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Image123:
Good to know it's easier to abstain. In that case, I'll do the easier thing, which the Bible also commands "Abstain from appearance of evil". I don't need careless scars. Even Jesus escaped from careless scars. Not one of His bones were broken even till death. The Bible does not tell me to show up for scars, i don't know where you are getting this morbid fascinations for pornographic scars from.

"²⁴Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one.
²⁵Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea."
- 2 Corinthians 11:24-25

"From now on, don't make any trouble for me!
After all, I carry the scars of Jesus on my body."
- Galatians 6:17

You sure enjoy exaggerations and blowing things out of proportions, where is the idea of morbid fascinations for pornographic scars coming from, huh? So person cant just make an innocent and observational comment anymore, without someone else taking it apart and hypercritically expressing an unfavourable opinion about it, hmm?

MiddleDimension:
please paste link shiwing where i mentioned grail etc

What realy is the point you're trying to make

Philipsevercool:
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Dear friend, I like your point of view but the truth is Christianity and Islam are religions. The real question here is what do you know will happen to you after you die. Eccl 11: 9 says just read it on your own.
During judgement, people eyes will be clearer when you are being judged by the righteous Judge Acts 17:31.
He has made a way of escape for you from going to hell but the choice is yours. Repent and accept Jesus into your life. He is the way to save you and help you to live a life that will count for heaven when you die.

Thanks but I'm not interested

donnie:
What realy is the point you're trying to make

and how does this mean i am propagating them? i only attended their public lecture because of my love for knowledge. i am an atheist who attended their lecture. this is because i am ooen minded unlike born agains

MuttleyLaff:
"²⁴Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one.
²⁵Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked. I spent a night and a day in the open sea."
- 2 Corinthians 11:24-25

"From now on, don't make any trouble for me!
After all, I carry the scars of Jesus on my body."
- Galatians 6:17

You sure enjoy exaggerations and blowing things out of proportions, where is the idea of morbid fascinations for pornographic scars coming from, huh? So person cant just make an innocent and observational comment anymore, without someone else taking it apart and hypercritically expressing an unfavourable opinion about it, hmm?

So MuttleyLaff, tell me sir. How do Paul's persecutions and imprisonments compare to watching pornographic TV shows? It's a simple non-hypercritical question.

Image123:
So MuttleyLaff, tell me sir. How do Paul's persecutions and imprisonments compare to watching pornographic TV shows? It's a simple non-hypercritical question.

You typed: The Bible does not tell me to show up for scars, i don't know...

So I showed you one or two examples about people getting scars. I can't remember when last I watched a TV show or program. I was commenting on temptation and not necessarily on some poxy TV show, whether pornographic or not. Please stop being a prude and behaving as if you don't do and enjoy doing the thing.

MuttleyLaff:
You typed: The Bible does not tell me to show up for scars, i don't know...

So I showed you one or two examples about people getting scars. I can't remember when last I watched a TV show or program. I was commenting on temptation and not necessarily on some poxy TV show, whether pornographic or not. Please stop being a prude and behaving as if you don't do and enjoy doing the thing.

Getting scars is different from showing up for scars by looking for temptation. Don't forget the trail. Paul suffered persecutions, imprisonment and the likes for standing up for Jesus, preaching the gospel, healing. The scars you referred to are not through this route but having to do with watching TV, trying not to be aroused, having close shaves with prostitutes. My oga, e no match. Sorry. What is the thing, because if i assume now, you will say that you can't remember mentioning the thing i assume. Lol. MuttleyLaff, game over jare. Next time, don't come and endorse garbage.

Image123:
Getting scars is different from showing up for scars by looking for temptation. Don't forget the trail. Paul suffered persecutions, imprisonment and the likes for standing up for Jesus, preaching the gospel, healing. The scars you referred to are not through this route but having to do with watching TV, trying not to be aroused, having close shaves with prostitutes. My oga, e no match. Sorry. What is the thing, because if i assume now, you will say that you can't remember mentioning the thing i assume. Lol. MuttleyLaff, game over jare. Next time, don't come and endorse garbage.

C'mon now Image123, I typed that temptation is everywhere you go and look, but so is God.

I also typed that the secret of using temptation, is turning it, to your advantage, and this, by not giving in to it and remaining unbeatable by it. I reiterated that, the worst kind of temptation are the ones we give in to, without getting anything substantial back in return, except for the shocking stark reality of the discovery of our frailty.

I then confirmed as you believe, that, it is easier to abstain, easier to avoid temptation than resist it. I agreed that, it is a good thing to control the access gates to our spirit beingness but then asked, if considered that life isn't about avoiding getting bruises, but collecting the scars to prove you showed up for it, hmm?

I had earlier on, referenced 1 Corinthians 10:13, stating that, God will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand, and when you are tempted, He will show you a way out so that you can endure and restrain yourself from doing or enjoying that tempting thing. This is exactly what transpired with Joseph and his escape or exit strategy. There always is an escape route, only some of us refuse to take it or are too weak

Image123:
The "Lord's prayer" : lead us not into temptation.
MuttleyLaff 's idea: we will look for temptation.

Eerrrrrrrrr, Eerrrrrrrrr, I'll stick to the Lord.

Remember what brought all these up, is when you typed the above quote. At which I replied at, saying:

"Nwanne Image123, God, doesnt not lead into temptation, what the Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:13 is saying, is, "do not let us fall into temptation". It's pretty easy to fall into temptation you know. Who no know this, no go know.

Embrace and stick to 1 Corinthians 10:13 above biko"

You rather believers be wrapped up in cotton buds, dont eat spicy or pepper foods etcetera, just mollycoddle them and dont let them be exposed to any form of temptation to resist or danger, hmm

Of course, if one is faint hearted, easily aroused or something, then fair dos, give TV programs like that a wide berth. The thing, since you asked for clarifications, is what lovers like enjoying together. I am not endorsing garbage, just saying garbage and treasure are there for the taking by those with backbones and who can handle them without getting burnt, butter nobi monkey's food.

MiddleDimension:
and how does this mean i am propagating them? i only attended their public lecture because of my love for knowledge. i am an atheist who attended their lecture. this is because i am ooen minded unlike born agains

If I had a mind of my own, I will open it. But , I have the mind of Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:16 ... But we have the mind of Christ.

Did I argue that you're not atheist?
Mbok, kpoņ me o.

We could keep going back and forth, and you know that.

MuttleyLaff:
C'mon now Image123, I typed that temptation is everywhere you go and look, but so is God.

Omnipresent temptation. Beautiful.

I also typed that the secret of using temptation, is turning it, to your advantage, and this, by not giving in to it and remaining unbeatable by it. I reiterated that, the worst kind of temptation are the ones we give in to, without getting anything substantial back in return, except for the shocking stark reality of the discovery of our frailty.

I then confirmed as you believe, that, it is easier to abstain, easier to avoid temptation than resist it. I agreed that, it is a good thing to control the access gates to our spirit beingness but then asked, if considered that life isn't about avoiding getting bruises, but collecting the scars to prove you showed up for it, hmm?

You're going emotional on me, it's okay oh.

I had earlier on, referenced 1 Corinthians 10:13, stating that, God will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand, and when you are tempted, He will show you a way out so that you can endure and restrain yourself from doing or enjoying that tempting thing. This is exactly what transpired with Joseph and his escape or exit strategy. There always is an escape route, only some of us refuse to take it or are too weak

Joseph though never went to sit in the woman's room kind of, then flee. That's the scenario being asked for here.

Remember what brought all these up, is when you typed the above quote. At which I replied at, saying:

"Nwanne Image123, God, doesnt not lead into temptation, what the Lord's prayer in Matthew 6:13 is saying, is, "do not let us fall into temptation". It's pretty easy to fall into temptation you know. Who no know this, no go know.

Embrace and stick to 1 Corinthians 10:13 above biko"

You rather believers be wrapped up in cotton buds, dont eat spicy or pepper foods etcetera, just mollycoddle them and dont let them be exposed to any form of temptation to resist or danger, hmm

No, what brought up all these was you and the other guy boldly telling people in a paraphrase there was nothing wrong with pornographic TV shows, and going against others that felt otherwise. And i don't intend to defend/prove this. You say temptation is omnipresent, but telling people to abstain from pornographic TV shows is not letting "them be exposed to any form of temptation to resist or danger". Temptation has finished if we don't watch or no? Don't bother answering. Or what, have the last say as it were.

Of course, if one is faint hearted, easily aroused or something, then fair dos, give TV programs like that a wide berth. The thing, since you asked for clarifications, is what lovers like enjoying together. I am not endorsing garbage, just saying garbage and treasure are there for the taking by those with backbones and who can handle them without getting burnt, butter nobi monkey's food.

Man is a weak vessel, so yes, the majority are what you call faint-hearted. The 'thing' is good and enjoyed within the right frame, which is the frame of marriage. The part i boldened/ in your quote is the most important. There is garbage there, the majority will take the garbage, the garbage will likely stick longer and be practiced more. The so called treasure is most likely nothing new, and what can be readily obtained in other ways. Bro, be good. You know i don't have strength for winding talks.

Image123:
We could keep going back and forth, and you know that.

Omnipresent temptation. Beautiful.

You're going emotional on me, it's okay oh.

Joseph though never went to sit in the woman's room kind of, then flee. That's the scenario being asked for here.

No, what brought up all these was you and the other guy boldly telling people in a paraphrase there was nothing wrong with pornographic TV shows, and going against others that felt otherwise. And i don't intend to defend/prove this. You say temptation is omnipresent, but telling people to abstain from pornographic TV shows is not letting "them be exposed to any form of temptation to resist or danger". Temptation has finished if we don't watch or no? Don't bother answering. Or what, have the last say as it were.

Man is a weak vessel, so yes, the majority are what you call faint-hearted. The 'thing' is good and enjoyed within the right frame, which is the frame of marriage. The part i boldened/ in your quote is the most important. There is garbage there, the majority will take the garbage, the garbage will likely stick longer and be practiced more. The so called treasure is most likely nothing new, and what can be readily obtained in other ways. Bro, be good. You know i don't have strength for winding talks.

Nawa ooo...pesin no fit follow una jest play again? Make I no come don enter one chance. You know me, so well, to trust that, I'll bring out the enviable genius in you now. I have nothing but max respect for my Image123.

Halopy:
I totally agree with you on this. Even in our Nollywood(Yoruba), Muslims are taking over, hardly can you watch a film that will not involve seeking spiritual help in an Alfa's place. And we Christians swallow all these calculated plans hook line and sinker, we would rather sit and apportion blames rather than strategically plan to evangelise in creative ways like creative christian entertainment contents. Even talk about the Christian movies out there, they need grace to present files that touches the heart full of holy spirit inspiration like old mount Zion films. We Christians we need to wake up. God bless.

And why should that be strange,are there not lot of Yoruba's whom are Muslims again

donnie:
If I had a mind of my own, I will open it. But , I have the mind of Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:16 ... But we have the mind of Christ.

Did I argue that you're not atheist?
Mbok, kpoņ me o.

The God Delusion---- Richard Dawkins

MiddleDimension:
my dear, please leave them alone, that's how his likes are, and there will always be his likes. you were once like him, now you are fairer in discussions. this has been achieved through your diacussion with atheists, agnostics and other secularists. you are ahead of alot of them. there would always be his likes who would be unfair in discussions.

i am glad that you can now see for yourself how difficult it is for us athiests to have discussions with some of you, believers. and i am also happy that you have made the slight shift i am ok with. of course you have not abandon your faith, i am DO NOT THINK YOU EVER WILL NOR AM I LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU LOSING IT. I CERTAINLY AM NOT INTERESTED IN YOU LOSING YOUR FAITH, but atleast discussions with you is fairer than it was then. you and @joagbaje are the best christians we have here on NL. @ubenedictus too is another one.

it is all about fundamentalism... I don't think it's about Christianity. People tend to defend useless structures and ideas they have been indoctrinated with. Sometimes they don't care to ask the critical question or reason about the issues.


Religious history is a long story of such people