with theories to support their archaic lives, I just shake my head.
A group people people who are still struggling to produce pencil wants to triple their population without adequate plans. Who do you feed an over bloated population?

the thing tire me o!